Discussion Escanor

[Gallon]

And how fast it increases, cause it seems it does pretty fast

Exponentially, to say the least. I mean, it needs to involve a huge jump in power level, especially judging by how he easily overpowered Izraf at dawn.

 

[Livewire12]

Exponentially, to say the least. I mean, it needs to involve a huge jump in power level, especially judging by how he easily overpowered Izraf at dawn.

Yes, but how big is exponentially.

300 to 5k at dawn is already a huge boost at being about a 16x increase.

But that doesn't make sense seeing as escanor was able to lift a weapon that base in shape Meliodas with power level over 32,500+ couldn't lift, and with only 1 arm.

So you could also make a argument that base day escanor is already stronger than base in shape Meliodas, leading Meliodas to believe escanor is stronger than him regardless of whether or not he's seen noon escanor before. It makes sense that if Escanors base is already stronger than his base, he would just flat out state escanor is stronger regardless of if both are at full power.

Nakaba could have dodged how strong base day escanor was because of how insane it would have seen at the time. Merlin gave izraf's power level, but didn't give Escanors when he killed him by standing there, and not moving.

But a over 100x increase at dawn is insane, however that could be the largest jump and after that his power steadily rises until noon.

But at the same time we know nothing of the axe.

It could be enchanted like Thor's hammer mjolnir, and only escanor can use it.
But that wouldn't explain why night escanor couldn't lift it then.
Maybe it can only be wielded in conjuncture with sunshine, or only day escanor?
Or maybe it's simply THAT insanely heavy like Meliodas said it was, which means base day escanor is at the very least physically stronger than base in shape Meliodas.

Way too many variables to consider when talking about Escanors power level.

 

[Gallon]

Yes, but how big is exponentially.

300 to 5k at dawn is already a huge boost at being about a 16x increase.

But that doesn't make sense seeing as escanor was able to lift a weapon that base in shape Meliodas with power level over 32,500+ couldn't lift, and with only 1 arm.

So you could also make a argument that base day escanor is already stronger than base in shape Meliodas, leading Meliodas to believe escanor is stronger than him regardless of whether or not he's seen noon escanor before. It makes sense that if Escanors base is already stronger than his base, he would just flat out state escanor is stronger regardless of if both are at full power.

Nakaba could have dodged how strong base day escanor was because of how insane it would have seen at the time. Merlin gave izraf's power level, but didn't give Escanors when he killed him by standing there, and not moving.

But a over 100x increase at dawn is insane, however that could be the largest jump and after that his power steadily rises until noon.

But at the same time we know nothing of the axe.

It could be enchanted like Thor's hammer mjolnir, and only escanor can use it.
But that wouldn't explain why night escanor couldn't lift it then.
Maybe it can only be wielded in conjuncture with sunshine, or only day escanor?
Or maybe it's simply THAT insanely heavy like Meliodas said it was, which means base day escanor is at the very least physically stronger than base in shape Meliodas.

Way too many variables to consider when talking about Escanors power level.

Esky likely gets a huge boost at dawn, but his growth in PL is of lower amount after that. I mean, having a constant percentage of increase is too much: he'd have a PL of millions at noon.

It could be that base Escanor is stronger than base Meliodas, indeed. However, some points associated with Mel do not coincide:
-Ren was able to dodge a few of Meliodas' attacks, which should be nearly impossible against someone with a PL ten times greater.
-Meliodas was barely dragging Esky's Rhitta, which should be impossible for night Escanor, but guess what, he dragged it for some time even in his spineless, weak form. That could imply that only Escanor can "lift" it, but still.

I introduced these two points in order to discuss whether Meliodas can keep his base PL at 3370 or not. If so, relying on his inability to lift Rhitta is futile as proof of Esky's strength.

That's true; I simply hope that Nakaba refrains from making Escanor far too powerful. The same applies to Meliodas.

 

[Livewire12]

Esky likely gets a huge boost at dawn, but his growth in PL is of lower amount after that. I mean, having a constant percentage of increase is too much: he'd have a PL of millions at noon.

I agree.

It could be that base Escanor is stronger than base Meliodas, indeed. However, some points associated with Mel do not coincide:

-Ren was able to dodge a few of Meliodas' attacks, which should be nearly impossible against someone with a PL ten times greater.

-Meliodas was barely dragging Esky's Rhitta, which should be impossible for night Escanor, but guess what, he dragged it for some time even in his spineless, weak form. That could imply that only Escanor can "lift" it, but still.

