Erza stomps her effortlessly at any point and any Fairy Tail arc. They have never been comparable this is just fan made because Mirajane is a very loved character. There is like 0 argument for Current Mirajane against Current Erza.
It was stated MANY times she was on pair with Mira but Erza did not get powerup last time. So Mira now is above Erza. Yet I have a feeling that Erza will get new powers after Irene fight and will move on top.
It’s like I’m talking to a wall with no common sense. I’m out. I’m right, you’re wrong and you’re stupid. Bye.
When did Mirajane even bother to attack them in Satan Soul? She released one blast and then stood still in one position. Didn’t bother to fly. Or run. Or attack. She was nerfed. And that’s a fact.
That’s not how nerfs work. A nerf in that situation would be like if someone’s magic held Mirajane in place and she wasn’t able to move, and then they hit her. Her not doing something you think she should be able to do is not a nerf. Otherwise, every character is nerfed in every fight they’re in just because someone think they should’ve been able to do something that they haven’t done.
Either way extreme diff. Though Current erza has no counter to macro. Her and Laxus were done in by Kyria's hypnosis. Mira is stronger and is using a curse not, hypnosis which fails vs awareness.
Natsu said the strongest were in the middle so Mira or Laxus would be there in the same arc Laxus basically tied with Erza. Now it seems Erza is fighting motherglare, mira scissor runner and Laxus levia.
Mashima is not going to write mira being low diffed by Erza.
Either way extreme diff. Though Current erza has no counter to macro. Her and Laxus were done in by Kyria's hypnosis. Mira is stronger and is using a curse not, hypnosis which fails vs awareness.
Natsu said the strongest were in the middle so Mira or Laxus would be there in the same arc Laxus basically tied with Erza. Now it seems Erza is fighting motherglare, mira scissor runner and Laxus levia.
Mashima is not going to write mira being low diffed by Erza.
Natsu’s statement that “the strongest would be in the middle” does not at all imply that all the people there are equal in power. If Mirajane had a power level of 100, Laxus 200 and jellal 200, and everyone else has a power level below 100, it would be completely accurate to say that the strongest are in the middle, but it does not imply they’re all equals. That statement shows no parity whatsoever. The S class wizard in fairy tail can be considered fairy tails strongest but that has literally never meant they were all equal in power. I find it odd you consider THAT a statement worth upscaling Mirajane, but the repeated statement that Erza is the strongest female wizard in fairy tail doesn’t change anything for you.
Given the current feats shown Erza eclipses Mirajane, even if we assume motherglare and scissor runner are on par with each other. Erza’s performance against motherglare was more impressive than anything Mirajane has done at the moment, although we haven’t actually seen her do much of anything yet. The macro argument is null and void because there are a plethora of characters with no actual counter to macro that Mirajane cannot beat, and that’s even assuming that they don’t blitz her before she can use macro. You might as well argue Mirajane could defeat ignia with macro.
By neither feats nor portrayal have Mirajane and Erza ever been equal enough that Mirajane could extreme diff Erza like the way Laxus did. The Laxus that stomped skullion and madmole that Mirajane was convinced she could not defeat.
Natsu’s statement that “the strongest would be in the middle” does not at all imply that all the people there are equal in power. If Mirajane had a power level of 100, Laxus 200 and jellal 200, and everyone else has a power level below 100, it would be completely accurate to say that the strongest are in the middle, but it does not imply they’re all equals. That statement shows no parity whatsoever. The S class wizard in fairy tail can be considered fairy tails strongest but that has literally never meant they were all equal in power. I find it odd you consider THAT a statement worth upscaling Mirajane, but the repeated statement that Erza is the strongest female wizard in fairy tail doesn’t change anything for you.
Not really. He said the strongest would be in the middle so Mira OR Laxus, Jellal is fine too. How does that mean Laxus and Jellal >>>Mirajane? Also Erza had that title when Mira had basically retired. No one knows if she had it when Mira was active so unless you can prove she earned that when Mira was active... Correct translation of Lucy's statement also compares them : Speaking of tough opponents (Mira) Laxus and Jellal remain.
