Conditional Base Erza vs BSS Mirajane

[Zelefomavis]

it's time for me to step in

OP @Zelefomavis is One Magic restricted???

Lmao, if you give Erza the one magic a.k.a the power of feelings she stomps anyone (bar Natsu using the one magic ) with her fingernail only.
Bitch be real crazy if you give her the one magic.

Anyway, it's not like Erza can't somehow tap into her magic even without weapon or armor. Brandish stopped a Taurus Lucy kick with her bare hand when that's not her style of fighting at all. MP seem to somehow boost your body, especially for a mage like Erza who fights physically. That's why I don't think her fight vs Minerva was bs. Yes, her fight against Kyouka did have some bs but the fact that she is not defensless with her body only is not ludicrous. Mages get physically stronger with MP.

I don't see Mira's blast doing that much dammage considering what she took from Laxus, it will just exhaust her to use those aoe blasts. + Since they have to stay close, if Mira takes the time to blast her, Erza will just emerge and blitz her.

The fight would mostly be CqC with the occasional blast from Mira, Mira has the upper hand in dammage, Erza has the upper hand in endurance.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Lmao, if you give Erza the one magic a.k.a the power of feelings she stomps anyone (bar Natsu using the one magic ) with her fingernail only.
Bitch be real crazy if you give her the one magic.

Anyway, it's not like Erza can't somehow tap into her magic even without weapon or armor. Brandish stopped a Taurus Lucy kick with her bare hand when that's not her style of fighting at all. MP seem to somehow boost your body, especially for a mage like Erza who fights physically. That's why I don't think her fight vs Minerva was bs. Yes, her fight against Kyouka did have some bs but the fact that she is not defensless with her body only is not ludicrous. Mages get physically stronger with MP.

I honestly always thought Brandish is a physical CQC fighter (like, what else can she do except throwing rocks and make them island level but that's a dumb style) so enlarging fists or something fits her more

I always wanted Makarov vs Brandish but they were both shitted on

I don't see Mira's blast doing that much dammage considering what she took from Laxus, it will just exhaust her to use those aoe blasts. + Since they have to stay close, if Mira takes the time to blast her, Erza will just emerge and blitz her.

The fight would mostly be CqC with the occasional blast from Mira, Mira has the upper hand in damage, Erza has the upper hand in endurance.

then I agree.

I really don't see her blasts or punches coming anything close to RL or even regular lightning attacks from Laxus.

Mira might be physically superior but Erza would outlast her.

if this was Alegria then I would see Mira winning.

but I don't think Hiro would ever wrote something like Erza beating her with fists alone.

 

[Zelefomavis]

I honestly always thought Brandish is a physical CQC fighter (like, what else can she do except throwing rocks and make them island level but that's a dumb style) so enlarging fists or something fits her more

I always wanted Makarov vs Brandish but they were both shitted on


then I agree.

I really don't see her blasts or punches coming anything close to RL or even regular lightning attacks from Laxus.

Mira might be physically superior but Erza would outlast her.

if this was Alegria then I would see Mira winning.

but I don't Hiro would ever wrote something like Erza beating her with fists alone.

Don't get me started on Brandish's fighting style, that was my biggest regret. She could have been so magnificent

Why bother learning water magic? Just go giant and spit on your ennemies then enlarge it to island level. There, you just succesfully drowned all your ennemies. Some of them refused to die ? Take some rocks and throw them, it will look like a meteor rain to those lowly coakroaches.

Even without going giant, just reduce all the floor under your opposent, boom they fall hundred of meters where they will die. Or 100YQ style, enlarge a specific part of earth, but way thinner so your opposent is harassed by earth hallebard trying to pierce them from plenty of directions.

She could also be a great support, but I won't even go there.

Sorry for the off-topic but Brandish was so wasted... Oh, what have they done to you... You could have been a queen

 

[Jko]

Natsu was taking heavy damaged when Zeref caught him with his spell. He never went calmly. He was pissed at Zeref for trying to erase his friends by erasing the timeline. Ofcourse there was some POF involved. Natsu wouldn't have done crap is from your point of view not from Natsu. He even thinks he can take one Aldoron. If he could use DF at his will one of his strongest form when his previous attacks failed. He would have done so.



