Discussion Estimating Characters PL

[Gojo Satoru]

1.Demon King / Supreme Deity (God Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 560,000)

2.Mael / Escanor "The One" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 200,000)

*Please note that Mael would have a Base power level and the Goddess Clan arsenal without the grace unlike Escanor so it's very likely his "The One" Power Level would be far more monsterous

3.Meliodas "Assault Mode" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 142,000

*Soon to change due to 5 Commandments being added.

4.Estarossa(Mael) "3 Commandments"(Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 116,000

5.Chandler "Demon Form" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 100,000+)

6.Cusack "Demon Form" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 100,000+)

7.Zeldris "Fraction of the Demon King's Power" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 61,000 (Predicted 100,000+)

* Zeldris is nearly feat less he could possibly be above the masters.

8.Goddess Elizabeth (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 95,000)

*Similar case to Zeldris possibly below the AAs.

9.Indura (Derrieri and Monsteep) (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 90-100,000)

10.Archangel Leader Ludoshel(Upper C /AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 90,000)

11.Sariel and Tarmiel (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level ?? (Predicted 80,000)

 

[OtakuFreak]

1.Demon King / Supreme Deity (God Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 560,000)

I actually believe the Gods could even be stronger than this with all of their powers intact.

Might be insane to say, but perhaps they can reach even the threshold of 1,000,000 PL?

2.Mael / Escanor "The One" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 200,000)

Since the spoilers came out, I believe Mael is stronger.

250-300k max.

3.Meliodas "Assault Mode" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 142,000

Considering his awakening, he's probably 150-160k now (max).

4.Estarossa(Mael) "3 Commandments"(Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 116,000

Disagree, I think he's even higher considering Sariel and Tarmiel together couldn't do diddly squat.

120k+

5.Chandler "Demon Form" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 100,000+)

I believe Chandler is 90-95k max.

To me he's stronger than the weaker AA's, but just right under the strongest, who happens to be Ludoshel

(Well Mael is technically alive but he doesn't have sunshine, so Ludoshel is logically crowned the strongest as of right now)

6.Cusack "Demon Form" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 100,000+)

Same as Chandler.

90-95k

7.Zeldris "Fraction of the Demon King's Power" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 61,000 (Predicted 100,000+)

100k is good.

But depending on how the Demon King's power works, he might be lower, so perhaps 90k?

His God power may only grant him OP magic abilities rather than a PL boost.

8.Goddess Elizabeth (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 95,000)

I think she's at the level of Ludoshel, or slightly higher as shown by their wings.

100-120k max

9.Indura (Derrieri and Monsteep) (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 90-100,000)

Phase 1: 110k

Phase 2: 120-140k

10.Archangel Leader Ludoshel(Upper C /AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 90,000)

Nakaba confirmed in a Q & A that there wasn't a leader of the Four Archangels. All 4 of them are of equal authority to each other, so even though Mael or Ludoshel as stronger and much more superior than Sariel + Tarmiel, they have no jurisdiction in commanding them. Ludoshel just acts bossy and they generally follow out of respect.

Ludoshel should be 100-110k

11.Sariel and Tarmiel (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level ?? (Predicted 80,000)

Incorrect.

Estarossa at 88k couldn't fully take down one of the Archangels, but he made it significantly difficult for them, and with his confirmed PL + Tarmiel's statement, we know that the AA are above 88k.

My guess? 90-95k max. They should be at the level of the masters but slightly weaker individually.

Spoiler: 264

Spoiler: 264

 

[Gojo Satoru]

I actually believe the Gods could even be stronger than this with all of their powers intact.

Might be insane to say, but perhaps they can reach even the threshold of 1,000,000 PL?



Since the spoilers came out, I believe Mael is stronger.

250-300k max.



Considering his awakening, he's probably 150-160k now (max).



Disagree, I think he's even higher considering Sariel and Tarmiel together couldn't do diddly squat.

120k+



I believe Chandler is 90-95k max.

