Discussion Black Clover Versus thread

[Itsnever2k]

Jack vs Nozel

Julius and Patry vs Zagred

Gadjah vs Vetto/Rhya/Fana (With Salamander)

Patry vs Damnatio

Damnatio vs Ladros

I'd go Nozel. Too fast and too versatile, Jack would be overwhelmed by the attacks.

Julius and Patry I guess? Julius is pretty op, and could kill the devil, but it's had to tell how strong Julius is exactly, but yeah both of them are fast enough to blitz Zagred, so I'd go for them.

Gadjah crushes all of them one v one, a far weaker Noelle was able to take out the Salamander and Vetto with Sea Dragon's roar, but a much stronger one didn't even scratch Gadjah(though she was holding back). I'd say he was faster than all of them too by a lot. In there elf forms they would be a bit harder I guess, but Gadjah would still beat all of them soundly.

Don't know enough about Damnatio, but I'd guess he'd beat Ladros but lose to Patry.

 

[Franz]

Jack vs Nozel

Nozel, is more versatile

Julius and Patry vs Zagred

Zagred

Gadjah vs Vetto/Rhya/Fana (With Salamander)

As strong as it is, I don't think Gadjah can beat the whole Third Eye

Patry vs Damnatio

It depends on whether Damnatio is fast enough.

Damnatio vs Ladros

I don't know, how do they fight? One decreases the magic, the other absorbs it.

 

[Aurelius]

Jack vs Nozel

Nozel
I think his large mana reserves, and the prowess and versatility of mercury magic on offense and defense would be too much for Jack's slash magic to overcome.

Julius and Patry vs Zagred

We only got a glimpse, but as time passes, my opinion of Julius' power rises. I think it's arguable he's on Lumiere/Licht tier. But, I'd give it to Zagred. His word soul magic has a huge area of effect and I think it could overwhelm Julius and Patry even with their speed. Though, if Julius gets the jump on Zagred, I don't think he could counter a time binding spell with his word soul magic.

Gadjah vs Vetto/Rhya/Fana (With Salamander)

In one-on-ones, Gaja beats them all. Fana gets stomped. With Raia, I think it would be similar to his encounter with Sisgoleon. Vetto would probably be the most interesting to me, but Gaja outclasses him in speed and his true lightning magic>beast magic. In a 3v1 however, I think the elves would take it.

Patry vs Damnatio

Patry, I think his light magic would be too fast for Damnatio to use his scale magic. Though this could change when we actually see him serious in battle.

Damnatio vs Ladros

Pretty much what Ice King says

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Ok I got two:

Julius vs. Dante

Gaja vs. Nozel

 

[Itsnever2k]

Julius vs. Dante

Gaja vs. Nozel

Have to go with Dante on that. Julius wouldn't be able to kill him, and he doesn't have anything like Yami's dark moon to protect him. He'd probably be a better fighter like Yami, and if not for hax would kill Dante a few times, but the healing for Dante doesn't seem to have a counter, other than anti-magic I guess.

I guess Gaja would win. He's way more durable, has higher attack power, and seems to be fater. Nozel could keep up, but I think would lose to a true magic spell, he doesn't seem to have any crazy powerful spells, just a lot of strong ones.

 

[Aurelius]

Have to go with Dante on that. Julius wouldn't be able to kill him, and he doesn't have anything like Yami's dark moon to protect him. He'd probably be a better fighter like Yami, and if not for hax would kill Dante a few times, but the healing for Dante doesn't seem to have a counter, other than anti-magic I guess.

Wouldn't Julius' time binding spells be able to stop Dante's regeneration? Imo, it probably could since the target is in a time loop. True he doesn't have dark moon, but I think time magic counters the gravity spells, possibly even the singularity by stopping time and reversing the source. Couple all this with his ability to predict attacks at high efficiency due to his magic and mana zone, I'm feeling pretty good about Julius' odds here.

 

[Itsnever2k]

Wouldn't Julius' time binding spells be able to stop Dante's regeneration? Imo, it probably could since the target is in a time loop. True he doesn't have dark moon, but I think time magic counters the gravity spells, possibly even the singularity by stopping time and reversing the source. Couple all this with his ability to predict attacks at high efficiency due to his magic and mana zone, I'm feeling pretty good about Julius' odds here.

