Fantasy August vs Irene

[sharkai]

WTF is this? If I call this person a clown they'll say I'm rude. Look at this statement, it's looks like a statement made from someone who has reading issues. Bro you have serious comprehension issues.

a better way would have been just post the panel where irene did her magic on selene. everyone would be able to see whether you are correct about the clown thing or you are the clown


my problem is i have been here for a long time. you can see very old vs thread. i am generally more correct than wrong.

 

[WoWfan]

a better way would have been just post the panel where irene did her magic on selene. everyone would be able to see whether you are correct about the clown thing or you are the clown


my problem is i have been here for a long time. you can see very old vs thread. i am generally more correct than wrong.

Just throwing it out there, that there is also how Enchantments do not work or have less affect against an opposing individual with a greater magic power.

 

[Mimi0207]

I want a feat from overrated Irene to say she is stronger than August.

She lost to Erza and Wendy only her fans want to deny that. Don’t talk me about the PIS Acnologia fight Acno wasn’t even fighting her.

 

[WoWfan]

I want a feat from overrated Irene to say she is stronger than August.

She lost to Erza and Wendy only her fans want to deny that. Don’t talk me about the PIS Acnologia fight Acno wasn’t even fighting her.

Lost to Erza & Wendy? After all the power ups the duo got and Irene still stood?

 

[sharkai]

I want a feat from overrated Irene to say she is stronger than August.

She lost to Erza and Wendy only her fans want to deny that. Don’t talk me about the PIS Acnologia fight Acno wasn’t even fighting her.

that means Irene lost to two of the worst plot devices in fairy tail (add natsu and they would have taken aconlogia with their plot armors).
what about August, who lost to gildarts and whats her name . and he was technically immune to gildarts magic

atleast irene has some sweet feats, some awesome hype and mother of all dragon slayers (i think even acnologia asked if she was his mother) thing going on. unlike august who basically either hypes himself or has someone who knows very little hype him

 

[Darklord#10]

i am generally more correct than wrong.

Erza turning into a dragon, you said that
Kyoka being stronger than mard geer
You said that mashima doesn't know that Erza is faster than suzaku
You said that erza was stronger than bluenote
You said kirin ended up in the hospital after go fighting Misaki
You said anime canon are not canon
You said that natsu doesn't use flames of emotion
You said the reason why igneel is stronger than Irene is because Irene is not that important
You also said that, the god that turned to zeref is stronger than god seed aldoron
You said that lyon can destroy jella's sema because erza can destroy Irene's dues sema
You keep saying Erza dropped rot acnologia from the sky, as if the rot power up increases someone's mass
Now you're saying that selene couldn't react to nerfed Irene, when selene herself was already injured, secondly selene and Eileen were friends and having a conversation, thirdly I can just say well Irene couldn't react to Wendy's enchantment and she couldn't tank a sword hit from Erza who had all her bones broken
I'm not the one who said POF Erza can hit as hard as August and Irene
Doll god Serena and historia god Serena are the same

Yeah this are very good takes. You and @MyaHeart35 are the same species maybe both of you share the same brain I don't know

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I want a feat from overrated Irene to say she is stronger than August.

She lost to Erza and Wendy only her fans want to deny that. Don’t talk me about the PIS Acnologia fight Acno wasn’t even fighting her.

They're just clowns, don't debate them. It's waste of effort. You're debating people who can't power scale and don't even know how to. You shouldn't take someone who says that "selene can't react to nerfed Irene enchantment seriously".

 

[sharkai]

Erza turning into a dragon, you said that
Kyoka being stronger than mard geer
You said that mashima doesn't know that Erza is faster than suzaku
You said that erza was stronger than bluenote
You said kirin ended up in the hospital after go fighting Misaki
You said anime canon are not canon
You said that natsu doesn't use flames of emotion
You said the reason why igneel is stronger than Irene is because Irene is not that important
You also said that, the god that turned to zeref is stronger than god seed aldoron
You said that lyon can destroy jella's sema because erza can destroy Irene's dues sema
You keep saying Erza dropped rot acnologia from the sky, as if the rot power up increases someone's mass
Now you're saying that selene couldn't react to nerfed Irene, when selene herself was already injured, secondly selene and Eileen were friends and having a conversation, thirdly I can just say well Irene couldn't react to Wendy's enchantment and she couldn't tank a sword hit from Erza who had all her bones broken
I'm not the one who said POF Erza can hit as hard as August and Irene
Doll god Serena and historia god Serena are the same

