Discussion Big Mom Pirates

[BlackHair]

I'm a bit surprised by your theory about Kaido...I'd rather think that he wanted to seize the opportunity to take out the Wounded WB,he seems to be an opportunist guy,just like BB

That doesn't make any sense. I mean WB gathered his allaince crwe to attack MHQ. He was in that moment his strongest. Why would Kaido seriously attack WB in that moment? If he is a opportunist as u claim, then he would wait on the side lines at marineford to intervene at the very last moment, just as coward BB did.

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For the sake of the plot, Yonkou's (the captains, idgaf about their crew) aren't equal. It wouldn't make any sense for Luffy to defeat someone at Shanks/WB level, and it wouldn't make sense also for Big Mam to be fooling around and wait for Luffy to calmly come at this point.

That is very much true. I easily see her as Moria, a pirate who is fallen in power. Became fat and lazy. Means she is defending her title as Yonko mainly with her crew. But herself, she might be at best VA lvl (below high tier, but as best mid tier lvl.

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As they’re two of the most important groups in One Piece world, I really expect to see more information to answer this doubt of mine. I personally thank BlackHair for his posts, that makes sense, but I need more proves to end this matter.

I appreciate that. I too had fun exchanging opinions and I perfectly understand ur concerns.

 

[knivez]

I will give you that Big Mam's entrance wasn't as spectacular as old man Whitebeard. But she is still a Yonkou. A title not given by the navy or other offical instance but by the people of the world and respected by her peers.

If she was weak she would have lost that tittle long ago. There are many pirates around that would challenge her or any other yonkou for that matter in a chance to get closer to One Piece. If she showed any sign of weakness or neglect I have no doubt that there are dozens of people ready to take her place.

Take blackbeard for instance. It is said that he is looking for powerfull fruit powers. Let's assume Big Mom has a powerfull devil fruit ( acid is presumed at the moment ) and she is weak, then why wont blackbeard go and take it?

I think there is a good chance that this will happen. In 2-3 arcs luffy will have fought his way into the new world. Possibly defeating some of big mom's crew and she is comming after him. Badly hurt and tired from the battles the crew would stand no chance if she would show up now. But in the end she doesnt show and it seems Blackbeard attacked her and took her fruit.

That would leave that route without a yonkou to be carefull for and it could become a pottential battleground for the supernova. Would be kind of cool. Supernova fighting amongst each other for the title of next yonkou.

 

[Razh]

If she was weak she would have lost that tittle long ago. There are many pirates around that would challenge her or any other yonkou for that matter in a chance to get closer to One Piece. If she showed any sign of weakness or neglect I have no doubt that there are dozens of people ready to take her place.

I think a lot of you are misundarsanding what some of us think. Nobody is saying that she was always weak. Geez, BlackHair mentions Moria, who used to be stronger in battle, but got lazy and fat. As a pirate from previous generation, assuming she's not at the peak of her might is the most natural thing. Yes, we can assume she's from previous generation, since she mentioned Garp. It's Oda's way of telling us that she is old. Furthermore, Oda continues to emphasize it mentioning that other pirates aren't afraid of destroying her ships. It's simple.

I do think she's tougher than most vice admirals. Then again, I don't have such a high opinion on them.

 

[Ratatosk]

Yeah, concentrating that much on candy when Blackbeard is on the takeover means she's losing touch with reality, if nothing else.

This from the anime is the first actual evidence for the theories that she could be Lola's mother... assuming they still check things like this with Oda first:

But then even though One Piece isn't exactly overunning with pink-haired people, there are a few who are completely unrelated, so could be wrong.

How the hell Luffy can protect Fishman Island successfully from far away if he wins, instead of just making it an even greater target for every arrogant rookie who passes through, is what bothers me. The obvious thing is for the Sea Kings to protect it, while still hiding the Princess' ability.. which is just as unlikely.

 

[Uriel]

Being the fact that that thing doesn't come off from her head directly it could very well be a candy floss.

 

[nguqua]

Are you suggesting that candies are excited to eat another candies and can TALK ?

After seeing all the craziness in One Piece's universe, I wouldn't scratch that possibility. And I request you to not use the facepalm and talk with a little more respect, just as I have been showing to you. Thank you.

This page is clear, and if you guys likes to read too much and elaborate suppositions out of nowhere, I'll just stop answering this matter and let you do that.

I don't think you get the point - the point I was trying to make is that it's too early to make any definite assumption about the future. There are just too many variables and possible alternate outcomes. Logical deduction derived from a strong body of solid evidence. Your so-called evidence are "interpreted evidence." They are simply neutral details that are interpreted in a way that would support your theory. Solid evidence are ones that clearly black and white that leaves nothing to the imagination. We don't have that right now.

About Big Mam, for someone who keeps reading into details, you sure missed an important one , you see that " Twitch " (which means twitching eyebrows or eyelids in genreal), it usually used to indicate the anger of a character in most of mangas. And it have been used in One Piece a lot of times to show anger.

Or a sign of renewed interest, surprise. You can see in that same panel, she is smiling, and in the same page, she even explicitly say that she has taken an interest in Luffy.

