Discussion Awakened Devil Fruits

[scarletcrimson]

I dont know about the bepo thing becuase i dont what evidence in the manga points to him being awakened or a zoan user for that matter

Regarding the four demon guards that are awakened zoans, just the term seems to define zoan users that have achieved thier full abilities or lost to thier instinct in their animal fruits, thus it seems more likely that they were once people and cannot go back. But of course this is speculation and Oda hasnt revealed it to us so far

Chopper is special in that he is an animal that ate a human zoan fruit and that he uses rumble balls to achieve that monster chopper form. If monster chopper is indeed his awakened form, then it could very well mean that it takes some sort of medicinal or technical prowess to push DF users into awakened form, this of course implies Vegapunk had a hand in the four guards awakening. This would be cooler than the theory that they reached it through their own means of overuse of thier animal side. However this could mean that chopper cant go monster on his own and would have to rely on rumble balls.
Of course this could all be a moot point since chopper is unique and that we dont know specifically wat awakened means

 

[BlindMunkey]

I just thought of something- in regards to what or who the Awakened Zoans are-

I believe that they're simply the animals that they're fruits were named after...
like Minotauros was a bull, who was feed the bull bull fruit and Koala-buddy ate the koala koala no mi and so forth and so on-

I remember and old sbs question about what would happen if a human ate chopper's human-o-mi hahaha bad pun... Anyway the answer was that the human would be "enlightened".

So, in the reverse, If a bull ate a bull fruit what could that mean?
I think that it would give them an "evolved" form; taking on a cartoonish bipedal form and features allowing them to be the best bull or whatever ever!

i think thts possible. and assuming awakened zoans form is only wht animal or person original was. like chopper is reindeer. so his awaken zoans form will be based on that but not the DF fruit he ate? which is human human. tht would support his monster point.

i wonder if vegapunk have eaten some sorta DF which makes him so gifted. i would love to know the reason behind vegapunk being so damn good of a scientist.
awaken zoans definitely h as vegapunk written all over it

 

[c0nflikt]

i think thts possible. and assuming awakened zoans form is only wht animal or person original was. like chopper is reindeer. so his awaken zoans form will be based on that but not the DF fruit he ate? which is human human. tht would support his monster point.

i wonder if vegapunk have eaten some sorta DF which makes him so gifted. i would love to know the reason behind vegapunk being so damn good of a scientist.
awaken zoans definitely h as vegapunk written all over it

I think your onto something about Vegapunks DF he probably ate a variant of the human human df cause like oda said in the SBS if a human ate the human fruit he'd be enlightened.

But i think choppers monster point is an awakened cause how else would his two forms combine in awakened, comparing chopper to the guardians they have animal fur and features mixed with strong humanoid features and large form. Choppers awakened would be backwards his basic form is a reindeer so he has strong animal features mixed with strong humanoid form and a large body. Combined with his remarkable intelligence.

if this paragraph at all makes sense.

 

[Razh]

But i think choppers monster point is an awakened cause how else would his two forms combine in awakened, comparing chopper to the guardians they have animal fur and features mixed with strong humanoid features and large form. Choppers awakened would be backwards his basic form is a reindeer so he has strong animal features mixed with strong humanoid form and a large body. Combined with his remarkable intelligence.

So why is Chopper a lot bigger than them? And why doesn't he look more human?
If you think about it, his hybrid form makes more sense as an awakened zoan than Monster Point.
Awakened zoans are humans who act more like animals. So Chopper's awakened form should make him act more like human than like animal.
Oh wait, he already acts more like human than like an animal.

 

[c0nflikt]

So why is Chopper a lot bigger than them? And why doesn't he look more human?
If you think about it, his hybrid form makes more sense as an awakened zoan than Monster Point.
Awakened zoans are humans who act more like animals. So Chopper's awakened form should make him act more like human than like animal.
Oh wait, he already acts more like human than like an animal.

Theres alot of missing pieces to this puzzle like how the human fruit is different used on animals, and how that makes choppers awakened form different, I think hes bigger cause of the combination of his animal origin and human fruit.

 

[BlindMunkey]

Theres alot of missing pieces to this puzzle like how the human fruit is different used on animals, and how that makes choppers awakened form different, I think hes bigger cause of the combination of his animal origin and human fruit.

we do not know how vegapunk made it happen the awakened form but it surely is different from choppers rumble ball. so maybe that is the key point here. being the method is different making choppers awakend form different.
ofc vegapunk version of awakend form much for stable comparing to choppers. maybe in future chopper will better himself at monster point.
edit: this mini arc each character of SH pirates gonna have is bound to help each of them one way or another. so maybe it will long way helpin chopper have better self control in monster point.

 

[Razh]

we do not know how vegapunk made it happen the awakened form...

We don't even know if Vegapunk has anything to do with it at all. It would be nice if people stopped saying it as a fact.

 

[BlindMunkey]

We don't even know if Vegapunk has anything to do with it at all. It would be nice if people stopped saying it as a fact.

neither way u cant prove me wrong. so it shouldn't matter if i say or people say it as a fact. besides we just speculating here hoping being right.

ps. i do believe vegapunk had his hand in it still! [i could be wrong and i have no problem with that] until then i believe what i said up there

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

We have no proofs that it is Dr Vegapunk that had done that. That is not the fact as Razh said.