I introduced these two points in order to discuss whether Meliodas can keep his base PL at 3370 or not. If so, relying on his inability to lift Rhitta is futile as proof of Esky's strength.

Yes, there could be some inconsistencies which is why I said a lot of "coulds", and "buts".

However when Meliodas got his power back and jumped to a 32,500 base, did anyone in the group notice any difference(outside of King, however he was getting some focus during that part of the story and that could have possibly just been nakaba using him to emphasize meliodas change). Merlin already knew how strong he was so of course she had no reaction.

I don't believe we have an example of anyone suppressing their base power/relaxed state, or if people can even do that in this series(it's not DBZ where everyone can suppress their power to less that 1%).

There have been a couple of times throughout the story that a concept like that could have been used, killing off your base power so your enemy doesn't sense it, but it's never been said or used.

Meliodas was clearly being a goof when "fighting" ren, so that could have been how they managed to exchange a couple of blows. He even jokingly said "Oh my!"when she managed to break his helmet.

He clearly was exerting no effort, which he should have had to, even a little if he was at 3370. Gilthunder was a lot less than 3370 yet Meliodas was clearly fighting him seriously(or at least a lot more seriously than gelda) when he was 3370. Gelda is at least over 1000, so it stands to reason 3370 Meliodas would have had to exerted some effort against her, which he clearly wasn't.

Merlin also managed to k.o him somehow way back in lioness when she took his power. Meliodas is strong, not almighty. If his head is not in the game or he's not paying attention, he can be hit like anyone else.

You know he could have just gotten away with a 32,500 base by just not using any demon energy and relying solely on physical strength.

However him and ban use to arm wrestle back in the day, which implies Meliodas kept his strength hidden, was at 3370, and they were near even.

However ban could have just always used physical hunt on him, but that would have made the arm wrestling redundant, but you have to ask if ban would care, he did steal his allies strength when they were having a serious battle against the vampires.

Meliodas also was willing to use demon energy on ban back in the day to give him his scar, he used it on ban during the byzel arc, for their friendly fight, none of the sins noticed any kind of power spike. Heck the only reason they noticed at all was because of the black marks. Without them they wouldn't have noticed anything at all. He also used it when fighting the vampires, so you might be overthinking him trying to hide his strength. Obviously he never went all out in base, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't always at that level because it's his relaxed state.

Finally where do you see escanor moving his axe.

What I remember is that Meliodas was dragging it, left, escanor tried to movie it, it didn't budge at all, izraf showed up almost immediately, escanor ran, we cut away, came back, and then he was day escanor. From my memory he didn't budge it at all, where do you see him move it in night form.

ItThat's true; I simply hope that Nakaba refrains from making Escanor far too powerful. The same applies to Meliodas.

Meh.

I'm okay with escanor being stupidly powerful because it will so inconvenient we'll almost never see him at full strength unless the sins plan to specifically fight certain enemies at noon, but how often is that going to happen(at least once but outside that I doubt much, if at all).

Honestly that's part of the reason why I put escsnor above Meliodas. Why give someone such a stupid handicap that basically renders them unable to ever enter a fight at full strength if they weren't almighty at full power? While letting another, stronger character be able to power up to his max whenever he feels like it? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Mel I agree on though, because if, he truely is stupidly powerful nothing is stopping him from powering up and oneshoting enemies whenever he feels like it, vs escanor who can't do that even if he wants to.

 

[julymarte]

We can't be sure if night escanor actually moved the st since king izraf might have isolated him with his space manipulation thing, let't not forget the castle was already fucked up before blowing up, i believe that rhitta actually "activates" along sunshine after all every st are something unique for their users and it would be nktmal for mrl having trubble with it even if the facts he can't properly lift it means a lot.... escanor risks to be too powerful but i guess that this is the whole point of his character and sin , also we know he has weaknesses too, like his power is stable and unstable at the same time.. it can be very powerful or very useless... he's not 100% reliable both for the power level swing and the personality issue, his arrogance and absolute confidence might cause problems and stuff... i am actually more worried for mel being too op

 

[Flamez]

I like the ideal of his base power level at dawn being huge so that he isn't too reliant on reaching dawn for his power level to be really high. With his base level at dawn being high this makes it so he can get a second huge spike at noon but doesn't limit him before that otherwise he wouldnt be able to fight the commandments and strong enemy's down the line.

