Discussion Best Wano Upgrade?

[Pirate Queen]

So far, what is the best upgrade we've seen come out of Wano so far.

In regards to Enma, it's not an upgrade from Shunsui(not a "black blade") but since it is considered a "magic blade" I am considering it an upgrade due to its properties.

Sanji's RS hasn't been modified yet and may be even more impressive by the time we see it again

And Luffy's ACoA is bound to bring about better Gear type techniques

What is the most impressive so far?

 

[Fox666]

Enma or the Raid Suit are just tools. So far it seems Luffy new CoA is overpowered, but we still have to see it in action...

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Enma sliced a cliff.

 

[kkck]

Emma isn't by itself an upgrade though. Well, it could be but I would argue the bigger and more significant upgrade will be the increased haki mastery zoro will have after he is done mastering emma.

Raid suit might be powerful but it is definitely a more lackluster upgrade compared to luffy's and zoro's improved armor haki. Specially considering that sanji's haki skills have barely been touched on. He might have the ability to see into the future but otherwise he has not shown much of anything haki wise. Hardened haki is a basic skill among strong fighters in the new world and sanji has not shown it once. I am also of the idea that the raid suit upgrade isn't quite complete yet. It's appearance and obvious connection to the germa are something which sanji likely dislikes and which will likely be solved by franky tinkering.

It's a shame that while luffy and zoro are getting important haki upgrades we see sanji getting a new wardrobe...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Emma isn't by itself an upgrade though. Well, it could be but I would argue the bigger and more significant upgrade will be the increased haki mastery zoro will have after he is done mastering emma.

Raid suit might be powerful but it is definitely a more lackluster upgrade compared to luffy's and zoro's improved armor haki. Specially considering that sanji's haki skills have barely been touched on. He might have the ability to see into the future but otherwise he has not shown much of anything haki wise. Hardened haki is a basic skill among strong fighters in the new world and sanji has not shown it once. I am also of the idea that the raid suit upgrade isn't quite complete yet. It's appearance and obvious connection to the germa are something which sanji likely dislikes and which will likely be solved by franky tinkering.

It's a shame that while luffy and zoro are getting important haki upgrades we see sanji getting a new wardrobe...

I think the problem is that readers dont unstand the concept of Sanji using the Raid Suit as an extension of his already established abilities.

No different than Zoro's swords, Luffy's DF, Nami's Climatact, Ussops slingshot, etc

I love that Sanji got a Raid Suit. It could be used in spite of Germa.

 

[kkck]

I think the problem is that readers dont unstand the concept of Sanji using the Raid Suit as an extension of his already established abilities.

No different than Zoro's swords, Luffy's DF, Nami's Climatact, Ussops slingshot, etc

I love that Sanji got a Raid Suit. It could be used in spite of Germa.

I don't think it's bad per say, just lackluster. The suit can be all you said but there is something to be said about sanji getting a suit while zoro and luffy are getting haki upgrades. As in, actual improvements to their skill. Meanwhile sanji doesn't have any fights to his name in the new world, even less victories somehow and from the perspective of us readers his haki is vastly underdeveloped. Luffy has already mastered most forms of advanced haki we have seen and zoro is furthering his armor haki and meanwhile sanji is putting on a fashion show.

 

[nik87]

RS>aCoA>Enma

 

[Pirate Queen]

RS>aCoA>Enma

ACoA>Raidsuit>Enma

ACoA practically puts you at a Yonko damaging level

RS is perfect for Sanji and basically made Sanji the first SH to achieve his dream (Invisibility)

Enma is neccessary for Zoro to reach that next level swordsmanship

 

[TitaniumOxide]

I vote Raidsuit. And I also agree that they are all upgrades, but may not be conventional upgrade like getting the latest Galaxy phones (cough fuck you apple cough).

