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I think you are all forgetting one of the next most important string of questions we should be asking Oda!...

With Awakening, can Doffy make his weiner stringy?
Probably not seeing that doffy can't turn himself into strings to begin with. Even after the awakening he has not done that even though it would probably be immensely useful. If he could turn himself into strings he could probably even fuse with all the string around. His string cloe could do that. And with all this in mind ace could presumably pee fire and akainu could pee sand. And I am pretty sure there is a joko somewhere in the idea of crocodile peeing sand.
 

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so at least the clone CAN pee strings? XD CONFIRMED
 

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Awakening probably works differently depending on the fruit type. The most obvious one would be the zoans not turning things to their respective animal body parts. The easiest application of awakened fruits should be the logia. Turning things into their elements is plausible and very beneficial. Akainu and Aokiji probably did this when they fought on PH. The fact that 2 halves of PH were permanently altered indicates that they turned those parts to their elements. It's quite impressive considering the scale of their actions. Awakening probably also works a bit differently for paramecia depending on the type of the fruit as Paras are the most diverse ones. I'm keen to get this thing fully explained. How would awakening work on a fruit like the gura gura for example? Perhaps awakening is not for every fruit. It makes sense that each fruit should hold the potential to awaken but attributing abilities or how it would work in some cases seem somewhat impossible.
 

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It's likely that most top tier characters with DF are already awakened. Awakening doesn't necessarily make one stronger, I'm pretty sure everyone assumed that Doflamingo would begin to give Luffy the fodder treatment as soon as he mentioned about being awakened and spawning strings. His strength or durability wasn't enhanced, he just had more strings to control.

Whitebeard probably awakened his DF seeing the things he pulled off; if mre Zoan in Impel Down could be awakened then I expect top tier characters to follow suit.
 

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The awakening of DF will surely be different from person to person from DF to DF since each DF is unique in their own way, has conditions that only applies to them, and potentials that solely belongs to them.
 

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This is how i think an awakened ability is distributed along all 3 DF catagories:

1. Awakened Zoan:
Allows user to grow to a larger size. Chopper's monster form could probably be a minor form awakening...

2. Paramecia:
Allows user to utilize the surrounding environment as an extension of his body. Just like we saw Doflamingo in the current arc.

3. Logias:
Allows the user to maintain Logia state as long as needed, meaning a Haki attack wouldn't scathe him.. e.g: Akainu able to restore his body inspite of a haki attack..
 

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This is how i think an awakened ability is distributed along all 3 DF catagories:

1. Awakened Zoan:
Allows user to grow to a larger size. Chopper's monster form could probably be a minor form awakening...

2. Paramecia:
Allows user to utilize the surrounding environment as an extension of his body. Just like we saw Doflamingo in the current arc.

3. Logias:
Allows the user to maintain Logia state as long as needed, meaning a Haki attack wouldn't scathe him.. e.g: Akainu able to restore his body inspite of a haki attack..
Your point about Logias is wrong because no one would be able to defeat them, if that was true. In case of logias it is probably thing that lets them change nature of environment permanently like it was done after fight between Akainu and Kuzan.
 

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Your point about Logias is wrong because no one would be able to defeat them, if that was true. In case of logias it is probably thing that lets them change nature of environment permanently like it was done after fight between Akainu and Kuzan.
It's possible to defend with Haki and still be hurt by brute force which Luffy did against the Gorgon sisters, so I'd guess Logias can resist Haki that's considerably weak to an extent? He lost his intangibility when faced by WB who we can deem to have superior Haki to Vista and Marco.
 

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This is how i think an awakened ability is distributed along all 3 DF catagories:

1. Awakened Zoan:
Allows user to grow to a larger size. Chopper's monster form could probably be a minor form awakening...

2. Paramecia:
Allows user to utilize the surrounding environment as an extension of his body. Just like we saw Doflamingo in the current arc.

3. Logias:
Allows the user to maintain Logia state as long as needed, meaning a Haki attack wouldn't scathe him.. e.g: Akainu able to restore his body inspite of a haki attack..
I am not sure an increase in size would be what goes on with awakened zoan. We saw 3 of them and it was not just that. Its like their hybrid forms become more animal like. Take lucci or other CP9, their faces have at least a human looking half. The ID guys lost that.

