Considering how the slash wasn't even that deep. I don't believe the second slash would've done anything.
If she can literally not have her throat immediately crushed from 3C-Estarossa, then I'm not believing a Cheek Fodder Demon by Chandler can kill her. She would've recovered and attacked back if Diane hadn't done so.
lol wat. Estarossa wasn't trying to kill her, we know this. He loves her, and even in agony, he was begging her to join him. She was unconcious. The demon had five seconds to stab her through the brain. How on earth, could she survive that? Elizabeth can survive a slice through the brain now? In a human body?
What intention? He said let us combine our "powers". What is Elizabeth's key power? Purification. How effective was it in that fight? VERY. If she was intending to kill, simply lowering their prowess with her purification and allowing the other AA's to strike would've been the PERFECT strategy. Powers is not "just ark". It's, grace, arks, purification, hell throwing her shoe at them if that would do anything lmao. Anything that could be effective, is what "combining powers" is. Ark was not mentioned exclusively, and you have no scan to show that. Just the "intention", which roughly translates to your interpretation of the scan.
Didn't stop her from slapping him and running away and endangering her life. Love changes people yes, but it wouldn't covert someone as righteous as Elizabeth into a lowly dependent who can't act on her own beliefs due to love.
Unless Meliodas is a racist it doesn't really make sense for him to like goddess royalty, but shun human royalty. Is the message goddesses are the ultimate race deserving of respect and humans get none?
Then why didn't he simply say ''let's join forces'' ?
He said ''combine powers to eliminate the Indura'' - which most likely means, ''hey lets combine ark and laser them to death'' rather than ''u go heal King 2.0 and 3 headed freak and I'll handle the Indura who I couldn't scratch k? x''
I mean, it's supported by the fact that even when Elizabeth freed Sariel and Tarmiel, he was more concerned about talking to her than going over to them to heal/see how they were doing, kinda says he just wanted to kill Indura, and offensive ark is the way to go for that.
If Elizabeth's purification made 2 Phase 2 Indura's desperate and that was without Ludoshel's assistance, than what is going to happen if they combine their power into offensive ark? Indura will die quickly lol
And I don't think Elizabeth is that weak physically that she'll be outmatched by the Indura immediately, you did forget that they stood there and let her attack lol.
I mean let's join forces and let's combine our powers both mean the same thing. As to why he didn't say the other, IDK. 50/50 odds. Also Elizabeth didn't free Sar and Tar. Monspeet let them go, this is evident by how in a few pages later he's no longer hunched over like he's holding something down.
Also keep in mind Elizabeth put much more effort into her ark than Ludo. Ludo's ark didn't put any strain on his body, Elizabeth's caused her to pass out towards the end, and keep in mind she took no damage and had support.
Second slash would've killed her. The reason the first one wasn't as deep was because it probably only managed to nick her forehead. Point is if something is shaving sharp it can easily cut through bone. And a flying projectile traveling at arrow speeds is more than enough to effortlessly kill someone.
And I don't think Elizabeth is that weak physically that she'll be outmatched by the Indura immediately, you did forget that they stood there and let her attack lol.
It's Nakaba PIS probably. There really is no reason for them to just stand still and do nothing, but then proceed to attack Ludoshel when he's doing the exact same thing.
Ludoshel stands still and does nothing: gets punched
Elizabeth stands still and does nothing: gets to give a speech and power up
But from the looks of it the Gods battle seems to be a 2v2?
If it was then it suggests Elizabeth and Meliodas never left each other's side and received the same attacks.
Plus, for all we know Elizabeth could've used all her magic healing or just gave up. No point wasting effort to heal when there's nothing you can do to stop your mother from killing you lol.
I know the Gods battle is vague, but to me it proves to an extent that Elizabeth as a Goddess DOES have some durability and physical stats, and that she isn't some flower that will wither and die if someone breathes in her direction lol
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Implying that Meliodas can take the power of 2 Gods... ?
And for all we know Elizabeth could've healed him/shielded him, since this was a 2v2 battle.
Hang on let me do a Schmitty. ''lol dramatic effect doesn't count her being knocked out''.
If they were just toying around with him? Sure. Considering DK was toying around with Wild for over hundreds of thousands of times and he wasn't killed instantly. What we know though however, is if those 2 gods wanted them dead in 1 hit, they would be. There's no denying that. Toying was definitely involved. Not sure if Schmitty ever stated something along those lines but she got knocked tf out lol. That's all im saying.
