Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

Laxus was nerfed to a certain point to make the fight more interesting and was paired with someone who was immune to his magic.

If Laxus could've one shot a Mage who was stated to be equal to the rest of the 12 than he's stronger.

Ajeel is the sand, in sand world, he can be anywhere within the radius of the spell. Also, that spell dries up its enemy. Not even God Serna can counter sandstorm, I highly doubt any of DS spells is above city level considering the fact that the sand literally travels to clouds.

So please quit saying "oh August is the strongest" It's been stated multiple times that they're equal. Natsu even said himself that Brandish magic power is a bit less than August.

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Explain this than bud, Natsu used Demolition fist on the God of War but did not need to enter BDKM. He also said "taste the flames of Igneel" and uses his right arm where the bandages are.

After Igneels powers are gone, he needs to enters BDKM to use that attack which logically means Natsu used Igneels powers against Zerefs troops/black carpet when he used that roar.

Every time he stated that he will become stronger so that doesn't lose anyone else anymore was against the God of War and Zerefs army.

It is said that if you keep on repeating same thing. It becomes true

I don't think natsu said that about August. I think he was sweating too. I think mest just hyped August more above the hype that natsu gave. What is official translation of what natsu said.

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Ajeel definitely looked faster than Wahl.
He waltzed around erza quiet casually. While Wahl could barely keep up with laxus

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My ranking is a little different

1) Eileen
2) August
3) lacarde
Tier difference
4) invel.

After that others should be around each other in power. But different stats
Like durability
Dimeria (above even laxus) > ajeel > wahl > Jacob => nienhart
Speed
Ajeel > Wahl > Jacob

Attack power
Wahl = Serena > ajeel >> Jacob

Hex
Dimeria > Jacob >> neinhart > ajeel

With least mp goes to Bradman because of curse power

 

[Xzilerate]

The official translation has Natsu saying that August's magical power is "way beyond" Brandish's. The translation from MS where he said it's a bit higher was flat out wrong.

 

[Axiomus]

Fire means the same thing as flames. So showing that panel backs up my statement. Natsu did not use Demolition fist fighting Zeref, it was never stated.

"Natsu uses FDKM to engulf the area with flames"

That makes so sense whatsoever, throughout the entire series when he enters a mode, he uses it specially on an enemy. Natsu wouldn't purposely evaporate the lake water.

What's the difference between "this is the fire of the fire dragon King" and "taste the flames of Igneel"?

Igneel is the fire dragon King
Flames/fire same meaning

"Natsu said he can use 'this' once"
He meant the power of Igneel which can't be regenerated. It doesn't mean Natsu can't tap into this power when needed to.

Spoiler: Raws of C464

Natsu doesn't call Igneel's magical power "flames of Igneel", or "fire of the fire dragon king". He just calls it Igneel's power. In the raws he uses the term for magical power, which is 魔力. How does fire meaning the same thing as flames back up anything you are saying? The fire of the Fire Dragon King is just the type of fire a Fire Dragon King can create. Natsu can create those types of flames using any FDK spell. He doesn't need to tap into Igneel's magical power for that. Igneel's magical power is the raw amount of MP that Igneel left for him.

Spoiler: I can only use this technique once - Natsu

Natsu said he can only use this power once. That means he can only use it once. It was also something he saved up specifically for Zeref. Pretty much the opposite of that is saying he can use it all the time on other people. Natsu clearly had enough magical power for one more attack to finish Zeref off. If Natsu can conserve his power for another time, he would have just saved it for another time. Yet he couldn't, and Igneel's power ran out. Igneel's power cannot be rationed. It can only be used once. That's what was said, that's what was done.

Spoiler: Happy's surprised reaction to Natsu willing to use Igneel's power so soon against Zeref, moments after seeing Natsu use an FDK roar against the army

Spoiler: Zeref reacted to Natsu, and sensed Igneel's magical power, the exact moment the bandages came off

It's obvious that he didn't use Igneel's power with the roar. Happy wouldn't be surprised Natsu was about to use it against Zeref if he just saw Natsu use it against fodders. Zeref knew the power behind Natsu's roar, down to the exact number of people it took down. He didn't take note of Igneel's power then, but he did the exact moments the bandages came off. Clearly that FDK roar was not the same thing as tapping into Igneel's magical power.