Maybe? It's kind of hard to tell how strong Julius is because he wasn't going all out, but he did say the nature of his magic was to steal peoples time from them. Dante apparently doesn't age, so not sure how the time magic would match up against the body magic, or if Julius could kill Dante. I don't know anything about physics so I could be talking nonsense, but I though that strong enough gravity could mess with time. Dante's mana > Julius's mana, so I'd guess he'd be able to output more power to counter any time spells.

 

[Aurelius]

Maybe? It's kind of hard to tell how strong Julius is because he wasn't going all out, but he did say the nature of his magic was to steal peoples time from them. Dante apparently doesn't age, so not sure how the time magic would match up against the body magic, or if Julius could kill Dante. I don't know anything about physics so I could be talking nonsense, but I though that strong enough gravity could mess with time. Dante's mana > Julius's mana, so I'd guess he'd be able to output more power to counter any time spells.

I think if Julius has Dante in chronostasis it doesn't matter, regeneration won't occur. The only thing would be how long he can have him in there. I also thought the same about Dante's gravity, but tbh from what's been shown, I think Julius can handle those things with his ability to stop/reverse time and his foresight to predict his opponents moves.

 

[Itsnever2k]

I think if Julius has Dante in chronostasis it doesn't matter, regeneration won't occur. The only thing would be how long he can have him in there. I also thought the same about Dante's gravity, but tbh from what's been shown, I think Julius can handle those things with his ability to stop/reverse time and his foresight to predict his opponents moves.

Could he get him in chronostasis though? He wasn't able to get Patry in it, and it's fair to assume he was actually trying his best to do that. I find it hard to believe Dante isn't at least as fast as pre-elf boost Patry, and is probably way faster, so it would be difficult to actually get him in there. Besides chronostasis wouldn't kill Dante, it would just pause him. Also if Julius's attacks work by stealing someone of their time would that even affect Dante since he doesn't age? With the time magic vs gravity magic thing, hard to say unless they actually fight, but I would favour Dante because he has much more raw power than Julius. So yeah, I don't think Julius could kill Dante by himself, but it would be a drawn out fight since Dante would also struggle to hit Julius, because of his foresight.

 

[Aurelius]

Could he get him in chronostasis though? He wasn't able to get Patry in it, and it's fair to assume he was actually trying his best to do that. I find it hard to believe Dante isn't at least as fast as pre-elf boost Patry, and is probably way faster, so it would be difficult to actually get him in there. Besides chronostasis wouldn't kill Dante, it would just pause him. Also if Julius's attacks work by stealing someone of their time would that even affect Dante since he doesn't age? With the time magic vs gravity magic thing, hard to say unless they actually fight, but I would favour Dante because he has much more raw power than Julius. So yeah, I don't think Julius could kill Dante by himself, but it would be a drawn out fight since Dante would also struggle to hit Julius, because of his foresight.

The problem with Patry was the speed of Light magic. As for Dante, we haven't seen his top speed at 80% and at his lesser %, Asta and Yami did hit him. Oh yeah about the aging thing and Julius' attacks, def fair, though Julius could use Dante's attacks, the boulders and flying rocks, and amplify them back at him. But okay, thinking about it more, I think you're right about the gravity v. time thing. Dante's singluraity probably fucks that up for Julius and then curtains.

 

[Ramen]

Zagred vs Dante

Zagred vs Zenon

Zagred vs Vanica



I don't know if this was already asked but whatever.

 

[HereNThere]

Zagred vs Dante

Zagred vs Zenon

Zagred vs Vanica

Loro positioned Megicula as stronger than Zagred, so I'd say that, at least, Megicula and Lucifero are stronger than him. And Loro likely fought against a Vanica that was weaker than she was now. Megicula will probably just straight up cancel his word magic and call it day for him.

Lucifero is certainly stronger than Zagred, so I imagine, even using his limited power, Dante can beat Zagred. The only potential issue is whether or not Zagred's Other World Creatures will effect Dante. His body magic and inexhaustible mana supply will probably let him get through that easily though. Singularity will probably be enough to finish him.

Zenon is the only one who I'm sure about. It's highly likely that his Devil is stronger, but we just don't know enough about him and what his Devil's Magic can do to come up with scenario.