To me he's stronger than the weaker AA's, but just right under the strongest, who happens to be Ludoshel

(Well Mael is technically alive but he doesn't have sunshine, so Ludoshel is logically crowned the strongest as of right now)



Same as Chandler.

90-95k



100k is good.

But depending on how the Demon King's power works, he might be lower, so perhaps 90k?

His God power may only grant him OP magic abilities rather than a PL boost.



I think she's at the level of Ludoshel, or slightly higher as shown by their wings.

100-120k max



Phase 1: 110k

Phase 2: 120-140k



Nakaba confirmed in a Q & A that there wasn't a leader of the Four Archangels. All 4 of them are of equal authority to each other, so even though Mael or Ludoshel as stronger and much more superior than Sariel + Tarmiel, they have no jurisdiction in commanding them. Ludoshel just acts bossy and they generally follow out of respect.

Ludoshel should be 100-110k



Incorrect.

Estarossa at 88k couldn't fully take down one of the Archangels, but he made it significantly difficult for them, and with his confirmed PL + Tarmiel's statement, we know that the AA are above 88k.

My guess? 90-95k max. They should be at the level of the masters but slightly weaker individually.

Spoiler: 264

Spoiler: 264

I want more feats from Elizabeth and Zeldris before I make any more facts on them

 

[T25]

1. SD - 500k which I assume his PL is greatly on shunshine because she spilt half of her power to her archangels therefore if would be idiotic to assume each AA have 125k graces alone. Therefore pretty much Sar and Tar have 70k grace and ludo have 90k grace therefore sunshine grace is 270k. Meaning "the one state" is all that it is for SD which is her state everytime like the one with flash, ocean and tornado.

2. Escanor - 50k upon sunshine activation, 5PL/sec, depends his activation on the sun. Idk what happened to eidenburg doesnt matter its weird.
Mael - 100k+ upon sunshine activation, 7-8 PL/sec, he can awaken his sunshine anytime he wants using graces realm, he can burst himself into his grace to a state "the one" anytime he wants.

3. Meliodas AM 142k plus he can split himself up to many equivalent to 71k the all of them can use FC so thats a damn OP technique. But his OP'est technique is kings might which he exemplifies throwing Cussack like a piece of rug and smashing both Esta and Zel unto the ground because his demonic surge is everlasting.

4. Estarossa with 3 commandments 120k

5. Chandler demon form 120k

6. Cussack demon form 120k

7. Zeldris advance demon mark 125k plus the ruler, borrowed dk power

8. Goddess Elizabeth 2 things
Fail hype - 50k PL (50k magic, 0k strength because shes a weak sauce, 0k spirit a whore doesnt have any spirit)
Real hype - 90k PL (90k magic, 0 strength and spirit same definition stated above

9. Indura mons and der 60k

10 Ludo 125k Pl

11 Sar and Tar 90k PL

Indura mon and deri. Are you sure about that range. That entire ritual and display was only worth a 5k ish increase. Didn’t 3k Mel go well beyond that kind of increase just by losing control of what relatively little amount he had?

Eli. Byzel Eli had more str and spi than that. As for that comment and comments like those that you continue to perpetuate. I do not understand how you think it’s okay to make comments like that. Can you explain it to me?

Mel. I would think that Mel can go well beyond his 142k assault mode, no need for quarter or so DK power, and do believe that may have already been hinted nor do we really know if 142k was his normal usual assault mode level in the past

Mael the effects of his grace Haven’t really been shown. I don’t believe it is the same as escanor. Their primary affect may well have been in their domain capability. Or not

 

[Shadowlord123]

1.Demon King / Supreme Deity (God Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 560,000)

2.Mael / Escanor "The One" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 200,000)

*Please note that Mael would have a Base power level and the Goddess Clan arsenal without the grace unlike Escanor so it's very likely his "The One" Power Level would be far more monsterous

3.Meliodas "Assault Mode" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 142,000

*Soon to change due to 5 Commandments being added.

