Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[neomaster121]

3 admirals
and we have the monster trio

i don't think we will see luffy one by one taking out the admirals
also luffy fought against 2 shichibukai
Zoro fought against 2 shichibukai (tho lost)

so there should be at least an opotunity for sanji and Zoro to fight against admirals

Luffy vs AKani
Zoro vs kizaru
Sanji vs Ajoki
done

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

xeteboi
Defeat is when a person can't continue fighting and every Admiral continued fighting until the War was ended, so no WB never defeated any Admiral.

Actually the fight in the anime is quite different from what was actually in the manga, so it's not right to compare them. The actual truth is what was shown in the manga. Also Sakazuki actually inflicted more damage to WB and it was way more serious. WB eventually would have died from such injuries.
Of course if WB was younger and wasn't sick he would have defeated an Admiral or maybe even two, but as we saw him in the manga he couldn't defeat even one.

Also I was saying that I can't see Zoro and Sanji defeating Admiral one on one, cause even to surpass that old and sick WB is not an easy feat and not only for persons without DF, but for everyone. WB was a monster who could tank more than anyone we've seen in the manga, he had tremendous physical power and one of the strongest DF. He also had quite good Haki and had Haoshuku Haki, but still he couldn't defeat even one Admiral.
So those who asume that for example Sanji will defeat an Admiral believe that his kick would be stronger than the quake that can literary turn the island upside down?

 

[Uriel]

Logical has proven to be insufficient with One Piece. You're thinking with the logic of other manga, I believe. MORE if we talk about Luffy, which all the rules prescribed break incredibly fast and with an unbelievable but coherent reason.

Luffy WILL BE THE DAMN PIRATE KING. Enough to say that if Raileigh, the second in command of Roger, old and all COULD stop Kizaru and survive the fight without injuries...Then Zoro the second in command of Luffy, the man who will surpass Roger, can do the same and overcome that fight with better ressults considering ALSO the age. And if we think that Monster Trio are quite balanced, then Sanji wouldn't be that far of being able to achieve the same.

To achieve that, they need to already have learned the basics of Haki.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

LordUriel
I agree that Luffy will surpass both WB and Roger to become Pirate King in this age, but I don't think that Zoro and Sanji will become stronger or significantly stronger than Rayleigh and Roger's Second Mate.
Luffy is considerably stronger than Sanji or Zoro and even though they are Monster Trio the same logic can't be implied for Luffy and his other crew members. He is the main hero, so of course he will surpass everyone, but we can't say that his teammates will surpass the stronest man aside from Gol D. Roger in this manga.

 

[Uriel]

Zoro has been always close and Luffy wouldn't be happy if He couldn't rely on him to protect the rest of the crew. Same as Sanji.

Think on the kids. (?)

 

[jorped]

On my opinion i think that we can expect a lot from each of the straw hats, Luffy is probably going to become in the end the most powerful guy that has ever existed, and Sanji and Zoro won't be very far from that, in my opinion ! Both Zoro and Sanji in the end are probably going to have power to challenge a Admiral and most likely to defeat them !!!!

Of course Luffy is the strongest but both Zoro and Sanji have always been close to him! If Luffy is going to become the pirate king and most likely the strongest man ever , Sanji and Zoro have also to be very strong!!!

but after this chapter i got the idea that maybe Jimbei has a chance of joining the crew. Before this chapter i thought that Jimbei joining SH could happen but i never gave to it much probability of ending happening but after this chapter something in me gave me the feeling that that has changed, what do you guys think about it?

 

[zelllogan]

I was busy watching thriller bark again ... episode 348 ... I didn't remind that Brooke was that impressive ... He did saved both robin & Franky who were utterly defeated ... And he did it in one attack against that spider ...

I really don't understand how most people can put him around the same level of the weak trio ...
At the same moment, Usopp & Chopper were pathetic against Lola ...

 

[jorped]

i read the 609 chapters out of OP on that time in more and less 8 days, so it means that i read it pretty fast. but on that time unless i didn't find brook weak i also didn't found in spectacular, but i guess that i can also be with wrongs ideas about him! of brook in thriller bark i can only remember him loosing to a swordsman, which was after defeated by Zoro , i think .

i think brook is a bit victim of one of the most boring arcs of OP (thriller bark - where he was introduced!

 

[zelllogan]

i read the 609 chapters out of OP on that time in more and less 8 days, so it means that i read it pretty fast. but on that time unless i didn't find brook weak i also didn't found in spectacular, but i guess that i can also be with wrongs ideas about him! of brook in thriller bark i can only remember him loosing to a swordsman, which was after defeated by Zoro , i think .

i think brook is a bit victim of one of the most boring arcs of OP (thriller bark - where he was introduced!

From thriller bark, I also remembered only his defeat to ryoma but the way he defeat the spider before is impressive.

