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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Okay thx goral :) I was reading the onemanga trans. It still is impressive, but nearly as. Now it makes much more sense. I found C-net's trans, which said about the same thing as 10sighs.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

We don't know if she released more youki to reattach her hands. She did release her youki during this fight, in spite of being on suppressant. Clarice tells her to release her youki, which she does, and this causes Agatha to start her rampage in the first place. I don't know whether releasing her youki helps get rid of the side effects of the suppressant and allows her to sense youki as well, but at least it's clearly not impossible to release youki while on medication.

On the subject of youki release and suppressant... When Clare first comes to Rabona with Raki, she tells him that the medicine only lasts for about half a day (v2 page 52), yet after she gets injured in the first fight, she sleeps for 2 days. After such a long time, shouldn't she be able to tell where the yoma is without going thru all this trouble of calling the priests and touching them one by one? Her eyes at that time also clearly show that she's no longer on the medicine...


I was reading the onemanga trans.
Wow, that page (ch77, page 16) is terrible. It also says "Don't run away" instead of "Don't die"... almost the opposite...

Kind of fun to look at all the different translations of this page, they all have errors (I found one in my own translation too, just fixed it).
 
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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Okay thx goral :) I was reading the onemanga trans. It still is impressive, but nearly as. Now it makes much more sense. I found C-net's trans, which said about the same thing as 10sighs.
The images of the chapter also support the conclusion that she regenerated, which means there was a significant disconnect between the writing and drawing efforts. In one panel, Miata is missing a huge chunk of flesh in her left wrist. She also had a vambrace on her right arm. Both of these are absent when her arms are reattached, and that would support the conclusion that she regenerated, regardless of the variation in translations.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Well, of course we don't know for certain that she reattached her arms. That's merely what Agatha thought she did.

The images in the chapter look almost as if she regenerated, but if you look closely, her hands look normal, only her arms look weird. Maybe in the process of reattaching her hands, she had to regenerate part of her arms as well - they looked as if some chunks were missing even before the hands were torn off.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Think of it as one legend ending to create the next legend. It hurts... slightly... less.

I also like to live in denial, as I believe Teresa will make a reappearance in some form from inside Clare.
Lets all hope she does. It will nice to see her a again in some form.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

(...) We don't know if she released more youki to reattach her hands. She did release her youki during this fight, in spite of being on suppressant. Clarice tells her to release her youki, which she does, and this causes Agatha to start her rampage in the first place. I don't know whether releasing her youki helps get rid of the side effects of the suppressant and allows her to sense youki as well, but at least it's clearly not impossible to release youki while on medication. (...)
You're right about the pills, it's been too long since I've last read this chapter and I forgot that Miata released her youki earlier. I remembered though that it's possible to release youki while being on pills and even wondered on animesuki why Clarice didn't release her youki when her sword was stuck in the tree and she was about to die. She preferred to obey organization's rules instead of escaping. Unless she was too weak to overcome the pill's effect or too scared of MiB.
I'm quite certain though that Miata didn't regenerate her whole wrists. Maybe some chunks as you wrote but that's it. For regeneration she would have to use more youki than for "simple" reattachment and unless she would be defensive type of warrior such action would significantly weaken her (because her wrists would become like human ones). Agatha would notice if she released quite high amounts of youki since that was the reason why she revealed herself.
It could also be that Miata is a special case, a combo of defensive and offensive type of warriors, maybe a prototype of ZACS (Abyss Feeders), although I highly doubt it.

As for the pills, if these suppressants are powerful enough to seal youki completely, why then organization didn't use sth like this to prevent awakening, even if they couldn't force almost awakened claymores to swallow them, injections would do the role, or sth like Indians with his blowpipes and curare (I emphasize word "almost", because awakened being would have too tough skin to make that possible). It should at least weaken the flow of youki. Instead of black cards Claymores should have suppressant pill in their swords (and that way they wouldn't even have to send black cards). Unless it doesn't work when the flow started, but then they're smart, they could develop next version of these pills :-).
 