The issue there is that it wouldn't work as well for other paramecia. For example, luffy would probably not benefit from his surroundings turning into rubber. He would need control over rubber itself to do something like that doflmaingo did. Buggy's fruit would perhaps work if he cat chop up his surroundings and manipulate them... Not sure of stuff turned into noro noro beams would work. Unless things could be made to shoot noro beams. Brook's fruit would be weird.. though it might be interesting if he can get the ghosts out of stuff and add them to his own. Paramecia are basically are a group of anything that is not logia or zoan, their powers are too varied for them to work similarly between fruits. I guess the definition given by doflamingo is wide enough that it won't work exactly as with hiss specific ability.

I doubt logia can work like that. "logia state" is not a thing which users have a need to sustain as far as we know. Logia users are simply "always" their element. And haki does not deactivate DFs, it merely allows for contact. Logia users don't restore themselves for that matter. Purely physical attacks simply do not affect them. And haki attacks hit their real bodies and cause ordinary damage. And as far as the manga has told us a logia that got split without being hurt does not require any effort to put himself together.
 

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Like Holt mentioned, we've probably seen an awakened Logia's capabilities in the form of Punk Hazard, but I don't think it's quite like Doflamingo. Luffy and his crew would have been unable lay a foot on Punk Hazard if that was the case as most of the environment would have been straight up lava. I think the effect of awakened Logia is "permanence", which basically makes everything surrounding them permanently affected by the byproduct of the element, if that makes sense. Magu Magu no Mi's and, most likely, Mera Mera no Mi's heat is permanent, Hie Hie no Mi's cold is permanent. etc. Basically makes their element to the main force of the area. I think it could even work for Kizaru and Eneru's fruits.
 

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Like Holt mentioned, we've probably seen an awakened Logia's capabilities in the form of Punk Hazard, but I don't think it's quite like Doflamingo. Luffy and his crew would have been unable lay a foot on Punk Hazard if that was the case as most of the environment would have been straight up lava. I think the effect of awakened Logia is "permanence", which basically makes everything surrounding them permanently affected by the byproduct of the element, if that makes sense. Magu Magu no Mi's and, most likely, Mera Mera no Mi's heat is permanent, Hie Hie no Mi's cold is permanent. etc. Basically makes their element to the main force of the area. I think it could even work for Kizaru and Eneru's fruits.
I read somewhere in SBS that the aftermath of the battle wasn't just due to their powers, but as a result of the sea and the geography of the location.

-Another really cool tidbit of info here is that we learn of some details about how the battle between Aokiji and Akainu affected Punk Hazard's weather. As to be expected, the admiral's DF powers raised ice mountains and volcanoes on the island, and that the battle also cracked a hole into the island's center. Some sea water flowed into the hole, and it affected the island's development: The hot side was created due to the magma that fell into the ocean water nearby, which raised the temperature greatly. As for the cold side, it was created due to dry winds blowing the vapor created from the magma into the sky, which created clouds. And it's those clouds that rain snow upon the cold half of the island.
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Your point about Logias is wrong because no one would be able to defeat them, if that was true. In case of logias it is probably thing that lets them change nature of environment permanently like it was done after fight between Akainu and Kuzan.
Welll its just a theory. We know nothing about awakened logias, but we do know that Haki does cause damage to Logias. Akainu does really get slashed with Haki and yet heals up instantly. That isnt suppose to happen as we know from the reaction Vista and Marco provided. I am assuming a connection with an awakened level which might be wrong but not because no one will be able to beat them.

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I am not sure an increase in size would be what goes on with awakened zoan. We saw 3 of them and it was not just that. Its like their hybrid forms become more animal like. Take lucci or other CP9, their faces have at least a human looking half. The ID guys lost that.

The issue there is that it wouldn't work as well for other paramecia. For example, luffy would probably not benefit from his surroundings turning into rubber. He would need control over rubber itself to do something like that doflmaingo did. Buggy's fruit would perhaps work if he cat chop up his surroundings and manipulate them... Not sure of stuff turned into noro noro beams would work. Unless things could be made to shoot noro beams. Brook's fruit would be weird.. though it might be interesting if he can get the ghosts out of stuff and add them to his own. Paramecia are basically are a group of anything that is not logia or zoan, their powers are too varied for them to work similarly between fruits. I guess the definition given by doflamingo is wide enough that it won't work exactly as with hiss specific ability.

