Discussion CP0

[Schabrak]

Does any of the Yonkou strike you as somebody to cooperate with another one? No one, not even Shanks to be that kind of type. To be honest, I didn't think of someone attacking the Yonkou themself, that's suicidal and shouldn't work with how the crews are made up so far. Rockstar is a CP0 member, waiting for the right time to take on Shanks when he's asleep. j/k Hm this reminds me of Ace failing to attack Newgate even in his sleep, so I don't really see how any of them could fall without a real fight.

1. Doflamingo has whole crew as big as the mugiwaras.
2. Does anybody really expect them to have even matches in this arc? I don't think any of the Strawhats will fight a CP0 member, Burgess or Fujitora, since all eyes are on the fruit, the citizens and most importantly, on Doflamingo anyway.

 

[MBVC]

They don't have to join force but the WG can't handle the situation if the remaining yonkou decide to attack directly (after knowing WG sent assassins after their heads and 1 or 2 of the 4 yonkou died as the result) and Dragon does some dirty work in the background.

 

[Schabrak]

Am I missing some important point or does your premise not make any sense at all.

How would one dead Yonkou lead to an alliance of others, just to start a war with the World Government? Why would they do that, an assassination would not show the affiliation and even if they got cought they wouldn't reveal their background. The Yonkou are as much Dragons enemies as everybody else, he won't do any of that or his cause would be corrupted Imo. He wants the citizens to fight, not some despot/tyrant who's in some cases would be even worse than the WG. Remember countries burning because of candy!? Gabull the revolutionary being hunted down by Kaidou's henchman? Those two aren't even questionable, they are exactly that what Dragon is fighting against.-_- If you start to discuss things, be realistic or at least work with what we already got.

 

[MBVC]

I'm thinking about the yonkou independently attack the WG directly unaware of the other motive, well at least Shanks is willing to join force when the situation suits him well but I'm not sure about the others. this topics runs from comparison of strength into global war and you started it twice!

Anyway, I don't think the CP0 has the same goal as Fujitora, because the WG always has some shady business lying around everywhere. I'm not sure how it plays out in the meeting and whether Violet is a CP0 agent or not. In the last time, CP9 had 4 members on Water7: 3 males + 1 female, do you think they organized the plan the same again?

 

[Schabrak]

Nah, Mingo is/was a far to big ally to waste so many agents on perennial missions, just to observe and wait. Until the WG learned about the dark secret of PH and his connection to Kaidou, there wasn't anything interesting about him to start a mission Imo. We know he had connections to the WG, so he probably sent some good money their way too keep them silent about his practices.

 

[Ninomiya]

I will flatter my self as much as I want. I nudged it into the Jozu admiral discussion[again] and added comparisons to Sakazuki and Kuzan, which lead to their inclusion in the current discussion again.

Sorry ma'am.
We were discussing the levels of ranks beside CP0 anyway. This isn't down to you.
Others mentioned Aokiji in replies to my post anyway so the discussion of Admirals in addition the VA level characters was going to happen regardless.
Considering the mods didn't complain why attempt to kill discussions if it isn't any of your concern? The mods do a good job here no need to undermine them.

I think because the WG has to deal with Dragon and if one of the yonkou is murdered by an agent of WG, then there might be a possibility that 2 of the yonkou will join force to take out WG with some help from Dragon.

Why?
The Yonkou don't seem to necessarily on be great terms with one another. Not even the Shichibukai who pretty much supposed to be a sort of team can truly get along so well.
So far, all Dragon does is hover around the Blue Seas and take revolutionize small villages/towns/cities one by one and since Luffy has embarked on his journey, Dragon hasn't really bumped into any notably powerful WG employees be it from Cipher Pol or the Navy.
I'm assuming its that the WG has been completely unable to track him.

On top of that, even after the death of WB we had no reaction from Dragon being showed so the death of a Yonkou will probably just lead to a new guy replacing him and probably not much more than that.

Does anyone think that CP0 will after this arc? Will they be of importance? If one of the is as strong as the current admirals, who is supposed to fight them with so much else going on all around the island already? Personally I can't see how any of those could be stronger than Doflamingo, that would devaluate him in an arc that's about himself.