But from the looks of it the Gods battle seems to be a 2v2?
If it was then it suggests Elizabeth and Meliodas never left each other's side and received the same attacks.
Plus, for all we know Elizabeth could've used all her magic healing or just gave up. No point wasting effort to heal when there's nothing you can do to stop your mother from killing you lol.
I know the Gods battle is vague, but to me it proves to an extent that Elizabeth as a Goddess DOES have some durability and physical stats, and that she isn't some flower that will wither and die if someone breathes in her direction lol
It was a punishment as stated by Mel, so the two of them would've drawn it out for as long as possible. For all we know the DK could've gone easier on Elizabeth than the SD did to Mel.
Even in a 1v2 the variable of damage was different. Now we have 2 independent so the variable of damage should definitely be even more different.
lol wat. Estarossa wasn't trying to kill her, we know this. He loves her, and even in agony, he was begging her to join him. She was unconcious. The demon had five seconds to stab her through the brain. How on earth, could she survive that? Elizabeth can survive a slice through the brain now? In a human body?
Urm, did you forget how Estarossa was going on a rampage and screaming ''ELIZABETH!!!'' while choking her?
He clearly was trying to choke her to death, he wasn't in control of himself.
Elizabeth's human body literally out-healed poison without her awareness, pretty sure a ''stab'' to the brain wouldn't kill her, especially when the slashes aren't that deep.
What intention? He said let us combine our "powers". What is Elizabeth's key power? Purification? How effective was it in that fight? VERY. If she was intending to kill, simply lowering their prowess with her purification and allowing the other AA's to strike would've been the PERFECT strategy. Powers is not "just ark". It's, grace, arks, purification, hell throwing her shoe at them if that would do anything lmao. Anything that could be effective, is what "combining powers" is. Ark was not mentioned exclusively, and you have no scan to show that. Just the "intention", which roughly translates to your interpretation of the scan.
It's Nakaba PIS probably. There really is no reason for them to just stand still and do nothing, but then proceed to attack Ludoshel when he's doing the exact same thing.
Ludoshel stands still and does nothing: gets punched
Elizabeth stands still and does nothing: gets to give a speech and power up
Second slash would've killed her. The reason the first one wasn't as deep was because it probably only managed to nick her forehead. Point is if something is shaving sharp it can easily cut through bone. And a flying projectile traveling at arrow speeds is more than enough to effortlessly kill someone.
And where is your evidence that the second attack would've killed her?
She's suffered much more brutal attacks in her human form, and has stupid healing. Unless the attack outright kills her, then she can just heal the damage.
I mean let's join forces and let's combine our powers both mean the same thing. As to why he didn't say the other, IDK. 50/50 odds. Also Elizabeth didn't free Sar and Tar. Monspeet let them go, this is evident by how in a few pages later he's no longer hunched over like he's holding something down.
Also keep in mind Elizabeth put much more effort into her ark than Ludo. Ludo's ark didn't put any strain on his body, Elizabeth's caused her to pass out towards the end, and keep in mind she took no damage and had support.
Unless Meliodas is a racist it doesn't really make sense for him to like goddess royalty, but shun human royalty. Is the message goddesses are the ultimate race deserving of respect and humans get none?
If they were just toying around with him? Sure. Considering DK was toying around with Wild for over hundreds of times and he wasn't killed instantly. What we know though however, is if those 2 gods wanted them dead in 1 hit, they would be. There's no denying that. Toying was definitely involved. Not sure if Schmitty ever stated something along those lines but she got knocked tf out lol. That's all im saying.
It was a punishment as stated by Mel, so the two of them would've drawn it out for as long as possible. For all we know the DK could've gone easier on Elizabeth than the SD did to Mel.
And where is your evidence that the second attack would've killed her?
She's suffered much more brutal attacks in her human form, and has stupid healing. Unless the attack outright kills her, then she can just heal the damage.
I mean I don't see how Chandler would fail to kill someone with human durability. Had Diane not been there the globs would've just kept slicing her till she was shredded. They don't just stop after one hit.
Ch 207. Monspeet is hunched over because he is holding the 4AA down. 208 he's once again back to regular posture which means he's not holding them down anymore. He didn't just bend over for no reason.
Well one is squared up against the DK and the other against the SD in one pannel. I doubt they both stood in the same place for the entire section. Plus they had to have been spread out for some time.
