Fantasy August vs Irene

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Yeah, in-character battle between them would be an extreme diff win for August.
Both had their own stupidities in their battle, but August was far more retarded.

No CIS = August stomps.

The thing here is, we saw him nullifying everything from Gildarts, so we know for a fact that August is very well capable of haxing Gildarts tiers.
Eileen didn't turn Erza into a mouse or do separation on her. So, I assume it can't be done on Erza tiers.
Disagree. Primarily because I don't think it's CiS, I simply don't think August was capable of doing much more, He's at the level of Gildarts+Cana, that's all. But say it was CiS, Eileen could still win. A couple dragon swipes and August is done. Enchantment is also the most bullshit magic in the manga. She'd be able to counter most of August's nonsense without a problem.

Yeah, that doesn't mean anything. His main hax working doesn't mean his side hax works, all hax works differently. We don't even know that he wasn't already using Cobra and Racer's hax in the fight to begin with. Does he have anything else that would be useful against Gildarts? Reflect maybe, but thats about it, useless against Eileen.
 

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Disagree. Primarily because I don't think it's CiS, I simply don't think August was capable of doing much more, He's at the level of Gildarts+Cana, that's all. But say it was CiS, Eileen could still win. A couple dragon swipes and August is done. Enchantment is also the most bullshit magic in the manga. She'd be able to counter most of August's nonsense without a problem.
Why would the most versatile mage in the series engage in mostly fist fight? Makes no sense.
Why did he use suicide spell, when Gildarts lost his ONLY means of damaging August? Makes no sense.
The entire fight was retarded.

Enchantment is BS, but August's is even more. He's basically all the BS magic combined into one person.
Whatever Eileen does, so can August. He can copy them and nullify. Copying a spell isn't really hax, it is just learning fast. Nullifying is hax.
Maybe you argue that "August can't nullify Eileen tier spells". Well, Gildarts hits harder than human Eileen and he nullified his spells. Even if MP argument comes into play, August has MP on the same level as Eileen.
Even if August can't directly nullify Eileen's enchantment using the nullify part of his copy magic, for the sake of argument, he can still counter them with his own enchantments that he copied from Eileen, considering that Wendy could counter Eileen's enchantments with enchantments.

I do agree that dragon Eileen has the attack power to put down August in maybe 3 hits.
But will she get those hits in? Combining meteor + speed magic + mind read will take August to a completely different class of speed/CQC.
And all August needs is a single charged attack, and dragon Eileen gets one shot.

Yeah, that doesn't mean anything. His main hax working doesn't mean his side hax works, all hax works differently. We don't even know that he wasn't already using Cobra and Racer's hax in the fight to begin with. Does he have anything else that would be useful against Gildarts? Reflect maybe, but thats about it, useless against Eileen.
Sure. Different hax works differently.
The thing is, we have seen refraction from Midnight working on Erza, who was in his tier back in OS arc. So, it does demonstrate that refraction can work against opponents of the same tier as the user.
August copied refraction, meaning that tools with potency at least on or below his tier are useless on him if he uses refraction.

We know he wasn't using mind read, or else he would've known what Gildarts was planning.
We know he wasn't using speed magic, because whenever speed magic is used by Racer, Mashima shows it as the typical "blitz" speed.
August was Gildarts tier in physical stats in his base.
We do however know August used meteor because of the meteor aura, but for a grand total of one time in the entire fight, and he managed to blitz Gildarts with it. I mean, if he choses to engage in fist fight, at least he should've used these three lmao. Like I said, complete CIS
 

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Why would the most versatile mage in the series engage in mostly fist fight? Makes no sense.
Why did he use suicide spell, when Gildarts lost his ONLY means of damaging August? Makes no sense.
The entire fight was retarded.

Enchantment is BS, but August's is even more. He's basically all the BS magic combined into one person.
Whatever Eileen does, so can August. He can copy them and nullify. Copying a spell isn't really hax, it is just learning fast. Nullifying is hax.
Maybe you argue that "August can't nullify Eileen tier spells". Well, Gildarts hits harder than human Eileen and he nullified his spells. Even if MP argument comes into play, August has MP on the same level as Eileen.
Even if August can't directly nullify Eileen's enchantment using the nullify part of his copy magic, for the sake of argument, he can still counter them with his own enchantments that he copied from Eileen, considering that Wendy could counter Eileen's enchantments with enchantments.