Depends on the scenario in which they meet the Straw Hats. If they meet the SH's fight and lose, then they'll get the CP9 treatment where it seems the Government eliminate them from Cipher Pol? I think that's what has happened at least.
If CP0 do actually fight the SH's in the same format that CP9 did which I doubt, then its gonna be one hell of a long arc.
And even CP9 were shown to have recovered from their beating and set out sail with an aim.

So knowing Oda, we never really see the last of anybody. I mean... Enel was last seen afterwards on the freaking moon, Miss Monday was last shown to now be a mother and the mighty Magellan was seen as the Vice-Chief of Impel Down. So I don't think it will be the very last, but certainly the last time they are an integral part of the storyline.

 

[Schabrak]

So far, all Dragon does is hover around the Blue Seas and take revolutionize small villages/towns/cities one by one and since Luffy has embarked on his journey, Dragon hasn't really bumped into any notably powerful WG employees be it from Cipher Pol or the Navy.
I'm assuming its that the WG has been completely unable to track him.

On top of that, even after the death of WB we had no reaction from Dragon being showed so the death of a Yonkou will probably just lead to a new guy replacing him and probably not much more than that.

The RA are obviously working in every single part of the world, Blues, Paradies[Bartigo/Momoiro] and New World to some degree. It's not like Dragon starts every single uprising of the citizens, he has commanders and stuff. He surely must have a couple countries by now, if he was deemed " The World's Most-Dangerous Criminal". we just don't know what and in which capacity they have interacted with all the different parties so far. If we go with the flow, the big move will have to happen around the time Luffy rises up with Pirate King, so they should be pretty far with their freedom operation, similar to the Yonkou in territory or more.

 

[Ninomiya]

The RA are obviously working in every single part of the world, Blues, Paradies[Bartigo/Momoiro] and New World to some degree. It's not like Dragon starts every single uprising of the citizens, he has commanders and stuff. He surely must have a couple countries by now, if he was deemed " The World's Most-Dangerous Criminal". we just don't know what and in which capacity they have interacted with all the different parties so far. If we go with the flow, the big move will have to happen around the time Luffy rises up with Pirate King, so they should be pretty far with their freedom operation, similar to the Yonkou in territory or more.

So far I get the feeling that the RA's influence in the New World is rather small. After Robin's timeskip story, I've mentioned on here before I was expecting the World Govt to introduce skilled fighters to take down the RA. Surely its a little ridiculous on the WG's part.
Why don't they just send a Vice-Admiral along with some Cipher Pol officials and Govt officials to the countries that have been revolutionized a while after the RA's have left?
At the Buster Call in Enies Lobby it seems to me that there are always Vice-Admirals with loads of time on their hands.
Vice-Admiral Yamakaji in particular looked like he does nothing all day.

Instead, it makes me think if the CP0 don't get finished in this arc, they will be shown again fighting against the Revolution.
I think the Revolutionaries are just as dangerous as a Yonkou.
I'm assuming Dragon is like a Yonkou in power at the minimum with some seriously strong commanders.
(I don't think it was confirmed Ivankov was the offical 2nd-in-command so there should be stronger foes)

Simply put, there must be some kind of specific unit for dealing with the RA's considering there has been no Marine who has been known to be targeting the RA's like how they target Pirates.

I'm not even sure Lucci can win against Smoker both in pre-war, .

No Armor-Haki.
Lucci automatically loses to all Logia users.

 

[David Rose]

To me the classification as CP-0 is not necessarily a matter of fighting power but overall indipendence. While the numbers from 1 to 9 may be an indication of the raw power, the number 0 could be the indicator of beeing superior to the others. I think they simply are able to operate on their own, not having to report back in a frequent pattern and that makes them more dangerous.
Still the purpose of an intelligence unit is to gather and eveluate information, thus fighting power shouldn't be the main factor. Since this is One Piece they have to have strong fighters to handle themselves though. At least superior to the New World standard, meaning those guys baffled about Luffys possible appearance in the tournament.