Ch 207. Monspeet is hunched over because he is holding the 4AA down. 208 he's once again back to regular posture which means he's not holding them down anymore. He didn't just bend over for no reason.
Well one is squared up against the DK and the other against the SD in one pannel. I doubt they both stood in the same place for the entire section. Plus they had to have been spread out for some time.
And realistically, they are lovers and probably understand that they are going to die, why decide to 1v1 each God? Fight together in your last moments.
I mean I don't see how Chandler would fail to kill someone with human durability. Had Diane not been there the globs would've just kept slicing her till she was shredded. They don't just stop after one hit.
We don't even know how powerful the Globs are. Considering how Diane one-shotted them, they ain't that strong...
Elizabeth has outhealed deadly poison without awareness
And resisted her throat from being crushed by Estarossa-3C when he was going berserk,
I don't believe these Globs would've killed her, sure they probably would've gotten maybe 1-2 more slashes in but she would've arked them and killed them immediately.
Urm, did you forget how Estarossa was going on a rampage and screaming ''ELIZABETH!!!'' while choking her?
He clearly was trying to choke her to death, he wasn't in control of himself.
Elizabeth's human body literally out-healed poison without her awareness, pretty sure a ''stab'' to the brain wouldn't kill her, especially when the slashes aren't that deep.
Oh wait I just re-read it. So it seems she was indeed gonna die but used ark in time. Granted theres no way that was all of his strength. Not only was he in agony, but for someone around Mel's level of strength, or at the very least 100k, ripping off her head would be as easy as tearing open a plastic wrapper. Her body is still human, literally King's level of durability. Yet him at 100% couldnt snap her neck instantly? The same dude that knocked down Diane's metal wall with a slap? Eh. Also when did she out-heal poison? And the slash wasn't deep because he didnt get to go in all the way as she was warned in time. I'm talking about the SECOND strike that would've happened if she wasn't picked up by Diane. And are you really telling me that an entire blade going completely through her brain wouldnt kill her? Really?
No, realistically, he means anything that could've helped them defeat the Induras. Show me where he meant ark. He cant. What I can do is show you a scan of Ludoshell saying "let us combine our powers". And that very definition means let us combine our "arsenal". Nothing there implies Ark exclusively no matter how you try to twist it.
And? It still show's that the DK was holding back considerably choosing to flick him rather than squash him into a bloody pulp. Point is he held back in that fight and they all survived, just like how they held back all those years ago before deciding to finish things.
The most I can “hype” Elizabeth is probably something like:
10 Strength.
5000 Spirit
50,000 Magic. 60,000 at most.
65,000-ish total.
It’d give her the highest confirmed magic stat in the series, and probably higher than any archangel. That’s enough for her.
She’s not a warrior, she only heals and purifies, and the archangels are all confirmed 80K+ and she’s clearly weaker than all of them who are actual warriors.
Well to be exact we don't see Elizabeth's spell cause Monspeet to release the AA. It's never shown what his hands did when he got hit. But point being he let them go because they were incapacitated for some time.
And realistically, they are lovers and probably understand that they are going to die, why decide to 1v1 each God? Fight together in your last moments.
Side by side doesn't mean that they each took the same attack though. You'd have to assume that the Supreme Deity and the DK combined every single one of their attacks for that to make sense.
We don't even know how powerful the Globs are. Considering how Diane one-shotted them, they ain't that strong...
Elizabeth has outhealed deadly poison without awareness
And resisted her throat from being crushed by Estarossa-3C when he was going berserk,
I don't believe these Globs would've killed her, sure they probably would've gotten maybe 1-2 more slashes in but she would've arked them and killed them immediately.
Diane isn't fodder though. Shes a giant. And we do know what they are capable of. They can effortlessly shred human flesh. It makes sense that Elizabeth would survive poison because poison is slow acting. Like I said it makes no sense for Chandler to not know how to kill a human. If diane wasn't there the first one would've made Elizabeth groggy and then would've just kept stabbing and stabbing. Elizabeth could've easily had her throat slit or had her heart punctured. Those things are the equivalent of swords, no one would deny that a sword couldn't kill a human
Estarossa being jacked up doesn't make it a feat. He had no control of his body and was going unconscious. Twiggo did the exact same thing with his body, but no one says he got a strength increase
Oh wait I just re-read it. So it seems she was indeed gonna die but used ark in time. Granted theres no way that was all of his strength. Not only was he in agony, but for someone around Mel's level of strength, or at the very least 100k, ripping off her head would be as easy as tearing open a plastic wrapper. Her body is still human, literally King's level of durability. Yet him at 100% couldnt snap her neck instantly? The same dude that knocked down Diane's metal wall with a slap?
