Fantasy Cobra runs a gauntlet

[Seven777]

Cobra is yet another character that I have no idea where to rank. Previously I thought he was fodder, now I dunno. Do I trust Eileens opinion of Crime Sorciere? Ignore it? Or somewhere in between? So I wanna see how everyone else views him.
How does he do against each of these opponents?

Round 1: Lisanna
Round 2: Juliet
Round 3: Freed
Round 4: Wahl’s Proxy
Round 5: Lucy
Round 6: Wendy
Round 7: Historia Wahl
Round 8: Rogue
Round 9: Elfman
Round 10: Zeref

 

[Ramen]

Cobra isn't fodder hes just a side side character. Him being low diffed by August isn't really a bad thing since anyone else would've too.

Had a great showing in OS arc.

Took Acno's hits like a champ.

Makes it to 10 then gets stomped into the ground.....Literally

 

[Jko]

Stops at 1 bcs he has zero feats besides getting stomped. Taking a hit everyone in their momma can take is not impressive in the least.

Lisanna gave Lucy trouble and Lucy is above Cobra by feats. He def doesn't get past Juliet who was on par with BSS which would stomp Cobra two seconds flat.

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How is Lucy and Wnedy below Rogue? Their Tartaros feats are above his and he has zero feats to place himself above them in x792. And how is Rogue above Historia Wall when the only H Wall lost was bcs Neinheart was taken down...

 

[Seven777]

Stops at 1 bcs he has zero feats besides getting stomped. Taking a hit everyone in their momma can take is not impressive in the least.

Lisanna gave Lucy trouble and Lucy is above Cobra by feats. He def doesn't get past Juliet who was on par with BSS which would stomp Cobra two seconds flat.

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How is Lucy and Wnedy below Rogue? Their Tartaros feats are above his and he has zero feats to place himself above them in x792. And how is Rogue above Historia Wall when the only H Wall lost was bcs Neinheart was taken down...

Minerva and Rogue are above Historia. They won because they won, Wahl and Bloodman didn't disappear during their battle, they were on the floor defeated and then disappeared afterwards. Plus Rogues power added to Sting's beat a superior spriggan.

On a side note, Cobra vs Rogue, who do you think wins?

 

[Axiomus]

Cobra isn't fodder hes just a side side character.

This.

Cobra needs some respect. First of all, Cobra killed Brain. It's difficult to rank Brain, but he should be somewhat respectable by GMG and Tartaros standards. Given the Key of the Starry Night's portrayal of him, and the fact that he can do this to Brain, I think it's fair to put him at least on GMG Erza's level before she received second origin.

Spoiler: Kills Brain

Cobra has some pretty decent feats against the rock dragon. He actually managed to crack the rock dragon's scales. Unless there's something special about the rock dragon's anatomy that makes him weaker than the other dragons, this is actually mightily impressive. Not only that, but Cobra actually managed to survive getting stepped on by the rock dragon. For comparison, this is what happened to Lucy when the rock dragon stepped beside her. Mind you, the dragon wasn't even attacking Lucy. It was just trying to walk out of the gate

Spoiler: Cobra cracks Rock Dragon

Spoiler: Cobra being stepped on by the rock dragon

Spoiler: Rock Dragon stepping beside Lucy

Gajeel also clashed with Cobra during Road Knight spinoff, and the 2 seemed pretty even in those brief exchanges. Given all this, I honestly don't think that Natsu would be able to solo Cobra in the same way he soloed Sting and Rogue during the GMG. I honestly have him above Rogue up until the end of Tartaros. Rogue might have surpassed him over the timeskip, but this isn't entirely clear. So that's my answer. He makes it to Rogue, which he may or may not clear.

 

[Jko]

Cobra back stabbed Brain. That's like saying Brandish is OP bcs she stabbed August lol.

Minerva and Rogue are above Historia. They won because they won, Wahl and Bloodman didn't disappear during their battle, they were on the floor defeated and then disappeared afterwards. Plus Rogues power added to Sting's beat a superior spriggan.

On a side note, Cobra vs Rogue, who do you think wins?

They were never stated to win. Minerva said sge didn't if they won or if the caster was taken out. Seeing as Natsu took Neinheart out chapter prior I'm pretty sure they only won bcs Neinheart got taken out.

Spoiler

Rogue got beat up by an S12 at a fraction of their power so no, Rogue ain't OP bcs he gave Sting some element to eat. DS get big boost for eating a different element for some reason, it's not really due to the combine magical power as we saw Gajeel only ate a bit of Rogue's Shadow and started stomping right after he was just stomped.

