Shounen Claymore by Norihiro Yagi

[gernot]

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"Only" 150 chapters :-) We just have to hold out for another 4 years. But that should give Yagi-Sensei enough time to change his mind and continue after all...

 

[Akiyama]

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From http://www.s-manga.net/newcomic/index201007.html
CLAYMORE画集 Memorabilia - ¥3,990 - July 2nd

That's an expensive art book. ^_^

 

[naruttom]

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I started claymore about week and half before..went thru it crazily..really nice and different story, and i find the art to be particularly awesome..such details and easily understandable and perceptible delineation!...
i particularly like the characters:
Teresa
Galatea
and Helen for her attitude, carefree and a little amusing which is good in such a dark and gory world this manga is set in...

 

[baboysai]

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so naruttom, have you caught up to the latest chapter?

anyway, random question guys. Do you think that Teresa is the strongest (no. 1) claymore ever? with this I'm not gonna count fully awakened states, and merges like twins and stuff.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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(Claymore) Teresa *IS* the ultimate being of all time on the island, without any restrictions (aka compared to any type of any character). And that's not even needing to regard Awakened Teresa, lol. As Awakened Teresa's power would be so colossal, that it is simply unfathomable for us to comprehend!

(Awakened) Priscilla is the runner up (but is currently the #1 top still living being), at ~1/8 of Teresa's power.

(80% or more yoki Awakening "Orcish" Priscilla just slightly exceeded Teresa at only 10% yoki. If Teresa had raised her yoki to 20% or 30% or if you really want to stretch it 50%, instead of lowering it back below 10%, Claymore Teresa would have pwned even latest chapters fully Awakened Priscilla with total ease)

But, will Priscilla be surpassed (or at least "beaten or dealt with"), though? Clare, the Destroyer, "Clare-Destroyer", Miata, hordes/legions of the AFs/AEs from the Organization, the Black Coats reveal themselves to be powerful beings, the Dragons from the continent, or even Raki?

 

[baboysai]

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I don't think Raki has a chance, when we discuss strength or ability.

But I think he has a good deal of emotional or psychological influence on Priscilla to disturb her or stop her from wreaking havoc.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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well the prevailing-popular speculation is that Raki will be made into a super "final boss" of the Organization, via through the Destroyer's infectious small rods in his shoulder and the Organization implanting whatever other flesh into him as well.

Thus, this "could" instantly make Raki even more powerful then Priscilla... (somehow...) ... lol....

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as should be "seen", I myself am not too fond of this nor entertaining this as even a possibilty, lol.

but, it's very popular amongst many other people.

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if interested, my own theory of how Priscilla will be "dealt with" is:

Clare will "de-Awaken" Priscilla back into a Claymore. (but, then as to what happens, I've no idea, lol)

(if you are interested, I can go into more detail and supporting evidence that seems to at least somewhat suggest this outcome/method of this theory of mine)

 

[baboysai]

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that's interesting hege-san, but i think it's better to discuss in detail in the specific threads, or you can start a new one for your theory.

 

[Kaiten]

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There's a new feature for the Claymore forum: Like the D. Gray Man, Psyren, and Reborn forums, old chapters and reviews can now be found in the chapter and reviews archive. The threads are still open, everyone is still welcome to post,

 

[gnut]

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guys i just finished watching claymore anime thru for the second time;i know i know lol.didn't notice the first time thru,but raki is such a snivelling little bitch,crying and sobbing about everything.i did catch a convo with the org when it was mentioned that clare was the first to be human mixed with a claymore.think this was the org's intent on fighting ABs but now she fights againsts them???????

 

[HegemonKhan]

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in the anime, Rubel does chat with Raki about Claymores and Clare.

(I believe it is in episode 2 in the inn, Rubel is coming down the stairs as he talks to Raki on the first floor, which prompts Raki to run after Clare on her Elena black card mission, thinking that it is Clare whom is Awakening and going to be executed, lol)

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ALL Claymores are "made" from implanting humans with normal yoma flesh. So, Clare is not the first, lol. Actually for the anime, Clare is the LAST Claymore to be created. Clare's the youngest/newest Claymore, as there is no after Pieta Battle in the anime with Clarice's Era of Claymores.

(except Clare, whom was implanted with a Claymore's flesh, Teresa's flesh from her head, lol)

However, Clare is the FIRST and LAST (ONLY) human to desire/want to be made into Claymore, whom also actually even searched for a Black Coat to DEMAND to be made into a Claymore.

(you go little human girl Clare, demand Rubel to make you into a Claymore, using flesh from Teresa's head !!!! hehe)

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yes, in the manga, it is revealed that Miria's suspicions of the Organization are true. This causes the 7 surviving Claymores to vow vengence on the Organization (as their fallen 17 fellow Claymores in the Pieta Battle was the "last straw").

 

[Godeye_Galatea]

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I don't know if this is the right thread to post this. Correct me if I'm wrong Mods. But there was just this one thought I would like to ask: Why does Claymore had few fans?

