Shounen Chainsaw Man by Tatsuki Fujimoto

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I don't know what Fujimoto has or hasn't said, I have only read the manga itself. If it's ending, then that's it, but to be honest, that's the worse of the two possibilities. I don't like this as an ending arc. Too rushed.
That just the creator's idea, because I felt like he isn't in fond of strategy fights or logical explaination or lore for some stuffs
The plotpoint from there isn't rush at all but yeah this is probably a good explaination, he technically can't goes off with logic on his work, he just does whatever twist he likes
 

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I don't know what Fujimoto has or hasn't said, I have only read the manga itself. If it's ending, then that's it, but to be honest, that's the worse of the two possibilities. I don't like this as an ending arc. Too rushed.
CSM always had a very fast pacing but I don't see how this is rushed. If you reread from the start you can see Fujimoto has been slowly building up to these events from the very beginning. After last volumes events there was nothing else left to cover other than Makima's grand plan
 

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That just the creator's idea, because I felt like he isn't in fond of strategy fights or logical explaination or lore for some stuffs
The plotpoint from there isn't rush at all but yeah this is probably a good explaination, he technically can't goes off with logic on his work, he just does whatever twist he likes
There has been a certain amount of logic and credibility up to this point. I don't dislike the sudden power levels but there are things that he should really explain, expecially about Chainsaw Man himself.

CSM always had a very fast pacing but I don't see how this is rushed. If you reread from the start you can see Fujimoto has been slowly building up to these events from the very beginning. After last volumes events there was nothing else left to cover other than Makima's grand plan
We might simply disagree on this.

It feels rushed to me because yes, everything has been slowly building up to Makima's plan, but it also had been slowly building up to the Gun Devil fight, and we suddenly jumped from a slow pace to a rush hour pace since the moment Makima went to face the Gun Devil to now.
The pacing changed entirely out of nowhere.

I don't dislike the pacing if it's a transition arc before a different arc that resumes the usual pacing. The twists and the strengths and powers are okay (other than CM needing some serious explaining). If it's the ending, however, I don't like the pacing because the series is going to end, changing out of nowhere into a rhythm that's extremely different from the normal pacing that has accompanied the manga from the start.

This is subjective, but if this leads to the ending, then I don't like it.
 

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It feels rushed to me because yes, everything has been slowly building up to Makima's plan, but it also had been slowly building up to the Gun Devil fight, and we suddenly jumped from a slow pace to a rush hour pace since the moment Makima went to face the Gun Devil to now.
The pacing changed entirely out of nowhere.
That's the whole point though. The operation against the Gun Devil was just a fake scenario Makima created and was manipulating just like the friendship between Denji, Aki and Power. That's the main twist of the manga. This story wasn't about Denji gaining a brand new life where he fights against evil devils and makes new friends like a regular shounen mc. It was about Makima creating that whole fake premise just to completely destroy it for her own plans
 

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That's the whole point though. The operation against the Gun Devil was just a fake scenario Makima created and was manipulating just like the friendship between Denji, Aki and Power. That's the main twist of the manga. This story wasn't about Denji gaining a brand new life where he fights against evil devils and makes new friends like a regular shounen mc. It was about Makima creating that whole fake premise just to completely destroy it for her own plans
I'm not complaining about the twists, I'm clomplaining about everything being too suddenly fast.
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And, once again, only is it's the pace for the ending. It is okay if it's not leading to the end.
 

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Japanese summary

TVニュースの続き
インタビューでチェンソーマンに助られた
チェンソーマンはヒーローです
チェンソーマン。チェンソーマン。と喝采

鎖につながれた天使が空に消える
マキマさn<千年使用
空に黒い球体みたいのが現れて
閃光がコベニに
それをチェンソーマンが庇って
マキマさん<あーあ・・・

Ok as usual please, take everything with a grain of salt, what i get roughly is that theres news on tv, and people are cheering CSM , seems people treat him like a hero.
Angel who was chained with makima disappeared in the sky !? i dont get exactly that part, but seemingly a flash of light was aimed or stroke Kobeni after a black sphere appeared in the sky !?
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So I guess the whole thing is that Makima wants to die/end her current existance?
 

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Only in chainsawman can love be the ultimate weakness lol.
 

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All of a sudden the recent chapters start to make sense. Amazing.
 

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I am late to the party.

I still don't understand what are Makima's motives really... But I do hope the next chapters will expand on that
 

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I still don't get Makima's character. She makes no sense.
 

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How calm she is. What her motives are. All of the above.

She explained her motives very clearly in chapters 82 and 84. How do they not make sense??

Her being calm makes perfect sense too. She is literally unkillable so she has nothing to worry about. Only way she can die is if CSM eats her which would still be a good outcome for her due to her desire to become part of CSM.

It is fine for someone to not be a fan of the character but it is factually incorrect that she "makes no sense". Fujimoto wasn't even remotely ambiguous about her powers/motivations like Santa Claus. Pretty much everything about Makima has been info dumped so I don't get how some are confused about it at all.
 

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She explained her motives very clearly in chapters 82 and 84. How does it not make sense??

Her being calm makes perfect sense too. She is literally unkillable so she has nothing to worry about. Only way she can die is if CSM eats her which would still be a good outcome for her due to her desire to become part of CSM.

It is fine for someone to not be a fan of the character but it is factually incorrect that she "makes no sense". Fujimoto wasn't even remotely ambiguous about her powers/motivations like Santa Claus. Pretty much everything about Makima has been info dumped so I don't get how some are confused about it at all.
Meh, still confused. Haven't come across a character like this before.
 

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Meh, still confused. Haven't come across a character like this before.
Then you are just not paying attention. Her character makes perfect sense. The one character that's confusing right now is the Chainsawman but it can still be explained in the upcoming chapters.
 

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Then you are just not paying attention. Her character makes perfect sense. The one character that's confusing right now is the Chainsawman but it can still be explained in the upcoming chapters.
Damn....that's tough. Better luck next time.
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Makima pulled a Saitama with her finger blasts:XD
 

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She explained her motives very clearly in chapters 82 and 84. How do they not make sense??

Her being calm makes perfect sense too. She is literally unkillable so she has nothing to worry about. Only way she can die is if CSM eats her which would still be a good outcome for her due to her desire to become part of CSM.
Actually, reading your post just made me think - what does happen if CSM eats Makima? She ceases to exist, and the word "control" goes with her? In that case, what happens to the world? Does control as a whole concept just vanish? I wonder what that looks like - would everything, from government, to dog training, to TV remotes just halt?
 

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Actually, reading your post just made me think - what does happen if CSM eats Makima? She ceases to exist, and the word "control" goes with her? In that case, what happens to the world? Does control as a whole concept just vanish? I wonder what that looks like - would everything, from government, to dog training, to TV remotes just halt?
Was it control or dominance? I don't think remotes would stop working, but people would somehow be unable to dominate oneanother. The idea of domination would cease to exist
 

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Was it control or dominance? I don't think remotes would stop working, but people would somehow be unable to dominate oneanother. The idea of domination would cease to exist
AFAIK it is "control", but translation being what it is, dominance is probably more accurate, yeah. In that case - there are gonna be some sexually frustrated people out there lol. But yeah, depending on how gradual the change is it could be quite an impactful event. Criminal gangs, employers and employees, all kinds of social structures could potentially break down. It's interesting that as the dominance devil Makima is less concerned with that than with her interest in Chainsaw.
 
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