Discussion Estimating Characters PL

[Demonspeed]

I don't want to talk about PL. But based on the last chapter, we can agree that Ludociel is stronger than Elizabeth, right? He was clearly considered their best fighter until Mael's growth.

 

[sobreno]

I don't want to talk about PL. But based on the last chapter, we can agree that Ludociel is stronger than Elizabeth, right? He was clearly considered their best fighter until Mael's growth.

Dude, you were doubting that lmao.

Ludoshel is their best fighter besides Mael, that was obvious from the beginning where Mael was stated to have Sunshine.

 

[Demonspeed]

Dude, you were doubting that lmao.

Ludoshel is their best fighter besides Mael, that was obvious from the beginning where Mael was stated to have Sunshine.

I just want to see if the others agree with me.

 

[sobreno]

I just want to see if the others agree with me.

Please, you already know the delusion of Elizabeth fanboys here.

But don't worry, the majority agree with you, including me.

 

[Demonspeed]

Please, you already know the delusion of Elizabeth fanboys here.

But don't worry, the majority agree with you, including me.

Well, I want to know what they think about this. I am curious .

 

[T25]

Please, you already know the delusion of Elizabeth fanboys here.

But don't worry, the majority agree with you, including me.

Sobreno may I ask how you believe your point is supposed to get across to people if your responses to them are laden with insults to the character and to the person themself? Other than that, where do you believe Eli’s PL range to be?

I don't want to talk about PL. But based on the last chapter, we can agree that Ludociel is stronger than Elizabeth, right? He was clearly considered their best fighter until Mael's growth.

I don’t think the last chapter really confirmed anything we didn’t already know about ludos battle prowess did it?

 

[Demonspeed]

I don’t think the last chapter really confirmed anything we didn’t already know about ludos battle prowess did it?

He is clearly portrayed as the ace of the clan in the army before Mael's growth. At least that's the impression I get from the chapter. That Mael is the only one who surpassed Ludociel.

How strong did you think he was before compared to the other Goddesses we know?

 

[sobreno]

Sobreno may I ask how you believe your point is supposed to get across to people if your responses to them are laden with insults to the character and to the person themself? Other than that, where do you believe Eli’s PL range to be?


I don’t think the last chapter really confirmed anything we didn’t already know about ludos battle prowess did it?

Pointing their delusion and clear fanboyism ( since that character is basically ignored in any media outside of this forum ) is insulting now? Good thing that people have a different point of view on things in this world because, for me, it isn't.

I dunno where she stands since Nakaba never gives a clear canonical PL but he gave it for Hawk lol. That show his lack of care for me.

She is not close to 60K for me, literally, all the sins are below that levels + all the commandments besides Zeldoris.

 

[T25]

He is clearly portrayed as the ace of the clan in the army before Mael's growth. At least that's the impression I get from the chapter. That Mael is the only one who surpassed Ludociel.

How strong did you think he was before compared to the other Goddesses we know?

Oh what I mean is the impression I got from him this chapter hasn’t changed my impression of him from his initial introduction chapters. They’re the same.

Pointing their delusion and clear fanboyism ( since that character is basically ignored in any media outside of this forum ) is insulting now? Good thing that people have a different point of view on things in this world because, for me, it isn't.

I dunno where she stands since Nakaba never gives a clear canonical PL but he gave it for Hawk lol. That show his lack of care for me.

She is not close to 60K for me, literally, all the sins are below that levels + all the commandments besides Zeldoris.

You question wether you are being insulting by actively proclaiming people to be delusional for presenting a perception they merely wish to discuss and you believe them to be delusional? Do you not understand what can constitute an insult?
I say I think such and such is strong and your immediate response is “you’re delusional nobody thinks that?” In a setting where many people do not like a such and such. So what the majority of a fandom thinks of a character is supposed to dictate my own perception? Why? And why am I delusional for trying to be rationally analytical of something because a majority of people do not care to do so?

 

[sobreno]

Oh what I mean is the impression I got from him this chapter hasn’t changed my impression of him from his initial introduction chapters. They’re the same.

You question wether you are being insulting by actively proclaiming people to be delusional for presenting a perception they merely wish to discuss and you believe them to be delusional? Do you not understand what can constitute an insult?
I say I think such and such is strong and your immediate response is “you’re delusional nobody thinks that?” In a setting where many people do not like a such and such. So what the majority of a fandom thinks of a character is supposed to dictate my own perception? Why? And why am I delusional for trying to be rationally analytical of something because a majority of people do not care to do so?

No? Because it is also my perception of them and I pointed it out by showing how marginal it is in reality.

What the majority thinks of a character isn't supposed to dictate your own perception, true but it should, however, makes you think more about why the majority tend to believe that way.

 

[HereNThere]

I don't want to talk about PL. But based on the last chapter, we can agree that Ludociel is stronger than Elizabeth, right? He was clearly considered their best fighter until Mael's growth.