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Rogue wins against Cobra. He has better feats, and his shadow body gives him a versatile edge.

 

[Seven777]

Cobra back stabbed Brain. That's like saying Brandish is OP bcs she stabbed August lol.

They were never stated to win. Minerva said sge didn't if they won or if the caster was taken out. Seeing as Natsu took Neinheart out chapter prior I'm pretty sure they only won bcs Neinheart got taken out.

Spoiler

Rogue got beat up by an S12 at a fraction of their power so no, Rogue ain't OP bcs he gave Sting some element to eat. DS get big boost for eating a different element for some reason, it's not really due to the combine magical power as we saw Gajeel only ate a bit of Rogue's Shadow and started stomping right after he was just stomped.

On the flip side seeing as they were passed out on the floor, Wahl with part of his face broken off, I'm pretty sure they won themselves. But even if Wahl and Bloodman could have gotten back up if Neinhart was still around, I still wouldn't put either above Rogue or Minerva, they might be equal in that case.
I didn't say Rogue was OP, I just said he's better than a Historia.

Oh and Brandish didn't beat August, she stabbed him and then got oneshot. I do agree that surprise attacks generally work though, even against superior opponents.

 

[Jko]

On the flip side seeing as they were passed out on the floor, Wahl with part of his face broken off, I'm pretty sure they won themselves. But even if Wahl and Bloodman could have gotten back up if Neinhart was still around, I still wouldn't put either above Rogue or Minerva, they might be equal in that case.
I didn't say Rogue was OP, I just said he's better than a Historia.

Oh and Brandish didn't beat August, she stabbed him and then got oneshot. I do agree that surprise attacks generally work though, even against superior opponents.

That's what I was getting at. If two H12 combined together they'd still get smacked around by an S12 so the him being the fuel wasn't really about MP.

I didn't say she won I just said she's not OP for stabbing August.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Makes it past rounds 7/8. Hearing Magic + Poison is still a pretty good combo. Its a shame we don't have much feats to go off but @Axiomus brought up some good points. I think people are underestimating his potential to win vs Rogue, intangibility shouldn't be much of an issue considering he can hear when Rogue is going to switch between being a Shadow and being physical.

Curious as to why Elfman is so high tbh, I don't remember him doing anything particularly impressive. I could see Cobra winning since Elfman isn't particularly fast and Cobra can hear him, but I won't say he can definitely pass this because I don't really know much about Elfman.

 

[Biri Biri]

Cobra deserves more respect.

He was an antagonist who was never actually defeated in a fight. Cobra was able to match and even surpass Natsu in hand-to-hand combat with his Hearing magic. And that's before he turned on his dragon slaying magic. Natsu was thoroughly outclassed and got played like a fiddle. It was only by pure dumb luck, when Natsu let out a scream in sheer frustration of his helplessness did Cobra eventually fell. Despite so, Cobra quickly got back up to his feet and was the last man standing in their fight.

Spoiler

Hearing magic and poison dragon slaying magic might not be the most visually impressive or destructive types of magic. But they sure as hell make a highly effective and dangerous combination. His hearing magic enables Cobra to read his opponents' attacks in advance and respond accordingly. While the poison from his dragon slaying magic gradually eats away at their health and mobility/motor coordination. Simple, yet deadly. Had plotBrain not interfered, Natsu would've been the one gotten murdered instead.

Cobra back stabbed Brain. That's like saying Brandish is OP bcs she stabbed August lol.

They are clearly not the same. Brandish held August with great respect and high esteem, referring to him as her grandfather. Brain had absolutely zero respect for the members of Oracion Seis, ridiculing Cobra for his 'defeat' and belittling the members of Oracion Seis as mere pawns in his plans.

Cobra did not back stabbed Brain. That was as direct a frontal assault as any. Brain had betrayed Cobra previously, and if Brain had even an ounce of self-awareness, he should've known Cobra is not going to fall for his words again.

Now, this is a legit back stab.

Spoiler

 

[Seven777]

Makes it past rounds 7/8. Hearing Magic + Poison is still a pretty good combo. Its a shame we don't have much feats to go off but @Axiomus brought up some good points. I think people are underestimating his potential to win vs Rogue, intangibility shouldn't be much of an issue considering he can hear when Rogue is going to switch between being a Shadow and being physical.

Curious as to why Elfman is so high tbh, I don't remember him doing anything particularly impressive. I could see Cobra winning since Elfman isn't particularly fast and Cobra can hear him, but I won't say he can definitely pass this because I don't really know much about Elfman.

