which both has the same reference on their context of statements rather than you not being analytic enough to know there different traslations at hand. Like i said licensed of being an official translation> fan translation.
which both has the same reference on their context of statements rather than you not being analytic enough to know there different traslations at hand. Like i said licensed of being an official translation> fan translation.
So does this make Elizabeth stronger than Ludoshel because she confronted Assault Mel and Zel by herself without fear? I mean if we’re going by the whole “hesitant equals weakness,” then the opposites should apply as well
in base? nice argument because when they implied that it was a flashback of him being one of the AAs with an armor. So spare some saltiness and actually prove your point showing evidence.
i think mael's base is 60k, so if you want to make an argument that since you wanna use headcanon about his base i could lower the number too xD.
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there's many buttons above your text that allows you to pic stuff such as text design or uploading video etc. if u cant do it just show the link of the manga itself.
So does this make Elizabeth stronger than Ludoshel because she confronted Assault Mel and Zel by herself without fear? I mean if we’re going by the whole “hesitant equals weakness,” then the opposites should apply as well
But realistically, the statement of comparability is true as far as we know but at the same time this isn't even considering the possibility of light wings acting as a power boost. For all we know they could be the Goddess equivalent of the Demon mark?
Honestly, I trust more feats than statements, and Ludo has no feats that put him on a comparable field to AM Prime Mel, who was easily able to bypass the DK's borrowed magic and clash and repel Sun Mael outside of AM
Prime Meliodas doesn't really have many feats then, the only thing really recognisable is him overpowering Zeldris magic immunity but given how we don't know what his magic actually does, could actually make such a feat redundant in the future. As for equalling Mael and making him ''retreat'', given how Nakaba-sensei has the biggest erection for Meliodas and how there wasn't a full fight and just a small clash, once again makes this feat NOT that impressive.
So by feats, you really don't have that much going for you, so we rely on statements, to which Mael CLEARLY suggests that Elizabeth & Ludoshel are comparable to Prime Meliodas, because they had the capability of replacing the role Gowther envisioned for Mael (i.e turning someone with power like Meliodas over to the Demon Clan)
It really isn't, because we've had Mael himself say that Ludoshel + Elizabeth are comparable to Prime Meliodas and have feats to back this up. Ludoshel was able to almost stalemate Indura Derieri in speed and only received minor injuries from a demon who's vastly superior to everyone else in the clan and easily comparable or above Prime Meliodas in Phase 2. We then have Elizabeth overpowering Phase 1 Indura quite easily and being able to stalemate them in their strongest darkness-enhanced form despite it being a 1V2. Granted, she would've eventually been pushed back and had to use the entirety of her magic reserves to pull off such a feat, but she practically made these powerful demons beg in resisting her.
Prime Meliodas has less notable feats than Ludoshel or Elizabeth, whom were able to resist or perform very well against Indura's - creatures whom are beyond 200,000 and easily comparable to Prime Meliodas.
Again, judging by how 2nd DM Mark Mel already equalled Sun Mael in the special chapter and how Ludo reacted when he saw Mel get in front of him; honestly, I can't help but think that Ludo and Eli are only comparable to 2nd DM Mel outside of AM, and probably the Holy War version.
A single clash of energy doesn't equate to 2ND DM Mark Meliodas being equal to Mael or the other top tier Goddesses though? By that logic, Ludoshel was able to equal Cusack in speed even though at a second clash he was overpowered.
We didn't see the full fight, so you can't create the conclusion of equivalency - especially when Nakaba literally does anything to make Meliodas look good. Just look at how the chapter puts so much emphasise on Meliodas presence alone, with Bellion fanboying over him and regurgitating his titles for the 100th time.
Mael his equal, gets what? nothing on that level of spotlight so i really don't take that special chapter seriously considering nakaba's track record.
The only Goddess I see comparable to AM Prime Mel or above him outside of the SD, would be near noon to noon Mael, since Ludo already admitted that he can't even hope to match his bro in those hours.