I doubt logia can work like that. "logia state" is not a thing which users have a need to sustain as far as we know. Logia users are simply "always" their element. And haki does not deactivate DFs, it merely allows for contact. Logia users don't restore themselves for that matter. Purely physical attacks simply do not affect them. And haki attacks hit their real bodies and cause ordinary damage. And as far as the manga has told us a logia that got split without being hurt does not require any effort to put himself together.
Awakened Zoans in Punk Hazard were probably failed states. We see WG experimenting with DF abiltiies, specailly Zoan, so it could be a state of artificial awakening that leaves them as puppets of the govt or something like that. The size part is in relation to their actual bodies and DF abilities put into consideration. Chopper is a case of Reindeer and Human, neither can grow into those sizes...

Luffy's DF ability is not a typical Paramecia to begin with as his body is always in a state of rubber, even under the ocean, so basically even without consciousness from the user. Take Magellan for instance, he would be able to turn the surroundings as poison making him deadly. Luffy could extend his surroundings to rubber and have great comic benefits like throw the person off balance, practically have surroundings in gear 4 and make them keep bouncing. I do agree that its definition probably fits doflamingo's situation specifically. Heck, maybe not all DFs can have an awakened state either.

The logia state is wrong word to use i guess. I just tried to tie it with an observed anomoly where Akainu restores his body inspite of being sliced by WB pirates..
 

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Logias. Akainu does really get slashed with Haki and yet heals up instantly. That isnt suppose to happen as we know from the reaction Vista and Marco provided. I am assuming a connection with an awakened level which might be wrong but not because no one will be able to beat them.
You could interpret it as just a superficial cut. It's common for a slash to not have any lasting effects, and it's not surprising since Akainu withstood a lot of damage.

Awakened Zoans in Punk Hazard were probably failed states. We see WG experimenting with DF abiltiies, specailly Zoan, so it could be a state of artificial awakening that leaves them as puppets of the govt or something like that. The size part is in relation to their actual bodies and DF abilities put into consideration. Chopper is a case of Reindeer and Human, neither can grow into those sizes...
Interesting you pointed that out. If that was the case, I would then expect for a real awakened user to be like Chopper's monster form.
 

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You could interpret it as just a superficial cut. It's common for a slash to not have any lasting effects, and it's not surprising since Akainu withstood a lot of damage.


Interesting you pointed that out. If that was the case, I would then expect for a real awakened user to be like Chopper's monster form.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47005-7/one-piece/chapter-574.html

It wasn't superficial, the animes shows this scene better though.

ON Chopper, yup, thats what i am trying to say. Chopper originally lost consiousness like the awakened users of ID. He has learned to control it while impel down guys cannot come back from that scenario.
 

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Welll its just a theory. We know nothing about awakened logias, but we do know that Haki does cause damage to Logias. Akainu does really get slashed with Haki and yet heals up instantly. That isnt suppose to happen as we know from the reaction Vista and Marco provided. I am assuming a connection with an awakened level which might be wrong but not because no one will be able to beat them.

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Awakened Zoans in Punk Hazard were probably failed states. We see WG experimenting with DF abiltiies, specailly Zoan, so it could be a state of artificial awakening that leaves them as puppets of the govt or something like that. The size part is in relation to their actual bodies and DF abilities put into consideration. Chopper is a case of Reindeer and Human, neither can grow into those sizes...

Luffy's DF ability is not a typical Paramecia to begin with as his body is always in a state of rubber, even under the ocean, so basically even without consciousness from the user. Take Magellan for instance, he would be able to turn the surroundings as poison making him deadly. Luffy could extend his surroundings to rubber and have great comic benefits like throw the person off balance, practically have surroundings in gear 4 and make them keep bouncing. I do agree that its definition probably fits doflamingo's situation specifically. Heck, maybe not all DFs can have an awakened state either.

The logia state is wrong word to use i guess. I just tried to tie it with an observed anomoly where Akainu restores his body inspite of being sliced by WB pirates..
There weren't any awakened zoans at PH. There weren't even zoans safe for the giant blob.

I am not sure there is anything untypical about luffy's fruit. Paramecia is the widest category, its basically anything thats not a logia or zoan. With that in mind a weird paramecia is contextually weird.

Well, there clearly is a way for haki to not outright hurt logia users. Though the specific situation has not yet been explained. I guess we will see it a little later on when we see the strongest logias around fighting. The akainu bit is not the only case after all, WB also impaled aokiji and aokiji lived. I guess it could be that they simply move their body around within their element so to speak...
 