 

[Gallon]

I agree.

Yes, there could be some inconsistencies which is why I said a lot of "coulds", and "buts".

However when Meliodas got his power back and jumped to a 32,500 base, did anyone in the group notice any difference(outside of King, however he was getting some focus during that part of the story and that could have possibly just been nakaba using him to emphasize meliodas change). Merlin already knew how strong he was so of course she had no reaction.

I don't believe we have an example of anyone suppressing their base power/relaxed state, or if people can even do that in this series(it's not DBZ where everyone can suppress their power to less that 1%).

There have been a couple of times throughout the story that a concept like that could have been used, killing off your base power so your enemy doesn't sense it, but it's never been said or used.

Meliodas was clearly being a goof when "fighting" ren, so that could have been how they managed to exchange a couple of blows. He even jokingly said "Oh my!"when she managed to break his helmet.

He clearly was exerting no effort, which he should have had to, even a little if he was at 3370. Gilthunder was a lot less than 3370 yet Meliodas was clearly fighting him seriously(or at least a lot more seriously than gelda) when he was 3370. Gelda is at least over 1000, so it stands to reason 3370 Meliodas would have had to exerted some effort against her, which he clearly wasn't.

Merlin also managed to k.o him somehow way back in lioness when she took his power. Meliodas is strong, not almighty. If his head is not in the game or he's not paying attention, he can be hit like anyone else.

You know he could have just gotten away with a 32,500 base by just not using any demon energy and relying solely on physical strength.

However him and ban use to arm wrestle back in the day, which implies Meliodas kept his strength hidden, was at 3370, and they were near even.

However ban could have just always used physical hunt on him, but that would have made the arm wrestling redundant, but you have to ask if ban would care, he did steal his allies strength when they were having a serious battle against the vampires.

Meliodas also was willing to use demon energy on ban back in the day to give him his scar, he used it on ban during the byzel arc, for their friendly fight, none of the sins noticed any kind of power spike. Heck the only reason they noticed at all was because of the black marks. Without them they wouldn't have noticed anything at all. He also used it when fighting the vampires, so you might be overthinking him trying to hide his strength. Obviously he never went all out in base, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't always at that level because it's his relaxed state.

Finally where do you see escanor moving his axe.

What I remember is that Meliodas was dragging it, left, escanor tried to movie it, it didn't budge at all, izraf showed up almost immediately, escanor ran, we cut away, came back, and then he was day escanor. From my memory he didn't budge it at all, where do you see him move it in night form.

Meh.

I'm okay with escanor being stupidly powerful because it will so inconvenient we'll almost never see him at full strength unless the sins plan to specifically fight certain enemies at noon, but how often is that going to happen(at least once but outside that I doubt much, if at all).

Honestly that's part of the reason why I put escsnor above Meliodas. Why give someone such a stupid handicap that basically renders them unable to ever enter a fight at full strength if they weren't almighty at full power? While letting another, stronger character be able to power up to his max whenever he feels like it? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Mel I agree on though, because if, he truely is stupidly powerful nothing is stopping him from powering up and oneshoting enemies whenever he feels like it, vs escanor who can't do that even if he wants to.

Ren was able to dodge a slice from Lostvayne, which is a good feat even if Meliodas was not taking the fight seriously. Again, you should be able to jokingly defeat someone ten times weaker.
The case with Gil is different; Meliodas was reluctant whereas Gilthunder was determined. That being said, Gil's willpower likely increased whereas Meliodas was holding back.
He could easily overpower both Gil and Hendy when Elizabeth's safety was the topic.

I just speculated about hiding his power; that's something we can only guess at this point.

The arm wrestle is the most relevant, yes. However, judging by the fact that Ban did not use Snatch in Baste is enough as proof to conclude that he does not use Snatch in arm-wrestling. He was not aware of Mel's lacking strength.

I have always had the impression that Esky dragged it for a little bit. Oh well, he might have not. Not that it changes much, but still.

Powerful? Yes. Insanely powerful? Hopefully not.
Keep Escanor and Meliodas below the Demon King and some others and I'm fine with it.
I do agree with your handicap thesis.

 

[Livewire12]

Ren was able to dodge a slice from Lostvayne, which is a good feat even if Meliodas was not taking the fight seriously. Again, you should be able to jokingly defeat someone ten times weaker.

Who was he hiding his strength from by not one-shotting her?

He was by himself when fighting ren and gelda, so he could have one-shotted them and walked off and nobody would have known anything.

