Final August vs Irene

[EmptySoul]

How do you know that Brandish only meant human Irene? Plus if we are going by statements, then Hiro confirmed that August is the strongest of the Spriggan 12 in the beginning of chapter 525. So
August> Human and Dragon Irene
Thats all there is to it

How do u know Brandish didnt mean Human Irene?
I doubt Irene would bother imforming someone as insignificant as Brandish abt it and even if she did know she wouldve told FT abt it,not even Acno sniffed Irene out (no offense @Brandish )
I believe that Zeref was probs the only one who knew of it (since hes the one who turned her back) and i doubt Irene even went dragon form often as she hated it

Also Saying August > Human AND Dragon Irene without even DSM is pure fanfiction

 

[Seraph]

Yup.


Add to that she has shown the ability to use Fire Breath.Whatever the reasons maybe she can use Fire Magic,so naturally she should be immune or atleast resistant to Melt.


And if she knows Fire DS Magic,then Irene will be powered by Melt.

Well i wouldn't put it Past Irene to posses Fire DS Magic in the End she created the Magic itself.

Yeah she has shown Fire Breath when she blasted the Dragnov Kingdom if i recall that correctly.

Well as a Dragon she is not really affected by anything thrown against her left out DS Magic itself of course,i mean before we knew of Acnologia being the Magic Dragon in Tartaros he was not really affected by Igneel's Fire Breath either.
Although now that we know why that doesn't make much sense but still i wanted to point it out again.

 

[Brandish μ]

I doubt Irene would bother imforming someone as insignificant as Brandish abt it and if even if she did know she wouldve told FT abt it,not even Acno sniffed Irene out (no offense @Brandish )

I'm triggered beyond belief rn

Agree though, she detested her dragon form so much, don't think anyone apart from Zeref knew. Maybe August as well since he was born with knowledge

 

[Invel > Zeref]

How do u know Brandish didnt mean Human Irene?
I doubt Irene would bother imforming someone as insignificant as Brandish abt it and even if she did know she wouldve told FT abt it,not even Acno sniffed Irene out (no offense @Brandish )
I believe that Zeref was probs the only one who knew of it (since hes the one who turned her back) and i doubt Irene even went dragon form often as she hated it

Also Saying August > Human AND Dragon Irene without even DSM is pure fanfiction

All we know is that Brandish hyped them up as pure equals. There is no sufficient evidence for any other assumption. My main point was that if you want to use Brandish's quote then you also have to use Hiro's quote at the beginning of chapter 525 that says August is the strongest of the Spriggan 12.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

My nakama, you are Ice Devil Slayer so you'll be Gray, and I'll be Natsu. We'll fight and I'll always have my fans telling you I win.
Ice Flame of Savage Emotions >> Super Saiyan 3 Acnologia
And yeah, we agree on August winning for like, the 400 time now

Yeah together we can beat anyone, we're the best team..fire and ice vs everyone
MonkeyIceTeam is going to rekt everything..And we all know here that august wins..
Ps : Monkey is the coolest guy ever

 

[Orgastthemage]

Great final! It's so refreshing seeing two non-ishgarian(Irene is loyal to Alvarez after all and so is August in spite of their connections to Ishgar) mages in the finals of our tournament!


I'm bothered by the argument of dragon Irene being plainly stronger than August and August being an equal to human Irene.

If we are going with what was stated, then August is an equal to Irene. Just Irene. No mention of human or dragon. However, we can argue that Brandish didn't know of Irene's dragon form.

Then we try to recall and inspect what both characters stated.

If we are going by NARRATIVE portrayal, then August has been hinted to be superior to Irene. Hinted to by both parties, I believe.

With Irene stating herself to be the strongest female amongst the twelve while she was battling Erza and Wendy.

August stated himself to be the strongest MAGE amongst the twelve.

Portrayal, storywise, also hints at August being stronger. In a shounen manga, stronger antagonists are typically reserved for later stages. August was the last spriggan standing for a reason. He was the most potent.

You could doubt his words as to being strongest, but that would betray the character he was written to be. Critical and acknowledging.