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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

As for the pills, if these suppressants are powerful enough to seal youki completely, why then organization didn't use sth like this to prevent awakening,
Well, if we are to believe Miria's conspiracy theories, the organization isn't really interested in preventing awakenings, or at least for the longest time they weren't. Notice how the org wanted to punish Teresa for killing humans, but if a warrior awakenes and then kills humans, the organization doesn't care unless a request comes in.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Yeah, I know that. I thought it was an interesting idea so I wrote it :). MiB prefer that claymores don't live too long and suppressant pills would make this harder to happen. On the other hand Rubel gave quite a bunch of it to Clare (far more than she needed for her mission) and didn't seem to care whether she gave the rest back or not. But he's Rubel so maybe he wished that Clare would rebel and go her own path. The same goes for Pieta mission, how come did Miria acquire such large quantity of these pills?
Also, in some cases it would still be better to give the pills rather than have another AO to handle ("thank god we've completed Alicia in time"). For that reason I doubt that MiB had these pills before Teresa was killed, I think they would prefer to not create a monster of Priscilla's magnitude. Of course it could be that they were underestimating Teresa (they thought that Priscilla could handle her without releasing any/not much youki) and/or Priscilla (they thought that even if she awakened she wouldn't be stronger than AO) and didn't even bother to give her pills in case sth happened.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Hey where can I download the manga? I have upto 93 chapters but It dosent have extra scenes 1 to 4.

can anyone please pm me were I can get the extra scenes?
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

I'm guessing that the pills merely do articially the same as what happens when Claymores naturally suppress or don't use their yoki for years like (exiled/banished) Rafaela, (deserters/awol/hiding) Irene and Galatea, and (ghosts) Miria, Cynthia, Deneve, Helen, Tabatha, Yuma, and Clare.

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i guess that the pills had worn off by the time/during Miata's battle with Galatea/Agatha, allowing her to use her yoki.

OR, Miata used her sheer raw physical power to over-ride the pills and release her yoki...

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If Miata did actually regenerate (and not merely re-attached her hands)...

I think Miata is like Priscilla, neither of them actually regenerate per se, but their sheer amount of power/energy has a side effect similar to regeneration.

Though, the manga doesn't show the level of reaction if this is true of Miata, like it showed with Isley+Rigardo, when Priscilla's horn and rest of her damaged/destroyed body suddenly was whole/"re-appeared"... and then Priscila's "oozing" tentacles nearly annihilated Isley. "half his body destroyed in an instant".

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could not the yoki suppression pills be a cure, as well as prevention, for Awakening/Awakened?

Awakening is prevented by reducing the yoki release. Galatea helps Clare reduce her yoki, preventing her from Awakening during the witches maw chapters. Clare then does the same for Awakening Jean in during the same witches maw chapters. Jean then does the same for Awakening Clare after she killed Rigardo in the Pieta battle.

so wouldn't the yoki suppression pills be great for this?


also, there's the possibility that the MiBs are male claymores as they've been living for at least 100 years... yet they haven't awakened like the rest of the male Claymores... yoki suppression pills?

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about Priscilla:

she's exactly the same power now in chapter 99 as when she awakened after decapitating Teresa so long ago.

maybe, she's learned to use her awakened body and its powers/abilities more, but there's no indication that she is more powerful.

She certainly wasn't very serious against Irene, Noel, and Sophia, compared to her now against Alicia+Beth and Dauf+Riful.

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i got a theory/idea that once (permanent) awakening occurs, they can no longer improve or get more powerful.

for example, if they could.... wouldn't isley (the oldest) be at least as powerful as priscilla is now?


my idea is that the yoma mind is limited, whereas the human mind isn't. the human mind enables the being to improve and become more powerful. when actual (permanent or succesful or completed) awakening occurs, the mind is taken over by the yoma half, becoming a yoma mind. this yoma mind prevents the being from improving and becoming more powerful.

whereas, Claymores and Half Awakens, still have their minds controled by their human half. they still have human minds, allowing them to improve and become more powerful.

my understanding:

a Claymore's body is a body made up of half human and half yoma. HOWEVER, in using/releasing yoki, the yoma half is activated and it takes over or over-takes the human half, and changes into the body of a yoma, which enables greater powers and abilities.