You say he was still hiding his strength when fighting them yet he used his demon energy to obliterate gelda which was way more noticeable than if he used his base physical strength to oneshot them both.

The case with Gil is different; Meliodas was reluctant whereas Gilthunder was determined. That being said, Gil's willpower likely increased whereas Meliodas was holding back.
He could easily overpower both Gil and Hendy when Elizabeth's safety was the topic.

Yeah, I know. When his head wasn't in the game gilthunder could put up a fight.

That's what I said about him vs ren. He was clearly jokingly fighting her leading her to be able to dodge a attack or two.

Night Escanor dodged a few attack from a izraf that wasn't trying. Night escanor is 300-ish, and Izraf is about 5k. 16x stronger, yet escanor could still dodge his attacks. If he can do it, why can't ren?

The arm wrestle is the most relevant, yes. However, judging by the fact that Ban did not use Snatch in Baste is enough as proof to conclude that he does not use Snatch in arm-wrestling. He was not aware of Mel's lacking strength.

A single arm wrestling match does not prove the actions Mel and ban took in the other 1000+ times they arm wrestled.

still.

Powerful? Yes. Insanely powerful? Hopefully not.
Keep Escanor and Meliodas below the Demon King and some others and I'm fine with it.
I do agree with your handicap thesis.

Of course Mel is weaker than the demon king. No demon is going to be stronger than the guy who leads them, heck in that clan I doubt you could even rule when you have people as prideful as galan running around, unless you were decisively and easily the strongest. If the commandments are as strong as they are it raises the question how they were even able to beat him in the first place, unless it was the remnants of all 4 clans+ Meliodas vs the demon king at the end of the war.

Escanor, while I of course don't think he's nearly as strong as the king as his hype doesn't nearly take him to that level, it's not entirely impossible I suppose. He 's special, a existence unlike any other, it's for some reason.

Some group of people, person, or entity handed escanor all his power on a silver platter for some purpose to fulfill that much is obvious. (Because nakaba isn't just going to leave it at he got lucky and he's op for no particular reason).How do we know it's not for the single purpose of combating the demon king if he should return, as nobody is at that level and all the clans are weaker now, and may not be able to defeat him. Izraf has similar powers to Meliodas. A darkness that approaches on and obliterates everything, yet sunshine was shown to be oddly and specifically able to easily repel such powers, even if it completely engulfs him. Escanor saying that the darkness fears him. Whose to say sunshine wouldn't have had the same effect demon hendrickson's darkness too. Obviously Mel's darkness is far more powerful, but whose to say sunshine wouldn't have the same effect of repelling mel's darkness if escanor was at a higher level. And I'm sure the demon king's is even stronger, but again whose to say sunshine wouldn't have the same effect. Actually escanor seems to be a horrible match up against anyone with darkness related powers(the whole demon race), as it seemingly has zero effect on him.

Again I don't think this, it's not a theory I have, nor am I saying it is even remotely like. Just a example, if escanor does end up being stupidly powerful. I can live with it as opposed to Meliodas, because it will be for a specific reason.

 

[Gallon]

Who was he hiding his strength from by not one-shotting her?

He was by himself when fighting ren and gelda, so he could have one-shotted them and walked off and nobody would have known anything.

You say he was still hiding his strength when fighting them yet he used his demon energy to obliterate gelda which was way more noticeable than if he used his base physical strength to oneshot them both.

Yeah, I know. When his head wasn't in the game gilthunder could put up a fight.

That's what I said about him vs ren. He was clearly jokingly fighting her leading her to be able to dodge a attack or two.

Night Escanor dodged a few attack from a izraf that wasn't trying. Night escanor is 300-ish, and Izraf is about 5k. 16x stronger, yet escanor could still dodge his attacks. If he can do it, why can't ren?

A single arm wrestling match does not prove the actions Mel and ban took in the other 1000+ times they arm wrestled.

That's not even the topic here. I'm not saying that he couldn't defeat them; I'm saying that Meliodas did not SEEM to be 30k PL above Ren in their fight. I mean, when Mel noticed that Ren was attacking, he swung his Lostvayne but she dodged it.
Mel's speed should be insane, but it did not seem so in the past.
Well, Esky didn't fight with Izraf in close combat, which is the case in the fight Mel had against Ren.
If you had been given the option of guessing whether Mel was 3370 or 32500 back then, which one would you have guessed?