The Supreme Deity is far above him, why is this even a point of discussion? Why has the entire Meliodas fan-base become crazy and deluded that a single magical power allows him to bridge the immense raw power gap between himself and the Gods? They murdered him and Elizabeth very easily in battle and Meliodas himself has mentioned one more than one occasion that he requires all ten commandments in order to become on par with his father and break the curse. Meliodas is not comparable to his father, this has been expressed and established at multiple turns in the story, but all of a sudden him revealing a new unexplored magic power has the entire fandom up and running? What is wrong with you all, I'm genuinely curious at how people can believe in such an irrational thought?
As for Mael, since his statement confirmed the comparability between Ludoshel, Elizabeth, himself & Prime Meliodas then I'm pretty sure Near Noon/Noon Mael is far beyond anything Meliodas can do. Hell, this shouldn't even be a point of discussion either, Escanor's feats with the sun blessing are crazy and he doesn't have a base of Mael.
Yet Mel was able to easily block this so-called "fastest swordplay in the Demon Clan" without the need of even using a sword and catched him with ease.
The same swordplay that was able to scratch Ludo. Cusack also stalemated and even surpassed him in speed, since Ludo was the one who got injured in that clash
Barely surpassed him in speed when Ludoshel was inside a vessel whom teached Zeldris to become the fastest in his clan, why is there any contention on whether Ludoshel is faster or not than Meliodas in his real body? His entire character is known as ''Flashing'' and remarked on his speed, but Meliodas never gets this.
Honestly, you could argue that Ludo in his OG Body using Flash is probably slightly faster than Mel, but the point is, you said that he would be able to outspeed him (to blitz somebody you must be far faster than your opponent) and there is no evidence to suggest this. In fact, we don't even have evidence that Ludo would be faster in the first place.
Durability doesn't depend on physical strength, tho. While it's true that most of the characters that have a high strength stat have a high durability, that isn't always the case.
Obviously, but its no secret that Elizabeth's durability isn't on par with those she's comparable with since she's almost entirely made up of magic PL wise. I know we didn't see the full fight, but if 2ND DM Meliodas (Holy War version) is on par durability wise with the Goddess Elizabeth when he's much more specialised in that category, easily shows he isn't at AA level.
Gloxinia, who had 0 strength was able to resist Mel's punches to some degree. King, who also has 0 strength has also shown decent durability during the entire series (if you want an example, he was able to resist some of 3C Mael's hits). The point is, durability doesn't always equal to strength.
At the same time you have the DK himself stating that with this magic activated, Mel can fight him, which already puts him on a comparable field to them (not saying he's stronger or weaker since we still lack details).
I've got to love how the second the Demon King says ''fight'' everyone begins to have the interpretation that Meliodas can suddenly duel him as an equal, when this is completely incorrect.
And even if that wasn't enough we have panels of him literally destroying the DK's arm just by activating this magic. Not to mention that with this magic he can't stay in the Mortal Realm. Familiar?
Yes, he destroyed the Demon King's arm but you all seem to love bringing this up and avoiding the fact that said God had deactivated ''The Ruler'' and had his hand stuck down a drain, which basically constitutes as him being ''off-guard'' since he had no way to react to any threat coming his way, essentially when he assumed Meliodas wouldn't use an ability and underestimated him. Now, since we don't know the true nature of his original magic, I'm going to make the assumption that ''The Ruler'' will turn it into healing, effectively rendering it useless.
It's not even a real representation of what would happen in a real fight, the Demon King was weakened, over-confident, deactivated his magic and was off-guard. Yes, we know Meliodas wasn't at his prime but we saw what happened in his Holy War version. His prime wouldn't help much + when the DK took the fight serious.
So yes, in a serious fight, Meliodas stands no chance and is far beyond the realm of being called ''comparable'' to the Gods.
Your evidence refers to a vague statement from the Demon King, him stating ''fight'' doesn't refer to ''comparability'' in anyway, that's simply your head cannon. The other evidence is him harming the weakened, off-guard, overconfident and ''The Ruler'' deactivated Demon King.