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http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47005-7/one-piece/chapter-574.html

It wasn't superficial, the animes shows this scene better though.

ON Chopper, yup, thats what i am trying to say. Chopper originally lost consiousness like the awakened users of ID. He has learned to control it while impel down guys cannot come back from that scenario.
But is it not because Akainu is a Logia? The damage dealt to the real body of a Logia is not measurable by how much it affects his Logia form. For example, Luffy smashed Crocodile head dozens of times when he was intangible, but the same didn't happen when he managed to hit him for real.

Well, there clearly is a way for haki to not outright hurt logia users. Though the specific situation has not yet been explained. I guess we will see it a little later on when we see the strongest logias around fighting. The akainu bit is not the only case after all, WB also impaled aokiji and aokiji lived. I guess it could be that they simply move their body around within their element so to speak...
That was clearly the case with Aokiji.

Speaking of Akainu, I think Marco and Visto simply did not made any critical hit. Because Akainu is a Logia it's easy to forget that characters of his strength can take as much damage as a fortress.

Akainu comment on how irritating Haki users may be because otherwise his lava would instantly melt any blade.
 
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Welll its just a theory. We know nothing about awakened logias, but we do know that Haki does cause damage to Logias. Akainu does really get slashed with Haki and yet heals up instantly. That isnt suppose to happen as we know from the reaction Vista and Marco provided. I am assuming a connection with an awakened level which might be wrong but not because no one will be able to beat them.

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Awakened Zoans in Punk Hazard were probably failed states. We see WG experimenting with DF abiltiies, specailly Zoan, so it could be a state of artificial awakening that leaves them as puppets of the govt or something like that. The size part is in relation to their actual bodies and DF abilities put into consideration. Chopper is a case of Reindeer and Human, neither can grow into those sizes...

Luffy's DF ability is not a typical Paramecia to begin with as his body is always in a state of rubber, even under the ocean, so basically even without consciousness from the user. Take Magellan for instance, he would be able to turn the surroundings as poison making him deadly. Luffy could extend his surroundings to rubber and have great comic benefits like throw the person off balance, practically have surroundings in gear 4 and make them keep bouncing. I do agree that its definition probably fits doflamingo's situation specifically. Heck, maybe not all DFs can have an awakened state either.

The logia state is wrong word to use i guess. I just tried to tie it with an observed anomoly where Akainu restores his body inspite of being sliced by WB pirates..
That's untrue, there's nothing saying or implying awakened Logias are unaffected by haki. How did Whitebeard hit Akainu then? Marco and Vista irritated Akainu when they used haki, but the effect wasn't strong enough to harm him most likely because they're haki isn't as strong as Whitebeard's himself.

Aokiji was hit by Haki, but then again he was focusing on WB so Jozu's attack was pretty much a cheap shot. If it took Akainu 10 days to defeat Aokiji, it'd mean that the fight could have even gone in Aokiji's way. Why would someone who is apparently immune to Haki need 10 days to defeat Aokiji (who got affected by Haki), it's unlikely that Akainu is awakened and Aokiji isn't; it's highly unlike that awakened Logias are immune to Haki.

The creatures in Impel Down could well be animals that were given Zoan fruits and were trained by Sadie-chan; she wields a whip like a ringleader at a zoo and she controls them like animals which is probably because these Zoans weren't human in the first place. Had Chopper never eaten the Human fruit, he'd be like any other animal or the creatures in Impel Down; he's only able to accomplish human feats because his DF allows him to do so.

Even when theses awakened Zoans in Impel Down were knocked unconscious, they retained their form. Based on the information we have about awakened characters so far; it's evident that the change isn't physical but attribute based. it's possible awakening may not even change how a Zoan looks, but like Crocodile said "enhanced toughness and resilience" which is typically what a Zoan DF does in the first place.

When Doflamingo showed his awakening, he said awakening affects the user and on rare occasions it extends to the surroundings; we know it enhanced the Zoans's attributes (the user) and didn't affect the surroundings which means it depends on the kind of DF. What's certain is that it increases the already present attributes of the DF, it's quite possible Chopper will just be able to combine multiple points at the same time.
 
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If it took Akainu 10 days to defeat Aokiji, it'd mean that the fight could have even gone in Aokiji's way.
Not necessarily. It's weird but a battle lasting for days is a trope to show how strong they are, not how close their powers is. Of course in a practical sense it has no consistent within the series.
 