I already said Kyouka beating her with his fists. I don't care about your POF bullshit. Those are feats for Erza nothing more. You asked for feats and that's a feat nothing else. Erza could tank Laxus take few of red lightning spells which are vastly above anything Mira can dish out. Mira will tire herself out trying to beat Erza lol.



Lol She couldn't beat J and H without his strongest form while she beat Jacob in BSS. That's nothing bullshit just like favourite words PIS and Plot bullshit. Jacob is above J and H, those are canon statements by Mashima. Bersekers being weaker than J and H is nothing but your headcanon. They were created to capture Mavis and take out Fairytail. Why would Irene make them weaker than J and H who could trash by Mirajane when entire FT was in the battle field. Erza never got his ass kicked, She was pushed back one of them, She beat few of them and them held down by some of them.

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Since you are saying Gray use DES against Mirajane might well as say she used her upper forms because we didn't see nothing in that fight.

Does this look like a man under extreme stress?

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He looks pretty calm and in control to me. PoF didn't kick in for his DF. Natsu thinks he can take on anyone doesn't mean he actually can lol. He already knew DF wasn't going to do crap. The guy literally only did 1 point with a max base attack. Even if he had 3x multiple then at best it could maybe go to 3 to 6 points of damage lmao. DF would have just ran him dry which is why he saves it until he is ready to finish the fight.

Kyouka was killing herself and Erza failed with sword to beat her lol. She endure RL attacks for like 2 chapters. How does that equate to enduring Mira's attacks for 10+ chapters??? The damage would stack in the long run lol. Mira isn't going to be out of MP before Erza goes out from damage lol. She's never just endure attacks for several chapters straight and won bcs the enemy got exhausted lol.

Again how? I didn't see any boost in her fight with Jacob and she was actually at a disadvantage from being magically exhausted. Where did Mashima say J/H aren't S12 level? Neinheart was an S12 and I'd back the girls over a guy who tried to hide behind Simon lmao. How is it a headcanon when effort is greater than no effort? Irene created them on a whim to f over Mavis. You act like she was shown to put effort and didn't just instantly do it without trouble lol. Erza did get her butt kicked by the Beserkers. She failed to defeat even one of them and got pinned down by them as she was trying to get to Makarov. One of them also stabbed her as well.

Except you have nothing to reach that conclusion as Mira has never went out of BSS this entire arc and nothing was noted that she went out of BSS lol. We have a statement and prior history in battles to conclude Gray went DeS. We have Mira's prior history this arc that says she won't go out BSS even if she was in a stalemate lol.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Canon says that she couldn't that's what it matters. Anything you think is irrelevant.



Ofcourse she did. She thinking about her family and friends when she performing her technique on her. That what a POF. She somehow managed just use take over some part of it.



That was argument. Lol don't make me laugh. Erza doesn't rely on armor to beat oppenets. She always use red pants to beat her enemies which lowers he defense. Rest of arguments are nothing but fodder. Erza beat her with his fists and Kyouka said she is too strong. That's what Mashima thinks.

Mira to Seilah: "it seems that my take over doesnt work on you either"

"it seems " is very different from
IMPOSSIBLE



Simple logic:

Mira's is a demon take over user.

And

SEILAH is a demon.

So there you have it.



What defies logic and the IMPOSSIBLE thing is the moment Mira will take over a dragon or God lol

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So if Erza's bare fist is enough to beat Kyouka Too bad Armadura was shattered in to pieces for nothing if her bare fist was enough from the very start.

Logic again.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Does this look like a man under extreme stress?

He was before burning all of his black magic enter that form. He was dying from that magic.

Except you have nothing to reach that conclusion as Mira has never went out of BSS this entire arc and nothing was noted that she went out of BSS lol. We have a statement and prior history in battles to conclude Gray went DeS. We have Mira's prior history this arc that says she won't go out BSS even if she was in a stalemate lol.

Except you have nothing to prove Gray went DES. That's just nothing but your headcanon lol. He had no choice to that against Raijinshu because his main source of magic was blocked.

He looks pretty calm and in control to me. Natsu thinks he can take on anyone doesn't mean he actually can lol. He already knew DF wasn't going to do crap. The guy literally only did 1 point with a max base attack. Even if he had 3x multiple then at best it could maybe go to 3 to 6 points if damage lmao. DF would have just ran him dry which is why he saves it until he is ready to finish the fight.