For me this is the best manga I have ever read! I really like the story, the characters, the plot and most of all the awesome twists! It is an epic tale to be honest. But those are just my opinions based on my standards.

Most people prefer Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and other very popular stories over Claymore. All of my RL friends that likes manga and anime actually never shows interest in Claymore. They really prefer those other much popular ones. And even in the web it shows how the masses prefer them over Claymore.

I have read and seen these popular stories and I do admit they are good too but I still prefer Claymore over them. Now, I was just thinking maybe I'm missing something?

Or maybe the fans are just hiding somewhere?

Just my thoughts.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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naw, this thread is just for such a question. it's a general thread to discuss general claymore stuff and somewhat chat with each other too.

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my limited (and maybe ignorant/prejudice) understanding:

over in Japan, this isn't too popular, at least compared with the "big 3" (naruto, bleach, and one piece), as it is much more european'ish of a manga.

in the "west" (america/europe) it's split, depending whether the person is into medieval europe/fantasy type stuff or not.

however, at least in the U.S., our (anime) media that has Claymore lisenced, don't realize how "popular" Claymore is, and so they air it far less then the other anime. Also, we in the U.S. still aren't really used to non-kiddish "cartoons" (anime) yet (especially the older generations anyways), so Claymore being a bit violent (and with its brief nudity) is only aired late at night as well. all of these things hurt it's publicity and popularity here in the U.S.

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I too LOVE Claymore, it my FAV, lol

(I'm one of those persons, whom LOVES medieval europe and fantasy stuff, so this was like a dream come true for me! medieval europe/fantasy + hot blonde battle babes - norse valkyries in paladin like armor that are hardcore in serious business of killing stuff!, these girls kick.. bottom, and are HAWT! RAWR!)

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as for the manga:


it being a monthly manga... annoys everyone, though I wouldn't personally want it to be a weekly if it's quality would drop off!


as for buying it in the U.S. :

individually it's not that expensive, but if you wanna actually buy all the volumes... its quite a bit of money...

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well with younger viewers, they flock to the "big three", that's to be expected, not much Claymore can do about that, with it's more grown-up, sophisticated (such as its themes), complex, and deep story, and its violence (though it's not really any worse then bleach or naruto, but meh) and brief nudity and some sexual unnendoes here and there (at least with a dirty mind anyways).

 

[Godeye_Galatea]

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That was a very informative post Sir HK.

Now that you have explained that carefully, that makes me think that there are really a lot of factor that affects a Manga/Anime. And yes, maybe I should agree that Claymore is a bit brutal for the masses. Some people might even find it disturbing. And it also had this 'seriousness' in it that most people might not want to be entertained in such.

Considering the age factor, animations are made mostly for the young ones but it really came to the point that the adults came to liking it too. So I think I should disregard this factor. I don't want to conclude that most people who like anime/manga are young, age being its basis.

And about the type, we can say that most Japanese prefer anime/manga that presents or carry their culture. But yet, not all anime/manga fans are Japanese. I'm actually surprised to know that Europeans and Americans favor these kind of cartoons since they have their own. So saying that Japanese anime/manga lovers are more than the other population combined can be true or wrong too.

Your post, Sir HK, really enlightened me in this matter. I can see how Claymore never had that much fans. But still, whatever happens its my favorite.

Also, I'm happy to know that we have the same taste. I like medieval Europe and fantasy setting too! That might be one of the reasons I'm a Claymore fan.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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online, it's pretty popular (but so is all other manga/anime too, lol).

don't get me started on American media stuff (well 2000+) ....

(we had good shows in 1980's and 1990's, but now it has been really "dumbed" down to corny-lame under age 10 kiddish stuff... ughn...)

great example of this:

if you look up (or watch a clip on youtube.com) these tv show series:

1990's = Batman: The Animated Series or Batman Beyond = these are very "dark" and serious. Joker is a psycho/socio-path! much more dark and scary. you can see it just in the art of him.

vs

the Batman's of year 2000+, you can see the degradation of our shows, sighs. the Joker is a "goofball" (to quote Revy from BL) clown. you can see it just in the art of him.

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the 1980's and 1990's was the "Golden Years" of American media (video games, tv shows/series, and movies), and now (well the animated/"cartoons" tv shows/series) it's so "sappy-corny" kiddish now... ughn!

then we had great stories and novelty ideas, now its just "for profit/blockbusters" of the same type of stuff over and over (talking about video games... now).

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P.S.

I'm an (nerdy/geeky) American and grew up on medieval and fantasy stuff (knights and dragons and king arthur and that kind of stuff), but I love ancient history stuff too (modern world stuff bores me, lol. swords and axes more exciting then guns, lol), so this is why I like Claymore and medieval europe stuff so much.

I like ancient/medieval asian stuff too (japanese samurais, ninjas, martial arts, and especially the mongols-my fav!), I just don't know much about most of it..

in the U.S. for required classes we're just taught about europe (greeks, romans, western europe)... and not much about asia

only in college/university can you then take classes and learn about asian history and stuff in more detail.

