And please provide an explanation of how and why August stomp? Because I don't see him beating Dragon Irene without dragon slaying magic which he never used in the series but he potentially can. However, we go by on-screen feats so Dragon Irene stomps August and August mid-diffs human Irene.
August was always recognized to be the leader and the strongest of the 12. Brandish was the only one who tried to draw parallels between August and Irene, but she's not a trustworthy source considering that her statements have been proven wrong repeatedly throughout the war.
And nothing stops August from copying and nullifying Irene's magic when she casts her spells. This includes any magic that she uses in her Dragon Form.
Not to menton, if she uses any Dragon Slaying Magic, August will just copy it and use it against her. That would be sufficient to revert her back to her human form considering that even the likes of Wendy + Erza could do it.
August has numerous spells in his arsenal that can damage Irene and eventually wear her out. On the contrary, all of Irene's spells are instantly nullified the moment that she casts them - since she does not specialize in Holder-type magic.
I beg to differ. Acnologia had no serious intentions to fight or kill her. If he did, she would've easily ended up like God Serena.
Acnologia was only "impressed" because he let her freely attack him without retaliation. He wanted to measure her strength, not compete against it. He knows Irene is fodder to him. Irene's life was spared only because Acnologia was not bloodlusted in the same way that he was when he oneshotted God Serena.
As for August, heknew that he was no match for Acnologia, which is why he did not intervene when God Serena was killed before his very eyes. He even stopped Jacob from fighting back because he knew that Acnologia would not take pity on them if they tried resisting.
August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself. Irene was stated by two unbias sources to be the same level as August in human form. Dragon form is canonically far more powerful than human form as she can access Master Enchant and that can only be used by Dragon level magic power which August doesn't have. Irene is more impressive by feats and statements. August couldn't get Acno to even look his way while Irene had his full attention and made him awestruck. Not only that, but Mavis was also baffled by the level of Irene's magic power even after sensing August's magic power.
D.Irene > H.Irene =~ August. Irene can counter August's copy magic by channeling enchantments through objects like her staff, the atmosphere, meteorites, or the earth itself. All things she has shown to do. August has no counter to her Dragon Scales and therefore has no way to hurt her let alone put her down. Nor does his stats even come close to dragon Irene as shown when a simple tap shattered Erza's bones while August failed to break a single bone in Gild's body. Erza buffed by Wendy >= Gildarts in raw stats. Irene also has far better hax between the two.
So yeah, I don't see how Irene doesn't beat him dragon form. I also see her beating him high diff in human form. Like even death couldn't stop her.
She can reincarnate herself or body hop into objects or people even if August managed to deal a fatal blow to her human form (she can also just switch back to dragon form to heal). She can also spread her consciousness into multiple things at once and have them fight for her. August on the other hand only has one life to beat Irene with and I doubt he could. Irene's power are far scarier and hax-ier than August was shown to be capable of handling.
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Irene also was never oneshot. Oneshot means she was beaten in one hit, but she wasn't and was the clear victor despite Erza's PoF being at full force. She never said she couldn't go back into dragon form either. She just consciously changed back to her human form bcs the battle was done. Also that same PoF Erza was doing stuff that even Gild was stated to not be capable of (aka swatting RoT Acno out of the sky) and destroying Deus Sema which scales far above Giga Gajeel who shits on all of FT's AP and DC feats (bar DF Natsu).
August was always recognized to be the leader and the strongest of the 12. Brandish was the only one who tried to draw parallels between August and Irene, but she's not a trustworthy source considering that her statements have been proven wrong repeatedly throughout the war.
And nothing stops August from copying and nullifying Irene's magic when she casts her spells. This includes any magic that she uses in her Dragon Form.
Not to menton, if she uses any Dragon Slaying Magic, August will just copy it and use it against her. That would be sufficient to revert her back to her human form considering that even the likes of Wendy + Erza could do it.
so pof does not exist in fairy tail. why should we not scale pof erza to irene (august tier) rather than irene to erza tier (laxus tier). when we have manga statement putting human irene and august around the same level
August has numerous spells in his arsenal that can damage Irene and eventually wear her out. On the contrary, all of Irene's spells are instantly nullified the moment that she casts them - since she does not specialize in Holder-type magic.
I beg to differ. Acnologia had no serious intentions to fight or kill her. If he did, she would've easily ended up like God Serena.