That's nothing but what you think. Natsu is always postive. If he could access his stronger forms to beat him, he would have done that instead of getting absorbed by whirlpool. Natsu in his thinks he can beat Aldoron. Don't know where get this Natsu knew he couldn't do crap shit.

Kyouka was killing herself and Erza failed with sword to beat her lol.She endure RL attacks for like 2 chapters. How does that equate to enduring Mira's attacks for 10+ chapters??? The damage would stack in the long run lol. Mira isn't. Erza ain't going out endure her lol. BSS is something maintain for a long time while Erza is not going to be able to get best over a long period of time. She's never just endure attacks for several chapters straight and won bcs the enemy got exhausted lol.

Lol Kyouka was getting stronger every second as well so that doesn't matter. Erza was also feeling extreme pain since she was under curse. Doesn't matter what you think, those are feats and nothing you say will deny those. She endured all that pain and beat her with her fists. There is a canon evidence of her beating someone through endurance and her fist lol.

Again how? I didn't see any boost in her fight with Jacob and she was actually at a disadvantage from being magically exhausted. Where did Mashima say J/H aren't S12 level? Neinheart was an S12 and I'd back the girls over a guy who tried to hide behind Simon lmao. How is it a headcanon when effort is greater than no effort? Irene created them on a whim to f over Mavis. You act like she was shown to put effort and didn't just instantly do it without trouble lol. Erza did get her butt kicked by the Beserkers. She failed to defeat even one of them and got pinned down by them as she was trying to get to Makarov. One of them also stabbed her as well.

Irene putting effort into them is nothing but your headcanon. Those berserkers should be stronger than J and H. Why would Irene want to them to be weaker than Juliet and Heine when entire FT was in the guild. LOL if J and H were Spiriggan level, they would have been Spiriggan not some lieutenants. Mashima never included those two because they were nowhere near his level. Your point of view of Neinhart > J and H is irrelevant. Mira hanging out with a real spiriggan itself is nothing but PIS when she needed to use her strongest form to date to beat those two.

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Simple logic:

Mira's is a demon take over user.

And

SEILAH is a demon.

So there you have it.

Simple Logic.

She couldn't perform take over before on her but somehow manages do it any after thinking about her friends.. That's nothing but a POF moment.

So if Erza's bare fist is enough to beat Kyouka Too bad Armadura was shattered in to pieces for nothing if her bare fist was enough from the very start.

Logic again.

Erza never relies on armor to beat her oppoenets. She does it always in her red pants where her defense is lowest. She is ultimate tank. All those armors are nothing but fodder. Her lightning armor was trashed by regualr Laxus, Minerva destroy one her swords. Her armors always gets trashed. Mira in BSS has nothing to down Erza.

 

[Axiomus]

Strictly speaking, Erza didn't beat Kyouka with her bare fists. She ended up requipping her swords for the final attack. But she still managed to kick Kyouka around. Erza did finish Minerva with her bare hands though. So overall, I'd still put Erza with her bare hands above Sitri during the Tartaros arc.

Also, this is a barehanded feat.

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There's absolutely no way Jacob has better durability than Erza. Both Natsu and Gray individually would have wrecked Jacob. Madmole might have better durability than Erza and tank his attacks, but Madmole also tanked everything Elfman and Mirajane threw at him so far too.

I won't go so far to say that Erza wins this without weapons or armours, but she makes Mirajane work for it.

 

[Ramen]

Either way, it's an extreme diff fight.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Strictly speaking, Erza didn't beat Kyouka with her bare fists. She ended up requipping her swords for the final attack. But she still managed to kick Kyouka around. Erza did finish Minerva with her bare hands though. So overall, I'd still put Erza with her bare hands above Sitri during the Tartaros arc.

Also, this is a barehanded feat.

Spoiler

There's absolutely no way Jacob has better durability than Erza. Both Natsu and Gray individually would have wrecked Jacob. Madmole might have better durability than Erza and tank his attacks, but Madmole also tanked everything Elfman and Mirajane threw at him so far too.