Yeah this are very good takes. You and @MyaHeart35 are the same species maybe both of you share the same brain I don't know

you shouldnt display your mental handicaps mate

many of these statements were just meant to prove a point, nothing more.

like the one i used with you that doll serena most likely didnt improve just like historia Serena

 

[Darklord#10]

many of these statements were just meant to prove a point, nothing more.

Yeah I'm sure it was

 

[WoWfan]

Erza turning into a dragon, you said that
Kyoka being stronger than mard geer
You said that mashima doesn't know that Erza is faster than suzaku
You said that erza was stronger than bluenote
You said kirin ended up in the hospital after go fighting Misaki
You said anime canon are not canon
You said that natsu doesn't use flames of emotion
You said the reason why igneel is stronger than Irene is because Irene is not that important
You also said that, the god that turned to zeref is stronger than god seed aldoron
You said that lyon can destroy jella's sema because erza can destroy Irene's dues sema
You keep saying Erza dropped rot acnologia from the sky, as if the rot power up increases someone's mass
Now you're saying that selene couldn't react to nerfed Irene, when selene herself was already injured, secondly selene and Eileen were friends and having a conversation, thirdly I can just say well Irene couldn't react to Wendy's enchantment and she couldn't tank a sword hit from Erza who had all her bones broken
I'm not the one who said POF Erza can hit as hard as August and Irene
Doll god Serena and historia god Serena are the same

Yeah this are very good takes. You and @MyaHeart35 are the same species maybe both of you share the same brain I don't know

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They're just clowns, don't debate them. It's waste of effort. You're debating people who can't power scale and don't even know how to. You shouldn't take someone who says that "selene can't react to nerfed Irene enchantment seriously".

At least we provide evidence over just name calling.

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you shouldnt display your mental handicaps mate

many of these statements were just meant to prove a point, nothing more.

like the one i used with you that doll serena most likely didnt improve just like historia Serena

Don’t engage him further, he just goes name calling.

 

[Nemispelled]

kind agree with your original point about "August was never stated to be the strongest by anyone but himself".

but still you cant cherry pick here. statement saying august is the strongest arent coming from any reliable source either.

Cherry pick? I don't remember any reliable source calling Irene the "strongest Spriggan" either.

If you ask me, Mashima made it painfully obvious that August was the "strongest Spriggan". Just take a look at their performances. August went toe-to-toe with Gildartz while Irene struggled against Erza + Wendy.

There's no doubt in my mind that August was widely regarded as "the strongest Spriggan" while Irene was called "the strongest female Spriggan".

between august and irene, irene is most likely to fix any damage, a spell does on her than august.

if you agree that irene has capablity to turn august into a rat then you must you also agree that she can rip his magic out. meaning no more nullifications of spells.

august specialty is his coping ability and his huge mp. that is why he seems more of an expert in his copied magic, aka reforming himself after getting cubed. this wont work with irene. at best he can perform as good as human irene, because that his mp limit.

cube human irene, yes he can. but she will fix herself pretty fast. dragon irene, nope, that is not a ds magic

I completely disagree with your statement. The basis of August's magic is literally to nullify any spell casted on him other than Holder-Type magic. He is far more likely to fix any damage done to him than what Irene is capable of.

And no, Irene will not be able to rip out August's magic.

Irene was only able to do it to Mavis because Invel casted his Ice Slave spell on Mavis, which incapacitated her. And Irene said it herself - it takes time for her Separation Enchantment technique to work.

Spoiler: Irene admits that Separation Enchantment takes time to perform

Spoiler: Irene receiving help from Invel's Ice Slave while casting Separation Enchantment

Against August, Irene will have neither of these 2 advantages. She won't have Invel to incapacitate August and she won't have time to rip August's magic out because he'll be constantly attacking her from the get-go.

Besides, Irene's Separation Enchantment is not Holder-Type magic, so August would still be able to copy and nullify that spell.