In my opinion this whole Haki thing is more a matter of Oda's evolution as an artist, rather than bad canon management. My personal guess is, that he on some point (likely pre-timeskip) simply sought for a cooler way to introduce armourment Haki (like the body becoming black) and to make it more visual to the reader. Therefore the whole concept was overhauled to let him be more freely with it in the future.
My wild guess is, when it comes to answering the big questions, Oda always wants to give 120% and thus the new appearance. If he had the whole concept earlier I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have held it back in the fight between Kizaru and Rayleigh.
Last but not least, a post-timskip Luccy should be on a level with Luffy, Law and Kid, given his potential and beaten opponents not becoming stagnant afterwards. I wouldn't take it too serious that there wasn't that much Haki shown back then, since the whole concept lacked a bit in my opinion. The reason we see it on every corner now is more likely because it is the New World and Oda finally made up his mind on which was he really wants to go.

 

[danzouismadara]

i think their power is exactly like CP9 but instead they have logia powers.

 

[Ninomiya]

i think their power is exactly like CP9 but instead they have logia powers.

I daresay there is a limit to how many Logias can exist in one team in One Piece my friend. Haven't you noticed no team has a bunch of Logia users?

 

[Zehahaha]

I daresay there is a limit to how many Logias can exist in one team in One Piece my friend. Haven't you noticed no team has a bunch of Logia users?

The Admirals used to be all Logia users if we count them as a team

 

[kkck]

I daresay there is a limit to how many Logias can exist in one team in One Piece my friend. Haven't you noticed no team has a bunch of Logia users?

Even and all fruit team is weird to be honest. I think that even the strawhats having so many fruit users in their crew is already seen as remarkably considering how few they are. Its true that all admirals at a point were logia users although I would think the sheer improbability of that is what makes them all the more dangerous.

As for them being an all logia group with strength similar to CP9... if that is the case then they are by no means a threat of any sort to the strawhats. Well, under the right circumstances or a surprise attack scenario they could be a problem but in straight fights they would simply be people waiting to have the crap beat out of them.

 

[Ninomiya]

The Admirals used to be all Logia users if we count them as a team

I didn't really count them as a team but I guess this is also right lol.

Even and all fruit team is weird to be honest. I think that even the strawhats having so many fruit users in their crew is already seen as remarkably considering how few they are. Its true that all admirals at a point were logia users although I would think the sheer improbability of that is what makes them all the more dangerous.

As for them being an all logia group with strength similar to CP9... if that is the case then they are by no means a threat of any sort to the strawhats. Well, under the right circumstances or a surprise attack scenario they could be a problem but in straight fights they would simply be people waiting to have the crap beat out of them.

I wouldn't put Logias down against the Monster Trio.
Don't underrate the possibility of a Logia user who can control their body mass really well when using their fruit and in their Fruit's state.
It is by no means an ass-kicking for them. Considering only the Monster Trio can hurt them.
If a Logia meets any other member then its a death for an SH member.

 

[kkck]

I was talking about a team comprised of logias but with the strength the previous CP9 had. I am not underating logias per say, I was trying to make the point that the previous CP9 wouldn't be to the current strawhats a huge threat. The monster trio can use haki and they have more than enough strenght for that task. As for the others its a matter of them finding a way to deal with the elements potential logias control. Franky has lazers, fire and perhaps a couple other weird weapons at his disposal, it wouldn't be weird if he could take advantage of elemental properties to his advantage. Brook has his ice, there are probably a few types of logias he could force solid by freezing them (say, he could freeze caribou's swamp solid for example). Nami has the greatest amount of elements at her disposal so far including thunder, water, heat and who knows what other force of nature. Ussop has explosions, a variety of man eating plants (say, he could have caribou eaten or something or use fire to somehow affect certain kinds of logia).... In the end a proper enemy for the strawhats can't be just a fruit, a fruit without a person with actual power behind it is not a big deal. CP0 being as strong as CP9 with the exception that they are all logias would just be a repeat of ceasar so to speak, a strong fruit with a weak owner....