How is Meliodas saying he wants Gloxinia and Drole to protect Elizabeth mean anything lol?
He's in love with her and desperate to protect her from any danger, and the same goes for the other way around.
I mean she told him that she doesn't want him to get hurt anymore and went up to take on the Indura herself. According to your logic this must mean Meliodas is weaker than Indura right lol?
My sister could be a champion in martial arts but I'd still ask for her friends to look over her lol - doesn't mean fuck.
Schmitty pls
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Not really.
It's natural that in a relationship you show protective concern for your significant other. Elizabeth does it for Meliodas, does this mean he isn't 142k because she went to go handle Indura instead of him?
No LOL.
And the manga hasn't made it clear yet. Where is her confirmed PL in her Goddess form? Where is her full backstory and explanation of powers?
Until Nakaba reveals these things, then no one's opinion is confirmed. I believe she is AA tier or higher because of the Indura feat, and others believe she is commandment tier.
If the manga made it clear, like how Meliodas power is crystal clear then there wouldn't be a huge differentiation of opinion. Like I think she's 120k max and Schmitty believes she's trash.
I think she's honestly been protected a bit too much. Not to mention Elizabeth stated she cant keep letting him get hurt AFTER he burnt his hands. This dude Meliodas didn't even let her do shit before yelling at the others to protect her. I mean if they'd stop the baby sitting and just let her actually fight and do shit without every character always going "lady Elizabeth stay back ill protect you!" Maybe she'd actually get some development. Elizabeth wants to protect him, but she still lets him fight. She doesnt go, "stay back Mel. Hey everyone protect mel!". Now of course, the main reason is because Mel is a fighter and his strength is well acknowledged. Perhaps they either 1. Don't trust Elizabeth to defend herself properly or 2. Really respectful of her title as a "princess". In either case, it's not doing her character any wonders.
PS: I don't think anyone believes she's "trash." Trash would be like Gilthunder level lel
I mean she told him that she doesn't want him to get hurt anymore and went up to take on the Indura herself. According to your logic this must mean Meliodas is weaker than Indura right lol?
Elizabeth recognises his power but still acts protective of him.
Guess it means he isn't 142k, huh?
It's just lover's bias for each other lol - it doesn't prove anything.and if you really want to get into it, once she flew up to the Indura, he didn't chase after her and try to pull her back down, so he has confidence in her powers, but he just wants to protect her, because that's a natural mechanism for lovers lol.
What he doesn't love drole or glox? Face it, if she didn't need backup then he wouldn't give it to her. If she's 100K then she should be protecting them, not the other way around. Does Mel not love any other members of the sins, because he never asked for backup for them. Fact is, she needed back up according to Mel. You guys jump on the train whenever she receives praise, but when its stated that she needs help you guys are nowhere to be found
I think she's honestly been protected a bit too much. Not to mention Elizabeth stated she cant keep letting him get hurt AFTER he burnt his hands. This dude Meliodas didn't even let her do shit before yelling at the others to protect her. I mean if they'd stop the baby sitting and just let her actually fight and do shit without every character always going "lady Elizabeth stay back ill protect you!" Maybe she'd actually get some development. Elizabeth wants to protect him, but she still lets him fight. She doesnt go, "stay back Mel. Hey everyone protect mel!". Now of course, the main reason is because Mel is a fighter and his strength is well acknowledged. Perhaps they either 1. Don't trust Elizabeth to defend herself properly or 2. Really respectful of her title as a "princess". In either case, it's not doing her character any wonders.
PS: I don't think anyone believes she's "trash." Trash would be like Gilthunder level lel
1) She's a pacifist, so people know she doesn't like fighting.
2) She's a princess, and of a royal title that means respect is given, and naturally, individuals of high respect have a lot of body guards. Chandler and Cusack didn't want the princes to fight Arthur, does this mean they aren't top tier and are garbage? No lol
3) It's natural as a human, under the curse that Elizabeth needs a degree of ''protection'' since she isn't at full power, but as her prime, literally no one but Meliodas tried to stop her, even Ludoshel encouraged her to fight against the Indura. It's clear he's only protective of her, because he adores her. Plus, I trust Ludoshel's judgement since I'm pretty sure he understands Elizabeth's capabilities a lot more than Meliodas.
