Discussion Could Silver Defeat Tartaros?

[BluePegasus]

I strongly disagree with Hiro stats as most don't even match the character feats,

For example Sayla has 2000 curse power versus Jackal Has 600.

Jackal in base is City level

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While Sayla is only room Level in limit release

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Same as Ezel a room level attacker have better attack stats than Jackal or Sayla who has shown better attack feats. Alot of stuff simply don't add up.


So if I was judging rather Silver could defeat Tartarous I would never go off stats and rather go off feats.

Okay but have you ever heard about a thing called Macro? The range of that is insane. Seilah having a lot more curse power than Jackal is obvious af.

 

[Tirl]

I believe those stats refer to the strength of their specific Curse attacks. For example Mard Geer's 1000 one is Thorn Bramble and his 5000 one is Alegria.
Seilah's stats are mediocre, but her abilities are by far the strongest of the Demon Gates.

Macro works on corpses, Seilah controlled the councilman's corpse

Seilah controlled corpses, yes, but I meant Silver already under control by another person.

I strongly disagree with Hiro stats as most don't even match the character feats,

For example Sayla has 2000 curse power versus Jackal Has 600.

Jackal in base is City level

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While Sayla is only room Level in limit release

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Same as Ezel a room level attacker have better attack stats than Jackal or Sayla who has shown better attack feats. Alot of stuff simply don't add up.


So if I was judging rather Silver could defeat Tartarous I would never go off stats and rather go off feats.

Curse power is not attack power. Jacal attack = 1500. Curse power, I think, is like magic power levelling. So Jacal is weaker than Seilah but has some better attack.
And this spell is not city lvl. It's just a very small village. Several streets, not more. And it was low damage blow on range, while Seilah uses high attack strike on her opponent. She never wanted to destroy guild.

Ezel has really mega high attack. Why you think attack = beauty and high size? Ezel uses slim slash. When Jacal can blow magic council, Ezel can cut they in crap.

Can you please post the stats picture of their enhanced form?I am curious.

How?

 

[Arjuna]

Seilah controlled corpses, yes, but I meant Silver already under control by another person.


Curse power is not attack power. Jacal attack = 1500. Curse power, I think, is like magic power levelling. So Jacal is weaker than Seilah but has some better attack.
And this spell is not city lvl. It's just a very small village. Several streets, not more. And it was low damage blow on range, while Seilah uses high attack strike on her opponent. She never wanted to destroy guild.

Ezel has really mega high attack. Why you think attack = beauty and high size? Ezel uses slim slash. When Jacal can blow magic council, Ezel can cut they in crap.


How?

Because i have seen those cards where Mard has 6000 curse power,Kyoka 2700 and Silver.But i haven't seen anywhere it was mentioned that there is a boosted stat also.

 

[Seven777]

Because i have seen those cards where Mard has 6000 curse power,Kyoka 2700 and Silver.But i haven't seen anywhere it was mentioned that there is a boosted stat also.

I dont know if this is what you're referring to, but "boosted stats" are all mentioned in the writing in the bottom left text box of each card. The Demon Gate's special traits are located there.
From what i can recall when Macro is used on herself Seilah's attack is doubled, Torafuzar's hardened scales double his defense when activated, other demon gates likely have similar things written there to match their feats in the manga.
There was a forum that fully translated the cards but i cant remember what site it was on.

 

[LaGOAT]

Silver is the 2nd strongest with the DS advantage

 

[Cosmicstar]

Okay but have you ever heard about a thing called Macro? The range of that is insane. Seilah having a lot more curse power than Jackal is obvious af.

Sayla Macro is not city range. For her to use her Macro she has to be near them. Once she gets them though she can control them from anywhere. So no I wouldn't say that gives her more curse power than Jackal. That is like say Mest has more magical power than Gildarts because he can mess with Spriggan 12 members minds.

Seilah controlled corpses, yes, but I meant Silver already under control by another person.


Curse power is not attack power. Jacal attack = 1500. Curse power, I think, is like magic power levelling. So Jacal is weaker than Seilah but has some better attack.
And this spell is not city lvl. It's just a very small village. Several streets, not more. And it was low damage blow on range, while Seilah uses high attack strike on her opponent. She never wanted to destroy guild.

Ezel has really mega high attack. Why you think attack = beauty and high size? Ezel uses slim slash. When Jacal can blow magic council, Ezel can cut they in crap.


How?

I know what Curse power is. Judging by their nuke power it makes more sense that Jackal has more curse power. The more curse power the further you can extend your power.

After using that nuke and a few Macro spells Sayla was absolutely tired and couldn't use anymore of her power.

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Jackals 'city level' suicide explosion couldn't even kill or knockout a cat. The range of his attacks means absolutely nothing if it isn't strong enough to do significant damage to his opponents.

What has Sayla or Kyouka or Ezel attack done? Sayla failed to knock out Lissana and Lamy

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Ezel failed to take out Carla or Wendy

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Jackal actually knocked Natsu out with his resistance towards heat/fire and killed Lamy

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Sayla couldn't knock Mirajane out with her limit release while Jackal did it within base. Jackal dealt crazy damage to his opponents.

Wendy and Lucy after 1 attack from Jackal:

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Unless you are trying to claim Happy have better durability than Natsu please move along with that crap.

 

[Tirl]

Judging by their nuke power it makes more sense that Jackal has more curse power.

Maybe Laxus has more MP than Zeref bc his nuke was far bigger than anything Zeref show?

After using that nuke and a few Macro spells Sayla was absolutely tired and couldn't use anymore of her power.