Acnologia was only "impressed" because he let her freely attack him without retaliation. He wanted to measure her strength, not compete against it. He knows Irene is fodder to him. Irene's life was spared only because Acnologia was not bloodlusted in the same way that he was when he oneshotted God Serena.
As for August, heknew that he was no match for Acnologia, which is why he did not intervene when God Serena was killed before his very eyes. He even stopped Jacob from fighting back because he knew that Acnologia would not take pity on them if they tried resisting.
Dolls and historia are literally not the same thing. How the hell can someone be this dumb. Neihart creates his historia from people's memories.
Dolls are like robots like Athena, god Serena was already dead and we're literally seeing his real body in the sequel his historia is very different from this, his historia is from neihart's memories.
You retard if dolls and historia are the same thing then how the fuck did neihart not use god Serena's real body.
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neihart historia brings back people that are already dead from your memories, they aren't really alive. doll god Serena is no different than the real god Serena. Holy fuck. Imagine thinking doll and historia are the same thing. You know Athena the white witch is a doll right .
Dolls can't even be defeated as long as Duke is still around but neihart's historia can be defeated just like bloodman and god Serena.
Dolls and historia are literally not the same thing. How the hell can someone be this dumb. Neihart creates his historia from people's memories.
Dolls are like robots like Athena, god Serena was already dead and we're literally seeing his real body in the sequel his historia is very different from this, his historia is from neihart's memories.
You retard if dolls and historia are the same thing then how the fuck did neihart not use god Serena's real body.
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neihart historia brings back people that are already dead from your memories, they aren't really alive. doll god Serena is no different than the real god Serena. Holy fuck. Imagine thinking doll and historia are the same thing. You know Athena the white witch is a doll right .
Dolls can't even be defeated as long as Duke is still around but neihart's historia can be defeated just like bloodman and god Serena.
basically you know nothing and just like running your tongue.
we know nothing of these dolls other than they are made by the duke. you are the one claiming/implying that they are above the original.
i am using historia because we cam compare them to the original. they are weaker than the original. and the dolls are just dead people reanimated (yes, Vernes is stronger than Nienhart), why would they be above the originals.
i will wait till mishma says they are stronger or weaker, dead bodies arent improving themselves. i will consider them exactly as they were before they died, till stated otherwise.
between you and me, i think it is clear who has the dumber position.
I never said they're above the original. They're more of less the same as the original. Historia is a memory doll god Serena is god Serena's real body but he's dead. It's like you're bringing someone back from the dead it's like Edo-tensei. This two are literally different. Doll god Serena is just like natsu. The real natsu died a long time ago now he's just a demon the same with god Serena he died but he is just now a doll. Doll god Serena has a better chance of being as strong as he was than historia god Serena, gildarts called historia god Serena a fly while Duke said that doll god Serena has high magic power but the reason he's not using him to power up Athena is because he's dead, which is true he's dead but this current god Serena is using his real body. Duke fixed god Serena's real body while neihart just conjured god Serena from his own memories he even clearly states that they're not as powerful as the original ones. Doll god Serena and natsu are the same thing, the real ones are dead the current ones are just reincarnates. Natsu is a demon who can use magic god Serena is a doll who can use magic.
Mashima is writing three Mangas he's not going to be spelling everything out for you. You think the guy has time or something to be doing every little details lmao.
Me having to explain this is so wild. Dead bodies don't improve yeah tell that to natsu who's dead but keeps improving
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Also the reason why I said doll god Serena improved is that he had a whole year to get stronger. Except mashima implies that he's still as strong as he was in Alvarez arc I'll assume that god Serena improved because I see no logical reasons why he'd just remain the same. Hell god Serena told gajeel he almost died lmao it's duke and Irene that told us that he actually died but Duke took his body and fixed it up. The only reason for me to assume that god Serena never improved is if mashima mentions the that duke just recently fixed god Serena if not I'm well within the right to assume that he improved
I never said they're above the original. They're more of less the same as the original. Historia is a memory doll god Serena is god Serena's real body but he's dead. It's like you're bringing someone back from the dead it's like Edo-tensei. This two are literally different. Doll god Serena is just like natsu. The real natsu died a long time ago now he's just a demon the same with god Serena he died but he is just now a doll. Doll god Serena has a better chance of being as strong as he was than historia god Serena, gildarts called historia god Serena a fly while Duke said that doll god Serena has high magic power but the reason he's not using him to power up Athena is because he's dead, which is true he's dead but this current god Serena is using his real body. Duke fixed god Serena's real body while neihart just conjured god Serena from his own memories he even clearly states that they're not as powerful as the original ones. Doll god Serena and natsu are the same thing, the real ones are dead the current ones are just reincarnates. Natsu is a demon who can use magic god Serena is a doll who can use magic.