Did you forget how Ludoshel asked for her to help him in eliminate Indura lol? None of the ''LADY ELIZABETH U MUST STAND DOWN AND SIT IN THE CELESTIAL REALM FOR UR SAFETY''
Only Meliodas is this protective of Elizabeth because HE loves her, he literally betrayed a clan for her, so of course he doesn't want to put her in any risk, doesn't mean she isn't powerful lol.
I can't believe you're using a character's bias to support an argument of a character being ''x & y'' weak I mean, it's pretty bad to do that...
It's just lover's bias for each other lol - it doesn't prove anything.and if you really want to get into it, once she flew up to the Indura, he didn't chase after her and try to pull her back down, so he has confidence in her powers, but he just wants to protect her, because that's a natural mechanism for lovers lol.
It's not lovers bias though. There is a huge difference between the two.
Elizabeth: I don't want Meliodas to fight, but I won't stop him.
Meliodas: Protect Elizabeth and keep her away from the fighting.
Mel may love her, but he's not going to not let her not fight when she's capable of doing it. He loves his other friends, but he still lets them fight.
Again, he isn't that overprotective. He still let her fight Gray Demon Hendrickson and didn't order any of the sins to protect her then and that's when she was human. He saw she was useful against Hendy and let her stay.
Did you forget how Ludoshel asked for her to help him in eliminate Indura lol? None of the ''LADY ELIZABETH U MUST STAND DOWN AND SIT IN THE CELESTIAL REALM FOR UR SAFETY''
Help could've been healing for the team. He never specified what she was to do. Plus Ludo doesn't care about her safety. Which is pretty evident when you consider that he made Sar and Tar trap her in a light barrier.
Look saying that Mel is overprotective is a huge insult to the relationship. Why? Because it implies that he doesn't trust Elizabeth to stand up for herself. There's a difference between being protective and being overbearing.
1) She's a pacifist, so people know she doesn't like fighting.
2) She's a princess, and of a royal title that means respect is given, and naturally, individuals of high respect have a lot of body guards. Chandler and Cusack didn't want the princes to fight Arthur, does this mean they aren't top tier and are garbage? No lol
3) It's natural as a human, under the curse that Elizabeth needs a degree of ''protection'' since she isn't at full power, but as her prime, literally no one but Meliodas tried to stop her, even Ludoshel encouraged her to fight against the Indura. It's clear he's only protective of her, because he adores her. Plus, I trust Ludoshel's judgement since I'm pretty sure he understands Elizabeth's capabilities a lot more than Meliodas.
1) Would still like to see her actually do something. If the manga ends without her having an actual 1v1 would you be ok with that? Just because she's a pacifist?
2) Chandler literally attacked the group with a barrage of spells and when asked if his attention was to harm Mel he simply stated "If Mel gets hurt by something like that then hes not fit to be the DK" or something along those lines. Chandler also let Estarossa and Zeldris straight up assault Mel without lifting a finger just to see if his pupil could defend himself. If the royal individual has sufficient strength, then those guarding have been shown to be very confident in their master's abilities, to the point where they leave them on their own or fight alongside them.
3) I mean even when she regained her powers, Nakaba had her head sliced, and had her rescued by Diane. He gave her 1 sort of moment where she stopped Estarossa but that did nothing. Her character is being thrown all over the place. Also Ludoshell encouraged her due to the circumstances they were in, and her purification ability being a huge asset in the fight. Beforehand he had just trapped her inside an ark ball.
Chandler literally attacked the group with a barrage of spells and when asked if his attention was to harm Mel he simply stated "If Mel gets hurt by something like that then hes not fit to be the DK" or something along those lines. Chandler also let Estarossa and Zeldris straight up assault Mel without lifting a finger just to see if his pupil could defend himself. If the royal individual has sufficient strength, then those guarding have been shown to be very confident in their master's abilities, to the point where they leave them on their own or fight alongside them.