Nevertheless, as they are the awakened zoans of ID and as ID is a WG's organization, it seems really possible that he did that. It would explain why ID obtained 4 awakened zoans : because that would have be done on purpose.

Has Vegapunk been officially involved in Frankfood or Funk Freed (sword of Spandam) and Lasso (gun of Mr 4) ?

 

[Razh]

I think he only discovered a method of fusing zoans with inanimate objects. It doesn't mean that he made Lasoo for example. I don't know how Mr.4 would have gotten his hands on it then.

Speaking of zoans, if I'm right and they are zoan users who lost themselves to animal instincts than they can either be locked up in jail or used to keep other prisoners in order.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I don't know how Mr.4 would have gotten his hands on it then.

If it was Dr Vegapunk that created Lasso, Mr.4 should have gotten it through Crocodile as he was a Shichibukai (I do not see another possible link between Mr.4 and Dr Vegapunk).

 

[BlindMunkey]

If it was Dr Vegapunk that created Lasso, Mr.4 should have gotten it through Crocodile as he was a Shichibukai (I do not see another possible link between Mr.4 and Dr Vegapunk).

the fact that crocodile knew about the awakened zoan and had his agents using lasso is another thing i would like to keep in mind. marine or vegapunk might have just given it out for any number of reason and mostly because crocodile was shichibukai at that time. since we know it was vegapunk who discovered a way for non-living things to consume DF.. make everything inbetween irrelevant to the point how and where and when Mr.4 got lasso dog gun. i wonder if ODA will clear it up in future

 

[Razh]

Well, seeing how Mr.4 was practically useless without Lasso, I kinda doubt it that it was Crocodile who happily provided him with it.

 

[IceBorg]

I don't think Vegapunk created the awakened Zoans because of this page http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/16/

Its possible that Moster Chopper has something to do with the awakened Zoans but Sentoumaru was suprised when he saw Moster Chopper(like he saw a thing like that for the first time) and he is Vegapunk bodyguard so he should know about Vegapunks experiences.

Im sorry if this theory was already said but i didn't read the thread fully.

 

[BlindMunkey]

I don't think Vegapunk created the awakened Zoans because of this page http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/16/

Its possible that Moster Chopper has something to do with the awakened Zoans but Sentoumaru was suprised when he saw Moster Chopper(like he saw a thing like that for the first time) and he is Vegapunk bodyguard so he should know about Vegapunks experiences.

Im sorry if this theory was already said but i didn't read the thread fully.

just from being vegapunkz bodyguard doesnt mean he should know about vegapunks experiments. besides we all know how much of secret keeper sentoumaru is. lol imo he doesnt know

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Well, seeing how Mr.4 was practically useless without Lasso, I kinda doubt it that it was Crocodile who happily provided him with it.

most likely crocodile recruited him like that. i think u probably said something along that thought.

 

[Kyodai Senkan Mora]

This term "awakened users" has now been used twice in the manga: first in Impel down by crocodile while talking about the demon guardshttp://www.mangareader.net/103-2651-12/one-piece/chapter-544.html and recently by Daruma in reference to Hody's new formhttp://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/78589100/4....Interstingly both awakened users display similar characteristics: tough,resilient and recover fast from injuries.This leads me to believe that maybe the pills Hody and co. are using are not really new to OP just unmentioned..and if in fact they are what awakened the zoan users of impel down, what is the govt. involvement in this mess in FI or with Hodi or simply with the pills. I think its an interesting titbit in a manga famous for foreshadowing...what do u guys think?

 

[Mashiro_Luna]

Good theory, maybe the World Government is covertly supplying the New Fishman Pirates with Energy Steroid to aid them in their attempt to take control of Fishman Island. The WG never liked the fishman so if the NFP were to be in control then the WG would have a reason to declare war or something and take control of both passages into the New World and therefore putting a massive block to the pirates heading into the New World.

 

[kkck]

IMO the awakened form of zoans we have seen is unrelated to the transformation hodi went through. If the awakened zoan bit was the result of pills or drugs then it would be a largely unknown phenomenon. I don't think crocodile would have been as familiar with the form as he was if it was only the result of using drugs... wouldn't it have been too much of a contained event? The other strong dudes there were not even remotely curious about the form either.... I think awakened part is a natural evolution of sorts for zoan users.

 

[Anduren]

IMO the awakened form of zoans we have seen is unrelated to the transformation hodi went through. If the awakened zoan bit was the result of pills or drugs then it would be a largely unknown phenomenon. I don't think crocodile would have been as familiar with the form as he was if it was only the result of using drugs... wouldn't it have been too much of a contained event? The other strong dudes there were not even remotely curious about the form either.... I think awakened part is a natural evolution of sorts for zoan users.

Now that you say that....I'm starting to think this theory is more and more possible . Chopper's monster transformation also happened as a result of overdosing on Rumble Balls which is a special drug he concocted. There's definitely something fishy going on here even though I myself, at first thought the two kinds of "Awakenings" are seemingly unrelated.

 

[hyper_megaman]

chopper's rumble balls don't really give him additional strength, they just disrupt the df's effects and allow him to manipulate these changes to transform into unique forms

so monster point is likely just a harder-to-transform-into form, that rumble makes him go into accidentally when overdosing

i think monster point is chopper's awakened form. he just doesn't have the control to enter it naturally yet, so it draws on his stamina.


i personally don't htink it's related to the ES hody and pals are taking