I do agree that dragon Eileen has the attack power to put down August in maybe 3 hits.
But will she get those hits in? Combining meteor + speed magic + mind read will take August to a completely different class of speed/CQC.
And all August needs is a single charged attack, and dragon Eileen gets one shot.



Sure. Different hax works differently.
The thing is, we have seen refraction from Midnight working on Erza, who was in his tier back in OS arc. So, it does demonstrate that refraction can work against opponents of the same tier as the user.
August copied refraction, meaning that tools with potency at least on or below his tier are useless on him if he uses refraction.

We know he wasn't using mind read, or else he would've known what Gildarts was planning.
We know he wasn't using speed magic, because whenever speed magic is used by Racer, Mashima shows it as the typical "blitz" speed.
August was Gildarts tier in physical stats in his base.
We do however know August used meteor because of the meteor aura, but for a grand total of one time in the entire fight, and he managed to blitz Gildarts with it. I mean, if he choses to engage in fist fight, at least he should've used these three lmao. Like I said, complete CIS
Simple, because Gildarts would crash every spell he'd throw.
Because Gildarts was too powerful. Even if he could no longer hurt August, does August know that? And even if he does, could he beat him before Acnologia arrives? Probably not given his performance.
The fight is retarded, but it is what it is, August was shit, not just because he was stupid, but also because he didn't hit that hard, wasn't that fast and wasn't that durable. He was simply overhyped, exactly like Eileen.

Sure, what Eileen does, so can August, but having the ability to do more doesn't mean you'll win a fight. Enchantment is basically all Eileen needs.
Who said anything about August not nullifying her spells? Of course he does, her spells simply don't matter in any offensive way. Her claws handle that.

So you say, but how useful is it really? It let him blitz Cobra and Racer, sure. But Gildarts was still more than a match for him in CQC.
And what's refraction going to do to Eileen? Basically nothing.

Fair on the mind read, not on the speed magic. Mashima uses those speed lines when the character is faster than another, not specifically for Racer's magic. Maybe August simply wasn't above Gildarts' speed by enough of a margin to warrant it. Meteor is also overhyped, him using it more wouldnt make a difference.
As for it being CIS, perhaps, but you could argue the same for most characters, especially Eileen, it's simply the way the manga functions. And I'm still not seeing any reason to believe August without CiS stomps Eileen. They were clearly portrayed as equals, it'd be high diff.
 

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Well mind sets for both characters are a case of pick your own poisons, but even then, if it is without in character stuff, it would still be considered a hard battle between the two.
 

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August would crush Irene's human form based on feats alone.

Her dragon form is another story. She can probably break his bones but he can also oneshot her with dragon slayer magic. He must possess those of Laxus or Cobra at least.

So this is tie to me.
 

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Irene wins. High diff in human form, and low diff in Dragon form.
 

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Irene wins. High diff in human form, and low diff in Dragon form.
And what feats Irene, especially human Irene, has that suggests she can beat August?
 

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I use to think it's a tie but maybe August edges it out. Dragon Eileen can fuck him up real bad tho. I'm also skeptical about August having DS magic
 

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Not the first time someone has a copy of Dragon Slayer Magic, Velveno with his Magic Drain.
 

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@WoWfan voted August :3c he's the only true s12+zeref fanboy the rest are just Eileen and brandish and dimaria simps
Gotta respect wowfan:toc
 

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@WoWfan voted August :3c he's the only true s12+zeref fanboy the rest are just Eileen and brandish fan.
Gotta respect wowfan:toc
It is a matter of actual feats, statements, scaling and showings. Nothing about being fans of bias. While the two are close to each other in power, August should edge out.
 

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It is a matter of actual feats, statements, scaling and showings. Nothing about being fans of bias.
I'm complementing you tho. Others are just fans because of the boobs you're the only true s12 zeref fanboy
 

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I'm complementing you tho. Others are just fans because of the boobs you're the only true s12 zeref fanboy
Again, i don’t take sides based on preference.
 

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Dragon Irene > August = Human Irene
 

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August > Dragon Irene > Human Irene
 

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I would say Red August = Dragon Irene > August = Irene.
 

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I would say August>=dragon Irene>human Irene. Dragon Irene can fuck august up because she's physically much more stronger than he is just by being a dragon
 

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It's pretty easy. It can go either way. Either Irene breaks his bones with her claws or August oneshots her with Melt.
 
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