I won't go so far to say that Erza wins this without weapons or armours, but she makes Mirajane work for it.

that's an understatement.

she beat her so hard with her bare hands to the point tears were flowing from my eyes.

 

[Ramen]

He was nowhere near death and just went the form calmly. There was no indication of stress when Natsu went DF. Obviously he didn't get a chance to bust it out before Ignia appeared. You act like any of them gave it their all. Gray wasn't in DeS, Erza was in HW, Wendy wasn't even Dragon's Force, and Lucy was just standing there half the time lol. He was saved by Ignia bcs he wouldn't have done crap to Merc without Ignia's flames.

Hmm Cana and Juvia both give clear as hell info on the fight and Cana wasn't the only person mocking Gray. Cana also was objective and laid out points that Gray could not refute. Gray was in DeS as he was stated to go all out by Juvia and we know he used DeS in practically every fight he is in. He used it on the Rajinshuu lmao. Everything points to Gray using DeS. What? How is the Tartarus fight PIS? I don't see her getting up after Seilah beating her down and then fist-i-cuffing Seilah in Base lmao. Alvarez? How is it PIS she beat Jacob??? She did that while injured and showing nothing to say she was boosted. Hell she was weakened and her MP scared the crap out of J/H despite them mouthing off S12s and Makarov. Makarov has the most MP bar maybe Gild and DF Natsu. Also again, since when are J/H weak??? You have shown squat to say such. We saw Erza get her ass kicked by Beserkers so can we say Erza got beat by literal fodder or is it just bcs the Beserkers are strong? Hint: it's the latter.

How in the hell is Gray let alone Skullion pathetic??? Oh, it's bcs Mira fought them and you can't get past the fact Mira is strong. Yeah, you keep saying that but have yet to provide anything to say Erza can win a fight through endurance alone lol. Erza beat Kyouka bcs PoF up her ass and Kyouka was killing herself. Even then she failed to land a fatal blow on Kyouka with her swords lol.

Log off dude you literally said Jacob has better defense than Erza.

 

[grey matter]

She was trying takeover Seilah. Mashima just made her takeover portion so it makes her less bullshit. Nevertheless it's same shit. If someone puts a scratch on Acno with magic immunity, it's bullshit. Take over didn't work on her but she pulled it off somehow.

She couldn't take over her at the beginning. Only after grabbing her leg and thinking about her friends. She pulled out an impossible. You can't have Mira feats are logical while Erza ones are bullshit. Those things happens and no matter what you say they are canon. Erza beat Kyouka with her when she was getting stronger every second. It might have been a draw but Kyouka>>>>>>>>>>>>Seilah.

I've already explained why Mira taking over just a part of Sayla was logical.

But let's even go by your argument and say it's some bullshit as well. Will this bullshit have ANY implication in Erza vs Mira matchup we have at the moment? No......as far as I can tell.

Now let's consider Erza vs Kyouka bullshit.
What that tells us, is that, unarmed and unarmoured Erza with heavy inuries, no senses and extreme pain intolerence; is STRONGER; than healthier Erza with swords and armour, with senses.
Tell me, in what world does this make any sense to you?
Will this bullshit have any implication in Erza vs Mira? YES! Because this suggests unarmed and unarmoured Erza is >> armed and armoured Erza . So of course Mira loses here, since Mira < regular Erza

If the route you're going on is "oh, but they happened. it doesn't matter what you say, it still happened"
Then base Natsu >> DF Natsu, and hence one shots everyone in the guild, since he one shotted God Zeref. Base Natsu one shotting Zeref happened guys !!!
See the problem here? When we discuss powerscaling, we have to ignore obvious outliers, or we can argue anything for anyone

 

[Ramen]

Then base Natsu >> DF Natsu,

FOE is stronger than DF Natsu. IIRC, @Axiomus said that FoE burned his arms but DF+FDK didn't. FoE is hotter and is buffed with PoF from the entire guild making it pack a stronger punch.

That punch that he used against Zeref would oneshot anyone bar August and Dragons.

 

[grey matter]

Also, this is a barehanded feat.

Spoiler

Her arms almost crumbled for it, didn't they?

FOE is stronger than DF Natsu. IIRC, @Axiomus said that FoE burned his arms but DF+FDK didn't. FoE is hotter and is buffed with PoF from the entire guild making it pack a stronger punch.