Sorry, but no matter how you look at it, Irene isn't ripping anything away from August. It's going to be quite the opposite actually.

fair

then you can only compare two characters. you cant compare irene and august. because they never faught.

Lol, this is a fantasy battle for a reason. You can use their performances in the manga to judge the likely outcome of this fight. And it is highly in favor of August.

you have no proof of this.
August has never copied ds magic

no one else knew that august wasnt expert in all magic

brandish and everyone thought he learnt all his magic but the truth was he was copy cat, he just copies his opponents magic with more mp.

and we know ds magic is not normal magic. hades taught god slayer magic, but even he couldnt teach dragon slaying magic. you need a dragon in the process. this has been explicitly stated in the manga, and backed many times (and is actually important part of the story, unlike entre august character)

Rufus and august has never shown to copy or use ds magic. they might make a cheap imitation but most likely will not effect dragons.

You don't have any proof of this either.

And my proof is directly from the manga itself - it was made explicitly clear that the only weakness to August's Copying Magic is Holder-Type magic.

DS magic is Caster-Type magic; therefore, August should have no problems copying and nullifying it.

And Hades doesn't have copy magic. He teaches magic, which is entirely different from copying a single spell.

not if he doesnt have magic afterwards

Lol, August will definitely have magic afterwards. Just look at my above response at why Irene's Separation Enchantment will fail against August.

false statement. aconlogia clearly was interested and there is a statement and his expression to back it

Sorry, but your statement is the false one.

Acnologia was interested in seeing her magic.

He was never interested in fighting back, otherwise, she would've ended up like God Serena.

because it was not ds magic
nowhere in the manga was her feat discredited. only in the fan world people try to dehype it.

You do realize that DS magic has been used against Acnologia before, right?

Dragon Acnologia has been hit with plenty of DS magic from the dragon slayers... and guess what? It had no effect.

Erza moving Acnologia is irrelevant. Anybody can do that.

Damaging Dragon Acnologia, on the other hand, is a different story.

nope.
fairy tail is sadly a nakama theme manga. nothing is more stronger than pof
this is the last arc. mishma going over board with stuffs is expected.

end of series pof erza was just that strong. stronger than august. even if that was just for a moment.



how can you compare august and irene, they never fought each other?
is the entire above discussion just based on august and marakarov statement that he is the strongest?
what feats august has that are above irene feats. all he is a one trick pony.
August vs gildarts and cana
and
August vs Jellal gang
he survived them only because of that one trick. he is like Dimaria. that is all what he has

Erza was not stronger than August... not even for a moment.

Her PoF could "move" Acnologia, but there was absolutely no damage dealt. And damage is an indicator of strength.


I can compare August and Irene by looking at their performances during the series. And August's was clearly superior.

Makarov's and Brandish's statements about the "strongest Spriggan" is quite irrelevant here. It was only brought up because Jko made a false statement.

August's feats and performances were far better than what Irene ever showed.

 

[sharkai]

@Nemispelled
Please answer this first

how can you compare august and irene, they never fought each other?
is the entire above discussion just based on august and marakarov statement that he is the strongest?
what feats august has that are above irene feats. all he is a one trick pony.
August vs gildarts and cana
and
August vs Jellal gang
he survived them only because of that one trick. he is like Dimaria. that is all what he has

then i will respond to your other post. because i believe this will give a better idea where you stand

 

[Nemispelled]

@Nemispelled
Please answer this first



then i will respond to your other post. because i believe this will give a better idea where you stand

I think I've always been pretty clear on where I stand on this match-up. You can look at my posts from 2016, look at my vote on the thread's poll, or just read my previous statements.

As for your question, I did answer it. I even quoted it in my last post. Here was my answer:

I can compare August and Irene by looking at their performances during the series. And August's was clearly superior.

Makarov's and Brandish's statements about the "strongest Spriggan" is quite irrelevant here. It was only brought up because Jko made a false statement.

August's feats and performances were far better than what Irene ever showed.

 

[WoWfan]

Cherry pick? I don't remember any reliable source calling Irene the "strongest Spriggan" either.