4.Estarossa(Mael) "3 Commandments"(Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 116,000

5.Chandler "Demon Form" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 100,000+)

6.Cusack "Demon Form" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 100,000+)

7.Zeldris "Fraction of the Demon King's Power" (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = 61,000 (Predicted 100,000+)

* Zeldris is nearly feat less he could possibly be above the masters.

8.Goddess Elizabeth (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 95,000)

*Similar case to Zeldris possibly below the AAs.

9.Indura (Derrieri and Monsteep) (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 90-100,000)

10.Archangel Leader Ludoshel(Upper C /AA Tier)
Power Level = ?? (Predicted 90,000)

11.Sariel and Tarmiel (Upper C/AA Tier)
Power Level ?? (Predicted 80,000)

1. DK/SD: I believe both of them at full power are around the 600-700K range. I definitely don't think that they're going to be 1 million.

2. The One Mael/Escanor: Around 200K+ sounds good to me. Mael would obviously be stronger.

3. AM Meliodas: I actually think that he's a little bit above that since the DK stated during the battle with Escanor that Mel wasn't fully on his peak and was still awakening. 150-160K sounds good to me, I definitely don't think he's far stronger than before. The DK said "a little bit more" so it's safe to assume that he was almost at his peak during his fight with Escanor.

4. 3C Estarossa: Around 120K sounds reasonable.

5. Chandler/Cusack True Forms: I feel like they are a little bit stronger than Sariel and Tarmiel but a little below Ludoshel. Around 95K is good for me.

6. Zeldris: 61K with the first demon mark. Probably around 100K with second stage demon mark+Chibi The Ruler.

7. Goddess Elizabeth: Until we know more feats of her, I don't know on where exactly place her. Magically she seems to be AA level or even above, but the problem here is that she has used her power mainly for healing or purificate, not for harming another, making it extremely hard to gauge her overall strenght and fighting capabilites.

8. Indura Derriere/Monspeet: Around 100K in their first stages. When they evolve to resist Eli's light they probably are around the 110-120K range.

9. Ludoshel: Around 100K, just as Zeldris.

10. Sariel/Tarmiel: Around 90K, since I don't think that a 88K Estarossa could bring them down individually.

 

[Bøjan]

I don't know how Zeldris with 2nd demon mark or DK power can be 120-125k, which is above demon mark Meliodas. Same for true form Chandler and Cusack.

 

[Tristan]

3. AM Meliodas: I actually think that he's a little bit above that since the DK stated during the battle with Escanor that Mel wasn't fully on his peak and was still awakening. 150-160K sounds good to me, I definitely don't think he's far stronger than before. The DK said "a little bit more" so it's safe to assume that he was almost at his peak during his fight with Escanor.

Taking the words of DK "literally"? seriously?
Saying that there is "a little bit more" until his awakening is complete doesn't necessarily give us any hint concerning his power level. Otherwise, by using the same Logic, I would argue that the One cannot reach 200k, because -- chronologically speaking-- at this exact moment [11:58:59], the power of Escanor was still 114k ... the One began right after one second from that [11:59:00] ... which makes it much more lesser than that "a-little-bit" which DK referred to!
C'mon guys

 

[Tragicdeath]

I don't know how Zeldris with 2nd demon mark or DK power can be 120-125k, which is above demon mark Meliodas. Same for true form Chandler and Cusack.

Haha. Look bro if SD parted his grace to his 4 AA and SD is 500k PL, how could you possibly solve the equation of Sar Tar Ludo and Mael to have the same equation as SD. We know SD had given them raw power unlike TC it was 10 fragments unto a decree that doesnt boost your PL but the combination of both when absorbed will increase it? So what do you think how many share does Sariel has out of 500k, Tarmiel has out of 500k, Ludo has out of 500k and Mael has out of 500k. Give me your equation.

PS: Take note Ludociel took Zeldris Dies Irae "days of wrath" without any damage not even a minor one. So with that one I think he has high strength as well taking the hit.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Taking the words of DK "literally"? seriously?