Given the current feats shown Erza eclipses Mirajane, even if we assume motherglare and scissor runner are on par with each other. Erza’s performance against motherglare was more impressive than anything Mirajane has done at the moment, although we haven’t actually seen her do much of anything yet. The macro argument is null and void because there are a plethora of characters with no actual counter to macro that Mirajane cannot beat, and that’s even assuming that they don’t blitz her before she can use macro. You might as well argue Mirajane could defeat ignia with macro.
Please spare me, Kyria shut down Laxus and Erza with her hypnosis. Mira scales higher than Kyria. False equivalence comparing Erza to a dragon and even then we don't know the extent to which curses impact dragons. Brandish, Jellal and Kyria's hax worked on Erza in 100 years quest so even if you rank Mira somewhere among them there is no canon scene, statement or implication that macro would fail on Erza.
Erza also got one slash in with a dragon slaying armor. Boasting about that, really? Oh yes well I guess that is better than Mira not starting yet. You win lmao.
By neither feats nor portrayal have Mirajane and Erza ever been equal enough that Mirajane could extreme diff Erza like the way Laxus did. The Laxus that stomped skullion and madmole that Mirajane was convinced she could not defeat.
The Laxus who also stomped Kyria who Erza thought was strong and was shocked he beat. What did Erza do later?
Mira did better vs Azuma with her basic satan soul than Erza's regular armors; Mira and Erza mirrored one another in Tartaros. Even if you want to say Kyoka is 2 times stronger than Seilah which is false, Kyoka one shot Armadura and Seilah used 2 hits to knock Mira out of Sitri. Mira upgraded her take over and Erza used a weird sixth sense that fans still bash today to beat those demons.
Mira tied with Skullion while Kyria's hax got erza then the 2nd time Erza got benizakura broken and used and enchanted sword to fight back. Skullion didn't beat BSS or nullify her abilities like that and he's Kyria's leader. He low diffed Gray but couldn't beat Mira at her weakest while Kyria outclassed Erza with her clear heart + benizakura combo.
Yeah as if Erza could blitz Mirajane.
They are always portrayed as equals what are you talking about? S class mages, most reliable duo, demon vs fairy; rivals as kids,
You're right, Mira wouldn't extreme diff Laxus like Erza did, she'd likely do better. She can macro him just like Kyria hypnotized him. lmao
This is why after every timeskip fans complain about asspulls when it comes to Mira. They keep expecting her to be shown weak and Mashima never does it. Every single time skip showed her being portrayed as comparable to Erza and the other s class.
In the manga Mira is half of the most reliable duo with Erza (equal partners) and Natsu thought either her, Laxus or Jellal would be in the center as the most powerful are at the center (interchangeable). With regards to powerscaling he said Natsu would never be able to beat Laxus in a one vs one and same for Erza and Gildarts. He did not mention Mira (logically since Natsu doesn't actively challenge her, except for the battle of FT 2) however, he also said the power balance in fairy tail doesn't change much and the power balance itself doesn't collapse inspite of protagonist/friendship buffs, so that just supports that Mira = Erza.
People forget that part of his recent conversation and harp on the first part when he spoke about Natsu not beating Gildarts, Laxus and Erza. So no it is not clear that Mira is weaker than Erza since they both did not fight similar tiered opponents since Kyria, Skullion & Gray. One can argue Daemon and Oracion Sechs is Faris' answer to Ignia's fire and flame lackies but their scaling is inconsistent.
A couple arcs later, Natsu singled out "Gildarts, Laxus, Erza" as the strong ones of the guild. Mira was excluded.
Now they're fighting the same tier opponents. We don't how they will play out, but Mira has 3 other people with her. Including Elfman who's strong in his own right. Erza is fighting hers alone.
(Confused on how it supports Mira = Erza, when Erza was outright stated to be the strongest woman in fairy tail in the GMG.)
A couple arcs later, Natsu singled out "Gildarts, Laxus, Erza" as the strong ones of the guild. Mira was excluded.