Here we have Meliodas, telling both Drole and Gloxnina to watch over goddess Elizabeth and to protect her. That's right, as supposed "100K" Goddess needs protection, but not just from one person, but two people. She has OP magic sure, but she in and of herself is not High Tier. If she was high tier Mel wouldn't need to assign body guards to her. That'd be as smart as saying that Escanor needs protection
Ely is top tier and believe it or not at the end of the day shed be the one to defeat the final boss. The reason of Mel guarding Ely its not because Ely has low to mid power but her vulnerability of easily get persuaded by someone so basically Meliodas is their to interupt like oops Ely dont fall for it, its a trap.
So are you implying that the supposed "princess of the Goddess clan" is retarded... And not only that dumb, but that she'd also need two people just to save her from her stupidity
Because they both have personalities lol? Elizabeth is a more gentle and submissive person, she'll tell Meliodas not to fight, but she doesn't have the will to physically stop him etc
Again, he isn't that overprotective. He still let her fight Gray Demon Hendrickson and didn't order any of the sins to protect her then and that's when she was human. He saw she was useful against Hendy and let her stay.
He was more shocked at Elizabeth awakening her powers rather than fighting Hendrickson, and you're still forgetting that even though she still overpowered Hendrickson's demonic darkness and healed the entire city, he still told people to protect her, EVEN tho she could've helped even further.
So yes, it is being over-protective, especially when in her cursed form - that's pretty established tbh.
Help could've been healing for the team. He never specified what she was to do. Plus Ludo doesn't care about her safety. Which is pretty evident when you consider that he made Sar and Tar trap her in a light barrier.
This quote means you're ignoring the context entirely.
He asked HER to combine powers. Key word: COMBINE. in order to eliminate the Indura.
Nowhere did he say, I'll deal with Indura, go heal Sariel and Tarmiel.
Nowhere did he say, pls go purify.
The word combine powers + eliminate = Ludoshel + Elizabeth combine offensive ark.
Sure he doesn't care for her safety, but it was pretty evident that Ludoshel wanted to outright kill the Indura before anything else, and if Elizabeth was weaker than him or garbage then why would he go from panicking like mad without her, to suddenly being calm when she turns up??
Look saying that Mel is overprotective is a huge insult to the relationship. Why? Because it implies that he doesn't trust Elizabeth to stand up for herself. There's a difference between being protective and being overbearing.
As a Goddess, he was protective, but he was more lenient, since he even told the Archangels to LEAVE the Indura to Elizabeth. That tells us he has confidence in her powers lol
1) Would still like to see her actually do something. If the manga ends without her having an actual 1v1 would you be ok with that? Just because she's a pacifist?
3) I mean even when she regained her powers, Nakaba had her head sliced, and had her rescued by Diane. He gave her 1 sort of moment where she stopped Estarossa but that did nothing. Her character is being thrown all over the place. Also Ludoshell encouraged her due to the circumstances they were in, and her purification ability being a huge asset in the fight. Beforehand he had just trapped her inside an ark ball.
So are you implying that the supposed "princess of the Goddess clan" is retarded... And not only that dumb, but that she'd also need two people just to save her from her stupidity
So are you implying that the supposed "princess of the Goddess clan" is retarded... And not only that dumb, but that she'd also need two people just to save her from her stupidity
I hate to say it but yes shes stupid. Look what she have been doing. All are questionable. But it doesnt mean shes weak but she just doesnt think. She withstand the first blow of SD and DK like Mel so from that alone shes strong
Yes but still had to be saved. If she wasn't, the mini chandler would've finished her off during the time she was unconcious. Nakaba could've simply used that moment to have her eradicate a fodder minion but nah.
You said Ludoshell encouraged her to fight the Induras, and I responded why he encouraged her.
We keep showing scenes where she could've done something, but haven't, and the main responses are "she's a pacifist, she didn't intend to harm." Well if that's the case, if she never has a 1v1 before the manga ends, then we can simply justify it with that.
