Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[Ninja_Pirate]

I really don't think the whole doukiri is that black and white. Zoro and sanji fought evenly with their matches with no visible upgrades to say the least. Once they used their upgrades, kyutoui and diable jambe, they basically one shot kaku and jyabura and went off to keep fighting a number of other enemies. Basically, you could say there was a somewhat significant gap between sanji and zoro and their respective enemies. In turn, luffy fought a extremely prolonged fight and even using his new techniques he got nowhere nearly as much of an advantage as either of them did over their enemies. Luffy is without a doubt the strongest but I really don't think zoro and sanji lag significantly behind, specially zoro.

Same goes for luffy.. remember he also used his new technique only once... "JET GATLING" followed by other new techniques ..same goes for zoro///

also luffy did not have an "extremely" prolonged fight as compared to zoro.. also its not just the doukiri.. lucci has the strongest fruit which he has been using from years.. .. lucci wasted lot of time,, distroying the underground tunnel and blah blah.. and remeber one of his technique which hurts the most to luffy.. i forgot the name of the technique// .. but it was something he only can use... has been used on luffy three consecutive time

 

[kkck]

I don't think lucci had in any way the strongest fruit. Chopper said carnivorous zoans tend to be more aggressive than others however that does not mean it is the strongest. Heck, if anything I would think kaku's fruit was the stronger one. Lucci did a few things through the use of his rokushiki in conjunction of the fruit however the giraffe variations kaku used were 100% the fruit.

Also, I was referring to the general use of gear second and gear third in comparison to zoro's and sanji's use of their techniques. It took one use of each to finish kaku and jyabura. In turn consistent use of gear second and third did not finish off lucci.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

I don't think lucci had in any way the strongest fruit. Chopper said carnivorous zoans tend to be more aggressive than others however that does not mean it is the strongest. Heck, if anything I would think kaku's fruit was the stronger one. Lucci did a few things through the use of his rokushiki in conjunction of the fruit however the giraffe variations kaku used were 100% the fruit.

I think you referring chopper here - http://www.mangareader.net/103-2456-6/one-piece/chapter-349.html .... however on the same page lucci explained that zoan's special ability is to strengthen themselves physically by training... so i dont see kaku's fruit stronger by that time since he has just obtained that untrained body...

Also, I was referring to the general use of gear second and gear third in comparison to zoro's and sanji's use of their techniques. It took one use of each to finish kaku and jyabura. In turn consistent use of gear second and third did not finish off lucci.

When we say technique.. gear second is a package as technique.. as luffy said all his techniques will evolve.. so how can it actually compared with one time technique...
In a fight the opponents were weakened to the state that the final attack will blow them off... zoro has used many new techniques in the battle.. however just because his opponent was blown off in an attack u r considering it the final ultimate technique... so i also can say Jet gattling to be the ultimate technique

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

kkck
Actually Luffy's Jet Gatling also finished the job and you should take in account that before the fight against Lucci Luffy was at about 70% at best,cause he was not only continiously fighting in Ennies Lobby taking more than a half of its man power and the 4th strongest Rokushiki user before Lucci, but he also was fighting non-stop sinse the begining of Water 7 Arc. On the other hand Sanji was obviously in better shape, cause his only serious fight was with Jabura and he didn't take as much opponents in the train and in Ennies Lobby as Luffy.
Also Luffy and Zoro were beatten quite good in Water 7 by CP9.

 

[kkck]

I alread70y said I was talking about the general usage of gear 2 and 3....

ALso, there is no way luffy was at 70%. He was by all intents and purposes at 100% IMO. For one thing, luffy has this absurd trait of fast digestion and whatnot and he actually ate meat after fighting blueno. I doubt that would make much of a difference. Gear 3 had side effects but I really doubt it would deplete him that much after the initial shrinking. And luffy also had the crap beat out of him in water seven. At the very least zoro and sanji did not survive just because a devil fruit...

 

[Rosebullet Teacher]

I like how the cp9 arc is the place to start with Straw Hat power, this explains all the nonlove Brook gets he needs an emotional battle so give him time to get one! & Ryuuma doesn't count cos Ryuuma was Brook plus he's killed a dragon! Wait till Brook meets a guy who hates panties hell breaks loose!

Luffy beasts Zoro, but why isn't anybody bringing gomu gomu no mi into this? Rubber reduces impact so its only natural Luffy can go much longer & reach higher limits. Yes Zoro took that pain but how long was he bedridden? Even on Saboady it was still hitting, whereas Luffy gets meated up & he's a threat again.

I like Robins giant limbs she can probably deflect cannonballs, or launch crew members at giants. Wish she was physically stronger then we'd have 100+ hit combos!