If you ask me, Mashima made it painfully obvious that August was the "strongest Spriggan". Just take a look at their performances. August went toe-to-toe with Gildartz while Irene struggled against Erza + Wendy.

There's no doubt in my mind that August was widely regarded as "the strongest Spriggan" while Irene was called "the strongest female Spriggan".





I completely disagree with your statement. The basis of August's magic is literally to nullify any spell casted on him other than Holder-Type magic. He is far more likely to fix any damage done to him than what Irene is capable of.

And no, Irene will not be able to rip out August's magic.

Irene was only able to do it to Mavis because Invel casted his Ice Slave spell on Mavis, which incapacitated her. And Irene said it herself - it takes time for her Separation Enchantment technique to work.

Spoiler: Irene admits that Separation Enchantment takes time to perform

Spoiler: Irene receiving help from Invel's Ice Slave while casting Separation Enchantment

Against August, Irene will have neither of these 2 advantages. She won't have Invel to incapacitate August and she won't have time to rip August's magic out because he'll be constantly attacking her from the get-go.

Besides, Irene's Separation Enchantment is not Holder-Type magic, so August would still be able to copy and nullify that spell.

Sorry, but no matter how you look at it, Irene isn't ripping anything away from August. It's going to be quite the opposite actually.





Lol, this is a fantasy battle for a reason. You can use their performances in the manga to judge the likely outcome of this fight. And it is highly in favor of August.





You don't have any proof of this either.

And my proof is directly from the manga itself - it was made explicitly clear that the only weakness to August's Copying Magic is Holder-Type magic.

DS magic is Caster-Type magic; therefore, August should have no problems copying and nullifying it.

And Hades doesn't have copy magic. He teaches magic, which is entirely different from copying a single spell.





Lol, August will definitely have magic afterwards. Just look at my above response at why Irene's Separation Enchantment will fail against August.





Sorry, but your statement is the false one.

Acnologia was interested in seeing her magic.

He was never interested in fighting back, otherwise, she would've ended up like God Serena.





You do realize that DS magic has been used against Acnologia before, right?

Dragon Acnologia has been hit with plenty of DS magic from the dragon slayers... and guess what? It had no effect.

Erza moving Acnologia is irrelevant. Anybody can do that.

Damaging Dragon Acnologia, on the other hand, is a different story.





Erza was not stronger than August... not even for a moment.

Her PoF could "move" Acnologia, but there was absolutely no damage dealt. And damage is an indicator of strength.


I can compare August and Irene by looking at their performances during the series. And August's was clearly superior.

Makarov's and Brandish's statements about the "strongest Spriggan" is quite irrelevant here. It was only brought up because Jko made a false statement.

August's feats and performances were far better than what Irene ever showed.

What matters is circumstances, personal and esoteric factors, not just physical measurements, as there was more going with Era getting power ups and all that intentionally and unintentionally from either side.

 

[sharkai]

I think I've always been pretty clear on where I stand on this match-up. You can look at my posts from 2016, look at my vote on the thread's poll, or just read my previous statements.

As for your question, I did answer it. I even quoted it in my last post. Here was my answer:

erm
i asked
how can you compare august and irene, they never fought each other?
is the entire above discussion just based on august and marakarov statement that he is the strongest?
what feats august has that are above irene feats. all he is a one trick pony.
August vs gildarts and cana
and
August vs Jellal gang
he survived them only because of that one trick. he is like Dimaria. that is all what he has

you replied
I can compare August and Irene by looking at their performances during the series. And August's was clearly superior.

Makarov's and Brandish's statements about the "strongest Spriggan" is quite irrelevant here. It was only brought up because Jko made a false statement.

August's feats and performances were far better than what Irene ever showed.

How do you find August performance to be superior?


so basically you believe august performance to be superior that is why you think he is stronger than irene, it has absolutely nothing to do with any statements?

August's feats and performances were far better than what Irene ever showed.
Whats feats? could you list them
So you think barely surviving a gildarts (who cant use his magic) is better than taking out erza and wendy? how weak do you think erza is?

 

[Nemispelled]

What matters is circumstances, personal and esoteric factors, not just physical measurements, as there was more going with Era getting power ups and all that intentionally and unintentionally from either side.