Mashima is writing three Mangas he's not going to be spelling everything out for you. You think the guy has time or something to be doing every little details lmao.
Me having to explain this is so wild. Dead bodies don't improve yeah tell that to natsu who's dead but keeps improving
this manga, with all the nakama sh!t is for ten years, so yes, he has to spell everything out
You kept on saying, Serena is not an alverzec member, he is gold owl member, when ever people brought up serena power level, that is why it looks like you implied that serena is somehow above alverzec serena.
and no natsu and serena are not the same. bring natsu back cursed zeref by that god. that curse is even dangerous for Vernes. nothing like this is mentioned for god serena. he is more like historia than natsu
i brought up historia because i kinda guessed that serena will not improve, just like historia dont improve.
I did, and his response is incorrect. His assertion that "August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself" is actually false.
August is unanimously agreed upon as the strongest Spriggan, both by his allies and his enemies. There was never any doubt about his position as the top Spriggan (both in terms of combat and in leadership).
The only person who has ever brought Irene into the equation was Brandish. And like I said in my previous post, Brandish's statements have been proven wrong repeatedly throughout the whole arc. Regardless of whether she's trying to be biased or not, she's just simply not a credible source due to the amount of times that her statements have been contradicted.
There's nothing to suggest that he can't copy Irene's magic. Canonically, he has successfully copied every magic spell that was not Holder-Type Magic.
And Dragon Slaying Magic is no different from all other forms of Caster-Type Magic. It doesn't require the use of an external source/object; thus, it is well within the reach of August's copying ability according to the criteria outlined in the manga.
so pof does not exist in fairy tail. why should we not scale pof erza to irene (august tier) rather than irene to erza tier (laxus tier). when we have manga statement putting human irene and august around the same level
That's not how it works. You don't scale a character to the "presumed" strongest threshold. If Irene struggled against Erza & Wendy, you have to scale her to their level. That's because Irene, Erza, and Wendy are the only variables in that match.
August wasn't even a part of their fight, so why should anything be scaled to him?
He's an external variable, so it would be highly inaccurate to use him as any sort of benchmark or comparison.
Idk what god tiers you are talking about, but she's only impressed people who had no intention of retaliating back.
August has never lost a fight (even against the strongest protagonist aka Gildartz). His worst feat was tieing a match, and that was when he casted Ars Magia against everybody (part of the plot).
Even by portrayal, Mashima has made it painfully obvious who is the superior one.
I did, and his response is incorrect. His assertion that "August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself" is actually false.
August is unanimously agreed upon as the strongest Spriggan, both by his allies and his enemies. There was never any doubt about his position as the top Spriggan (both in terms of combat and in leadership).
The only person who has ever brought Irene into the equation was Brandish. And like I said in my previous post, Brandish's statements have been proven wrong repeatedly throughout the whole arc. Regardless of whether she's trying to be biased or not, she's just simply not a credible source due to the amount of times that her statements have been contradicted.
And Dragon Slaying Magic is no different from all other forms of Caster-Type Magic. It doesn't require the use of an external source/object; thus, it is well within the reach of August's copying ability according to the criteria outlined in the manga.
that is not true either. in original, no one could teach dragon slayer magic. you needed dragon involved in the process. the creator of dragon slayer tells us clearly how dragon slayers are made.
That's not how it works. You don't scale a character to the "presumed" strongest threshold. If Irene struggled against Erza & Wendy, you have to scale her to their level. That's because Irene, Erza, and Wendy are the only variables in that match.
August wasn't even a part of their fight, so why should anything be scaled to him?
He's an external variable, so it would be highly inaccurate to use him as any sort of benchmark or comparison.
so you basically you dont have any spells. this is not your fault. august doesnt have good feats. he hasnt even shown to keep his copied magic. he has no offensive feat or speed feat or hell even durablity feat. its all just hax
going by this, i can also give irene feat and say she rips august magic right out him.