FuS

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

kkck
Of course he wasn't at his 100%. It's pretty obvious. No one will be at his best after bitting more than 5000 soldiers who was said to have pretty decent level. Then he beated Brueno who was the 4th strongest Rolushiki user in CP9 and after it he even used Gear 3. He obviously wasn't anywhere near his 100% of power before the fight against Lucci, while Lucci was quite at his full power.

 

[kkck]

Luffy fought 500 average soldiers, where did you get that they were decent level? Not a single one of them had a chance of actually hurting luffy considering luffy is immune to bullets as a whole and even his simplest attacks would just mow through them. I doubt such a thing is something sanji, zoro or even franky would have trouble with. Even then, the fight against blueno did not seem to take a significant tool on luffy to begin with. Then there is still the fact that luffy had meat to replenish his stamina after the fight. Oda set that one up so that luffy could be at 100% when he fights lucci. Also worth noting, in the manga blueno did not land a single hit on luffy. He just opened a door on his face which did not seem to cause any damage.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

It wasn't 500, but more than 5000. And yes they were rather decent soldiers to protect one of the 3 most important WG facilities. Also they shouldn't be top dogs, but if you take down as much as 5000 or more it doesn't actually matter the power level, cause you waste your power, endurance, stamina for sure.
Actually I don't believe that after taking out more than 5000 soldiers and then taking the 4th strongest Rokushiki user in CP9 and your conditions can be so simply replenished with meat.
About damage. Luffy might have not taken damage before the fight against Lucci, but he still wasted plenty of physical strength and stamina running, punching and dodging and also using gears, so of course it can't be just replenished with meat.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Since we are looking for units... i also just thought of unit of measuring strength .. here is what i think

1. Luffy - can take 6-7 pacifistas at a time
2. Zoro. - can take 3-4 pacifistas at a time
3. Sanji - can take 3 pacifistas at a time
4. Franky- can take 2 pacifistas at a time
5. Brook - can take 0.5 pacifista at a time (he will need help)
6. Chopper - can take 1 pacifista at a time (will almost get in same state as against kumadori in CP9)
7. Robin(can take 1.5 pacifista , considering the giant limbs she can make)
8. Usopp - (0.25 pacifista - (have not seen his dodging speed yet .. so my opinion may change later)
9. Nami - (0.5 pacifista )

 

[zelllogan]

Since we are looking for units... i also just thought of unit of measuring strength .. here is what i think

1. Luffy - can take 6-7 pacifistas at a time
2. Zoro. - can take 3-4 pacifistas at a time
3. Sanji - can take 3 pacifistas at a time
4. Franky- can take 2 pacifistas at a time
5. Brook - can take 0.5 pacifista at a time (he will need help)
6. Chopper - can take 1 pacifista at a time (will almost get in same state as against kumadori in CP9)
7. Robin(can take 1.5 pacifista , considering the giant limbs she can make)
8. Usopp - (0.25 pacifista - (have not seen his dodging speed yet .. so my opinion may change later)
9. Nami - (0.5 pacifista )

Again someone underestimating Brook ... it's getting annoying .

I highly suggest people to read again the beginning of Thriller Bark .... just to see how he cut the spider that wasn't afffected by Franky's nunjakus ...

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Again someone underestimating Brook ... it's getting annoying .

I highly suggest people to read again the beginning of Thriller Bark .... just to see how he cut the spider that wasn't afffected by Franky's nunjakus ...

Its not someone ... its me... ...

It really depends on the scale of measurement.. here as you can see .. as per the scale yes, definitely brook cant single handedly defeat a pacifista.. if i consider even that he might have improved on his music skills and can base his attacks on that.. pacifistas are cyborgs...

Also cutting a spider and pacifista is a different league all together.. even zoro who defeted that ryugga samurai with only two swords had a problem cutting the pacifista body (considering kuma and pacifista made of same material) before time skip... And also during SHs fight wid pacifista... everyone contributed pretty well... except for brook.. he was pretty useless

 

[zelllogan]

Its not someone ... its me... ...

It really depends on the scale of measurement.. here as you can see .. as per the scale yes, definitely brook cant single handedly defeat a pacifista.. if i consider even that he might have improved on his music skills and can base his attacks on that.. pacifistas are cyborgs...

Also cutting a spider and pacifista is a different league all together.. even zoro who defeted that ryugga samurai with only two swords had a problem cutting the pacifista body (considering kuma and pacifista made of same material) before time skip... And also during SHs fight wid pacifista... everyone contributed pretty well... except for brook.. he was pretty useless

My point is, at thriller bark, Brook saved both franky & robin ... So putting Franky at 2 pacifistas & brook at 0.5 is weird to say the least.