Using an attack inside a mode takes up more power than just using the attack in base form, because you need to spend more power maintaining the mode. Natsu obviously doesn't need the mode when he used the roar, which was a spell cast without Igneel's power. Natsu entered the mode against Zeref, so I have no idea where you're getting this idea that Igneel's power allows Natsu to use FDk spells without entering the mode. Saying that it wasn't named demolition fist doesn't help your case either.

Jacob is a Spriggan 12, and all members of the Spriggan 12 had more MP than any mage Fairy Tail has ever faced. Nobody was blown away by Ikusatsunagi's level of magical power. You are correct that Jacob was not blown to bits. FDK mode + Demolition Fist > Base mode + demolition fist. Jacob did not get smashed to bits by FDK mode + Demolition Fist. Ikusatsunagi was blown away by just demolition fist. Jacob survived the stronger attack with less injury. The only way Ikusatsunagi would be stronger than Jacob would be if Natsu was using Igneel's power, which is what you're trying to prove by saying Ikustasunagi is stronger than Jacob. Your argument is circular.

 

[Arjuna]

Natsu can only use Igneel's power only once.It has been stated twice in chap 452(may be and obviously in Chapter 464).The Dragon Tatoo and the removal of bandages was the indication that he was using Igneel's power that too against Zeref only.Everything apart from that he based on his own MP.

 

[BluePegasus]

Lol is Ajeel really rated above Bradman now? So Sand Magic is superior to all of the Nine Demon Gate curses? So Ajeel's Sand World is more hax than Bradman's MBP's? So Ajeel's Sand Body has a better defense than Bradman's body of MBP's? Seriously, lol to that.

Ajeel is nowhere near the level of Bradman. There isn't even a point in comparing them since Ajeel would fall within the first view seconds once he faces Bradman but ok. Ajeel's Sand Magic isn't even more impressive than any Nine Demon Gate curse in the first place. Exactly what could Ajeel do against Tenchi Kaimei? Or Macro? Or Sensation Curse? Or Absorbtion Curse? Or what about an insta freeze? Yeah, nothing at all. Ajeel is like tiers beneath Bradman.

Still don't get why he is overrated while it seems more like a fact to me he is the weakest Spriggan.. Or more like a fodder Spriggan.

 

[Char]

Are there really people who are putting Ikatsunagi on spriggan level? :S

@BluePegasus Ajeel's sand mastery is above anything the Tartaros demons have shown (except for hax curses like Macro or Memento Mori) and he's definetely not tiers below Bradman, but I have to agree with you: Bradman is superior to Ajeel in every possible way. He's got the spriggan tiers abilities (assimilation into the sand, sandworld which allows instant transport from anywhere to anywhere his sand reaches, extreme dehydration where he literally mummifies you) but they're all very bordeline if you ask me, if compared to haxy spriggans or Spriggans like God Serena who could defeat four arguably powerful wizards with amazing ease.

Wahl and Ajeel both had problems to defeat Fairy Tail mages: Erza gave some difficulty to Ajeel whereas Laxus literally was so above Wahl he defeated him even when he was injured from the beginning + his magic being ineffective against Wahl, so I class them very low on the list.

 

[The President]

Wahl is basically a walking anti-hax robot and it's important to point out that while Wahl was at the advantage for the majority of the fight due to Laxuses illness and resistance to lightning, Laxus ultimately beat him with a super effective technique. There is really no reason he should be placed low. His fire power is superior to what God has shown as of now, he has superior CQC skills and he counters most forms of hax (ie most hax mages are uselss against him, and there are a fair few).

Lol is Ajeel really rated above Bradman now? So Sand Magic is superior to all of the Nine Demon Gate curses? So Ajeel's Sand World is more hax than Bradman's MBP's? So Ajeel's Sand Body has a better defense than Bradman's body of MBP's? Seriously, lol to that.

I rate Bradman above Ajeel, but Sand World is definitely more haxxed then mere MBP body.

Exactly what could Ajeel do against Tenchi Kaimei?

This could definitely be a problem but sand is pretty versatile.

Or Macro?

Likely wouldn't work.

Or Sensation Curse?

Toughens it out.

Or Absorbtion Curse?