Yeah, there's nothing in the manga that implies that he has gotten far stronger than the version Escanor fought. His form is exactly the same, the only thing that's changed is his actitude and that he has that new "gravity technique" that he used to stomp Zeldris and Estarossa into the ground, which we don't even know if he could have used it before. If nothing implies that that version of Mel is far stronger than the one Escanor fought, I'm taking the DK's words "a little bit more" seriously, because that's the only thing we have to gauge his power.

Saying that there is "a little bit more" until his awakening is complete doesn't necessarily give us any hint concerning his power level. Otherwise, by using the same Logic, I would argue that the One cannot reach 200k, because -- chronologically speaking-- at this exact moment [11:58:59], the power of Escanor was still 114k ... the One began right after one second from that [11:59:00] ... which makes it much more lesser than that "a-little-bit" which DK referred to!

What you said would be true if Sunshine's power ups worked in a linear way which is clearly not the case, since Escanor can become way stronger when certain hours arrive:

https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/185/16

Estarossa vs Escanor was a more or less equal fight, with Estarossa having the upper hand. However, in a matter of minutes, probably seconds, Escanor recieved a power-up from Sunshine so huge that the same man who was having the upper hand against him until that moment shitted his pants in fear and was oneshotted. Sunshine's power ups don't work on a linear way, which is why thinking that Escanor can reach 200K+ in The One isn't far-fetched and your logic is invalid.

 

[Bøjan]

Haha. Look bro if SD parted his grace to his 4 AA and SD is 500k PL, how could you possibly solve the equation of Sar Tar Ludo and Mael to have the same equation as SD. We know SD had given them raw power unlike TC it was 10 fragments unto a decree that doesnt boost your PL but the combination of both when absorbed will increase it? So what do you think how many share does Sariel has out of 500k, Tarmiel has out of 500k, Ludo has out of 500k and Mael has out of 500k. Give me your equation.

PS: Take note Ludociel took Zeldris Dies Irae "days of wrath" without any damage not even a minor one. So with that one I think he has high strength as well taking the hit.

I did not understand what you were trying to say but i'll say my thing. Zeldris is 61k with his 1st demon mark already ACTIVE, therefore his base is lower than that, so logically speaking he should be around 75k-80k max with his 2nd demon mark, not 125k wtf not even Meliodas had that much with just a demon mark.

 

[OtakuFreak]

I did not understand what you were trying to say but i'll say my thing. Zeldris is 61k with his 1st demon mark already ACTIVE, therefore his base is lower than that, so logically speaking he should be around 75k-80k max with his 2nd demon mark, not 125k wtf not even Meliodas had that much with just a demon mark.

I don't believe Zeldris is that low with his second demon mark.

He should be low AA tier at minimum. So 90-100k.

 

[Bøjan]

I don't believe Zeldris is that low with his second demon mark.

He should be low AA tier at minimum. So 90-100k.

40k with his 2nd mark wow, take Assault Mode off and Zeldris is the strongest demon. ( btw i love best boi Zeldris but i think that's a bit too much).

 

[T25]

40k with his 2nd mark wow, take Assault Mode off and Zeldris is the strongest demon. ( btw i love best boi Zeldris but i think that's a bit too much).

Is that really that far fetched tho? Mel had an over 20k increase before death. 90k is a 30k increase. Still seems within a certain realm of possibility

 

[OtakuFreak]

40k with his 2nd mark wow, take Assault Mode off and Zeldris is the strongest demon. ( btw i love best boi Zeldris but i think that's a bit too much).

Meliodas at second demon mark (e.g back in the holy tier) should be AA tier as well.

Meliodas would still be stronger than Zeldris even without Assault Mode - but they'd be more equivalent.

Plus, Meliodas used to spar with Zeldris right? Best boi ain't weak as fuck

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Is that really that far fetched tho? Mel had an over 20k increase before death. 90k is a 30k increase. Still seems within a certain realm of possibility

Its not. Considering how Ludoshel/Zeldris seem to be equivalents and Ludoshel is definitely in the 90-100k range.