Seilah and Mira were in fight whole tartatos battle, when other demons were defeated one by one. And after their fight which consume more MP\CP than anyone, Seilah still had enough CP to boost Kyoka on whole different lvl she was.

Ezel smashed Wendy. If she didn't KO that doesn't mean she didn't take high damage. And Ezel did beat her with his tentacles.
Jacal did deal huge damage to Lucy and Wendy. Yes. What's so amazing this? Like Ezel, he damaged defenseless persons.
Seilah didn't knock Mira bc Mira is strong, not Seilah is weak. Do you think Jacal can do anything to Mira??

 

[Axiomus]

Tempester wasn't city scaled either, but he did much better against Natsu than Jackal did.

Silver stands a decent chance at oneshotting any of the demon gates provided that he can land a hit. However, Mard Geer would be able to fly circles around him and hit him with Momento Mori like he did against Natsu and Gray. Unlike Gray, who had Natsu to buy him time, Mard would be upon Silver the moment MM failed. At which point, it's unlikely for Silver to make a comeback in hand to hand. So in a direct fight, Silver would probably lose to Mard. If Silver plays his cards right, he could potentially stab them all in the back though.

 

[Tirl]

Tempester wasn't city scaled either, but he did much better against Natsu than Jackal did.

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Are you kidding?

 

[Crimson Ice]

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Are you kidding?

Natsu was in LFD mode in the last panels, the same mode that instantly dropped Jackal. I don't get what those scans proved.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Natsu was in LFD mode in the last panels, the same mode that instantly dropped Jackal. I don't get what those scans proved.

Natsu had to use all his power against Jackal and was only able to stand against him thanks to his immunity towards fire and even then still needed Wendy to heal him.

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Jackal and Natsu were in the same conhdition when everything was over.

Natsu went on to fight Marde Geer after Tempesta. Also at no point in time during their battle did Tempesta knock Natsu out.

 

[Axiomus]

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Are you kidding?

He got back up after all that.

 

[LaGOAT]

Natsu had to use all his power against Jackal and was only able to stand against him thanks to his immunity towards fire and even then still needed Wendy to heal him.

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Jackal and Natsu were in the same conhdition when everything was over.

Natsu went on to fight Marde Geer after Tempesta. Also at no point in time during their battle did Tempesta knock Natsu out.

except that natsu oneshoted jackal with one LFD attack in base mode tempesta tanking natsu attacks in LFD mode and got up just fine

 

[Woodenstool]

Silver is comparable to Gray to one shots Mard.

 

[Spirit]

I don't think Silver is near capable enough to bring down Tartaros on his own. Part of the reason why he passed on the Demon Slaying Magic to Gray was because he couldn't do it himself.

 

[Gabo]

Silver by its type of Magic could defeat to the majority of the Demons of Tartaros, but I do not think that it could against Mard, and just remember that this is subordinated to the orders of Keyes, reason why if Keyes wants can disappear it.

Remember that the powers of the demons are not equal, each is handled differently

Jackal knocked Natsu out not because his explosions were strong, but because the Hax of his powers that Natsu was the one that exploded and that affected him by the Shock, not by power, once Natsu found the Trick, no longer him The same level.

Equally, each power is different.

 

[**Silver**]

Silver freezed entire Sun Village and the Giants in seconds so his Aoe range is enormous even Natsu was instantly one-shotted bye bye Demons. and even Gray stomped Base/Mard Geer..

 

[Axiomus]

Silver probably won't be able to outfight Mard for the same reason Gray couldn't on his own. Mard can basically do to Silver everything he did against Natsu and Gray up until Momento Mori. Silver would probably be in the same condition as Gray was after taking MM. At which point, it's unlikely for Silver to make a comeback in hand to hand. This is assuming Silver decides to challenge Mard to a fight. All bets are off if Silver is sneaky and stabs everyone in the back though.

Natsu had to use all his power against Jackal and was only able to stand against him thanks to his immunity towards fire and even then still needed Wendy to heal him.

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Jackal and Natsu were in the same conhdition when everything was over.

Natsu went on to fight Marde Geer after Tempesta. Also at no point in time during their battle did Tempesta knock Natsu out.

If Natsu used all his power against Jackal, he wouldn't have had any power left over to fight Franmalth, Tempesta, or Mard Geer later on in the same day. He used the same attack against Mard that he used against Jackal, and that didn't exhaust him. It was only when Natsu used dragon force that he exhausted his power. I just can't see Jackal being a better fighter than Tempesta. Jackal never actually managed to land any hits against Natsu. The only way Jackal had of actually damaging Natsu is letting Natsu hit him, and relying on the curse to blow up Natsu afterwards. If Natsu had done an LFD roar against Jackal, none of this would have even applied. Tempesta managed to tank a secret art, and actually landed some hits against Natsu. Maybe he couldn't blow Natsu up with his touch curse, but he's a tougher combatant imo. Natsu used a stronger attack against him, and he tanked it.

 

[Gabo]

Silver freezed entire Sun Village and the Giants in seconds so his Aoe range is enormous even Natsu was instantly one-shotted bye bye Demons. and even Gray stomped Base/Mard Geer..

Gray by himself did not defeat Mard, I need Natsu, without the power of Natsu and his help Mard would have made Gray pure.

It must be understood that not everything is handled in terms of gross power, but of Ability.

Mard for example did not create huge explosions, but was very capable of defeating very powerful opponents with attacks rather small

 

[Raven]

I don't think he can beat Mard or Keys. He is normally stronger against any demon but those 2 are exceptions