 

[Franz]

Megicula is described as stronger than Zagred, I guess it also applies to the other two

 

[Ramen]

Loro positioned Megicula as stronger than Zagred, so I'd say that, at least, Megicula and Lucifero are stronger than him. And Loro likely fought against a Vanica that was weaker than she was now. Megicula will probably just straight up cancel his word magic and call it day for him.

Lucifero is certainly stronger than Zagred, so I imagine, even using his limited power, Dante can beat Zagred. The only potential issue is whether or not Zagred's Other World Creatures will effect Dante. His body magic and inexhaustible mana supply will probably let him get through that easily though. Singularity will probably be enough to finish him.

Zenon is the only one who I'm sure about. It's highly likely that his Devil is stronger, but we just don't know enough about him and what his Devil's Magic can do to come up with scenario.

Would it be a close battle in your eyes? I can't see them taking Zagred with only 50%. Minimum 80 since it was mentioned that Zagred was a high ranking devil.

 

[Itsnever2k]

Have to wait and see if high ranking = part of the tree, but I don't think it would be that close tbh, with the DT having 2 magic types, and they seem to have much more power than Zagred.

 

[HereNThere]

Would it be a close battle in your eyes? I can't see them taking Zagred with only 50%. Minimum 80 since it was mentioned that Zagred was a high ranking devil.

It really depends on how much stronger the three devil's are in comparison to Zagred and whether or not the percentages they pull from the Devil's are actually their full capabilities. Asta's new arm seems to hint that they are far from using a Devil's true power.

Currently, I'm thinking they are decently stronger than him, so it won't be super close. He'll get some hits in, but once they hit 60%, things will start to go south for him.

 

[Ramen]

Just wanna say, Asta > Yuno. Donezo

 

[afaye2]

willaim and damnatio vs zenon

Loro(if she wasn't a support mage) vs 70% vanica(without megicula helping)

jack and yono vs zenon.
what percentage would they push him. I'm sure jack has an advantage to his bones.

 

[Ramen]

willaim and damnatio vs zenon

Zenon with pure ease.

William is a non-factor and while Damntio's magic is haxy, he hasn't shown enough to compete with someone like Zenon.

Loro(if she wasn't a support mage) vs 70% vanica(without megicula helping)

Not sure. I guess could go either way.

jack and yono vs zenon.

I'm assuming you mean Yuno? Again Zenon with ease. You need multiple captains to even stand a chance against him. He can generate bones faster than Yuno's wind could cut even with Sylph.

Plus he has spatial magic as well? GG

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DT vs all captains?

 

[HereNThere]

Loro(if she wasn't a support mage) vs 70% vanica(without megicula helping)

There's no real way to determine this since we don't have any real idea of Loro's offensive capabilities. Leaning towards Vanica as, while her powers are slightly debuffed, it didn't seem to be enough to render her a non threat.

jack and yuno vs zenon.

Jack would be the key factor. But it's a race against time as they'd need to survive long enough for Jack's blades to adapt and I doubt they'd make it.

DT vs all captains?

Dark Triad probably. Megicula's curses is just too hax from what we've seen.

Yami, Dorothy, and Jack are probably their best bet. We don't know her limitations though. It's implied that her magic has a bit of immunity from Megicula, but we don't know if she can contain an actual Devil.

Plus, we don't know the true abilities of Zenon's spatial magic. If he can create or control pocket dimensions, he might be able to break into or out of Glamour World.

Everyone else will be varying levels of useful.

 

[Ramen]

Dark Triad probably. Megicula's curses is just too hax from what we've seen.

Yami, Dorothy, and Jack are probably their best bet. We don't know her limitations though. It's implied that her magic has a bit of immunity from Megicula, but we don't know if she can contain an actual Devil.

Plus, we don't know the true abilities of Zenon's spatial magic. If he can create or control pocket dimensions, he might be able to break into or out of Glamour World.

Everyone else will be varying levels of useful.

Why would Jack be up there? He's one of the strongest captains but all he does is cut.


Ok, what if I added Gaja, Damnatio, Black Asta and Yuno? Would it be a little more fair? This is assuming everyone is at full power (or rather what we can infer full power is).