Now they're fighting the same tier opponents. We don't how they will play out, but Mira has 3 other people with her. Including Elfman who's strong in his own right. Erza is fighting hers alone.
(Confused on how it supports Mira = Erza, when Erza was outright stated to be the strongest woman in fairy tail in the GMG.)
When did Natsu say that? And does that debunk him saying Mira or Laxus or Jellal would be in the center since the strongest are there? That would still make Mira and Erza comparable even if this was true. Correct translation of Lucy's comment also supports this since when Mira was down she said speaking of the tough opponents Laxus and Jellal remain.
You say you don't know how it plays out but then use it to prove she's weaker . Erza is getting totally outclassed, Laxus is down for now and Mira has done nothing and her team did nothing. You act as if Erza is doing anything to Motherglare while Mira is getting beaten by scissor runnner right now. I'm guess Erza > Laxus by your logic since he's knocked out and she's not vs her dragon?
Erza's title doesn't mean much if she got it when Mira was inactive and you have characters and the author wanking them as comparable (most reliable duo, Mashima keeping the power scaling in the guild the same, Mira or Laxus would be there since the strongest are in the center, Lucy calling Laxus Jellal and Mira the tough oppnents).
Unless you believe Mashima is keeping the scaling the same means Mira's inactive phase? Lol then Mira is below Juvia, Lucy, Cana, Elfman etc.
And again Mashima saying he tries to keep the power scaling the same would mean Mira is comparable to Erza since the original ranking supports that and when Mira reawakened she was not stunted by anything as fans claim given her Azuma and Seilah fights.
Most reliable duo, Mashima keeping the scaling the same in the guild by his own admission, S class mages, Mira compared to Laxus and Jellal, Laxus warning Jellal about Mira, Gray's entire relationship with Mira throughout 100 years quest all put the S class on the same general level. And Mira also has hax that none of them have shown a counter to just like Jellal and his bind snake.
When did Natsu say that? And does that debunk him saying Mira or Laxus or Jellal would be in the center since the strongest are there? That would still make Mira and Erza comparable even if this was true. Correct translation of Lucy's comment also supports this since when Mira was down she said speaking of the tough opponents Laxus and Jellal remain.
You say you don't know how it plays out but then use it to prove she's weaker . Erza is getting totally outclassed, Laxus is down for now and Mira has done nothing and her team did nothing. You act as if Erza is doing anything to Motherglare while Mira is getting beaten by scissor runnner right now. I'm guess Erza > Laxus by your logic since he's knocked out and she's not vs her dragon?
Erza's title doesn't mean much if she got it when Mira was inactive and you have characters and the author wanking them as comparable (most reliable duo, Mashima keeping the power scaling in the guild the same, Mira or Laxus would be there since the strongest are in the center, Lucy calling Laxus Jellal and Mira the tough oppnents).
Unless you believe Mashima is keeping the scaling the same means Mira's inactive phase? Lol then Mira is below Juvia, Lucy, Cana, Elfman etc.
And again Mashima saying he tries to keep the power scaling the same would mean Mira is comparable to Erza since the original ranking supports that and when Mira reawakened she was not stunted by anything as fans claim given her Azuma and Seilah fights.
Most reliable duo, Mashima keeping the scaling the same in the guild by his own admission, S class mages, Mira compared to Laxus and Jellal, Laxus warning Jellal about Mira, Gray's entire relationship with Mira throughout 100 years quest all put the S class on the same general level. And Mira also has hax that none of them have shown a counter to just like Jellal and his bind snake.
Show me a Mira's feat, a real one, on par with Erza, Gildarts or Laxus. And yes, Natsu pointed Erza, Gildarts and Laxus as aces as he wanted to fight them, while Erza was already on his side lol. Again, like said, Mira wasn't mentioned as the aces. She is strong, but not that tier.
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Natsu : So we can hit them. Gildarts !! Laxus !! Erza !! Come here !
Lucy : Do not call the strongest one !!
Erza : I am here !