I never judge a battle based off of only physical measurements. That would be the definition of power-ranking, which I have no interest in.

And Erza wasn't the reason why Irene under-performed in their battle. Irene underestimated her opponents and was countered multiple times by Wendy. Throughout the entire battle, she kept repeating the same mistakes and was unable to gain the upper hand. That shows a huge lack of skill in battle, which she cannot afford to have against a wizard like August, who fodderized Jellal + Oracion Seis and evenly matched Gildartz.

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erm
i asked
how can you compare august and irene, they never fought each other?
is the entire above discussion just based on august and marakarov statement that he is the strongest?
what feats august has that are above irene feats. all he is a one trick pony.
August vs gildarts and cana
and
August vs Jellal gang
he survived them only because of that one trick. he is like Dimaria. that is all what he has

you replied
I can compare August and Irene by looking at their performances during the series. And August's was clearly superior.

Makarov's and Brandish's statements about the "strongest Spriggan" is quite irrelevant here. It was only brought up because Jko made a false statement.

August's feats and performances were far better than what Irene ever showed.

How do you find August performance to be superior?


so basically you believe august performance to be superior that is why you think he is stronger than irene, it has absolutely nothing to do with any statements?

August's feats and performances were far better than what Irene ever showed.
Whats feats? could you list them
So you think barely surviving a gildarts (who cant use his magic) is better than taking out erza and wendy? how weak do you think erza is?

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at... August's performance was superior in the manga because he competed against stronger opponents and did not make dumb mistakes like Irene did in her battle.

If you look at the two characters objectively, August's magic is far more difficult to counter.

I don't know why you keep bringing up vague "statements" considering that I haven't even seen a credible source throughout this entire discussion.



As for August's feats, I've made it clear multiple times that he can copy and nullify any spell that is not Holder-Type Magic. That goes for any attack that he has already copied in the manga, including spells casted by Gildartz, Jellal, and Oracion Seis.

On the other hand, I haven't seen a reasonable feat from Irene that is capable of overcoming August's Copy Magic.

And actually, let me correct you really quick. Gildartz could use his magic. It just so happens that August was able to copy and nullify it, which is exactly what he would do against Irene.

And I think it's quite obvious that fodderizing Jellal + OS and fighting on par with Gildartz is a lot better than struggling against Erza and Wendy...

 

[sharkai]

I never judge a battle based off of only physical measurements. That would be the definition of power-ranking, which I have no interest in.

And Erza wasn't the reason why Irene under-performed in their battle. Irene underestimated her opponents and was countered multiple times by Wendy. Throughout the entire battle, she kept repeating the same mistakes and was unable to gain the upper hand. That shows a huge lack of skill in battle, which she cannot afford to have against a wizard like August, who fodderized Jellal + Oracion Seis and evenly matched Gildartz.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to get at... August's performance was superior in the manga because he competed against stronger opponents and did not make dumb mistakes like Irene did in her battle.

If you look at the two characters objectively, August's magic is far more difficult to counter.

I don't know why you keep bringing up vague "statements" considering that I haven't even seen a credible source throughout this entire discussion.



As for August's feats, I've made it clear multiple times that he can copy and nullify any spell that is not Holder-Type Magic. That goes for any attack that he has already copied in the manga, including spells casted by Gildartz, Jellal, and Oracion Seis.

On the other hand, I haven't seen a reasonable feat from Irene that is capable of overcoming August's Copy Magic.

And actually, let me correct you really quick. Gildartz could use his magic. It just so happens that August was able to copy and nullify it, which is exactly what he would do against Irene.

And I think it's quite obvious that fodderizing Jellal + OS and fighting on par with Gildartz is a lot better than struggling against Erza and Wendy...

Ok I see two things
1) You think August magic is superior
2) you think his vs jellal + cs and gildarts shows he is above irene who only has vs erza and wendy

Fair

Point 2 is the most easy
Who do you think will win
Dragon irene vs Gildarts + Cana + jellal + CS (without cobra) + jura + hybrion + Wolfhein

Point 1
Do you think having ability to copy and nullify magic will allow someone to beat others of their own tier? Because August never fought anyone in his tier

Do you think mishma believes copy cats like rufus and August are superior to dragon slayers who also have ability to go dragon force and beyond

 

[WoWfan]

I never judge a battle based off of only physical measurements. That would be the definition of power-ranking, which I have no interest in.