I believe so. I also think this sheds new light on Mael's praise for Elizabeth Gowther mentioned some chapters ago. He was smitten with her, so it seems like that was more praise for her unlimited compassion rather than her power.

 

[TarXan]

I don't know why you're refusing to accept it when Nakaba has already hinted at her PL with the whole Goddess wings = power conversion.

And she happens to have wings that are on par with Ludoshel, and undeniably larger/longer than Sariel.

So realistically, with most or all of her feats being magic + wings = she should be AA tier minimum (near 90k) with all of it being mostly magic.

If Nakaba does turn around and confirm her to be AA tier or higher, then don't be salty about it when Nakaba has clearly highlighted that her powers aren't average and seem to be special

That doesnt mean anything, we still haven’t gotten confirmation on how the wings size and quantity equates to power levels

 

[Demonspeed]

Oh what I mean is the impression I got from him this chapter hasn’t changed my impression of him from his initial introduction chapters. They’re the same.

So, you also believe that Ludociel is stronger than Elizabeth, right?

 

[Seven777]

Ludociel should be the strongest after Mael, even if Eli did have a PL on par with his, i doubt she is anywhere near as good of a fighter. Elizabeth also doesnt have a grace, and based on what we've seen from Sariel and Tarmiel, grace abilities>>normal angel abilities, seeing as Estaross didnt have much trouble with ark, but was getting torn apart by grace attacks.

Plus Derriere didnt even need combo star to knock out Elizabeth, she'd need to be oneshotting her opponents straight away or she'd get slaughtered.

I mean Ludoshel is taller, but Elizabeth's wings extend past her body, so in a sense it's equivalent?

Plus, the bodies don't matter, it's the wings entirely, and by looking at them, Ludoshel and Elizabeth wings seem on par with each other. Some pages have hers being larger/longer than his and vice versa based on the level of detail and angle of the situation etc

And since wings = power and we see that being displayed in how Ludoshels larger wings = him being superior to Sariel.

Plus, sure, I imagine Nakaba draws them to make the characters look cool, but one of the purposes is to display a characters power.

I mean look at Ludoshel. Supposedly he's 100k with four wings, but the Supreme Goddesses has 10... just shows the difference in power.

Nakaba confirmed it, I'm sure the moderators have the source and that's why Elizabeth should be AA tier as a Goddess, since her wings display her power. In terms of ratio, it's probably all magic.

Ludociel's extend past his body too though.

Bodies just give us a sense of scale, the fact that the size of wings is inconsistent between chapters just makes it harder for me to believe that wing size is so important. I mean even when Mael was a weakling getting tired out from fighting Gray Demons, his wings were still pretty big, doesnt make sense

Tarmiel has 6 wings though... is he closer to the SD than Ludociel?

Did Nakaba really say wings=equal power? And did he say it exactly like that? Cause given the inconsistent way he draws his goddesses i feel like the comment he made could be interpreted in more ways than one. For example, are you sure its not how it is for Fairies where wing size=the maturity of the individual member's power, rather than the level of their power compared to others?

Based on Ludociel's reaction to Eli joining the fray against the Indura, i do at least think her magic stat is on the level of an AA, but having an overall PL of 100k+? Thats just too much imo, even Ludociel shouldnt be sitting at much more than 100k, unless the Indura are each coming up on AM Meliodas tier.

 

[danh]

When will the SD make her debut?
Her counterpart already made his move.

 

[Shadowlord123]

How strong do you guys think Arthur with Excalibur is?

 

[Demonspeed]

How strong do you guys think Arthur with Excalibur is?

He is just as strong, but with better techniques and an absurdly sharp sword.

 

[Seven777]

Excalibur itself seems somewhat sentient, so i wouldnt be surprised if it has its own PL that adds to its wielder. Cusack also talking about not having a body strong enough to handle its power seems to confirm this.
Arthur with it is at least 60k i'd say, likely more given that he had the physical strength and speed to cleave through Chandler and Cusack with ease, not to mention clashing swords with Zeldris and Meliodas. Giving Arthur godly skill should make it easier to divert Zeldris' and Meliodas' incoming attacks without having to take their full force head on, but he'd still need to be at least 60k to move fast enough to do that imo, even if the two werent trying.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Wing sizes at best are just estimations. Like others have said, those giant goddesses which are blatant fodder have wings that are equivalent to the AA in bodily proportion and size.

Mael since he was a lil bitch (jk) had huge wings in regard to his bodily proportion.

As for the way they’re drawn, don’t take it literally. Sariel has had bigger and smaller wings than Elizabeth and this goes for basically all the AA. I’d imagine it’s hard to draw the wings with 100% accuracy, especially if Nakaba isn’t using a ruler every time he draws the AA

 

[Mythoclast]

How strong do you guys think Arthur with Excalibur is?

We've only seen the techniques of 2 of the previous wielders.When Arthur does master Excalibur,we should expect more abilities since there is about a dozen spirits in the sword.
So even without his magic and whatever buff Cath'll give him,he'll still be pretty damn strong with just Excalibur(granted he masters it).