Show me a Mira's feat, a real one, on par with Erza, Gildarts or Laxus. And yes, Natsu pointed Erza, Gildarts and Laxus as aces as he wanted to fight them, while Erza was already on his side lol. Again, like said, Mira wasn't mentioned as the aces. She is strong, but not that tier.
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Natsu : So we can hit them. Gildarts !! Laxus !! Erza !! Come here !
Lucy : Do not call the strongest one !!
Erza : I am here !
She was compared to Laxus and Jellal by Natsu and Lucy. Hahaha. Natsu also spoke about wanting to fight her and Laxus after this scene so I guess I am right.
Show me the feat that she isn't? You need a feat to debunk character statements.
Her BSS did better than Erza's regular armors vs Azuma. Sitri was two shot by Seilah so Mira surpassed her limits, took over Seilah's curse and summon Elfman. Armadura was one shot by Kyoka, Erza went beyond her limits and used her sixth sense to fight Kyoka before Minerva killed her. Clear heart and Benizakura was out matched by Kyria so Erza pushed her back and was gaining an advantage with belserion. Mira tied with Skullion in her BSS then gave gray and extreme diff fight. Mira did not fight Laxus or Misaki after. Does this mean she can't? You don't have feats or hype to say so. Had she failed against Misaki or Laxus you could argue that.
Are you serious ? Azuma received minor damages.
Still he didn't take in control Tenrô so Mirajane was still blessed while Erza was not, using only her own Magic to save everyone.
Sitri was two shot by Seilah so Mira surpassed her limits, took over Seilah's curse and summon Elfman. Armadura was one shot by Kyoka, Erza went beyond her limits and used her sixth sense to fight Kyoka before Minerva killed her.
Kyoka was already stronger and at least on par with Seilha. Then Kyoka add Seilha's magic with her own against Erza.
This opponent was far beyond Mira's actual opponent.
When was she outmatched ? Beacause she broke her blade ? Ok, Minerva did the same then Erza crushed her with her bare hands.
Erza, in her swimmsuit and a classic blade was already above Kyria as a fighter so she used her hypnosis to put her hand down.
This is a parallel to Laxus who crushed her physically but should have been down to hypnosis without his brainwatched control.
Remember Erza crushed her with a one strike of Fire Empress Armor ?
She didn't tied, she contained him until some exhaustion. She said they, with Elfman, couldn't have won this battle.
In some, BSS or other forms were not enough against such opponent perid.
If she can't against Skullion, yes she can't. They both were warm-ups for Laxus and Laxus feared Kirin and get bypassed until he stole Elexion's soul and replacement of his Lacrima.
Misaki was paralleled to Kirin, Erza by anger, took over her own magic dimension before the end blow.
Can't you see the gap ?
You have to try better to give real Mira's feats on par with Laxus' or Erza's.
She was compared to Laxus and Jellal after by Natsu and Lucy. Hahaha. Natsu also spoke about wanting to fight her and Laxus after this scene so I guess I am right.
He wanted to fight Gildarts, Laxus and Erza who was at his side. Not Gajeel, not Mira, not Jellal, not Grey or anyone else in the guild.
Natsu wants to surpass the strongest in the Guild to be on top. The mentioned 3 are his walls, the people he has to surpass under competitive condition.
He is aware Gajeel, Mira and Jellal are strong opponents and wanted to fight them previously on Aldoron but he had no interest here for them.
In that so, we have Natsu's priorities in the Guild.
When did Natsu say that? And does that debunk him saying Mira or Laxus or Jellal would be in the center since the strongest are there? That would still make Mira and Erza comparable even if this was true. Correct translation of Lucy's comment also supports this since when Mira was down she said speaking of the tough opponents Laxus and Jellal remain.
You say you don't know how it plays out but then use it to prove she's weaker . Erza is getting totally outclassed, Laxus is down for now and Mira has done nothing and her team did nothing. You act as if Erza is doing anything to Motherglare while Mira is getting beaten by scissor runnner right now. I'm guess Erza > Laxus by your logic since he's knocked out and she's not vs her dragon?
