Final August vs Irene

[Doughboy]

I would bet money everyone from the Spriggan 12 knew Irene was a dragon/dragon slayer. No one knew that August was Zervis' love child though. Irene was always classified as August's female counterpart. While August is stronger in terms of magical power, Irene isn't a scrub and is the only one who can stand against him. They're the top two in Alvarez. Only Zeref is the only other person who can take August in the series besides dragons and shit.

 

[Holt]

My vote goes to August. Erza was able to attack and revert Irene from dragon to human after she had access to DS magic via Wendy's enchantment. August is a on a different caliber to Erza (or frankly pretty much anyone). August>Human Irene. Dragon Irene would have given her the edge, but if attacking her successfully with a powerful enough DS attack is able to revert her to human form, then even August would be able to do this, because he already has access to DS magic. In addition, it is also possible to use enchantment to revert Irene like Zeref did. Something I'm pretty sure August can replicate. In other words, I believe August has what it takes to revert Irene when she's goes dragon, and in human form, he is superior to her.

 

[BluePegasus]

Maybe read a little ahead...

POF Erza w/enchanted stats and a DS sword + Wendy a Dragon Slayer who has achieved DF couldn't take her down. She had too catch sentimental feelings and suicide because they weren't close to taking her down yet a mage with zero DS magic is supposed to take her down?

Tell me when August can stand over the Queen of fudging plot force then we can talk. POF Erza has won every battle but this one that says how powerful dragons as even POF Erza can't even come close to beating one even with a DS sword.

Couldn't take her down? Erza fucking ended her dragon form because of one, single slash of a normal sword enchanted with a bit of Dragon Slayer Magic from the weakest Dragon Slayer out there. You are the one stating that her dragon form is > August, well good luck with explaining that.

 

[Ice Hunter]

He stated himself to know all of magic(unlikely but he certainly has an immense arsenal). He is Zeref's son and was stated to losses knowledge that made him a magic prodigy much like his parents. Ex. His regaining of memories that a child would not be able to do.

He is revered as a genius by his spriggan teammates. I say no reason as to why the magic king wouldn't be able to accomplish this, especially when he himself stated to be the strongest of the twelve.

I'm not giving him feats he doesn't have, I'm just supplying a very likely possibility that the magic king most likely possesses the ability to change her back.

Right... but knowing all magic doesn't mean August can use it... like Zeref know DS magic but he can't use it...
the advantage August has here is the knowledge of all magic, with his knowledge of Dragon Slayer Magic i think he can push Irene to a nearly dead state, but when Irene turn Into Dragon the question would be how long August can resist Irene attack, even with his knowledge if he hit by powerfull hand swing of Dragon, he would just end up like Erza, You know right Irene's Dragon hand is just too powerfull... her Dragon hand killed his husband and almost killed her daughter.

And i remember Belserion says to Irene that even if Irene bring one batalyon to join the war, their power is still in no comparison with a lone dragon... that showing us how powerfull the "real dragon is" but there is one existence that the power surpass even the "real dragon" it was the "dargon slayer". And Irene is a Dragon Slayer who turn into Dragon just like Acnologia. She can also get power up when she eat the same element attack as she possesed. So for Dragon Irene to kill August is just a matter of time...

Spoiler

IRENE WIN...

 

[Jko]

August overcame his PiS up until his pointless suicide. He's a superior character to Irene.

Literally all he said "Why did his Majesty not love his son" when he was actually focused on. Irene actually push foreword the war (rather than walk to the guild), her backstory was wonderful, she had conflict as she loved and hated her child, she had a variety of spells, her character twist of being the mother of DS was hype, and she gave us context of the Dragon War 400 years ago. How was August a better character when he saying the same crap over and over despite knowing the answer to his own question?

Irene was a fleshed out character while August was a one dimensional villain who only monologued one crappy line, and had Daddy and Mommy issues that could've been resolved if he told Zeref. He didn't overcome PIS as he died from a suicide attack gone wrong.

 

[Vici]

Just passing by to Vote for August

 

[Jko]

Couldn't take her down? Erza fucking ended her dragon form because of one, single slash of a normal sword enchanted with a bit of Dragon Slayer Magic from the weakest Dragon Slayer out there. You are the one stating that her dragon form is > August, well good luck with explaining that.

Dragon Form is her true form. She reverted bcs she wanted too. Weakest DS is Cobra. Wendy's slayer affect has been among the best. Her slayer affect was the only one besides Natsu to affect a Dragon a year ago (Zirconis). Dragons not being affected by human mage is the law of the manga.

August can't hurt a Dragon, it is as simple as that. No DS Magic means he has no way to harm a Dragon. Dragons are the superior race which is why DS were made to kill them and even with DS they were hard to kill.

Show the feats or your fanfic of an argument is meaningless.