Idk what god tiers you are talking about, but she's only impressed people who had no intention of retaliating back.
August has never lost a fight (even against the strongest protagonist aka Gildartz). His worst feat was tieing a match, and that was when he casted Ars Magia against everybody (part of the plot).
Even by portrayal, Mashima has made it painfully obvious who is the superior one.
yes it is painfully obvious. selene couldnt even react to nerfed irene magic. aconologia himself was interested in fighting her, and ended up being banished till irene killed herself. irene never lost either and the one who took her to extreme ended up blasting rot aconlogia out of the sky
no matter how you look at it. irene was the impressive one. only thing impressive about august is him fighting gildarts. that is it
I did, and his response is incorrect. His assertion that "August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself" is actually false.
August is unanimously agreed upon as the strongest Spriggan, both by his allies and his enemies. There was never any doubt about his position as the top Spriggan (both in terms of combat and in leadership).
The only person who has ever brought Irene into the equation was Brandish. And like I said in my previous post, Brandish's statements have been proven wrong repeatedly throughout the whole arc. Regardless of whether she's trying to be biased or not, she's just simply not a credible source due to the amount of times that her statements have been contradicted.
Brandish knows all Spriggans and Makarov not. The master was invited here. Brandish was part of the elite group for years.
So I give Brandish credits when she said Makarov was mistaken.
Makarov didn't know shit about the s12. He didn't even know their emperor was Zeref after an entire year reconnaissance in Alvarez nor did he know about the existence of Irene.
How the hell did you ignore Brandish outright saying Makarov was wrong to think that August was unanimously the strongest.
Brandish actually knows the s12 and her knowledge on them far eclipses Makarov who barely even knew 9 of their names and had to guess even Invel's magic from his epithet lmao. Makarov is not a reliable source as he himself stated in chapter 452.
Brandish's assessment of the S12 >>> Makarov's assessment of the S6.
And Brandish could favor August as she has link with him and not with Eileen. Just like she said she will convince August to retire him from the war but not close to Eileen to speak wih..
Even with favoritism, Brandish was honest enough saying that Eileen is his only rival, not his second.
I never said that Makarov saw Irene... I was replying to your original post where you told me to look at Jko's post, which stated that "August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself".
I'm simply pointing out that the above statement is flat out wrong because there are legit panels that prove otherwise.
And Mavis is arguably even less trustworthy than Brandish... so there's absolutely no way that she's a reliable source.
Sure, she can turn August into a rat, who will just turn himself back into his original body a second later.
In case you didn't realize, August has the ability to nullify a magic spell even after it has been casted on him. Just like when Gildartz cubed him to pieces, but he was still able to reform his body back to its original state.
So, back to the original question: Would you agree that August can just cube Irene to pieces?
that is not true either. in original, no one could teach dragon slayer magic. you needed dragon involved in the process. the creator of dragon slayer tells us clearly how dragon slayers are made.
No, you only need to be taught DS magic if you want to freely use it and learn new spells/abilities.
That is entirely different from simply copyingone spell, which is what August does.
The manga has explicitly stated that Holder-Type Magic is the only weakness to August's Copying ability. For all other magic types, August has had a 100% success rate at copying them.
Your example is basically the typical way that people powerscale characters.
Unfortunately, I have no interest in powerscaling and actually find that method to be highly inaccurate. Instead, I usually directly compare characters who are participating in the same fight.
so you basically you dont have any spells. this is not your fault. august doesnt have good feats. he hasnt even shown to keep his copied magic. he has no offensive feat or speed feat or hell even durablity feat. its all just hax
going by this, i can also give irene feat and say she rips august magic right out him.
yes it is painfully obvious. selene couldnt even react to nerfed irene magic. aconologia himself was interested in fighting her, and ended up being banished till irene killed herself. irene never lost either and the one who took her to extreme ended up blasting rot aconlogia out of the sky
no matter how you look at it. irene was the impressive one. only thing impressive about august is him fighting gildarts. that is it
I disagree. Acnologia was never interested in fighting Irene. If he was, she would've ended up like God Serena.
Acnologia was just simply observing Irene's abilities, not competing against them.
And Erza only "moved" RoT Acnologia. There was no damage dealt.
That's like saying "Erza beats Irene cuz she could blast RoT Acnologia out of the sky while Irene could only push Human Acnologia a few yards back with her enchanted blast". See the flaw in the logic there?