And Erza wasn't the reason why Irene under-performed in their battle. Irene underestimated her opponents and was countered multiple times by Wendy. Throughout the entire battle, she kept repeating the same mistakes and was unable to gain the upper hand. That shows a huge lack of skill in battle, which she cannot afford to have against a wizard like August, who fodderized Jellal + Oracion Seis and evenly matched Gildartz.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to get at... August's performance was superior in the manga because he competed against stronger opponents and did not make dumb mistakes like Irene did in her battle.

If you look at the two characters objectively, August's magic is far more difficult to counter.

I don't know why you keep bringing up vague "statements" considering that I haven't even seen a credible source throughout this entire discussion.



As for August's feats, I've made it clear multiple times that he can copy and nullify any spell that is not Holder-Type Magic. That goes for any attack that he has already copied in the manga, including spells casted by Gildartz, Jellal, and Oracion Seis.

On the other hand, I haven't seen a reasonable feat from Irene that is capable of overcoming August's Copy Magic.

And actually, let me correct you really quick. Gildartz could use his magic. It just so happens that August was able to copy and nullify it, which is exactly what he would do against Irene.

And I think it's quite obvious that fodderizing Jellal + OS and fighting on par with Gildartz is a lot better than struggling against Erza and Wendy...

Yes, Irene was playing with her enemies in the beginning, but by the time she got serious it was already more difficult with Wendy’s intervention in Irene’s body and she still technically won in the end with her standing and both of them on the ground. Irene has more experience than August in years and who she fought such as the Dragons.

 

[Nemispelled]

Point 2 is the most easy
Who do you think will win
Dragon irene vs Gildarts + Cana + jellal + CS (without cobra) + jura + hybrion + Wolfhein

Without a DS on Gildartz's team, Dragon Irene will likely be the winner. This is mainly due to the fact that it is extremely difficult to deal damage to a fully transformed dragon without DS magic.

Point 1
Do you think having ability to copy and nullify magic will allow someone to beat others of their own tier? Because August never fought anyone in his tier

Do you think mishma believes copy cats like rufus and August are superior to dragon slayers who also have ability to go dragon force and beyond

Having the ability to copy & nullify magic gives a person tremendous advantages in a battle. Ultimately, it comes down to skill and performances, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you nullify your opponent's magic, they will barely have any way of dealing significant damage. Not only that, but if you copy their magic, you basically inherit all the properties of that spell.

Having Copy Magic by itself doesn't automatically make you superior to a dragon slayer, but it offers major advantages if you have the right amount of skill and power. Especially since, in this case, Wendy's DS magic alone was enough to revert Irene from her dragon form.

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Yes, Irene was playing with her enemies in the beginning, but by the time she got serious it was already more difficult with Wendy’s intervention in Irene’s body and she still technically won in the end with her standing and both of them on the ground. Irene has more experience than August in years and who she fought such as the Dragons.

Irene only had difficulty winning because Wendy kept countering her enchantments and outclassing her in terms of tactics/maneuvers. It was equally hard for Wendy to fight as it was for Irene.

And even if Irene was still standing at the end, her condition was nowhere near being in good shape. You can just compare her final appearance against Wendy + Erza to August's final appearance against Jellal & Gildartz and see the obvious difference.

Having more experience doesn't necessarily equate to being superior. Many people have surpassed Makarov, who is arguably one of the most extremely knowledgeable and experienced wizard in the FT guild.

 

[WoWfan]

Without a DS on Gildartz's team, Dragon Irene will likely be the winner. This is mainly due to the fact that it is extremely difficult to deal damage to a fully transformed dragon without DS magic.




Having the ability to copy & nullify magic gives a person tremendous advantages in a battle. Ultimately, it comes down to skill and performances, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you nullify your opponent's magic, they will barely have any way of dealing significant damage. Not only that, but if you copy their magic, you basically inherit all the properties of that spell.

