Canon Base Luffy vs Zoro

[nik87]

@Copy Panda The point is, even when placed with such huge disadvantages of not being able to use any gears, some people (read Moe-kun) think that he can beat all out Zoro. That's the stupidity we are encountering 24/7...

 

[Copy Panda]

Just ask them if Zoro with three swords could beat Zoro with one sword

 

[King Moe]

Just ask them if Zoro with three swords could beat Zoro with one sword

Who you think would win? There are those sadly (Like Nik87) think Zoro has a chance on Luffy, but you give good points on Zoro has all tools to be full power as we can't really it a base critic on him the same way Luffy is. Ignorance like people like that is sadly plaguing this debate here.

 

[Copy Panda]

Who you think would win? There are those sadly (Like Nik87) think Zoro has a chance on Luffy, but you give good points on Zoro has all tools to be full power as we can't really it a base critic on him the same way Luffy is. Ignorance like people like that is sadly plaguing this debate here.

The main difference between the toolset of Luffy and Zoro is that Luffy powers up whereas Zoro has a more constant pool of stats and techniques to draw from. They're simply different sort of fighters.

Zoro is capable of casting heavyweight techniques with three swords. Luffy cannot defend against those sorts of techniques without accessing at least Gear Third. Luffy is fast, strong and durable, but only because he can freely use his haki and gears to defend. It's not like he fought any big battles without using either one of those.

I don't think Luffy in base form can deal with what is essentially at least Gear Third attack power. Thematically, I think it makes sense too. Nevermind the hierarchy - Zoro has three swords, Luffy has four gears. It's specifically Gear Fourth which allows him to go toe to toe with top class bounties. Zoro's three swords therefore I think are reliably beaten in Gear Fourth (and Zoro's three swords reliably beat Sanji's two legs :^).

tl;dr - full power Zoro won't lose to base Luffy

 

[King Moe]

The main difference between the toolset of Luffy and Zoro is that Luffy powers up whereas Zoro has a more constant pool of stats and techniques to draw from. They're simply different sort of fighters.

Zoro is capable of casting heavyweight techniques with three swords. Luffy cannot defend against those sorts of techniques without accessing at least Gear Third. Luffy is fast, strong and durable, but only because he can freely use his haki and gears to defend. It's not like he fought any big battles without using either one of those.

I don't think Luffy in base form can deal with what is essentially at least Gear Third attack power. Thematically, I think it makes sense too. Nevermind the hierarchy - Zoro has three swords, Luffy has four gears. It's specifically Gear Fourth which allows him to go toe to toe with top class bounties. Zoro's three swords therefore I think are reliably beaten in Gear Fourth (and Zoro's three swords reliably beat Sanji's two legs :^).

tl;dr - full power Zoro won't lose to base Luffy

I don't think sword numbers matters since Zoro have defeated his opponents even with 1 sword like Daz Bones and he was push to the point in that fight. Right now going off base, I say to also handicap Zoro, he cannot use moves that he only use when his Bandana on which includes Three Thousand Worlds, so to be fair on both sides more (Also Sanji shown to handle him even with 3 swords as there a reason Oda make them rivals back to back).

 

[Copy Panda]

If he has more swords, he can cast more dangerous techniques. Techniques Luffy shouldn't be able to defend against without respecting Zoro's attack potential.

 

[XXGenesis]

If Luffy was allowed G2, then Yes he could beat Zoro. But W/O that Zoro hasn't shown us Commander of skill yet. Pre WCI arc I was sure Luffy Needed G4 to take Zoro out. But he's grown a lot since then, G2 would be enough, after a very long battle..G3 would just help Luffy administer the damage Zoro so casually soaks up

 

[Pirate Queen]

Base Luffy still has FS+Inner Damage Haki, Zoro takes this Hard to Extreme Diff

Once gears are used Zoro loses, especially to Snakeman

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Give Luffy G2 so this becomes a fair contest.

Zoro wins against base Luffy mid to high diff. FS would be the issue.

Zoro Vs G2 Luffy could go either way.

G4 Luffy destroys Zoro.

Counting innerdamage haki before Zoro masters Enma and we see Luffy innerdamage feats seems like cheating though.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Give Luffy G2 so this becomes a fair contest.

Zoro wins against base Luffy mid to high diff. FS would be the issue.

Zoro Vs G2 Luffy could go either way.

G4 Luffy destroys Zoro.

Counting innerdamage haki before Zoro masters Enma and we see Luffy innerdamage feats seems like cheating though.

G2 with ACoO + ACoA is OP as it is

 

[nik87]

All out Zoro destroys all out Luffy.

 

[Pirate Queen]

All out Zoro destroys all out Luffy.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

zoro destroys luffy here
at least gives luffy his g2/g3.......even hody jones need a punch of g3 to be beaten

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

G2 with ACoO + ACoA is OP as it is

I have to admit I wasn't counting ACoA since they are both new at it.

 

[King Moe]

Luffy fodderize Zoro at this point. If he can use AC and FS, Base is enough to kill Zoro especially his fragile being got easily beat by Kamazou. One stab and Zoro faints. Luffy can hit his insides and outsides now. One hit, Zoro faints again.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Luffy fodderize Zoro at this point. If he can use AC and FS, Base is enough to kill Zoro especially his fragile being got easily beat by Kamazou. One stab and Zoro faints. Luffy can hit his insides and outsides now. One hit, Zoro faints again.

Because Nik brings out facts fairly often (unless it's an obvious troll) where as 80% of the stuff you write is headcanon or so far off base people just think your a bad troll.

Gee I wonder why.

 

[King Moe]

Gee I wonder why.

You think Lexus is voice of all reason for us to obey? Please stop with that, her opinion has as much weight as anyone else here. Also don't want to hear from headcannon chief yourself, Sach as can't remember any statement you ever said that wasn't made from your headcannons at all XD.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Why does King Moe antagonize anyone with different opinion than him?

Anyway, if luffy still needs g2 red hawk to defeat holdem, then base luffy will be humiliated by zoro

 

[Shasha23]

what a stupid thread, anyone who thinks none G4 Luffy can beat Zoro is clearly out of their mind or high

 

[Pirate Queen]

what a stupid thread, anyone who thinks none G4 Luffy can beat Zoro is clearly out of their mind or high

Luffy is just that powerful lol. I am neither high or... well I might be crazy.

ACoO and ACoA is just that overpowered. There is no defense for that combo that we have seen in the manga yet. Apparently even Monsters with absolute defense like Kaido are susceptible to that haki if utilized correctly.

Gears just lower the difficulty in which Luffy wins.

No Gears = Zoro wins high/extreme diff
Gears 2-3 = Luffy wins mid/high diff
Gear 4 = Luffy wins mid/low diff
Gear 4 Snakeman wins low diff (due to speed factor)