Brandish knows all Spriggans and Makarov not. The master was invited here. Brandish was part of the elite group for years.
So I give Brandish credits when she said Makarov was mistaken.
Brandish is an extremely untrustworthy source. Her statements were proven wrong repeatedly throughout the Alvarez Arc and there are even actual canon feats that have outright disproved or contradicted her claims.
Makarov's words were simply used to respond to sharkai's and Jko's claims that "August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself", which is just plain false given that August's own enemies have also regarded him to be the strongest Spriggan.
Irene and August share the same tier but August is slightly stronger. His copy magic is also very difficult to counter and he has better durability feats than Irene. Irene's enchantments cannot work on August. The only way Irene wins is if she turns into a dragon and doesn't play games like she did with Erza. And I still give the benefit of the doubt to August because he has DS magic via God Serena + he can destroy Deus Sema if a half dead Erza can do it.
Can't he use Crash to destroy deus Sema? Only advantage that Irene has is her dragon form and that too is debatable if August can copy and apply DS magic.
I never said that Makarov saw Irene... I was replying to your original post where you told me to look at Jko's post, which stated that "August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself".
I'm simply pointing out that the above statement is flat out wrong because there are legit panels that prove otherwise.
And Mavis is arguably even less trustworthy than Brandish... so there's absolutely no way that she's a reliable source.
Sure, she can turn August into a rat, who will just turn himself back into his original body a second later.
In case you didn't realize, August has the ability to nullify a magic spell even after it has been casted on him. Just like when Gildartz cubed him to pieces, but he was still able to reform his body back to its original state.
So, back to the original question: Would you agree that August can just cube Irene to pieces?
between august and irene, irene is most likely to fix any damage, a spell does on her than august.
if you agree that irene has capablity to turn august into a rat then you must you also agree that she can rip his magic out. meaning no more nullifications of spells.
august specialty is his coping ability and his huge mp. that is why he seems more of an expert in his copied magic, aka reforming himself after getting cubed. this wont work with irene. at best he can perform as good as human irene, because that his mp limit.
cube human irene, yes he can. but she will fix herself pretty fast. dragon irene, nope, that is not a ds magic
Your example is basically the typical way that people powerscale characters.
Unfortunately, I have no interest in powerscaling and actually find that method to be highly inaccurate. Instead, I usually directly compare characters who are participating in the same fight.
No, you only need to be taught DS magic if you want to freely use it and learn new spells/abilities.
That is entirely different from simply copyingone spell, which is what August does.
The manga has explicitly stated that Holder-Type Magic is the only weakness to August's Copying ability. For all other magic types, August has had a 100% success rate at copying them.
you have no proof of this.
August has never copied ds magic
no one else knew that august wasnt expert in all magic
brandish and everyone thought he learnt all his magic but the truth was he was copy cat, he just copies his opponents magic with more mp.
and we know ds magic is not normal magic. hades taught god slayer magic, but even he couldnt teach dragon slaying magic. you need a dragon in the process. this has been explicitly stated in the manga, and backed many times (and is actually important part of the story, unlike entre august character)
Rufus and august has never shown to copy or use ds magic. they might make a cheap imitation but most likely will not effect dragons.
That's like saying "Erza beats Irene cuz she could blast RoT Acnologia out of the sky while Irene could only push Human Acnologia a few yards back with her enchanted blast". See the flaw in the logic there?
nope.
fairy tail is sadly a nakama theme manga. nothing is more stronger than pof
this is the last arc. mishma going over board with stuffs is expected.
end of series pof erza was just that strong. stronger than august. even if that was just for a moment.
how can you compare august and irene, they never fought each other?
is the entire above discussion just based on august and marakarov statement that he is the strongest?
what feats august has that are above irene feats. all he is a one trick pony.
August vs gildarts and cana
and
August vs Jellal gang
he survived them only because of that one trick. he is like Dimaria. that is all what he has
WTF is this? If I call this person a clown they'll say I'm rude. Look at this statement, it's looks like a statement made from someone who has reading issues. Bro you have serious comprehension issues.
Can't he use Crash to destroy deus Sema? Only advantage that Irene has is her dragon form and that too is debatable if August can copy and apply DS magic.
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yeah tell that to natsu who's dead but keeps improving 