The evidence is not even close to ''comparability'' but apparently the entire Mel fanbase is making such bold claims. its honestly ridiculous, especially when you all conveniently ignore the Demon King killing him without effort and needing for his son to absorb the commandments to become on par with him.
There's MORE evidence to suggest he isn't comparable or close to the Gods tbh.
What is Merlin without her magic? Yep, pretty much fodder.
What is King without his magic? Fodder that wouldn't even be able to beat a cat in a fight.
What is Escanor without Sun? Fodder human.
What is Zeldris without ON? A strong individual who would be instantly fodderized by the likes of The One Escanor, while with his OG he can compete against him to some extent.
What is Ludo without Flash? A strong individual, sure, but he wouldn't have nowhere near the speed he has with Flash, making him considerably weaker without it.
What is Eli without magic? Pretty much fodder with the information we have on her. You can't deny that.
What is Mel without his magic? A being capable of matching the strongest mortals, who has an incredible strength nearly unmatched in all the mortals, with top speed, durability and reflexes. You can't also deny that.
If it WAS REALLY THAT EASY, do you honestly believe Meliodas wouldn't have done it by now?
What's easier?
-Collecting all commandments and absorbing them (which is a risky process) in order to become the Demon King and break the curse
OR
-Activate his real magic and break the curse within seconds?
And don't give me ''but he's afraid to use it'' considering he was afraid of becoming his old self but had 0 care for it if Elizabeth's curse would be broken.
He's not God level or even comparable, why do u think he needs all ten commandments to become equal to his father? why are you ignoring this for a ''well og magic lol'' argument that has countless flaws?
It's also been stated that Meliodas needs commandments to become on par with his father and break the curse, even mentioning to Elizabeth that it was all he had left in options. So whilst it hasn't been stated as you said, there are other points in the manga that literally say only 10C's can break the curse.
He just activated that magic, he isn't on the Mortal Realm and he hasn't done much with it. We can't jump to conclusions and immediately say that he would be unable to break that curse, thus he's far below the Gods since there are more statements pointing out that he's on a comparable field to them, rather than statements that he would get destroyed. Anyway, we still lack information.
-Meliodas never used it yet wanting to break the curse for 3000 years. Telling me he's afraid of using his magic or more willing to suffer for thousands of years is beyond unacceptable, in fact its a pathetic argument.
-said on multiple occassions only the commandments could give him enough strength to break the curse
-literally said to elizabeth it was the only option he had left and begged her to accept it.
So with such information its easy to conclude that he's not at the God's level (or even close to it since he needs all ten) and his real magic won't make a difference, stop with the head cannon.
I just want ludo to have something like a flash goddess mode where he is covered in lightening just like naruto in kyuubi chakra mode that would be cool for him.
I believe ludo must be having something thatade mael put him at the same level as Meliodas and Elizabeth
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I think flash is the best grace but totally underated
Flash if used properly can be used in time manipulation , space time techniques like of obito's cannot be touched thing and punching at the speed of light which can cause a destructive power of 155 tsar bomba and so many more.
Yes I asked him and got it confirmed that ludo cant possibly hope to be on par with mael when its near to noon.