Erza's title doesn't mean much if she got it when Mira was inactive and you have characters and the author wanking them as comparable (most reliable duo, Mashima keeping the power scaling in the guild the same, Mira or Laxus would be there since the strongest are in the center, Lucy calling Laxus Jellal and Mira the tough oppnents).
Unless you believe Mashima is keeping the scaling the same means Mira's inactive phase? Lol then Mira is below Juvia, Lucy, Cana, Elfman etc.
And again Mashima saying he tries to keep the power scaling the same would mean Mira is comparable to Erza since the original ranking supports that and when Mira reawakened she was not stunted by anything as fans claim given her Azuma and Seilah fights.
Most reliable duo, Mashima keeping the scaling the same in the guild by his own admission, S class mages, Mira compared to Laxus and Jellal, Laxus warning Jellal about Mira, Gray's entire relationship with Mira throughout 100 years quest all put the S class on the same general level. And Mira also has hax that none of them have shown a counter to just like Jellal and his bind snake.
No but doesn't change the fact, Erza, Mira, and Laxus are fighting people of the same tier and Erza Laxus are one on one, while Mira has a team with her.
Mira best feat is oneshotting Daemon in her Alergia form. However we don't know how they scale.
Are you serious ? Azuma received minor damages.
Still he didn't take in control Tenrô so Mirajane was still blessed while Erza was not, using only her own Magic to save everyone.
Mira blitzed him, kicked him hard, matched him in hand to hand until distracted by Lisanna. Minor injuries? Her nuke damaged his shield and him. Her kick was a critial blow. Blessed? Azuma used FT's magic, Jellal reached out to Erza with his feelings then Erza was using FT's magic too to beat him. Mira gave up for lisanna and both girls couldn't use Armadura or Sitri at the time. So both Erza and Azuma used ft's magic and Jellal's feelings assisted. In a stright up clash BSS did better than heaven's wheel, blackwing etc. vs Azuma. Funny because they both actuallty came to the same conclusion i.e. use all their magic to attack. Mira gave up for Lisanna while Erza continued. That was it.
Kyoka was already stronger and at least on par with Seilha. Then Kyoka add Seilha's magic with her own against Erza.
This opponent was far beyond Mira's actual opponent.
Seilah barely had any power when she gave it to Kyoka and my point stands. Kyoka one shot Armadura and Seilah landed two hits to deactivate Sitri. Is Kyoka more than two times stronger than Seilah? Kyoka and Seilah were close in power, give how they interacted with Mirajane and Erza. You all scale hapharzadly. Mira's opponent is always way weaker than Erza's because in your minds Erza is way stronger than Mira. However in canon, Erza and Mira were portrayed as equals and called the most reliable duo in this arc; performed identically vs Tartaros lackies it was even drawn for them to mirror one another which is an illustrating technique Mashima used then they both extreme diffed Seilah and Kyoka while similarly being knocked out of their strongest forms. How much clearer was that supposed to be really? Seilah and Kyoka were lovers, the prominent enemies in the arc as opposed to most of the other gates and a team. Mira and Erza went into this arc as the most reliable ft members and a team and were sturggling, losing and then winning in the same way.
When was she outmatched ? Beacause she broke her blade ? Ok, Minerva did the same then Erza crushed her with her bare hands.
Erza, in her swimmsuit and a classic blade was already above Kyria as a fighter so she used her hypnosis to put her hand down.
This is a parallel to Laxus who crushed her physically but should have been down to hypnosis without his brainwatched control.
Remember Erza crushed her with a one strike of Fire Empress Armor ?
Kyria was matching Erza's swordsmanship and her breaking her blade was a feat and treated as such by the narrative. Erza then used a new enchanted sword and Flame Empress and gained the advantage. Erza did not cursh her with one strike. Skullion took her away. This is supported later by Erza being shocked that Laxus beat Kyria and calling her strong. Minerva was also hyped as Erza tiered and still is being wanked by people like Jellal in 100 years quest so not sure what that was proving.