 

[Doughboy]

That's the point I meant to make. How can August revert Irene to her dragon form, being that's her true form? Speculation to say he's copied enchantments. Not enough conclusive information that he's copied DSM, we just now he can copy it. August can damage Irene enough that she'll revert? Speculation. Erza used a DSM-infused sword so can't say any spell would do the same. One thing we know is August > Human Irene. She has to be in dragon throughout the entire fight to win

 

[kkck]

Well, I am somewhat torn because there are a number of factors which could swing this in an instant.

Skill wise august takes this one by far. He has had a long live of arbitrarily copying magic. In that regard he probably surpasses even zeref himself.

Raw power wise irene takes this. She is a dragon, by default her raw power is greater than that of a human.

August should be immune to purely magical attacks from irene.

Assuming august has dragon slayer magic then he absolutely takes this perhaps without even that much trouble altogether. DS magic would allow him to overcome the sheer difference in raw power and deal damage. Of course, this is a big if.

 

[CaptainTorch]

I vote for Irene extreme difficulty. Overall I find August and Irene's Dragon Form pretty much equal. However the simple fact that Dragons > Humans in every stats, and I don't think August can copy Irene's power, makes me vote for Irene.
Too bad Zeref didn't pass

 

[BluePegasus]

Dragon Form is her true form. She reverted bcs she wanted too. Weakest DS is Cobra. Wendy's slayer affect has been among the best. Her slayer affect was the only one besides Natsu to affect a Dragon a year ago (Zirconis). Dragons not being affected by human mage is the law of the manga.

Well, then her "true form" indeed is crappy. How pathetic is it when a small portion of Dragon Slayer Magic by a little girl is enough to take that form down, while every other dragon aside of Irene showed complete resistance to Dragon Slayer Magic. If you really think that August can't do as much as damage to Dragon Irene as Wendy, then you should just.. Go.

August can't hurt a Dragon, it is as simple as that. No DS Magic means he has no way to harm a Dragon. Dragons are the superior race which is why DS were made to kill them and even with DS they were hard to kill.

No other magic besides Dragon Slayer Magic can damage dragons, you say? What happened to Atlas Flame again?

Spoiler

Even though he wasn't as powerful as he used to be, it's still proof that non-Dragon Slayer Magic can harm dragons.

Also pls don't let me bring Jellal vs. Acnologia up too.

Show the feats or your fanfic of an argument is meaningless.

Who?

 

[Unnamed Namesake]

August

Medium to medium-high difficulty

August is just one of those characters that can match anyone step-for-step.

 

[inactive lurker account]

So how many are using August's lackluster performance as a basis to downplay the guy? Normally it would be a stretch to attribute powers to someone who has yet to show them, but in his case, the big problem is that his portrayal and reputation cannot be exhaustively depicted even if more time was dedicated to display what he can do. That's the problem with ALL universal sweeping claims including the one about the reach of Irene's enchantment, in that complete enumeration is out of the question unless the scope of the claim is finite and small. So ultimately it's a matter of either overstating or understating the stuff said about him notwithstanding Hiro's failure to deliver.

And although August is a human and normally humans have inferior physical and perhaps magical stats to dragons, I also want to emphasize that he's an anomaly, a wonder child of two cursed prodigies, said to have a strange and immense magical power from birth. Had he been just an ordinary guy who just took the time to learn as many spells as he can, then Irene would have won decisively by physical strength alone even if he was able to learn dragon slayer magic. Given that Irene's status as a dragon and an enchantress are more or less established despite the lack of details about them, the decisive and contentious claims on the part of August would then revolve on (1) whether we take seriously the in-universe rumors about him never mind the editorial hype statements, and (2) whether we have a high or low opinion of his heritage as the son of Mavis and Zeref.

Finally, I'm reiterating my hypothesis that Irene stands to gain the more the both of them are underestimated simply due to her being a dragon, while August stands to gain the more the both of them are overestimated simply due to his ability possibly trumping and encompassing her enchantments given a favorable enough interpretation.

 

[Jko]

Well, then her "true form" indeed is crappy. How pathetic is it when a small portion of Dragon Slayer Magic by a little girl is enough to take that form down, while every other dragon aside of Irene showed complete resistance to Dragon Slayer Magic. If you really think that August can't do as much as damage to Dragon Irene as Wendy, then you should just.. Go.



No other magic besides Dragon Slayer Magic can damage dragons, you say? What happened to Atlas Flame again?

Spoiler

Even though he wasn't as powerful as he used to be, it's still proof that non-Dragon Slayer Magic can harm dragons.

Also pls don't let me bring Jellal vs.
Acnologia up too.



Who?

It was sword enchanted to kill Dragons. Freaking August can get pierced and sliced up by a regular sword. Jura couldn't do jack to a Dragon while Wendy could make one feel pain. Your entire point is moot. It doesn't matter if August is stronger than Wendy bcs she will always be more effective against a Dragon as she was bestowed magic made to hurt Dragons. August has no magic to hurt a Dragon as he isn't a Dragon Slayer therefore he has no way of hurting Irene who is above a normal Dragon.

