Discussion Blackbeard's Strength

[RichardMNixon]

Thank you. For God's sake: Blackbeard is not a god.
Where is the 3 vs. 1 discussion? I believe while people agree with each other, I think everyone has their own unique opinion.

Hahaha

Rotten, Razh, and Lord Rayleigh had been arguing with me that Blackbeard would get killed instantly by Enel or Mihawk, then Phase and Blackhair stepped in to defend BB at which point Razh and Lord Rayleigh disappeared; sent it from 3vs1 to 1vs3.

Rotten was being sarcastic. We're not saying Blackbeard could take on the Florian Triangle monster and all three admirals at once. We're saying he's got much thicker skin and a much stronger punch than you're giving him credit for, easily putting him in the top 5 or 10 powerwise in the series.

I'd agree that Whitebeard could beat him, possibly the admirals and Mihawk as well but it would only be by a hair. We haven't see much of the yonkou so I can't speak for them.

 

[beastboy]

Oh well, I think that BB isn't kenpaichi or anything else to survive a direct hit of mihawk in the chest(zoro survived because mihawk wanted him to survive), he would probably try to evade it,but those fire lances are not toy so I assume is endurance is not normal, maybe equal to zoro or higher.

But in terms of strength and fighting hability he isn't the best shihibukai, but is Akuma no Mi is the best logia, and he fought with shanks without is akuma no mi (because ace wasn't a pirate when shanks was in the village, and he is after teach since he ate them), and shanks had the both arms (I think that he is stronger now, and that was just for honor that mihawk didn't fought him but when you hold a sword with both hands the strength is doubled) so now he is at an almost admiral rank, and he will reach it when he master is DF (aokiji has his when robin was a kid)!


My conclusion is:
BB isn't a god for now, but is in is way for it.


Side Note:
I believe he will not be the last vilain, don flamingo and the dreams look a lot more plausible for the end!

ps: Sorry for the bad english, but I'm portuguese, and BTW is my first post.

 

[Rotten The Wizard]

I know this thread is about "blackbeards strength" but what do you guys think his next move is?

We know he has a master plan. THe first step was to get the DF, second was to become a shichibukai.
It looks more to me like He only became a shichibukai to take cover under the WG.
Now there has to be an alterior motive here.
I was thinking that maybe he would gather his own fleet while hinding under the WG but I dont think the WG is stupid enough to allow the shichibukai to build up their crew/fleet right under their noses.

Any theories? Im drawing blanks on this one

 

[Gecko Moria]

I know this thread is about "blackbeards strength" but what do you guys think his next move is?

We know he has a master plan. THe first step was to get the DF, second was to become a shichibukai.
It looks more to me like He only became a shichibukai to take cover under the WG.
Now there has to be an alterior motive here.
I was thinking that maybe he would gather his own fleet while hinding under the WG but I dont think the WG is stupid enough to allow the shichibukai to build up their crew/fleet right under their noses.

Any theories? Im drawing blanks on this one

Firstly, to clear up any confusion I do not think Blackbeard is weak and I would also place him in the Top 10 Most Power People in One Piece category . However, I also do not think he is unbeatable like some people do >.>, characters like the Admirals (2 of them at least), Whitebeard, Kuma etc. I would place above him. It is also my opinion that Mihawk is stronger than him purely because I believe that a gigantic and deadly sword being wielded by the greatest swordsman in the world can overcome a strong man with brute strength.

The World Government is idiotic enough to allow the Shichibukai to bulid up a massive army under their eyes. For example: Crocodile and Baroque Works, Gecko Moria and the Thriller Bark's zombie army. This has been mentioned before, but it may also be that the World Government intentionally turned a blind eye if they decided it didn't seem threatening.

 

[Dice]

I always thought that Blackbeard will get more crew members and in the end he will have something like an anti strawhatcrew (though something like that isn't that unique^^). Right now he definitly has an obvious counterparty for Chopper and for Ussop.
If he gets more members I don't think that there will only be new characters. Maybe a supernova or another character we know already (if it would be a supernova than the crew of said supernova should fall someday).