They used poision against her, and they commented how she should've died in seconds against it.
@Undina credited her surviving to the idea of out-healing or neutralising the poison instantly when it entered her body, which makes sense considering she has healing powers.
And the slash wasn't deep because he didnt get to go in all the way as she was warned in time. I'm talking about the SECOND strike that would've happened if she wasn't picked up by Diane. And are you really telling me that an entire blade going completely through her brain wouldnt kill her? Really?
I mean other characters in the series have had their brains poked, stabbed etc and never died, so I don't believe Elizabeth would die considering either:
No, realistically, he means anything that could've helped them defeat the Induras. Show me where he meant ark. He cant. What I can do is show you a scan of Ludoshell saying "let us combine our powers". And that very definition means let us combine our "arsenal". Nothing there implies Ark exclusively no matter how you try to twist it.
And? It still show's that the DK was holding back considerably choosing to flick him rather than squash him into a bloody pulp. Point is he held back in that fight and they all survived, just like how they held back all those years ago before deciding to finish things.
If you're THAT powerful then there is only so much you can hold back from crushing inferior opponents. That's why the Gods did hold back their power, but not all of it, otherwise they wouldn't have taken 0 damage whilst their children are on the verge of death. It still shows they limited their power, but at a point where it's higher than their children.
Well to be exact we don't see Elizabeth's spell cause Monspeet to release the AA. It's never shown what his hands did when he got hit. But point being he let them go because they were incapacitated for some time.
Diane isn't fodder though. Shes a giant. And we do know what they are capable of. They can effortlessly shred human flesh. It makes sense that Elizabeth would survive poison because poison is slow acting. Like I said it makes no sense for Chandler to not know how to kill a human. If diane wasn't there the first one would've made Elizabeth groggy and then would've just kept stabbing and stabbing. Elizabeth could've easily had her throat slit or had her heart punctured. Those things are the equivalent of swords, no one would deny that a sword couldn't kill a human
Estarossa being jacked up doesn't make it a feat. He had no control of his body and was going unconscious. Twiggo did the exact same thing with his body, but no one says he got a strength increase
Sure Elizabeth with her magic could probably one shot the face things too, but the thing was that she was caught off guard when it happened. I don't think she'd be able to use her magic before their speed caused lethal injuries.
Here we have Meliodas, telling both Drole and Gloxnina to watch over goddess Elizabeth and to protect her. That's right, as supposed "100K" Goddess needs protection, but not just from one person, but two people. She has OP magic sure, but she in and of herself is not High Tier. If she was high tier Mel wouldn't need to assign body guards to her. That'd be as smart as saying that Escanor needs protection
Obviously Estarossa wasn't at 100% of his strength, but it's not like he was putting in no effort either.
Against the assassins in Vaizel.
They used poision against her, and they commented how she should've died in seconds against it.
@Undina credited her surviving to the idea of out-healing or neutralising the poison instantly when it entered her body, which makes sense considering she has healing powers.
I mean other characters in the series have had their brains poked, stabbed etc and never died, so I don't believe Elizabeth would die considering either:
Were they human? No human had their head sliced through completely.
A) Her brain would be sliced. That's instant death.
B) What? It pierced a quarter through her head, and that was only because she was warned in time. With the time she was unconscious, he could've easily continued cutting through her squishy human skull as he already did.
C) She was already attacked, and unconscious. Without Diane she would've been immobile for those few seconds.
I can't even believe your're arguing against this lol. Like how.
If you're THAT powerful then there is only so much you can hold back from crushing inferior opponents. That's why the Gods did hold back their power, but not all of it, otherwise they wouldn't have taken 0 damage whilst their children are on the verge of death. It still shows they limited their power, but at a point where it's higher than their children.
Them holding back just enough to not kill doesnt mean their durability took a hit. Them being that powerful can stand there for days and still walk off without a scratch. Of course it was stronger than their children, but still not enough to one shot. And we still lack context to determine the types of attacks, or who took more hits than who, etc etc.
Please explain to me how a bias of a character determines someone power?
Because if Meliodas bias to protect Elizabeth means she's not 100k and garbage tier then thanks for confirming to me that Merlin is God tier since Escanor literally worships her existence.