I can see all 3 of them improving upon their new "upgrades" but the Raidsuit to me is the most versatile. I mean Franky can keep tinkering with it til Sanji looks like Genos...now that would be epic af. But in all, Sanji deserves more credit. He isn't your strongass brute but he is strong. From alabasta onwards we saw great display of intellegence. From WCI we see that he can KO a yonko with a cake. If Oven couldn't see wtf hit him back then, imagine if Sanji had a Raidsuit. He definitely wouldn't be able to touch Sanji period besides creating a shield of heat...which the raidsuit will probably be okay with. I wonder if CC's shinokuni would be able to affect Sanji in his suit. If I remembered correctly Franky just chilled out in his robotic suit in the gas. In short I think the raidsuit is the most versatile upgrade out of the 3.

 

[nik87]

ACoA>Raidsuit>Enma
ACoA practically puts you at a Yonko damaging level
RS is perfect for Sanji and basically made Sanji the first SH to achieve his dream (Invisibility)
Enma is neccessary for Zoro to reach that next level swordsmanship

RS gives something that wasnt possible before - invisibility and it grants significant durability buff, among other things it provides.
aCoA remains to be seen how powerful it is and only boosts already high attack power(on Luffy at least) while it may not be necessary against opponents who aren't anywhere close as tough as Kaido.
No idea what you mean with next level swordsmanship. Enma, from what I see, offers nothing except that it forces the user to train his haki control to prevent the sword from sapping it away and depends on user's haki pool, thus not offering anything that wasnt possible before.

Raid suit offers something unique aside from serving as a significant durability boost. The invisibility is a unique ability and can be a deciding factor against opponents who rely on eyesight and perhaps dont have a high enough level of CoO. Invisibility only, given to any other high tier opponent is an incredible advantage and that's why it's best thing among the 3 listed, imo.

 

[Brandish μ]

Enma because of the hype - casual mountain slices, cutting Kaido. And obviously Zoro receiving this hype made it work.

I do consider Enma an upgrade for Zoro, not because of the weapon, but the haki upskilling Zoro has had to do and likely still needs. Perhaps if Zoro gets Shusui back he'll have a better understanding of how to tame it or draw out it's power. I already have my dream for such an event.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Enma because of the hype - casual mountain slices, cutting Kaido. And obviously Zoro receiving this hype made it work.

I do consider Enma an upgrade for Zoro, not because of the weapon, but the haki upskilling Zoro has had to do and likely still needs. Perhaps if Zoro gets Shusui back he'll have a better understanding of how to tame it or draw out it's power. I already have my dream for such an event.

The problem I think is that people dont seem to realize how it is an upgrade for Zoro. Either because they are to stubborn to realize it is an upgrade or they just genuinely dont unstand how it is an upgrade.

Is is a tool in which Zoro can work on upgrading his haki wether is is with control or output of CoA.

In the end, Zoro will become stronger by wielding Enma and if he gets Shunsui back he will be that much more powerful.

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RS gives something that wasnt possible before - invisibility and it grants significant durability buff, among other things it provides.
aCoA remains to be seen how powerful it is and only boosts already high attack power(on Luffy at least) while it may not be necessary against opponents who aren't anywhere close as tough as Kaido.
No idea what you mean with next level swordsmanship. Enma, from what I see, offers nothing except that it forces the user to train his haki control to prevent the sword from sapping it away and depends on user's haki pool, thus not offering anything that wasnt possible before.

Raid suit offers something unique aside from serving as a significant durability boost. The invisibility is a unique ability and can be a deciding factor against opponents who rely on eyesight and perhaps dont have a high enough level of CoO. Invisibility only, given to any other high tier opponent is an incredible advantage and that's why it's best thing among the 3 listed, imo.

Next level swordsmanship by means of better haki control and output

 

[Fox666]

Enma sliced a cliff.

Slicing a cliff is something Zoro could easily do. The point was that he was trying to cut just a tree...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Remember in Bleach?

Ichigo's spiritual energy was always at 100% and once he learn how to control the output of his spiritual pressure he became more powerful because it became more refined? Same concept. Enma forces Zoro to use 100% of his haki (spiritual energy) and once he controls that he will overall become more powerful.

Concept is the same.