I refuse to believe that the masters would be stronger than a royal prince who happens to be a God representative, especially when Nakaba did the whole ''Zeldris is the strongest of all demons'' before Assault Mode was ever brought in.

 

[sobreno]

Meliodas at second demon mark (e.g back in the holy tier) should be AA tier as well.

Meliodas would still be stronger than Zeldris even without Assault Mode - but they'd be more equivalent.

Plus, Meliodas used to spar with Zeldris right? Best boi ain't weak as fuck

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Its not. Considering how Ludoshel/Zeldris seem to be equivalents and Ludoshel is definitely in the 90-100k range.

I refuse to believe that the masters would be stronger than a royal prince who happens to be a God representative, especially when Nakaba did the whole ''Zeldris is the strongest of all demons'' before Assault Mode was ever brought in.

The best boi is Ban and Emo Mel dude, never forget that. Zeldoris is good but he still doesn't accept Humans.

Emo Mel and Gowther were the only demons that can lives with Humans without killing or eating ( souls ) them.
Derrierie and Monspiet enter the club, Zeldoris didn't come yet but he will probably become completely good at the end of the manga.

One thing is sure, without Gelda, he will never become a " good " demon.

 

[Bøjan]

Is that really that far fetched tho? Mel had an over 20k increase before death. 90k is a 30k increase. Still seems within a certain realm of possibility

Well the only "difference" i see and why i think that he shouldn't be that high is because he's from base to 61k with the 1st demon mark. Then from 61k he shouldn't gain easy 30k+ since it's not like Meliodas' case. Meliodas going from 60k base to 90k-100k with only one (big) demon mark makes sense more than Zeldris' case.

 

[OtakuFreak]

The best boi is Ban and Emo Mel dude, never forget that. Zeldoris is good but he still doesn't accept Humans.

Emo Mel and Gowther were the only demons that can lives with Humans without killing or eating ( souls ) them.
Derrierie and Monspiet enter the club, Zeldoris didn't come yet but he will probably become completely good at the end of the manga.

One thing is sure, without Gelda, he will never become a " good " demon.

This is the most stupid and nonsense response you have given me.

W T F

Zeldris is best boi

Ban is fodder and is irrelevant

Emo Mel is just going through a phase

Zeldris is best boi because its common sense.

Come on Sobreno - arguing about Elizabeth is one thing but you will not sin against my boy zeldris

 

[sobreno]

This is the most stupid and nonsense response you have given me.

W T F

Zeldris is best boi

Ban is fodder and is irrelevant

Emo Mel is just going through a phase

Zeldris is best boi because its common sense.

Come on Sobreno - arguing about Elizabeth is one thing but you will not sin against my boy zeldris

Zeldoris looks like Meliodas with a new haircut with a black color on it tho. Even in personality, they aren't that different.

They have the same voice, same height, same weight, same eyes colors, and the same face.

The perfect twin for Meliodas.

Ban being a fodder as nothing to do with a title of being best boi lol.

Rem from Re Zero was ( and still is ) best girl and she was a fodder in a verse.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't know how Zeldris with 2nd demon mark or DK power can be 120-125k, which is above demon mark Meliodas. Same for true form Chandler and Cusack.

We have seen that some Demons have unique transformations. Mel with Assault Mode, same for Chandler and Cusack. I am guessing that Zeldris has one as well, making him even stronger. Chandler's true form even affects his whole fighting style, unlike Assault Mode which is just a simple power up. Zeldris having a form like that but more magic-oriented would be interesting since he is the brother who is good at Magic.

Assuming such a form does exist, he being between 105K-120K would be reasonable to me. AM Mel complimented Escanor who was above 114K and said he hadn't fought someone so entertaining since his brother. So Zeldris has to be around that level I think.

 

[T25]

I really wish to know the connection between Mel zel chandler and cusack to indura. I would imagine that it is possible that their rank and status as well as that display to Arthur would entail that their is a difference and level of control over that amount of darkness. It is mere speculation but it is possible that they may have no need for the sacrifice of hearts and would not lose their minds afterwards but that is yet to be shown. What do you think?