She didn't tied, she contained him until some exhaustion. She said they, with Elfman, couldn't have won this battle.
In some, BSS or other forms were not enough against such opponent perid.
LOL this is a bold faced lie. "She contained them". Do you all hear yourselves? Contrived criteria and flowery language to mask fallacy.
This is a tie on her first encounter with the guy who low difed Gray and who was leading Kyria who yes, outmatched Erza with clear heart and Benizakura.
And I love how it's always Skullion, Natsu and Gray's dialogues are always left out from this arc when it comes to Mira in these discussions.
Madmole:"That goes for us too. You guys are stronger than expected."
If BSS was tied with it then halphas would low diff it since it low diffed BSS in the past. She just used Seilah to macro Daemon so...
If she can't against Skullion, yes she can't. They both were warm-ups for Laxus and Laxus feared Kirin and get bypassed until he stole Elexion's soul and replacement of his Lacrima.
Misaki was paralleled to Kirin, Erza by anger, removed her own magic dimension before the end blow.
Can't you see the gap ?
You have to try better to give real Mira's feats on par with Laxus' or Erza's.
Try harder. Mira's weakest form tied with him. Now scale her 2nd or 3rd weakest forms to that?
What did Mira do against Kirin and Misaki? Oh wait she didn't fight them. Right before that however she was wanked as Laxus/Erza tier.
And you have to try better to disprove these statements.
Mira isn't on par with Erza because Erza fought Laxus and she didn't so Natsu saying Mira or Laxus would be in the middle as the strongest doesn't count.
Mira isn't comparable to Erza because she didn't fight Misaki or Kirin so the most reliable duo is Erza and her assistant.
Mashima saying he keeps the fairy tail power scaling the same doesn't mean nothing because Erza was called the stronget woman maybe when Mira was inactive so the powerscaling he is keeping up is inactive mira with active laxus and Erza.
This is how ridiculous this fandom presents itself. The fact that you all directly and indirectly support that Mira is the weakest S class mage by a significant amount, her enemies are vastly weaker than Erza's enemies and that all the statements are wrong because Mira was absent from arcs where Laxus and Erza fought people after, is insane.
This is why all of you found it so hard to believe the whole Gray situation. Because you all actually convinced yourself that she was tiers below the S class and Gray and Gajeel lmao. And you guys continue to be shocked and yell it's an asspull every timeskip and every time she is shown or hyped as being strong. When will you learn?
No but doesn't change the fact, Erza, Mira, and Laxus are fighting people of the same tier and Erza Laxus are one on one, while Mira has a team with her.
Mira best feat is oneshotting Daemon in her Alergia form. However we don't know how they scale.
Erza is losing so far, Laxus is not conscious and Mira didn't fight yet and people came to support her. Nothing about this shows anything about their individual powers. Because this supports Erza > Laxus by your own logic. Erza is not standing as an equal or dominating an opponent as strong as 1 Mira has a team fighting to hold off. And as you said you have no idea how this will unfold so...
And this is why character statements and hype matter. Mira is not present for arcs or fights so Mashima has people hype her so when she does show up we know where she stands. She did not fight Laxus or Erza but in that same arc Natsu and Lucy compared her to Jellal and Laxus. That's authorial intent. Mashima also recently confirmed again that he is keeping the fairy tail power scaling the same so again this places Mira with Erza.
They can be in the middle and the strongest opponents remaining for Natsu. That's true. To be in same place doesn't proove Mirajane = Laxus, specially when no one is aware about Laxus' new Mode.
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I think the comparative between Erza and Laxus is clear all along in the Quest. You put Mirajane on par about a geographic statement ?
4 characters in same place can be the 4 strongest remaining, this is not a rivalry suggestion between them.
. Erza is getting totally outclassed, Laxus is down for now and Mira has done nothing and her team did nothing. You act as if Erza is doing anything to Motherglare while Mira is getting beaten by scissor runnner right now. I'm guess Erza > Laxus by your logic since he's knocked out and she's not vs her dragon? 