0% yoki = original human colored eyes (ONLY achievable through yoki suppression pills, years of not using/releasing yoki, or actually being a human, lol, and not a Claymore)

1-9% yoki = silver eyes (Claymore eyes)

10-29% yoki = golden/yelow eyes (Awakened eyes)

30-49% yoki = changing face (Awakened face)

50-79% yoki = changing body (Awakened body)

80% yoki = Awakening process (Awakening brain/mind)

80-100% = Awakened Being / Awakened One (Fully Awakened body, including especially the brain/mind. NO longer a "human minded" Claymore)

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Priscilla is actually quite interesting...

her body seems to be similar to Riful's

if you look at ch 98 page 29 where Priscilla is battling Alicia+Beth, Priscilla gets damaged and you can see that inside her body (like her back and right lower leg) seems to be a mass of tentacles inside... (unless, that's just her regenerating...)
 
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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

my idea is that the yoma mind is limited, whereas the human mind isn't. the human mind enables the being to improve and become more powerful. when actual (permanent or successful or completed) awakening occurs, the mind is taken over by the yoma half, becoming a yoma mind. this yoma mind prevents the being from improving and becoming more powerful.

whereas, Claymores and Half Awakens, still have their minds controled by their human half. they still have human minds, allowing them to improve and become more powerful.
Hhm, "the yoma mind is limited" is putting it rather mildly... Why is it though that Priscilla and the Abyssal ones, and other strong awakened beings seem more human / intelligent than the weak ones? Or maybe other yoma are also quite intelligent and it just doesn't come across in the "gyaa" or whatever they usually say...
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Just 4 the lulz (U think I'm a CM-Fanboy?^^):
Started with my tattoo today (or better to say my tattoo-artist started :).


He just did the outlines today, the foto is not really sharp, and Clare is full of lotion (she gotta heal, ain't she? xD), so it doesn't look perfect YET, but after the shadowings (sp?) are done, it should be pretty nice, I guess.
Next week, he's going to do the Claymore, and he begins with the shadows...I know I'm a bit crazy, but I just love this picture.
 
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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Now that's some dedication right there. Hope you don't end up having too much difficulty explaining that to people you encounter when you're not wearing pants.
 

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Re: Claymore 102 Discussion/103 Predictions

does anyone know how long Claymore manga is going to be?

has Yagi said how long Claymore will be?

is Claymore nearing the end or do we have many more chapters left?
 

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Re: Claymore 102 Discussion/103 Predictions

According to some sources, Yagi has released a while ago itnervista where among other things talks about what would last claymore. He intends to close on the manga volumes 24-26.
 

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Re: Claymore 102 Discussion/103 Predictions

could you "convert" volumes into chapter length for me?

(i don't really understand how long volumes are)

how many chapters are in a volume?

or

what chapter # is Claymore suppose to end on?

chapter 150? chapter ~110 (aka very soon)? chapter 200?
 
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Re: Claymore 102 Discussion/103 Predictions

If it's true then it would be about 140-150 chapters since 13th volume ended with 73rd chapter.
 

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Re: Claymore 102 Discussion/103 Predictions

ah thanks. i personally hope Claymore would go on forever like naruto and one piece, lol.

(they're like what chapter 300-400 or something now... I would just love Claymore reaching chapter 300-400, though it would have to be made weekly... as I or yagi might die first if it went 300-400 chapters only 1 per month lol)

but chapter 140-150 at least leaves quite a lot to still happen in Claymore, which is good :D
 
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Re: Claymore 102 Discussion/103 Predictions

1 Volume = 6 Chapter..... so....140-150 chapters to the end of Claymore Manga!
 

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Re: Claymore 102 Discussion/103 Predictions

So Chapter 150 huh...only about 40 chapters left...thats not all that bad I guess but it means we probably won't reach anything outside that little island. Ending with the ghost destroying organisation, rescuing Raki (or he might die, who knows), and them lot losing the war. Brilliant.
 
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