That punch that he used against Zeref would oneshot anyone bar August and Dragons.

That's still base Natsu man. It was all some illogical bullshit, might as well say emotional base Natsu one shots the entire guild then

 

[Aurelius]

she beat her so hard with her bare hands to the point tears were flowing from my eyes.

Made me rewatch the fight

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I've already explained why Mira taking over just a part of Sayla was logical.

But let's even go by your argument and say it's some bullshit as well. Will this bullshit have ANY implication in Erza vs Mira matchup we have at the moment? No......as far as I can tell.

Now let's consider Erza vs Kyouka bullshit.
What that tells us, is that, unarmed and unarmoured Erza with heavy inuries, no senses and extreme pain intolerence; is STRONGER; than healthier Erza with swords and armour, with senses.
Tell me, in what world does this make any sense to you?
Will this bullshit have any implication in Erza vs Mira? YES! Because this suggests unarmed and unarmoured Erza is >> armed and armoured Erza . So of course Mira loses here, since Mira < regular Erza

If the route you're going on is "oh, but they happened. it doesn't matter what you say, it still happened"
Then base Natsu >> DF Natsu, and hence one shots everyone in the guild, since he one shotted God Zeref. Base Natsu one shotting Zeref happened guys !!!
See the problem here? When we discuss powerscaling, we have to ignore obvious outliers, or we can argue anything for anyone

Erza or Natsu being exhausted means nothing. This is FT if their are tired or weakened they can still fight and win lol. Natsu fought Acnologia as soon as he was done beating Zeref and kept pushing through. Laxus did same against Hades as well as Wendy. Gray fought END Natsu with a hole in his stomach while patching the wound with some ice. Some FT members fight under even extreme conditions. It's not my problem Mashima doesn't give shit about Mirajane.
As for base Natsu > DF Natsu. Ofcourse he is with right amount of POF he definitely is. You calling these outliers then what feats does Erza has absolutely no feats.

Are you talking about logic in a World where person that can reverse time gets beaten by a fire mage or Some one who can punch a whole through reality losses to some rainbow fire. Mashima doesn't care about logic. Natsu is gonna take on Ignia and once he beats him are you say that those feats are outliers as well because Natsu beat someone who could eat his magic?

 

[Ramen]

Her arms almost crumbled for it, didn't they?

Not at all. She immediately went on to fight Irene after. It's as if those punches didn't hurt her.

Don't know where crumbling came from.

That's still base Natsu man. It was all some illogical bullshit, might as well say emotional base Natsu one shots the entire guild then

It's base but amped on next level PoF. If it was base Natsu completely than he would've used his regular DS attacks. Thing is, emotional base Natsu can most likely oneshot the guild.

Power is driven by emotions and Natsu has some the best PoF and arguably the best attack power out of anyone in Ishgar let alone the planet.

 

[Axiomus]

Her arms almost crumbled for it, didn't they?

Naw. Her hands were fine when she fought Irene. In fact, when Irene broke her bones, her right arm was the only thing that she could move.

Spoiler

Honestly, Erza's best durability feats are pretty much tanking shots in her cherry blossom robes, and that's no different from being naked. Mirajane will have to work for a victory simply because of how durable Erza is.

FOE is stronger than DF Natsu. IIRC, @Axiomus said that FoE burned his arms but DF+FDK didn't. FoE is hotter and is buffed with PoF from the entire guild making it pack a stronger punch.

The exact spell that Natsu used with his flames of emotions was FDK Demolition Fist, so it wouldn't be base Natsu anyways.

 

[Ramen]

Naw. Her hands were fine when she fought Irene. In fact, when Irene broke her bones, her right arm was the only thing that she could move.

Spoiler

The exact spell that Natsu used with his flames of emotions was FDK Demolition Fist, so it wouldn't be base Natsu anyways.

Oh true. What if he was using base FDK?

 

[Axiomus]

Oh true. What if he was using base FDK?

Lol. I don't believe in "base FDK". Natsu is either using FDK flames or he isn't.

 

[Ramen]

Lol. I don't believe in "base FDK". Natsu is either using FDK flames or he isn't.

Hehehehe

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In conclusion, Erza takes this extreme diff.