 

[garabilagan]

Re: One Piece 651 Discussion / 652 Prediction - No chapter until around January 11th (read the OP!)

i think BM ate the stomach stomach fruit

 

[tret16]

Re: One Piece 651 Discussion / 652 Prediction - No chapter until around January 11th (read the OP!)

Care to clarify what type of ability that would give her?

 

[elitefox]

Re: One Piece 651 Discussion / 652 Prediction - No chapter until around January 11th (read the OP!)

I want her to have a funny Devil Fruit, like lucci said a useless DF, but she took advantage of it ^_^

 

[Black Lagoon]

Re: One Piece 651 Discussion / 652 Prediction - No chapter until around January 11th (read the OP!)

She might have something similar to Wapol and Magellan at the same time ... Wapol's eating capacity and Magellan's poison inform of acid. I repeat Similar not the exact properties.

 

[Zehahaha]

Have we even seen food talk in OP ? Stop using this " This is Oda we talkin' about " argument to back up impossible things that would never happen.

Saying that the " FACT " that BM ate one of her subordinates isn't one, and saying it may be " Talking candy " (wat ?) is just too far fetched. Stay a bit logical here please.

And I'm sorry, that twitching isn't a sign of renewed interest nor surprise. Isn't she " smiling " here while being pissed off ? I try to give argument here, backing it up with clear manga evidence, and yet you all deny it saying " dunno, wait for oda to tell me ".

Yeah right, keep waiting for Oda to give you every single detail here.

I'm done with this discussion.

 

[kkck]

Well, a stomach fruit would make sense but the point here would be what exactly her enhanced digestive capacity would entail. Endless hunger would be a given in this scenario but there must necessarily be more to it. Maybe she can take advantage of the properties of what she eats? Say she eats metal and gets metal like properties. It would be interesting if she has the ability to absorb 100% of the nutrients food has and use them, that would even explain insane strength.

 

[Uriel]

You know, I just hope her ability doesn't relate with her eating. Seriously. It's a lame excuse and the more I read about it the more I dislike it.
And it will be more cool if it's just hunger that comes from her.

PS: LOL, I just imagined Luffy being chew by Big Mom. He's a gum after all xD

 

[nguqua]

Have we even seen food talk in OP ? Stop using this " This is Oda we talkin' about " argument to back up impossible things that would never happen.

Saying that the " FACT " that BM ate one of her subordinates isn't one, and saying it may be " Talking candy " (wat ?) is just too far fetched. Stay a bit logical here please.

And I'm sorry, that twitching isn't a sign of renewed interest nor surprise. Isn't she " smiling " here while being pissed off ? I try to give argument here, backing it up with clear manga evidence, and yet you all deny it saying " dunno, wait for oda to tell me ".

Yeah right, keep waiting for Oda to give you every single detail here.

I'm done with this discussion.

If you are done with the discussion, you wouldn't bother to respond to have the last word. If you give yourself the liberty to respond to my post, then surely you have the decency to hear my response to that response.

With that being said, "talking candy" isn't so far fetched if you look at creatures like den den mushi. They are snails with the ability to mimick a person's look and voice and communicate over long distance like a telephone. But as I said, that's beside the point. It would be extremely rediculous if I claim that these possibilities are bound to happen within the future. Am I even saying that they are likely to happen? Not at all. Are they farfetched as you said? Yes, I agree. Though nothing stops them from happening. And that leads me to the fundamental point I've been making several times already - there are too many variables that can lead to so many alternate plot development. To be sure of any of these plots as you have been with your theory is simply imprudent.

And please do not confuse your current theory about Big" Mom being the lesser one within the yonkou rank and will be the next enemy bound to be taken out by Luffy" (which have no solid evidence whatsoever and a whole lot of interpreted ones) with your current argument against my suggestions that she has taken an interest in Luffy, which you do show clear evidence for - another picture of her face seemingly having the same grin and anger shown through the veins next to her eye. And I care less if you prove my suggested theory wrong (though nothing changes the fact that she did say she is interested in Luffy) because that's not my point.

I'm not discrediting your prediction. What I'm discrediting, again and again, is your certainty in your prediction. We don't have to wait on Oda to tell every little detail. That's why we are free to make any predictions as possibilities of what may happen based on what we currently have (you made yours, and I respect that), but to claim it to be the only way how things will turn out is amusingly illogical.

 

[kkck]

You know, I just hope her ability doesn't relate with her eating. Seriously. It's a lame excuse and the more I read about it the more I dislike it.
And it will be more cool if it's just hunger that comes from her.

PS: LOL, I just imagined Luffy being chew by Big Mom. He's a gum after all xD

I really doubt her ability won't be eating related. What else would actually give her acid saliva? Unless of course acid saliva is merely a small part of what her ability as a whole represents. If she was an acid paramecia it would make sense she had acid saliva along with other acid related abilities and body fluids. Still, the appetite makes more sense with an eating related ability.