The spider took that enormous nunchaku from Franky & wasn't that much hurt. Brook cut the spider in two extremely easily.

 

[jorped]

yeah you are right maybe most of us should think a little highly of Brook, hope he does great thinks during this FI arc

 

[Ero-Sanji]

I think both Brooke and Chopper are heavily underestimated and it's really not that strange due to the fact that their awesome fighting moments are overshadowed by their weakness in their funny moments. Just recently, Zoro was portrayed as the cool and strong hero while Brooke stood for the comedy.

Hopefully we'll see more of both Chopper and Brooke!

 

[Uriel]

Right now having not seen the human form is something I'm actually quite curious about. Seeing only the Kung Fu Point does not impress me. But I have high confidence in him, without even thinking on Monter Point.

 

[jorped]

i also have an huge confidence on Chopper and i was impressed with his Kung Fu point!!!! can't wait to see to see more of him

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

I dont see anyone from the monster trio grouping up against anyone... VA , admiral, first mate of yonkou etc... against there pride.. so they have to grow eventually and individually..

 

[kkck]

They already have teamed up against admirals though. Aokiji almost killed them but they did team up against him. The crew as a whole also fought the pacifista back in the day. Zoro and sanji double teamed a pacifista. If it is necessary the strawhats will team up without a second thought.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Pacifista and aokiji case seemed different... luffy took aokiji one on one afterwards... also they never took it as a man to man fight to start wid... they just tested him to start wid... and then only luffy said i will fight him one on one..

against kuma when sanji kicked him in middle of zoro vs kuma... zoro did get angry wid that... when they realized its a robot only they teamed up against him at SA... i still think they wud like to have a one on one fight rather than teaming up...

another case at thriller bark.. oz was a pawn and they teamed up against him and once moriah was out only luffy fought him..

 

[kkck]

Luffy only fought one on one because he wanted to give his crew a chance to run. And he did fight "mano a mano", that much was in the manga and the reason aokiji did not go after the rest of the crew. It did not seem like a test though. I really don't think the strawhat pirates have any reservation about ganging up on someone. They are pirates for crying out loud. Rather than actually giving a crap about fighting one on one or ganging up, what the crew does is simply have each member fulfill their part.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Luffy only fought one on one because he wanted to give his crew a chance to run. And he did fight "mano a mano", that much was in the manga and the reason aokiji did not go after the rest of the crew. It did not seem like a test though. I really don't think the strawhat pirates have any reservation about ganging up on someone. They are pirates for crying out loud. Rather than actually giving a crap about fighting one on one or ganging up, what the crew does is simply have each member fulfill their part.

Yes they are pirates but they have done lot of things with there sense of justice.. which pirates might not do.. moreover i see that zoro takes his pride more in being a swordsman than a pirate ... though he can go beyond limits on that when it is a question of helping luffy to be pirate king (like asking hawk eye for training) .. but still that is as far as it goes.. to find time for escaping with a gang attack is different but going on a direct fight to decide is different..... when the time comes everyone will choose their opponents for sure

 

[chess4]

the strawhats will have to be strong since they will be a small crew. i will compare them to some characters that i think they will be as strong as

luffy- will be just as strong as roger was in his prime. rogers could hear the voice of all things. i think that rogers had such control over the 3 haki's tht it evolved into that ability.

zoro- he will be like mihawk and rayleigh mix together. he will develp the 3 haki's like rayleigh, but will be a pure sword user like mihawk.

sanji-will be like invonkov and red leg zeff mix together times 4. sanji was taught by zeff and invoknov, so of course he will just use his legs but has incorporated some newkama kenpo as well. he will develop color of armnament and observation.

usopp- he will be like yassop and hurcules mix together times 2. he will develop color of arnament and observation.

frankie-he will be like kuma times 2. no haki but maybe seastone implants in his arms or something.

brook-he will be like vista 1.5 with a bit of scratchman apoo in there.

chopper-if you were to take half the strength oz jr, half the strength of diamond jozu, with a sprinkle of marco then thats what chopper will eventually be fighting wise.

robin/nami- i think they will both be around strength of boa hancock, minus the haki's.

*special*

since i think hyouzou is going to join the crew, i think he will be fisher tiger 2.0

 

[zelllogan]

The only argument to overrate Usopp so much is that Yasopp is his father.
We don't even know how strong Yasopp is ... & why should the strawhats match themselves with the red hair pirates ? The second in command is a wise gunman (Beckman) & the captain is a swordman who sparred with mihawk ...

Face it, Usopp is one of the two weaker strawhats.
The way you underrate robin & brook is laughable as well.

Usopp won't ever be stronger than robin, brook or Franky. Those 3 are out of his league.

Usopp & Nami will grow stronger but their main job will always be "fodder disposal" added to their "versatility" which can be used in some specific situations. They will become strong but the ranking within the strawhats didn't change after timeskip & won't ever change ...