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Concept SHOULD be the same. I dont mean to state my opinion as fact. That would just make the most sense

 

[TitaniumOxide]

RS gives something that wasnt possible before - invisibility and it grants significant durability buff, among other things it provides.
aCoA remains to be seen how powerful it is and only boosts already high attack power(on Luffy at least) while it may not be necessary against opponents who aren't anywhere close as tough as Kaido.
No idea what you mean with next level swordsmanship. Enma, from what I see, offers nothing except that it forces the user to train his haki control to prevent the sword from sapping it away and depends on user's haki pool, thus not offering anything that wasnt possible before.

Raid suit offers something unique aside from serving as a significant durability boost. The invisibility is a unique ability and can be a deciding factor against opponents who rely on eyesight and perhaps dont have a high enough level of CoO. Invisibility only, given to any other high tier opponent is an incredible advantage and that's why it's best thing among the 3 listed, imo.

This is partially why I voted Raidsuit. I wouls only vote for Enma...if it came merged with a df like Spandam's sword. Just messing with haki output isn't enough for me.

That being said, i'm glad the votes are neck to neck to each other.

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

I don't think it's bad per say, just lackluster. The suit can be all you said but there is something to be said about sanji getting a suit while zoro and luffy are getting haki upgrades. As in, actual improvements to their skill. Meanwhile sanji doesn't have any fights to his name in the new world, even less victories somehow and from the perspective of us readers his haki is vastly underdeveloped. Luffy has already mastered most forms of advanced haki we have seen and zoro is furthering his armor haki and meanwhile sanji is putting on a fashion show.

I like Sanji's suit. I think the fact that he's an observation haki specialist made it clear that he won't keep up with Luffy's and Zoro's armament. The raid suit gives him more durability, and fire resistance, which may allow him to go next level on diable jambe, while also enhancing his mobility on top of it's unique invisibility trait. Plus, it's a good follow up on his Mr. Prince persona. I know it was a long time ago, but it's clear that he adopted that name to speak to Crocodile because he's the prince of Germa. And it's also no surprise that he used that name on a stealth mission (him being Stealth Black). Fact is, Sanji's character has always been fundamentally different from Zoro and Luffy. And this is the crossroads that made that difference clear.

Slicing a cliff is something Zoro could easily do. The point was that he was trying to cut just a tree...

I didn't say Zoro sliced a cliff, I said Enma sliced a cliff

 

[kkck]

I like Sanji's suit. I think the fact that he's an observation haki specialist made it clear that he won't keep up with Luffy's and Zoro's armament. The raid suit gives him more durability, and fire resistance, which may allow him to go next level on diable jambe, while also enhancing his mobility on top of it's unique invisibility trait. Plus, it's a good follow up on his Mr. Prince persona. I know it was a long time ago, but it's clear that he adopted that name to speak to Crocodile because he's the prince of Germa. And it's also no surprise that he used that name on a stealth mission (him being Stealth Black). Fact is, Sanji's character has always been fundamentally different from Zoro and Luffy. And this is the crossroads that made that difference clear.

My point isn't about liking it. My point is more about the increasingly large and decisive skillgap between sanji and zoro. And sure, sanji mains observation haki but.... So what? It makes sense that sanji's forte will be observation haki but that isn't an excuse to not master the other forms, specially considering his role in the crew. Haki is basically at the heart of combat in the series and within that armor haki is indispensable. Heck, luffy doesn't main in armor haki either and he has already mastered it in the most advanced forms we know of. Overall, there are no replacements for haki in the series. Much like zoro couldn't compensate for a haki deficiency with a better sword, sanji can't compensate for haki incompetence with a suit. Heck, even his brothers got ultimately owned by big mom's officers and they had suits...

 

[hokageji]

I hate that Raidsuit is winning, must be all Zoro fans.

 

[King Moe]

I hate that Raidsuit is winning, must be all Zoro fans.

I voted for RS, but Sanii use his own skills to adapt with it as his attack, speed, durability, etc. are still his own. Hence why he wants it modify about. He won't fight like Germa, he still fight as Black Leg end of the day. He isn't helpless with or without his RS overall.

 

[hokageji]

oted for RS, but Sanii use his own skills to adapt with it as his attack, speed, durability, etc. are still his own

lol, thats not what the poll says... its an upgrade poll