Meliodas went Demon Mode in order to completely dismember Gelda and give her a painless death; why would he go for slicing her and giving her a painful death?

They have had 721 arm-wrestling matches, and the fact that Ban took Mel head-on without realizing that his PL had gone down tenfold is sufficient to conclude that Ban did not use Snatch (for the most part) and that he rivaled Mel in the past.

EDIT: The fact that Mel didn't give the impression of a person with 32500 PL in the past may be solely due to our lack of information. Nakaba hadn't stated that he had had his power stolen at that point in time.

 

[Demonspeed]

Meliodas was obviously limiting his strength to 3370 back then, it's the only logical explanation for his past feats. We saw what he did to Galan at 32500, it would have been even worse for the others, Ban would have never been able to win against him at arm wrestling even once. As for Escanor, his power reaches his peak at a certain hour so there is a limit depending on the level, when he faced Izraf it was just the start of the morning so he was probably between 4500-5000. Nakaba probably didn't think about all of this when he was drawing these chapters, it's like the STs that he changed for some(Ban and Escanor IIRC).

 

[kkck]

Meliodas was obviously limiting his strength to 3370 back then, it's the only logical explanation for his past feats. We saw what he did to Galan at 32500, it would have been even worse for the others, Ban would have never been able to win against him at arm wrestling even once. As for Escanor, his power reaches his peak at a certain hour so there is a limit depending on the level, when he faced Izraf it was just the start of the morning so he was probably between 4500-5000. Nakaba probably didn't think about all of this when he was drawing these chapters, it's like the STs that he changed for some(Ban and Escanor IIRC).

Well, it'd be weird that meliodas would limit his strength to precisely the amount of power merlin would have left him with if he were to loose it. Or that merlin would have left him with the precise amount of power mel normally uses (maybe not so weird though). Or that the amount of power mel restricted himself to would have had something to do with the amount of power merlin could take.

It is weird that ban was able to win against mel at all, he would not have even a fraction of mel's total strength. Its plausible mel was intentionally holding back though it would be strange if his PL was literally limited to that amount. PL's have not been shown as something you can increase or decrease at will after all. Maybe merlin erased a few more memories? There are some details regarding the attack we are still unfamiliar with, like elizabeth's involvement in it. We know she was there but the story does not really fit, the order is sort of wrong. Then again meliodas himself might be omitting a few details so as to not mention elizabeth.

 

[Gallon]

Well, it'd be weird that meliodas would limit his strength to precisely the amount of power merlin would have left him with if he were to loose it. Or that merlin would have left him with the precise amount of power mel normally uses (maybe not so weird though). Or that the amount of power mel restricted himself to would have had something to do with the amount of power merlin could take.

It is weird that ban was able to win against mel at all, he would not have even a fraction of mel's total strength. Its plausible mel was intentionally holding back though it would be strange if his PL was literally limited to that amount. PL's have not been shown as something you can increase or decrease at will after all. Maybe merlin erased a few more memories? There are some details regarding the attack we are still unfamiliar with, like elizabeth's involvement in it. We know she was there but the story does not really fit, the order is sort of wrong. Then again meliodas himself might be omitting a few details so as to not mention elizabeth.

It doesn't have to be exactly 3370; we're simply stating that it was not as great as 32500.

I'm just thinking that Nakaba kept this hidden (in the Edinburgh sidestory) in order to give an impactful presentation of Mel's true power. I mean, it wasn't confirmed that Mel had had his power stolen at that point in time. Additionally, it would ruin the hype of chapter 135 to an extent.

 

[DDDDD5]

I wouldn't think to hard about Meliodas or Escanor's showing at Edinburgh. Nakaba has a habit of not paying much care to the little details in ways that don't really take away from total enjoyment so who cares.

But if that's not enough, it's easy to justify. Meliodas just held his power back; I very much doubt he ever let as much power against Galan in that time before they went into hiding. As for Escanor, it was just morning, and it's not like he'd need his full power to do that. Really when you think about it, blowing up a castle is pretty unimpressive for what we've seen in this series. It helps that he didn't actually seem to be trying and wasn't anywhere near full power so it doesn't detract from the deed.

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Meliodas was obviously limiting his strength to 3370 back then, it's the only logical explanation for his past feats. We saw what he did to Galan at 32500, it would have been even worse for the others, Ban would have never been able to win against him at arm wrestling even once. As for Escanor, his power reaches his peak at a certain hour so there is a limit depending on the level, when he faced Izraf it was just the start of the morning so he was probably between 4500-5000. Nakaba probably didn't think about all of this when he was drawing these chapters, it's like the STs that he changed for some(Ban and Escanor IIRC).