Yes but still had to be saved. If she wasn't, the mini chandler would've finished her off during the time she was unconcious. Nakaba could've simply used that moment to have her eradicate a fodder minion but nah.
Because they both have personalities lol? Elizabeth is a more gentle and submissive person, she'll tell Meliodas not to fight, but she doesn't have the will to physically stop him etc
He was more shocked at Elizabeth awakening her powers rather than fighting Hendrickson, and you're still forgetting that even though she still overpowered Hendrickson's demonic darkness and healed the entire city, he still told people to protect her, EVEN tho she could've helped even further.
So yes, it is being over-protective, especially when in her cursed form - that's pretty established tbh.
Again who did he put in charge of protecting her? Like I said he brought her around to look for Escanor and he let her fight in the vaizel festival against two assassins.
This quote means you're ignoring the context entirely.
He asked HER to combine powers. Key word: COMBINE. in order to eliminate the Indura.
Nowhere did he say, I'll deal with Indura, go heal Sariel and Tarmiel.
Nowhere did he say, pls go purify.
The word combine powers + eliminate = Ludoshel + Elizabeth combine offensive ark.
Sure he doesn't care for her safety, but it was pretty evident that Ludoshel wanted to outright kill the Indura before anything else, and if Elizabeth was weaker than him or garbage then why would he go from panicking like mad without her, to suddenly being calm when she turns up??
I don't think Ludoshel literally meant let me fire a laser and you back me up. Combine powers can simply means let's join forces. But for the sake of conversation lets give you the benefit of the doubt that he meant use your magic offensively. Please explain to me how being OP in magic alone is enough to make up for literally everything else that she's weak in?
As a Goddess, he was protective, but he was more lenient, since he even told the Archangels to LEAVE the Indura to Elizabeth. That tells us he has confidence in her powers lol
He didn't originally intend for Elizabeth to fight the indura though. He didn't even consider her an option, that's why he said leave it up to me. That's why when she got up she had to explain her plan like it wasn't already evident. Even after he realized that she was being pushed back he didn't do anything. For the simple reason that he couldn't. The situation seemed impossible.
I hate to say it but yes shes stupid. Look what she have been doing. All are questionable. But it doesnt mean shes weak but she just doesnt think. She withstand the first blow of SD and DK like Mel so from that alone shes strong
Again naïve doesn't mean outright complelty dumb that you can't tell the difference between right and wrong.
Also saying that because she fought with Mel she has his durability is a flawed argument. Gloxinia and Drole fought against Mel, but Glox by his own admission was almost killed before the fight even started. Plus we don't know how the gods fight went.
He didnt state ark? Did you not read my previous post? She had the power to hold them back with purification giving the other's an opening. No where was ark even implied
Doesn't have the will to physically stop him, yet went to confront/ reach out to him 3,000 years ago when he was vile.
Again who did he put in charge of protecting her? Like I said he brought her around to look for Escanor and he let her fight in the vaizel festival against two assassins.
I don't think Ludoshel literally meant let me fire a laser and you back me up. Combine powers can simply means let's join forces. But for the sake of conversation lets give you the benefit of the doubt that he meant use your magic offensively. Please explain to me how being OP in magic alone is enough to make up for literally everything else that she's weak in?
He didn't originally intend for Elizabeth to fight the indura though. He didn't even consider her an option, that's why he said leave it up to me. That's why when she got up she had to explain her plan like it wasn't already evident. Even after he realized that she was being pushed back he didn't do anything. For the simple reason that he couldn't. The situation seemed impossible.
I mean if I consent to prostitution it doesn't make me a role model lol. Fact is the act was still disrespectful towards royalty.
I mean I'm really not sure why Elizabeth would need two advisors either lol
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Again naïve doesn't mean outright complelty dumb that you can't tell the difference between right and wrong.
Also saying that because she fought with Mel she has his durability is a flawed argument. Gloxinia and Drole fought against Mel, but Glox by his own admission was almost killed before the fight even started. Plus we don't know how the gods fight went.