Cause he beat Ajeel. If it wasn't for the fact that Ajeel is weaker than Larcade i'd put him above Sting too.

 

[HybridTheory]

Could stop at Historia Wahl or Rogue but he's definitely better than Elfman

 

[Ebony Maw]

Cause he beat Ajeel. If it wasn't for the fact that Ajeel is weaker than Larcade i'd put him above Sting too.

He beat Ajeel because him and Lisanna were in advantages Souls.

Hell, we know that he would have been almost no-diffed by Ajeel since he had to rely on Lisanna to get out of Ant Lion Pit.

 

[Demon Hunter]

he might stop at proxy considering he can generate Cobra's weakness.

 

[Ebony Maw]

he might stop at proxy considering he can generate Cobra's weakness.

Very good point! Thinking about it Proxy Wahl will be a crap match up anyway, poison can't really do much to a machine.

Yeah I'm changing my vote, Cobra stops at Proxy Wahl. If it weren't for that (and Historia Wahl) though he would get to round 10 IMO.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Weakness magic is such a underrated power.

 

[Ramen]

Very good point! Thinking about it Proxy Wahl will be a crap match up anyway, poison can't really do much to a machine.

Yeah I'm changing my vote, Cobra stops at Proxy Wahl. If it weren't for that (and Historia Wahl) though he would get to round 10 IMO.

What would his weakness be? Antidote? Are the machines just gonna shoot out antidote?

 

[Ebony Maw]

What his weaknees be? Antidote? Are the machines just gonna shoot out antidote?

Not sure, maybe it'll produce a really loud machine? I don't think this is the important part though.

The important thing is that Wahl and his proxies being machines completely negate Cobra's Magics since you can't poison a machine and because a machine has no heart, he can't hear its thoughts.

 

[Ramen]

Not sure, maybe it'll produce a really loud machine? I don't think this is the important part though.

The important thing is that Wahl and his proxies being machines completely negate Cobra's Magics since you can't poison a machine and because a machine has no heart, he can't hear its thoughts.

Oh yea tru I didn't think of that

 

[Jko]

Cobra deserves more respect.

He was an antagonist who was never actually defeated in a fight. Cobra was able to match and even surpass Natsu in hand-to-hand combat with his Hearing magic. And that's before he turned on his dragon slaying magic. Natsu was thoroughly outclassed and got played like a fiddle. It was only by pure dumb luck, when Natsu let out a scream in sheer frustration of his helplessness did Cobra eventually fell. Despite so, Cobra quickly got back up to his feet and was the last man standing in their fight.

Spoiler

Hearing magic and poison dragon slaying magic might not be the most visually impressive or destructive types of magic. But they sure as hell make a highly effective and dangerous combination. His hearing magic enables Cobra to read his opponents' attacks in advance and respond accordingly. While the poison from his dragon slaying magic gradually eats away at their health and mobility/motor coordination. Simple, yet deadly. Had plotBrain not interfered, Natsu would've been the one gotten murdered instead.

They are clearly not the same. Brandish held August with great respect and high esteem, referring to him as her grandfather. Brain had absolutely zero respect for the members of Oracion Seis, ridiculing Cobra for his 'defeat' and belittling the members of Oracion Seis as mere pawns in his plans.

Cobra did not back stabbed Brain. That was as direct a frontal assault as any. Brain had betrayed Cobra previously, and if Brain had even an ounce of self-awareness, he should've known Cobra is not going to fall for his words again.

Now, this is a legit back stab.

Spoiler

Brain was not aware he was going to get attacked therefore it was a backstab. Brandish was in front of August as well when she stabbed him. You can't give him a feat against an unguarded person and act like he could beat him when he's at the top of his game. Brain thought of OS as pawns who would do anything for him therefore he wasn't expecring Cobra to attack him otherwise he wouldn't have been surprised by the attack.

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I wondering how people thinks he gets past Lucy who has a shield and dual star dress and Wendy who literally counter his entire arsenal making him useless. How in the hell is he getting rated on Elfman's level when Elfman was 85% reason they won against Ajeel, the same Ajeel who whooped Erza's butt. Now Elfmam tanked dual stardress like nothing and dual stardress is far superior to Stardress which oneshotted a 9D before the year of training. The same 9D Cobra was scared against. Taratrus >>> 7kin >>> OS.

Featless Cobra gets smacked, y'all have zero feats to place him above Lucy or Wendy and you're grasping at straws with feats like him "tanking" Acno hits and backstabbing Brain.

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And how in the hell is he getting past Juliet who gave BSS Mira a challenge and BSS Mira would stomp the crap out of Cobra.