I agree, Meliodas limiting his power makes more sense than him not using it. The examples you give are good at showcasing that.
As a pose to Nakaba's change in the St's... he actually changed his art style and certain designs after the Baste dungeon arc.
Diane's face is different comparing chapter 4 and 18, Ban's weapon of choice was a three section staff in the side story with Elaine... which is around chapter 30ish i think. It could be that Ban's weapon can steal the appearance of other weapons and it could be that Escanor was given a spear to suppress the use of his power (perhaps it is the troll queen's spear, which he claimed as a trophy?... this is a complete guess)

I believe that Escanor's power level had to equal what Meliodas's power level was when they both used magic at Edinburgh. The reaction to both of them using their magic was the same... i think it's possible that they both used around 20K of their power... or Meliodas used his base strength at that point and.
However, considering that if they both used around Meliodas strength then Escanor at Dawn is probably weaker than Meliodas.

Escanor destroyed an entire castle by saying "boom", but, Meliodas made a 30000 foot hole (not to mention the size of the hole). This means that Meliodas was using more magical power and probably returned to his base power temporarily to do this. Escanor's magic did no where near as much damage as Mel did, so i think Escanor might have been over 10K, but less than 15K upon the sun rising.

Ps: it was mentioned that Escanor was extremely good at fending off dark magic... what if Escanor's power was given to him in the hopes he would kill Meliodas?
Either that, or a being of extraordinary power chose Escanor's body as it's host and has been living inside him since that day. The other being is more powerful in the day and thus takes over his body during the day.
This makes sense as to why he loses control over himself (he loses to the other being) and it makes sense as to why his eyes change.
They say the eyes are reflections of the souls and since Escanor has two different types of eyes (and they don't change with emotion, it's a legitimate change) it could be that Escanor's body is home to two souls.

Although... i'm still sticking to my theory that the magical power that all 5 clans fought over is what Sunshine is... it would make sense as to how it makes a weak little Escanor very strong and also it's the magic of life and energy... the very concept of having magic that simulates the sun is powerful as hell.

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I have been asked by Julymarte to explain a particular theory that i was talking about in the chapter 138 discussion.

The theory was first proposed by Chibireviews on youtube, i believe and he suggested that since Escanor looked older when the sun rose that perhaps Escanor's age changed with the time of day, similar to how his body, eyes and personality change. This would also mean that the wanted poster is of Escanor at his peak... which would slightly defeat the purpose of this wanted poster, because more often than not Escanor would look younger. However, this theory does make some good points including why Escanor appears older the longer you read the side story.
Part 1 he looks to be about 16, part 2 (the ending) he looks to be 16 with more muscles... his body gets more muscular but all the other features are the same and then in the third chapter he looks more like an adult, around 21 years old.
This theory could be correct, although i would vary a guess it's that Escanor's body is human and he simply got older. There is also the question of is Escanor eternally youthful if this is the case? Thinking about this, Escanor would always revert back into a teenager.

Another theory i wanted to offer for discussion is that the magical power that all the clans were fighting over 3000 years ago is in fact "sunshine". The amount of power that Escanor gains when the sun rises is tremendous and if Escanor, a boy whose power level is about 300 at midnight, can multiply his power level by 100 simply by being conscious at different times of the day... that's a pretty broken ability.
It is also strange that it seems to be a direct counter to demon magic and dark magic, it was even compared to the purgatory flame... which is something else i want to talk about later on. If Escanor's ability was this power, it would make sense as to why he believe he has been cursed... because the ability is not his. The first theory also fits in this "curse" theme because he has become very dangerous and eternally youthful, so he watches all the people die around him.

A third theory i had was that Escanor's sunshine was a combination of the goddess clan's light magic and the demon clans purgatory flame. In it's element it is "life" magic and it has been shown to exert massive amounts of light and heat. Therefore i thought it might be a mix of these two powers... but that would make Escanor, or at least a separate entity inside of Escanor a demon/goddess hybrid. This would make that soul/Escanor 3000+ years old as well though.

Tell me your thoughts on these theories, the one i consider the most viable is the second one, the first one has it's good points and the third one is just a guess based on the slight comparison with demon magic and the fact that it's a "unique" ability.