 

[RichardMNixon]

I think most of his original motivation for becoming a Schichibukai is because he isn't ready yet to take Whitebeard by himself. With the WG's help now though, he might go for it and try to topple the Pirate Prince.

 

[dRizzit]

Re: Blackbeard's strenght

If Blackbeard has shown all his powers I think luffy could beat him right now... he beat Ace just by punching him and punches don't affect luffy unless they are as strong as Garp's, but I'm not sure wether he has already shown everything

I thought Garp used haki when he punched Luffy? Well, havent got any facts there.

 

[BlackHair]

Beside the remaining Yonko (Shanks, Kaido, xxx), I believe no other pirate crew could stand against the WhiteBeard pirates on a equal level. So by joining the WG, BB has now backup to fight the WB. Also as now a Shichi he could aim for the throne without having the marine tailing his ass. Well, Imo its anti-shounen like sneaky method, but that teethless bastard knows how to move.

On the history note, the crew that killed the real Blackbeard reported to have shot him five times and given him twenty "dismal cuts in several parts of his body". He didn't die until they finally cut off his head.

Didn't know that. Learned sth new lol

If Blackbeard has shown all his powers I think luffy could beat him right now... he beat Ace just by punching him and punches don't affect luffy unless they are as strong as Garp's, but I'm not sure wether he has already shown everything

I thought Garp used haki when he punched Luffy? Well, havent got any facts there.

BB's fruit is way superior than Haki. Otherwise his logia fruit with a all time physical body is meaningless.

 

[Rotten The Wizard]

BB's fruit is way superior than Haki. Otherwise his logia fruit with a all time physical body is meaningless.

lol
Thats a false claim. Even though we dont even know that much about haki yet. But from where I'm sitting Haki is a better weapon.

BB's fruit is better for mass destruction. When it comes down to fights Haki is clearly a better weapon, with BB's fruit its like going after a musquito with a bazooka

 

[BlackHair]

Well BB's fruit can cancel DF completely. While haki can only neutralize intangibility (logia phyiscal body, para physical body (rubber etc)). On both cases u have to touch the opponent.

About haki's next movement prediction, well it will only help fighting equal or weaker opponents, but not superior. Though even with prediction, it won't help fighting some1 who can use gravity.

Anyway, beside those groupings (kings haki etc), I think we already have good a clear picture of haki. Correct me if Im wrong here. I think the purpose of haki is a) to fight df user as a non df user and b) tu burst ur own strengths.

 

[kkck]

The movement prediction ability haki apparently gives you (sharingan knockoff anyone?) would probably be cancelled when you fight someone with haki or with a similar prediction ability though. For instance I doubt the recent WB vs Shanks incident carried on infinitely because WB and shanks were able to predict what the other was gonna do....

 

[Rotten The Wizard]

and Given the fact that BB's DF is just that a DF. Meaning put seastone handcuffs on him and he's your bitch,or push him overboard, or use seastone weapons

And going by observation on Rayleigh, Haki users can break out of those(seastone handcuffs), that's why Kizaru was bitching and moaning about Rayleigh intervening

 

[RichardMNixon]

(sharingan knockoff anyone?)

Which would then just have been a mantra knockoff. It's hardly a unique enough power to claim it was stolen anyhow.

I don't think we know enough about haki or the yami yami no mi to objectively compare them. I would hope that the DF can do something haki can't though, otherwise it would be pretty lame.

 

[Gecko Moria]

and Given the fact that BB's DF is just that a DF. Meaning put seastone handcuffs on him and he's your bitch,or push him overboard, or use seastone weapons

And going by observation on Rayleigh, Haki users can break out of those(seastone handcuffs), that's why Kizaru was bitching and moaning about Rayleigh intervening

Blackbeard would not be completely useless without his DF powers. You're forgetting about his tremendous strength. He might even be able to break out of the seastone handcuffs. And although seastone weapons may nullify his DF abilities, we know that he is still experienced in melee combat (from his battle with Shanks). Blackbeard doesn't really use his DF powers for defence (one of the reasons being he can't let attacks pass through him) and because he has superhuman strength, seastone weapons are not that great of a deal to him. However, if you can puss him into the sea, he is finished (his DF power does not allow him the power of flight, unlike many other logias).