 

[Zehahaha]

And please do not confuse your current theory about Big" Mom being the lesser one within the yonkou rank and will be the next enemy bound to be taken out by Luffy" (which have no solid evidence whatsoever and a whole lot of interpreted ones)

Tell me, would it be logical for Luffy to beat someone who is in the level of the top dogs right now at this moment, just as soon that the second part of OP began ? Would it have been logical for instance, if Crocodile is strong as Mihawk, and be defeated in the first part of the GL Saga ? Would be there any evolution for the character, both in strenght and character ? If Luffy has already become top tier, just how can you imagine the story will evolve ? Just how ?

Would it have been logical for Ichigo in Bleach to defeat someone in the beginning who is a Captain ? Would it have been logical for Naruto to defeat someone who is as strong as a Kage in the very beginning ?

It is IMPOSSIBLE and UNTHINKABLE that BM is as strong individually like the top dogs. It wouldn't make no sense at all. Just like someone said that Zoro is stronger than Mihawk already, I mean wtf ? If Oda didn't rush so soon and made Luffy face BM, I wouldn't doubt BM strenght. Then again I understand him, Luffy have been trained by Rayleigh for 2 whole years, he became strong to a level where it would take him years normally to reach, if Oda made Luffy fight any shitty pirate there, it wouldn't be spectacular, and then again, if Luffy defeats someone who is a top dog (Top dogs for me : Shanks, and the Admirals so far, BB is a wild card for now, Kaidou no data on him), what would be the point ? Will there be any continuity, any progress for Luffy and his crew ? No.

For the sake of the consistency of the plot, BM is weaker than top dogs, and will be defeated in 2012 as there's no point in dragging this matter for a lot of time.

And I believe that this is the way things will turn out because this is Oda, he isn't Kubo who pulls random power ups from his ass (Ichigo being ten time weaker than Ulquiorra but he defeated him thanks to his hollow) or Mashima (Fairy Tail) (rawr my friends are my powaaah). If you'd like to see Luffy somehow have a power up from nowhere and beat Shanks, Akainu, Aokiji, then I'm sorry to inform you, but Oda wouldn't pull such a ridiculous crap on us.

I'll say it clearly and for once : For me, BM is weaker than most of the top dogs, but then again Luffy will definitely have a hard time against her.
It is the same against Crocodile, nearly the same pattern will repeat itself.

About the talking candy... Just how a candy would call a candy eater " Mama " and also be enjoyed that he will eat " Candies from FI " ? Does it make sense to you ? I'm sure as hell that it doesn't.

 

[Uriel]

I really doubt her ability won't be eating related. What else would actually give her acid saliva? Unless of course acid saliva is merely a small part of what her ability as a whole represents. If she was an acid paramecia it would make sense she had acid saliva along with other acid related abilities and body fluids. Still, the appetite makes more sense with an eating related ability.

Of course it makes sense, but that is boring for me. And I tend to wake up with acid on my mouth and it's usually due having my throat dry. For someone of her size eating as She eats, it's not strange to say something like that.
I like to think that it's something related to her but not the DF itself.

It is IMPOSSIBLE and UNTHINKABLE that BM is as strong individually like the top dogs. It wouldn't make no sense at all.
For the sake of the consistency of the plot, BM is weaker than top dogs, and will be defeated in 2012 as there's no point in dragging this matter for a lot of time.

You're forgetting that Luffy won most of his battles by mere luck and situations.
Case: Marineford.
Until we don't see her power the words you're using there are just pretentious.

 

[Zehahaha]

You're forgetting that Luffy won most of his battles by mere luck and situations.
Case: Marineford.
Until we don't see her power the words you're using there are just pretentious.

Marineford ? He didn't do anything there, 90% of the time he was trashed.
That battle showed us more the gap between Luffy and top dogs.

And luck is an ability one may say, even BB is lucky too.
People say that it was luck that enabled Luffy to defeat Crocodile, it may be true to a certain extent, but in the end, he won. If there's a rematch between old Luffy, and Crocodile, he'd defeat him anytime since he knows the trick. In the first, it is until he got stabbed that he realized that, in the second fight, Luffy was mostly fooling around (Mizu Luffy), it is until the third fight that we saw a real fight that Luffy won fair and square. But imagine with me if Crocodile was at the level of an Admiral, and Luffy defeated that early, just how the rest of his adventure would have went ? Would he have problems in EL, against Moria, against Kuma, in Marineford too ? No at all. Fights would be boring, everything will become boring as there will be no challenges or whatsoever.

 

[Uriel]

But you wouldn't say Crocodile was in the same level of Luffy or that admirals were one more weak than the others, right? Because you just can't measure that of that situation. OP is usually the best one when it comes to screw up power levels. That's why I think that when you say that it's impossible for BM to be in the same league of the other Yonkous it's pretentious as hell because you don't know the circumstances, her ability and how Luffy will confront her.

 

[Sakazuki]

@Zehaha:

Ok, if 2012 end and Big Mom won't be defeated, you lose your point. We don't know almost anything about her, if she is a "top dog", weaker than Luffy, etc. When Luffy fought against Lucci, Crocodile, Enel and Moria we had to wait for two years to see Luffy won each one of them. I don’t see it coming in 2012.

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I have already edited my post, thank you.