 

[julymarte]

about the first part, i'm an artist, i draw wveryday and i draw bara men too and let me asureyou something.. all the changes he made for the different time od the day are due to the change of bodytype and peronality, is not an age fact, also the eye difference is also another artit trick they don't necesarily mean he has two souls inside, but the way they're drawn indicate his change of personality, if he kept hi night eyes the whole time he wouldn't have looked believeable during the daytime, and if he kept the daytime ones he would have not looked weak enough during the night and no way he has to completely change the design everytime he gets to noon adding more hair and bear is not functional when you're making some strytelling... also according to this theory then putting his age in the guide would have been completely irrelevant since according to that he doesn't actually age and then they could have written like ban 23 shown but actualy 43 or since is not said anything about sunshine we could have found a ??? mark

about sunhine i don't think it's actually related to that i do believe his power is somehow linked to the goddess but i have the feeling it wil be more similar to the arthurian version rather than a goddess/demon hybrid power ....meaning that there might be a gawain with a stable sunshine somewhere but maybe none of the two theories are actualy the truth

i believe we all re trying to make things more coplicated than they actually are

 

[SpectrumRay16]

about the first part, i'm an artist, i draw wveryday and i draw bara men too and let me asureyou something.. all the changes he made for the different time od the day are due to the change of bodytype and peronality, is not an age fact, also the eye difference is also another artit trick they don't necesarily mean he has two souls inside, but the way they're drawn indicate his change of personality, if he kept hi night eyes the whole time he wouldn't have looked believeable during the daytime, and if he kept the daytime ones he would have not looked weak enough during the night and no way he has to completely change the design everytime he gets to noon adding more hair and bear is not functional when you're making some strytelling... also according to this theory then putting his age in the guide would have been completely irrelevant since according to that he doesn't actually age and then they could have written like ban 23 shown but actualy 43 or since is not said anything about sunshine we could have found a ??? mark

about sunhine i don't think it's actually related to that i do believe his power is somehow linked to the goddess but i have the feeling it wil be more similar to the arthurian version rather than a goddess/demon hybrid power ....meaning that there might be a gawain with a stable sunshine somewhere but maybe none of the two theories are actualy the truth

i believe we all re trying to make things more coplicated than they actually are

I will put 100% in my trust with you on the artist thing, i've seen quite a lot of your drawings on tumblr and i must say i like them quite a lot
You could be right about it being a design factor, but, Elizabeth's design was to foreshadow her eye being different, so i was following those lines as Escanor's eyes might be something. Something else i find interesting is that his eyes are never shown when he is using sunshine or fighting in general, i don't know why though.

Yes the other two theories are complete guesses and have very little to support them, which means it is bound to become over complicated XD

 

[julymarte]

i was playing pokekishi's story mode and i got to the part when hendy shows the grey demon to the ins and i realized that his big wound was kinda familiar
hendy said it was discovered only few years ago, and if some high ranked holy knight can damage it and if sunshine is the same as hellblaze for emons and stops the regeneration then there's a possibility that escanor maybe didn't blow up places but still left a trace .. i mean..

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[Gallon]

i was playing pokekishi's story mode and i got to the part when hendy shows the grey demon to the ins and i realized that his big wound was kinda familiar
hendy said it was discovered only few years ago, and if some high ranked holy knight can damage it and if sunshine is the same as hellblaze for emons and stops the regeneration then there's a possibility that escanor maybe didn't blow up places but still left a trace .. i mean..

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I've considered this point, but the amount of information we have is diminutive.

 

[julymarte]

it might mean nothing to the story but it could be an interesting side fact but ssure if it wasn't him it must have been something really powerful what killed the demon

 

[kkck]

I also proposed a while ago that escanor could have been the one who killed the demon. With the creature being as strong as it appeared at the time it made sense to me that only a sin could have done such a thing, specially considering what the red demon, an inferior creature, could do. In context we now have the numbers to sort of validate that considering we know that sins at the time were in the 3220, 4800 range and grey demons are between 2700-3200. It's well more than what hauser and gil have to work with right now. Add to that, the wound does look more or less like the one the vampire king. However for something to remain of the demon after a fight with escanor the implication would perhaps be that the demon fought escanor while he was on the low end of his power, perhaps even nearing midnight. It couldn't have been during the day at least considering his power escalates exponentially from the moment the sun comes up, to the point where even a creature that could control dimensions to manipulate the night was easily foderized.