I don't think we know enough about haki or the yami yami no mi to objectively compare them. I would hope that the DF can do something haki can't though, otherwise it would be pretty lame.

The Yami Yami No Mi can already do things Hakican not do. For example, the ability to draw things in, control gravity etc.

 

[BlackHair]

And going by observation on Rayleigh, Haki users can break out of those(seastone handcuffs), that's why Kizaru was bitching and moaning about Rayleigh intervening

Kiz was bitching coz Ray stepped in while he was dealing with the SHs. and what do u mean by handcuffed, Ray etc? Didn't get that part.

Yes DF has a common weakness, but I thought we were comparing haki with the darkness fruit. Anyway I still think BB's fruit is better than haki, since gravity is such a huge weapon.

Blackbeard would not be completely useless without his DF powers. You're forgetting about his tremendous strength. He might even be able to break out of the seastone handcuffs. [..]

Apart from nullifying the DF ability, it also draws away the human strengths. For example, as Luffy touched the cage in Rainbase, Alabasta he couldn't even stand. So I don't think BB could fight back. But on the other hand, Robin was able to walk with her handcuffs, so Im not sure on this lol

Just noticed we are stepping into "haki" discussion.

 

[Phase]

and Given the fact that BB's DF is just that a DF. Meaning put seastone handcuffs on him and he's your bitch,or push him overboard, or use seastone weapons

And going by observation on Rayleigh, Haki users can break out of those(seastone handcuffs), that's why Kizaru was bitching and moaning about Rayleigh intervening

Even if this is true (and I have no idea what makes you think that it is), I get the impression that Rayleigh isn't a DF user himself. I could be wrong, but that's the impression that I get since he wasn't doing anything abnormal against Kizaru. It's not like he was in a position to be holding back.

There's a point to what I just said actually. Seastone WEAKENS people with DF powers. Therefore, someone without DF powers to begin with would be much more capable of breaking themselves free than someone with DF powers. Since BB has DF powers, I would assume that seastone handcuffs would weaken him to the point where he'd be unable to break free (assuming he'd even be able to in the first place).

 

[Dice]

I'm really curious if there is a limit of the things he can suck in (if there is one it's still quite much he can suck in). Just imagine him sucking in sea water en masse.

And while he won't be able to do a thing if you throw him into the sea he' still quite strong in a seafight since he can easily rip a ship apart.

 

[Gecko Moria]

I'm really curious if there is a limit of the things he can suck in (if there is one it's still quite much he can suck in). Just imagine him sucking in sea water en masse.

And while he won't be able to do a thing if you throw him into the sea he' still quite strong in a seafight since he can easily rip a ship apart.

Hew can easily rip a ship apart but he still needs something to stand on afterwards (otherwise he'll drown since he can't swim).

As to the limit of things he can suck in, I don't think there is any. Black holes absorb everything, even light and since his power is parallel to that of a black hole the reasoning should be the same.

However, his power to draw things in can be exploited to his opponenets advantage. For example, here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/14/. Ace fired his fire lances at Blackbeard and he was forced to shut off his power to draw things in by closing his hand. Even so, he still wasn't fast enough to dodge the attack.

 

[bittman]

Well I'm a bit of a die-hard Blackbeard fan, so anything you hear from me will just be promoting him as the final boss, etc.

Though like all topics that talk about a character's strength when we really have not seen the true extent of it, this will all be 90% hypothetical.

But yeah, any point I have I said in the "Who is the final villain?" topic with my essay post. Too lazy to pull up a link atm =P

 

[Gecko Moria]

Well I'm a bit of a die-hard Blackbeard fan, so anything you hear from me will just be promoting him as the final boss, etc.

Though like all topics that talk about a character's strength when we really have not seen the true extent of it, this will all be 90% hypothetical.

But yeah, any point I have I said in the "Who is the final villain?" topic with my essay post. Too lazy to pull up a link atm =P

There's nothing wrong with a bit of sensible hypothesizing, it promotes discussion. And I think Blackbeard will be the last opponent as well.

A new discussion point: What is your opinion of the role Blackbeard is going to play in this up-coming war? Other than the obvious: "he's going to fight in it"