About fights again pacifista, apart from the monster trio, ALL were useless & merely won seconds (which Brooke also did, you joust don't remember)

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

My point is, at thriller bark, Brook saved both franky & robin ... So putting Franky at 2 pacifistas & brook at 0.5 is weird to say the least.

About fights again pacifista, apart from the monster trio, ALL were useless & merely won seconds (which Brooke also did, you joust don't remember)

ya... i got a pretty bad memory actually...

let me refresh it...

ch 510- sh pirates vs combat weapon...

chopper...woah, thts effective - http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-11/one-piece/chapter-510.htm
franky- deflected d beam..phew...http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-12/one-piece/chapter-510.html
lol... brook...crap... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-13/one-piece/chapter-510.html
usopp....imp breakthrough.... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-14/one-piece/chapter-510.html
robin....now that was effective... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-15/one-piece/chapter-510.html
nami.... there goes d wiring... shot circuit http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-16/one-piece/chapter-510.html


dnt wanna mention monster trio... bcoz we remember that ... don't we

just realized... actually brook does not deserve even 0.5 pacista considering the above mentioned scenario... i gave him tht considering 2 yr skip.... oops

 

[Uriel]

You'll think I'm mad or something, but I seriously think that at this point (Now, this arc, FI) everyone is able to defeat at least 1 Pacifista in their own if not more.

And I think Luffy can beat more than 6. Lot more than 6.

 

[kkck]

Well, luffy basically blits and overpowered a pacifista with a little haki and a partial gear two, somehow I think a horde of pacifista could not actually take him right now. Can you imagine what his jet gattling would do to a squadron of them? How about his gear 3 lol? Sanji and zoro seem to be on the same league..... Then again, it was already implied the pacifista have been upgraded a great deal in the last two years so perhaps it won't be so simple next time.

I also think brook is being grossly underestimated. Whatever upgrade he had over the last 2 years has been so far more conspicuous than the rest of the strawhats but I do doubt he did not get anything. He already has shown great speed and swordsmanship overall (his physical capacities are not as good obviously but in turn his actual technique is more than a match to zoro's as we saw when ryuma fought). His music has power too which is no small deal, probably that is behind his fame over the last two years. Overall brook is IMO the fifth strongest strawhat right after franky.

 

[zelllogan]

ya... i got a pretty bad memory actually...

let me refresh it...

ch 510- sh pirates vs combat weapon...

chopper...woah, thts effective - http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-11/one-piece/chapter-510.htm
franky- deflected d beam..phew...http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-12/one-piece/chapter-510.html
lol... brook...crap... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-13/one-piece/chapter-510.html
usopp....imp breakthrough.... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-14/one-piece/chapter-510.html
robin....now that was effective... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-15/one-piece/chapter-510.html
nami.... there goes d wiring... shot circuit http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-16/one-piece/chapter-510.html


dnt wanna mention monster trio... bcoz we remember that ... don't we

just realized... actually brook does not deserve even 0.5 pacista considering the above mentioned scenario... i gave him tht considering 2 yr skip.... oops

Yeah, I agree. Brook is the weakest strawhat by far.

 

[chess4]

the reason i say that usopp will be the 4th in command on the ship is this. luffy, zoro, sanji, and usopp are the only ones shown to have gotten direct combat training under a master of their fighting style.

im sure the others practiced fighting as well, but im sure oda constructed it like this 4 a reason.

now because i say usopp will be 4th in command does not mean he is the 4th strongest hand to hand combat wise. frankie or chopper would slaughter usopp in a fight where he didnt have time to prepare but if usopp had a few moment to prepare like he did against luffy then i think he is the 4th strognest

 

[Uriel]

Beware, in command things are different. Nami and Zoro are the ones who follow Luffy in direct chain and it's not because their power. And because Zoro doesn't interfere that much and Luffy mostly lulz, Nami is the one who gives more orders and gets things done xD

 

[Naruffy]

ya... i got a pretty bad memory actually...

let me refresh it...

ch 510- sh pirates vs combat weapon...

chopper...woah, thts effective - http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-11/one-piece/chapter-510.htm
franky- deflected d beam..phew...http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-12/one-piece/chapter-510.html
lol... brook...crap... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-13/one-piece/chapter-510.html
usopp....imp breakthrough.... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-14/one-piece/chapter-510.html
robin....now that was effective... http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-15/one-piece/chapter-510.html
nami.... there goes d wiring... shot circuit http://www.mangareader.net/103-2617-16/one-piece/chapter-510.html


dnt wanna mention monster trio... bcoz we remember that ... don't we

just realized... actually brook does not deserve even 0.5 pacista considering the above mentioned scenario... i gave him tht considering 2 yr skip.... oops

Comparing how they fight against one type of enemy isn't an effective way of determining who's the strongest.