Silver froze Atlas' residual spiritual energy only. Atlas doesn't have his scales as he was a spirit that was dead. He couldn't freeze Atlas if he was alive as shown when just the residual spiritual energy Atlas had left was able to melt all the DeS ice. Your point is again moot.

Jellal's magic can't do crud to a Dragon lol.

 

[Doughboy]

I don't think anyone is using August's battle as a template, I mean we all know he was easily stronger than Gildarts, who didn't win like stated, August killed himself. Matching raw power for power, Dragon Irene comes out top. It's gonna be at the least high diff, no debating that. Where August can win is if he spams and puts his copied magic on display, dragons we've seen have incredible durability so it's what's making me lean towards Irene. Hand swipe broke half of Erza's body, it's just that she's Erza + god Wendy healing made it forgettable.

 

[Reebi]

I don't think anyone is using August's battle as a template, I mean we all know he was easily stronger than Gildarts, who didn't win like stated, August killed himself. Matching raw power for power, Dragon Irene comes out top. It's gonna be at the least high diff, no debating that. Where August can win is if he spams and puts his copied magic on display, dragons we've seen have incredible durability so it's what's making me lean towards Irene. Hand swipe broke half of Erza's body, it's just that she's Erza + god Wendy healing made it forgettable.

Was he able to take out a country or just Magnolia? I know the translations differed but Irene was able to enchant a country while having sword enchantments (the girls) and take on Acnologia. August hasn't been shown to do that.

 

[Doughboy]

Was he able to take out a country or just Magnolia? I know the translations differed but Irene was able to enchant a country while having sword enchantments (the girls) and take on Acnologia. August hasn't been shown to do that.

Yup, Ars Magia would of taken out the entire country of Fiore if he went through with it. It's restricted though in the tournament. Both the two have world-scale type of magics (Ars Magia/Universe One) so it just adds validity that they're equals or on the same stature. August being more powerful is a fact. However as we've seen power doesn't add to automatic win, Irene is the best bet to beat him.

 

[Reebi]

Yup, Ars Magia would of taken out the entire country of Fiore if he went through with it. It's restricted though in the tournament. Both the two have world-scale type of magics (Ars Magia/Universe One) so it just adds validity that they're equals or on the same stature. August being more powerful is a fact. However as we've seen power doesn't add to automatic win, Irene is the best bet to beat him.

Only Ara is restricted because that would kill him in the process. That would mean it would be his magical limit or all his magical power. Irene was able to cast Universe One with no problems to her magical container. Even though it's restricted to use, it shows how much MP Irene has. She could counter his attacks and wait for him to empty his container then strike.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

She uses both her hands and her staff. In this fight her staff would be better used because August wouldn't be able to copy her magic then.

He would be able to copy ones she casts using her own power (like the fireball against Acnologia), as long as there is some sort of magic coming from her he can copy the spells.

But isn't that like First Generation and Second Generation Dragon Slayer stuff? The Second Generation use Lacrima, the First were trained by Dragons.
So in that case you can say Irene is an Enchantress who uses the staff as a medium to cast her spells. It's still an item to charge the magic through, just like how Gildarts can use Crash with both his natural arm and his prosthetic.
Meaning August shouldn't be able to copy any enchantments cast via the Staff. Normal enchantments yes, but the staff exclusive ones? No.
EDIT: @MLG Bradman I think this should also clear up what you quoted me about.

The thing is, in many spells she cast while holding the staff she uses her own power, not the staff's. And yes, he won't be able to copy ones she uses with her staff, but at many instances she used her own power while holding the staff, and August needs to see at least one spell to copy, that is assuming he can't copy it directly from her (like how he could've copied Melt from Natsu without seeing him fight).

 

[inactive lurker account]

A simple, strictly logical point. Universal statements given some parameters can only be definitively refuted by showing the existence of an exception within those parameters. The problem is, in the case of August and his claims regarding caster magic, we haven't been clearly shown a case where he is literally unable to copy and use a certain spell that is within the presumed scope of his copy ability. All we've seen is that he didn't when he could have, and here I come to another strictly logical point that non-performance does not entail impossibility of performance. After all, plot holes and other literary contrivances fill in the gap between portrayal and performance for the most part...

Then again, many people I presume aren't arguing in purely deductive terms, and would prefer to gauge the claims about the king of magic quasi-empirically, in terms of panel evidence interpreted in a way that is comfortably compatible with previous claims that are themselves backed by panel evidence. But as I've said previously, it's virtually impossible to prove or disprove that he knows or at the very least can copy all categories of caster magic via simple enumeration, mainly because Hiro himself did not definitively count the number of caster magic categories available, and did not clarify the exact scope of August's magic. This leaves us with no other option but to accept or suspend or deny based on limited evidence and disputable heuristics, and motivated by indefinite bias