 

[wickedsmile]

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HK:

I agree with you regarding Claymore. It definitely has a mature feel, booth in its story line content and depiction. I doubt the violence would suit someone of young age. However, I did find the story of a lost and broken child trying to find redemption endearing. It tugs at your at your hear and makes you wish for the best, although fate often leads to paths of sorrow.

Of late, Claymore has become quite complex with a story line that could well fit the plot of the next James Bond movie. I wish Yagi would return to the beginnings and focus on the evolution and trials of the characters. Although I lament waiting a month for the following chapter, making Claymore bi-weekly would not give Yagi enough time to fully develop any meaningful content beyond rampant bloodshed.

Purchased the Memorabilia Album from Japan and ordered the Bluray Anime. Safe say I enjoy Claymore. My desktop background is black/white picture of the Twin Goddesses. Someone saw my phone background picture (Miria - Painted by Lily on Deviant Art). Said she was beautiful and asked if she was my significant other.

WS

 

[Godeye_Galatea]

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On the bright side, maybe we can just keep Claymore to ourselves and not share them to others. That way, we might feel special

I find Claymore characters very appealing. Actually it was that Teresa of the Faint Smile manga chapter that truly amazed me and got me addicted in to this. And as I read it more and more I found numerous characters with complicated personalities. I became very interested in them and I want to know more. But the true 'bomb' is that the fact that that huge place is just a laboratory. That is something I wasn't able to predict. I admit it's shocking.

Now I want to know more. And yes, that one month duration for releasing a new chapter is a pain. But still I think, I can handle that because I honestly don't want the story to end. I'm still enjoying it.

 

[ZERO PHOENIX]

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I read Claymore in an issue of Shonen Jump. I was attracted to the medieval setting and find the title to be a bit refreshing if not trite. It was not until the third volume that I really started to get into it.

I'm a fan of Claymore who sort of sits right in the middle. I'm not one of those who worship the title like a fanboy nor am I someone who reads it only to rant with extreme haterism. There have been somethings I've liked about the title and somethings I didn't. Overall though it's a great work that is underexposed and underappreciated I think. But of course, the masses so love their Naruto and Bleach with their drab worlds and boring characters.

Still, I rather like Claymore in part because it isn't as popular as other titles. Because the manga is still somewhat underground, you get a better quality of fans. And because it doesn't come out once a week, you get more story and development in each new chapter. Compare that to Naruto which is at chapter 500+ I think, more than 300 of those were trash mind you. So while it is hard to wait on the next installment each month, I think it's a good thing that Claymore isn't released as often as other titles.

If I had to point out Claymore's biggest flaw it would be the lack of characterization. The cast of Claymore is rich in personality yet it seems to me that although a few characters do have their backgrounds explained (in minor detail mind you), the title boils down to, "The Adventures of Clare." (Square-Enix had this same problem with Final Fantasy XII given that the game almost completely centered on Ashe). Given how delicious, I mean, how interesting the other characters are I would like to have seen more time spent with Helen, Galatea, the Black Ones, you get the idea. Another flaw would be this whole Raki thing. Maybe it's just me but it seems like the author is trying to work in some small amount of romance and well, it just doesn't work.

Claymores strengths are many. Compared to low-brow titles like Bleach, the writing is Shakespearian. I also like how there is a genuine mystery in this title, or series thereof. That being the organization and the MIBs. I know one Hegemonkhan can post theories for weeks about one aspect of the MIBs so clearly, the writer has done a damn good job crafting a mystery around this group. The art, while nothing on the level of CLAMP is still quite good and from an artistic standpoint, I am attracted to most of the Claymores on some level. For example, Galatea has an Victorian-esque beauty about her. On the reverse, Clare seems to have a contemporary air of beauty about her which, accordingly so is less refined. Miria's locks enhanced or rather, brought out her inner wildness and ferocity. As someone who appreciates art, I find the character designs thought provoking.

 

[baboysai]

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Interesting point, there, Kamelot.

Claymore does have a somewhat underground feel, and the art is quite rough that is why not too many people seem to appreciate it.

When you mentioned about character development, I think the mangaka really has had their personalities in her head. And even if the personalities do show, maybe more characterization is needed to flesh out to the readers who these characters really are- sort of like, we get the story, we get how the characters go, but we don't empathize with them.

I think the plot is really great, the whole concept of Claymore and the setting is awesome and very imaginative. But it lacks scenes which really compel the reader to root for whoever there is to root for. I don't know, but that's how I feel- detached from the rest of the characters. (unlike say, Guts from Berserk where you can feel his desperation and all).

Overall it's a very interesting read. Besides, cute girls wielding huge-ass swords?? Oh yeah.

 

[Godeye_Galatea]

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I want to ask a question here. I hope its ohkay. Are Claymores lesbian?