Having Copy Magic by itself doesn't automatically make you superior to a dragon slayer, but it offers major advantages if you have the right amount of skill and power. Especially since, in this case, Wendy's DS magic alone was enough to revert Irene from her dragon form.

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Irene only had difficulty winning because Wendy kept countering her enchantments and outclassing her in terms of tactics/maneuvers. It was equally hard for Wendy to fight as it was for Irene.

And even if Irene was still standing at the end, her condition was nowhere near being in good shape. You can just compare her final appearance against Wendy + Erza to August's final appearance against Jellal & Gildartz and see the obvious difference.

Having more experience doesn't necessarily equate to being superior. Many people have surpassed Makarov, who is arguably one of the most extremely knowledgeable and experienced wizard in the FT guild.

Wendy could only counter when Irene was not serious or when she had Irene’s body which had more power than her own body, really it is only underestimating her young age, didn’t expect her to know such spells. That is because of all of Erza’s power ups and such, something that she had from Irene, herself and Wendy. remember that Erza before could tank the combined blasts of not only the strongest wizards in FT and that of Tenrou and became even stronger since then. But with Makarov, he has become weakened in his old age which made him not at his prime.

 

[sharkai]

Without a DS on Gildartz's team, Dragon Irene will likely be the winner. This is mainly due to the fact that it is extremely difficult to deal damage to a fully transformed dragon without DS magic.

agreed. We can basically say, it is kinda like an advantage irene has. she isnt stronger than the other team,
but her powers would allow her to win.

That is why August beat Jellal + CS and survived Gildarts.

this isnt performance, this is just an advantage August had.

So, do you agree, now. that August vs Jellal + CS and Gildarts does not mean better performance? it basically because of advantage he had.

which means you basically only have one point. you believe his magic is superior to irene ds magic.

Having the ability to copy & nullify magic gives a person tremendous advantages in a battle. Ultimately, it comes down to skill and performances, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you nullify your opponent's magic, they will barely have any way of dealing significant damage. Not only that, but if you copy their magic, you basically inherit all the properties of that spell.

Having Copy Magic by itself doesn't automatically make you superior to a dragon slayer, but it offers major advantages if you have the right amount of skill and power. Especially since, in this case, Wendy's DS magic alone was enough to revert Irene from her dragon form.

sure

may i ask what do you mean by


Wendy's DS magic alone was enough to revert Irene from her dragon form.

Are you implying that if dragon irene gives wendy a chance, she can one shot irene dragon form?

i also have another question.
earlier, you said, you believe that Irene can turn August into a rat, but he will nullify it. but in the recent revived thread " Gidarts Clive vs Spriggan " you seems to believe gildarts can even take out dragon irene. May i ask how does Rat Gildarts handle irene? unless you dont believe irene can turn Gildarts and August into a rat.

here is your old post

Gildartz's crash spell allows him to turn his opponent into blocks or miniature versions of themselves.

So far, that crash spell has worked on every opponent, up to date. Even the strongest Spriggan.

He successfully turned Natsu and August into blocks.. that means he would have no problem doing it to Irene as well.


And once Irene is reduced to mere blocks or miniature sized versions, Gildartz can practically stomp on her body or use all the "Haja-Kensei Zetten" he wants. By that point, Irene would have already lost.

And like I said from the beginning, Irene's dragon transformation is a slow process.

She would first have to transform into a semi-dragon humanoid before turning into a full-fledged dragon, which gives Gildartz enough time to use his crash spell on her.

Gildartz's movement speed and attack speed is far greater than Irene's since he was even able to outspeed August and turn him into blocks.


Unless Irene has a way of copying and canceling a magic like August, I don't see her winning. It's almost an insta-win once Gildartz crashes her body to pieces.

you also seems to think august is faster than irene. is gildarts faster than erza, laxus and jellal? and if so, how do you know this?



Now lets talk about August magic
what does the manga shows.
He faces mages well below him, like jellal and gildarts. he copies their magic, and use their own magic with greater mp back at them.
he doesnt seems to remember old magic he copied.


and do we know any limit to his coping ability, like can he copy ds magic
say
natsu vs august happens.
can august copy natsu magic and all modes? like lfd, fire dragon king and dragon force? would august also dragonize? would august be able to eat fire