If we go by feats then both were pretty impressive but were written out quite sloppily by Hiro. August performed better though and I take that as him being more potent as a character to have been defeated through the same means other characters were defeated in. In a way, he was too strong a character to be defeated the conventional way (beaten to a pulp), this alluding to him being the superior among all spriggans.

This is the best direct comparison I can come up with considering assuming the limits and capacities of both mages (heavily slept on in the manga, both of them ) would be pretty inaccurate.


My VOTE goes to August.

 

[EmptySoul]

All we know is that Brandish hyped them up as pure equals. There is no sufficient evidence for any other assumption. My main point was that if you want to use Brandish's quote then you also have to use Hiro's quote at the beginning of chapter 525 that says August is the strongest of the Spriggan 12.

Well,technically yes, August is the strongest human/mage but u cant put Irene with those since Irene isnt exactly human :\

Anyways no matter what u say,August can NOT beat Dragon Irene even if he was a stronger human without DSM so this is a pointless Argument
Dragon Irene still wins :/

 

[inactive lurker account]

Irene as a dragon presumably has better physical stats than August although she in turn would be weaker against dragon slayer magic, but one big problem we have is that we really don't know how much more damage August can take before being incapacitated, given that he abruptly finished himself off with a suicide spell. So it hinges on our assumptions and speculations on August's stat boosts as a result of being a child of Mavis ans Zeref.

I want to ask: if Irene tries to physically take August out in her dragon form, in what ways would she be able to corner the king of magic in order for her to deliver the decisive blows? I mean, it's not as if he'd just stand in place and endure those claws...

Interestingly, assuming that enchantment is classifiable as either caster or holder magic, Irene can exploit a loophole by using her staff or even her gloves to channel her enchantments, forcing August to counter with his arsenal of spells. In my super-optimized view, Irene has an enchantment response for every magic category that August knows, and August has a corresponding counter spell for every enchanting gimmick Irene uses, so seeing them go all out and use all the magic tricks that they know would have been incredible, to say the least. If the battle becomes a protracted magecraft contest, then whoever has more magic power reserves would gain the upper hand in the long run, assuming they counter each other flawlessly. We also don't know if the magic power August uses to cast a spell of a particular quality is equal to the magic power Irene expends to generate an enchantment similar in form and quality, but I'll assume parity for this match-up. Note that I'm generously assuming that August can use dragon slayer magic, and even then Irene should have enchantment counters for that

Now another way their match can proceed is if both decide to engage in some mixed melee and magical combat, given that both seem to be capable martial artists in their own right.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Well,technically yes, August is the strongest human/mage but u cant put Irene with those since Irene isnt exactly human :\

Anyways no matter what u say,August can NOT beat Dragon Irene even if he was a stronger human without DSM so this is a pointless Argument
Dragon Irene still wins :/

The quote in the beginning of chapter 525 calls August "the strongest of the spriggan 12" not the strongest human member of the spriggan 12. Until someone shows me a page proving otherwise, the idea that only dragon slayer magic can damage Dragons is a huge assumption based on the fact that Tenrou Fairy Tail and GMG Jura, Kagura, and Lyon were unable to damage dragons. Those dragon feats are irrelevant given the huge change in power of the characters since those arcs. Plus August can just use meteor and shrink himself (via Brandish's magic which he witnessed) to go inside Irene and destroy her scaleless insides.

 

[Orgastthemage]

I take it as we can't keep assuming certain scenarios to play out between these to due to the inaccuracies.

I mean Irene's dragon form doesn't write out the possibility of August winning that easily. August has his "Great knowledge" that makes him very prodigious. He could easily turn her human, meteor in, Stab her with staff. Done.

However, Irene surely has countermeasure by means of enchantment. We won't get anywhere that way.

That's why the safest route is storywise portrayal as they have been best compared there by no other than thenselves. There August is the superior.

 

[Orgastthemage]

I like that Jellal wank

when Rogue and Sting manage to hurt or avoid Acnologia, I wonder what will people say then

anyway, I vote Irene because she is a dragon and dragons are always above humans.

if August knows DS magic then he MIGHT win but he also needs to surpass Erza' Nakama which is impossible.

also, he is a Dragneel and you know my opinion on Dragneels bar Zeref.

well, Zeref is now trash sadly.