Ok since we are talking about PL's we shrink it down to this argument how could she withstand the power of DK and SD if she were a fodder? That was not a simple blow hence we saw Mel with the advance demon mark have the same damage as Elizabeth.
Ok since we are talking about PL's we shrink it down to this argument how could she withstand the power of DK and SD if she were a fodder? That was not a simple blow hence we saw Mel with the advance demon mark have the same damage as Elizabeth.
Again that doesn't work. Glox and Drole both looked like they had the same amount of damage at the end, but Drole took more hits in the fight and wasn't dying at the beginng. The gods toyed with them, or they did what Mel did, went harder on one person as compared to the other. Plus the fight makes Elizabeth look even weaker, because for someone who is supposed to specialize in healing, she should be looking a lot better.
He didn't originally intend for Elizabeth to fight the indura though. That's why when she got up she had to explain her plan like it wasn't already evident. Even after he realized that she was being pushed back he didn't do anything. For the simple reason that he couldn't. The situation seemed impossible.
I don't think Ludoshel literally meant let me fire a laser and you back me up. Combine powers can simply means let's join forces. But for the sake of conversation lets give you the benefit of the doubt that he meant use your magic offensively. Please explain to me how being OP in magic alone is enough to make up for literally everything else that she's weak in?
Then why didn't he simply say ''let's join forces'' ?
He said ''combine powers to eliminate the Indura'' - which most likely means, ''hey lets combine ark and laser them to death'' rather than ''u go heal King 2.0 and 3 headed freak and I'll handle the Indura who I couldn't scratch k? x''
I mean, it's supported by the fact that even when Elizabeth freed Sariel and Tarmiel, he was more concerned about talking to her than going over to them to heal/see how they were doing, kinda says he just wanted to kill Indura, and offensive ark is the way to go for that.
If Elizabeth's purification made 2 Phase 2 Indura's desperate and that was without Ludoshel's assistance, than what is going to happen if they combine their power into offensive ark? Indura will die quickly lol
And I don't think Elizabeth is that weak physically that she'll be outmatched by the Indura immediately, you did forget that they stood there and let her attack lol.
Considering how the slash wasn't even that deep. I don't believe the second slash would've done anything.
If she can literally not have her throat immediately crushed from 3C-Estarossa, then I'm not believing a Cheek Fodder Demon by Chandler can kill her. She would've recovered and attacked back if Diane hadn't done so.
Ok since we are talking about PL's we shrink it down to this argument how could she withstand the power of DK and SD if she were a fodder? That was not a simple blow hence we saw Mel with the advance demon mark have the same damage as Elizabeth.
Did they? Mel could've jumped in front of her for some attacks, she could've used a light barrier while Mel took direct hits, etc etc. As far as durability, we've clearly seen she's not Mel tier. Mel has took hits from nearly all commandments and stood up, with a bloodied body and 1 arm. Elizabeth was knocked out with a punch. They have very different levels of base durability.
Again that doesn't work. Glox and Drole both looked like they had the same amount of damage at the end, but Drole took more hits in the fight and wasn't dying at the begging. The gods toyed with them, or they did what Mel did, went harder on one person as compared to the other. Plus the fight makes Elizabeth look even weaker, because for someone who is supposed to specialize in healing, she should be looking a lot better.
But from the looks of it the Gods battle seems to be a 2v2?
If it was then it suggests Elizabeth and Meliodas never left each other's side and received the same attacks.
Plus, for all we know Elizabeth could've used all her magic healing or just gave up. No point wasting effort to heal when there's nothing you can do to stop your mother from killing you lol.
I know the Gods battle is vague, but to me it proves to an extent that Elizabeth as a Goddess DOES have some durability and physical stats, and that she isn't some flower that will wither and die if someone breathes in her direction lol
Did they? Mel could've jumped in front of her for some attacks, she could've used a light barrier while Mel took direct hits, etc etc. As far as durability, we've clearly seen she's not Mel tier. Mel has took hits from nearly all commandments and stood up, with a bloodied body and 1 arm. Elizabeth was knocked out with a punch. They have very different levels of base durability.
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