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That's untrue, there's nothing saying or implying awakened Logias are unaffected by haki. How did Whitebeard hit Akainu then? Marco and Vista irritated Akainu when they used haki, but the effect wasn't strong enough to harm him most likely because they're haki isn't as strong as Whitebeard's himself.

Aokiji was hit by Haki, but then again he was focusing on WB so Jozu's attack was pretty much a cheap shot. If it took Akainu 10 days to defeat Aokiji, it'd mean that the fight could have even gone in Aokiji's way. Why would someone who is apparently immune to Haki need 10 days to defeat Aokiji (who got affected by Haki), it's unlikely that Akainu is awakened and Aokiji isn't; it's highly unlike that awakened Logias are immune to Haki.

The creatures in Impel Down could well be animals that were given Zoan fruits and were trained by Sadie-chan; she wields a whip like a ringleader at a zoo and she controls them like animals which is probably because these Zoans weren't human in the first place. Had Chopper never eaten the Human fruit, he'd be like any other animal or the creatures in Impel Down; he's only able to accomplish human feats because his DF allows him to do so.

Even when theses awakened Zoans in Impel Down were knocked unconscious, they retained their form. Based on the information we have about awakened characters so far; it's evident that the change isn't physical but attribute based. it's possible awakening may not even change how a Zoan looks, but like Crocodile said "enhanced toughness and resilience" which is typically what a Zoan DF does in the first place.

When Doflamingo showed his awakening, he said awakening affects the user and on rare occasions it extends to the surroundings; we know it enhanced the Zoans's attributes (the user) and didn't affect the surroundings which means it depends on the kind of DF. What's certain is that it increases the already present attributes of the DF, it's quite possible Chopper will just be able to combine multiple points at the same time.
There are two instances where the case can be made that a logia was hit with haki and it was ineffective. When WB impaled aokijo during the war and when marco and vista attacked akainu. Strength probably plays a part but I doubt its a black and white situation. The jozu situation is a different matter altogether.

I doubt the guys at ID were originally animals.... All 4 of them would have been given their respective animal fruit to begin with. And they attained the awakening which seems to be the highest level of DF usage there is. I am not sure trained animals could do that.

As far a the awakening thing that depends a bit on the translation you use:
cnet(translation used by powermanga): Doflamingo: Very rarely, an ability will “awaken”, and begin to affect things other than the user’s own body!!!

If we go by this one it seems like awakening is using the ability on things past your body. Its not just on occasions that it extends. Although it still can't work that way for a zoan based on hwat we have seen.
 

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There are two instances where the case can be made that a logia was hit with haki and it was ineffective. When WB impaled aokijo during the war and when marco and vista attacked akainu. Strength probably plays a part but I doubt its a black and white situation. The jozu situation is a different matter altogether.

I doubt the guys at ID were originally animals.... All 4 of them would have been given their respective animal fruit to begin with. And they attained the awakening which seems to be the highest level of DF usage there is. I am not sure trained animals could do that.

As far a the awakening thing that depends a bit on the translation you use:
cnet(translation used by powermanga): Doflamingo: Very rarely, an ability will “awaken”, and begin to affect things other than the user’s own body!!!

If we go by this one it seems like awakening is using the ability on things past your body. Its not just on occasions that it extends. Although it still can't work that way for a zoan based on hwat we have seen.
Aokiji created a hole in his body, he did say something like "don't be silly" when the marines screamed he got stabbed by WB's haki claded bisento.

The Zoans did seem more feral than human and they seemed void off any form of inteligence; the way Sadie treated them proves otherwise imo and iirc, she doesn't have any people that she treated similarly to the Zoan creatures. Nothing they did seemed advanced in terms of what Zoans have previously done, they just attacked generically and didn't morph like other Zoans have been shown capable of doing.

It could also mean awakening is rare and the instances it affects surroundings is rarer which would make the most sense like your Zoan comment implies. It would make more sense if only certain DFs can have their effects spread to the surroundings. Could be another 500 chapters before Oda gives more information, lol.

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Not necessarily. It's weird but a battle lasting for days is a trope to show how strong they are, not how close their powers is. Of course in a practical sense it has no consistent within the series.
Actually, this says they were pretty even.

On another note based on that picture, it doesn't say the fight lasted 10 days; rather the fight was the topic of interest within 10 days of the fight? Or do other translations say it was a 10 day battle.

Hmm, this says 10 days; I'd assume Mangafox has better translations?
 
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