So guess what i'm right and you're wrong as always
So does this make Elizabeth stronger than Ludoshel because she confronted Assault Mel and Zel by herself without fear? I mean if we’re going by the whole “hesitant equals weakness,” then the opposites should apply as well
that wasn't the point?? if ludo hesitated on diving into the battle while knowing he was about to go in and kill the indura's while suffering from elizabeth and yet when meliodas came in to prevent ludo from killing the induras he made him hesitant to go at him, so this proves he's a dirty bastard who takes an advantage for himself and killing without fighting in 1v1 fight head on. Your argument doesn't make sense because she didn't fight anyone that will lead to confronting meliodas and yet ludo's scenario is where he was about to kill the indura's and decides needing help from sar and tar on defeating meliodas who himself is cpuple meters away from him. Not only that this proves the scaling either way that meliodas made him hesitant to make him accomplishment on the ground but yet despite being so angry he didn't even try to do something against meliodas himself and needing the assitance of 2 AAs
that wasn't the point?? if ludo hesitated on diving into the battle while knowing he was about to go in and kill the indura's while suffering from elizabeth and yet when meliodas came in to prevent ludo from killing the induras he made him hesitant to go at him, so this proves he's a dirty bastard who takes an advantage for himself and killing without fighting in 1v1 fight head on. Your argument doesn't make sense because she didn't fight anyone that will lead to confronting meliodas and yet ludo's scenario is where he was about to kill the indura's and decides needing help from sar and tar on defeating meliodas who himself is cpuple meters away from him. Not only that this proves the scaling either way that meliodas made him hesitant to make him accomplishment on the ground but yet despite being so angry he didn't even try to do something against meliodas himself and needing the assitance of 2 AAs
This has nothing to do with Indura. You don’t even need the Indura in this equation.
3000+ years ago Elizabeth stood before peak Assault Mel and Zel knowing full well a fight could break out and she didn’t hestitiate. She had no clue that the two of them would fall in love nor did she think she could talk her way out of it because even when she met the 10C she realized she could have to fight them. Sometime later Ludo couldn’t even stand before a non Assault Mel without Zel by himself therefore he should be weaker. I mean it’s your own logic that you’ve used multiple times for example:
“Assault Mel wasn’t scared of The One therefore he should be stronger”
“Zel wasn’t scared of The One therefore The One isn’t that OP”
Just stop backtracking
Also Ludo is scummy, but when he was first introduced he took on Fraudrin, Monspeet, and Deri by himself. He later went to fight Zel in a sword duel because he heard he was the fastest. He’s not a coward 24/7. This dude didn’t get the title of strongest AA (before Mael) by being a coward
that wasn't the point?? if ludo hesitated on diving into the battle while knowing he was about to go in and kill the indura's while suffering from elizabeth and yet when meliodas came in to prevent ludo from killing the induras he made him hesitant to go at him, so this proves he's a dirty bastard who takes an advantage for himself and killing without fighting in 1v1 fight head on. Your argument doesn't make sense because she didn't fight anyone that will lead to confronting meliodas and yet ludo's scenario is where he was about to kill the indura's and decides needing help from sar and tar on defeating meliodas who himself is cpuple meters away from him. Not only that this proves the scaling either way that meliodas made him hesitant to make him accomplishment on the ground but yet despite being so angry he didn't even try to do something against meliodas himself and needing the assitance of 2 AAs
This has nothing to do with Indura. You don’t even need the Indura in this equation.
3000+ years ago Elizabeth stood before peak Assault Mel and Zel knowing full well a fight could break out and she didn’t hestitiate. She had no clue that the two of them would fall in love nor did she think she could talk her way out of it because even when she met the 10C she realized she could have to fight them. Sometime later Ludo couldn’t even stand before a non Assault Mel without Zel by himself therefore he should be weaker. I mean it’s your own logic that you’ve used multiple times for example:
“Assault Mel wasn’t scared of The One therefore he should be stronger”
“Zel wasn’t scared of The One therefore The One isn’t that OP”
Just stop backtracking
Also Ludo is scummy, but when he was first introduced he took on Fraudrin, Monspeet, and Deri by himself. He later went to fight Zel in a sword duel because he heard he was the fastest. He’s not a coward 24/7. This dude didn’t get the title of strongest AA (before Mael) by being a coward
Well actually ludo called out for sar and tar so that he won't just take out indura but also kill meliodas at the same time and keep Elizabeth away so that she does not interfere thats the major reason why he called for sar and tar .
Well actually ludo called out for sar and tar so that he won't just take out indura but also kill meliodas at the same time and keep Elizabeth away so that she does not interfere thats the major reason why he called for sar and tar .