Irene mid diff.

Dude, he beat Nasu though, hahaha.

 

[Enima]

Guys, before you say Irene lost to wendy and Erza. Before fighting them Irene

• changed the shape of an entire continent
• enchanted about 1 million soldiers
• nearly extracted fairy heart, which was supposed to be unlimited magic.

So she was obviously tired. Universe one is probably the second most MP consuming spell after eternal flare. And she didn't lose at the end, she committed suicide. Are we saying August lost to Gildarts since he did the same thing.

I don't think DS magic is the only magic that can hurt dragons but it's probably much easier to hurt a dragon using DS magic. If fighting a Dragon using DS magic is like cutting a tree with a chainsaw then fighting a Dragon without using DS magic is like cutting a tree using a small knife.

Copying DS magic isn't really an option here since Irene doesn't need to use magic. She can Transform into a dragon and beat August by pure physical strength.

 

[inactive lurker account]

The sad thing is that the potential of both characters or character templates is barely explored, so there's much room for competing interpretations and extrapolations.

In any case this power level AND popularity tournament boils down in the last instance to whether one favors the allure of a dragon enchantress, or the aura of a master copy magician...

 

[EmptySoul]

The quote in the beginning of chapter 525 calls August "the strongest of the spriggan 12" not the strongest human member of the spriggan 12. Until someone shows me a page proving otherwise, the idea that only dragon slayer magic can damage Dragons is a huge assumption based on the fact that Tenrou Fairy Tail and GMG Jura, Kagura, and Lyon were unable to damage dragons. Those dragon feats are irrelevant given the huge change in power of the characters since those arcs. Plus August can just use meteor and shrink himself (via Brandish's magic which he witnessed) to go inside Irene and destroy her scaleless insides.

U do know the beginning/ending texts are written by the editor to add some hype? :/

 

[Orgastthemage]

Guys, before you say Irene lost to wendy and Erza. Before fighting them Irene

• changed the shape of an entire continent
• enchanted about 1 million soldiers
• nearly extracted fairy heart, which was supposed to be unlimited magic.

So she was obviously tired. Universe one is probably the second most MP consuming spell after eternal flare. And she didn't lose at the end, she committed suicide. Are we saying August lost to Gildarts since he did the same thing.

I don't think DS magic is the only magic that can hurt dragons but it's probably much easier to hurt a dragon using DS magic. If fighting a Dragon using DS magic is like cutting a tree with a chainsaw then fighting a Dragon without using DS magic is like cutting a tree using a small knife.

Copying DS magic isn't really an option here since Irene doesn't need to use magic. She can Transform into a dragon and beat August by pure physical strength.

Who's to say August wouldn't change her back, meteor, and stab her immediately? He has his "knowledge" after all.

 

[Enima]

Who's to say August wouldn't change her back, meteor, and stab her immediately? He has his "knowledge" after all.

August can do that? How?

 

[Invel > Zeref]

U do know the beginning/ending texts are written by the editor to add some hype? :/

I'm fine with leaving quotes out of the discussion but I still think the editor of this manga knows more about power levels than Brandish who thought that Neinhart was a threat to Natsu. But I stand by everything else I said.

 

[Reebi]

Irene, she was a master swordwoman so if she could enchant a high powered sword. Even if August copies that, her skills could beat him. Or she can turn into a dragon, which I don't think August has mastered.

 

[EmptySoul]

Who's to say August wouldn't change her back, meteor, and stab her immediately? He has his "knowledge" after all.

And she would just stand there while all of that happens?
Very realistic :/

And how would he even be able to change her back to human form,cause im pretty sure hes NEVER used that b4 and never copied it b4 since there are no dragons in this era unless he copied Zeref doing it to Irene and we all know he wasnt there

Stab her?
Only reason Irene died from that stab wound while Erza survived multiple stabs was cause it was a DS Enchanted sword which again he doesnt have

 

[inactive lurker account]

I hope we're not supposing that a match-up between these two incredibly powerful and versatile competitors would only end up in one outcome, given that theoretically there's so much that they can do.

I also want to ask, so how do we account for the unknown nature of August's magic, that is said to be neither light nor dark, and that allowed him to figure out who his parents are?