I wonder if it could even absorb something like sand.

Or what about an insta freeze? Yeah, nothing at all.

He gets out of instant freeze just like he got out of it against DeS Gray. Or like base Mard got out of it. Insta freeze =/= Insta win.

 

[Hermit]

He gets out of instant freeze just like he got out of it against DeS Gray

Gray didn't freeze Ajeel, he just froze the golem he was on while chasing the Fairy Tail members, Gray himself wasn't exactly trying to fight Ajeel since he was more focused on Makarov's earlier orders that they should escape..
Although I will agree with you about insta freeze not equating to insta victory, it depends on the calibre of the mage

 

[extremebegins123]

Gray froze golem and Ajeel .

And the same procedure to Silver , IT freezes Everything in range of magic.

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[Sumana Soh]

Calm down guys haha. The only way of knowing who is stronger is all in Hiro's hand.

 

[sharkai]

Calm down guys haha. The only way of knowing who is stronger is all in Hiro's hand.

No, we already know
Ajeel is the weakest because he fought erza. And we all know erza is Sakura of fairy tail.
If Bradman was weak, mishma would have made him fight erza obviously

And we also know for a fact Serena is upper tier springgan.

 

[Char]

No, we already know
Ajeel is the weakest because he fought erza. And we all know erza is Sakura of fairy tail.
If Bradman was weak, mishma would have made him fight erza obviously

And we also know for a fact Serena is upper tier springgan.

Lol...
And, in any case, end of series Sakura was probably the strongest alive kunoichi (and the most hated one as well).

 

[Crimson Ice]

To be precise,August was said to be strongest by Makarov who didn't meet or hear about all of the Spriggan.
If we go by Brandish's statements they're both around the same level.
Even when they encontered at the beach, she didn't seem to be intimidated by him.

Brandish is the one who says he's the strongest individual. As for the beach who was the one who ended up shutting up and listening to the other.

 

[Indira]

Gray froze golem and Ajeel .

And the same procedure to Silver , IT freezes Everything in range of magic.

Spoiler

Spoiler

That's not freezing Ajeel. Look carefully, the range of the ice doesn't directly connect to Ajeel. It connects mostly to the golems.

Spoiler

On the second spoiler panel you posted, we can see Ajeel jump out of the way with the potency of the ice only striking the golems, we can see a bit of difference seperating the two, so Emperor Spriggan is spot-on here.

 

[extremebegins123]

He froze the golem and Ajeel . The two were together. Ajeel broke the ice . As well Mard Geer .


It is not something interpretation is fact. and not quote me for to repeat the same thing .

 

[Indira]

He froze the golem and Ajeel . The two were together. Ajeel broke the ice . As well Mard Geer .


It is not something interpretation is fact. and not quote me for to repeat the same thing .

How is Ajeel breaking the ice, when he's jumping out of it? We can see his stance that shows him actually jumping and not breaking out of it. It means Ajeel was quick enough to react, and that is a speed reaction feet. In no way do we ever see Ajeel being encased in the ice. I quote something that is misinterpreted.

Only Marde Geer was shown to break out of the ice.

 

[Axiomus]

How is Ajeel breaking the ice, when he's jumping out of it? We can see his stance that shows him actually jumping and not breaking out of it. It means Ajeel was quick enough to react, and that is a speed reaction feet. In no way do we ever see Ajeel being encased in the ice. I quote something that is misinterpreted.

Only Marde Geer was shown to break out of the ice.

You can see the crack in the ice where he jumped, right in the middle of the golem's head - as well as shards of broken ice flying off.

Spoiler: Ajeel breaking out of the ice

 

[Indira]

You can see the crack in the ice where he jumped, right in the middle of the golem's head - as well as shards of broken ice flying off.

Spoiler: Ajeel breaking out of the ice

I get that, but we have not seen Ajeel actually breaking out of the ice as in he was not encased in the ice. He just broke shards of the ice as well as the ice that got in his way which showed a crack, and proceeding got away swiftly which shows his speed reaction feats as the ice don't fully connect to him but only the golems. Marde Geer was encased in the ice and broke out of it with his full power. Big difference between the two tbh.

The argument was that Ajeel was frozen and broke out of it Iirc.
We can safely say he broke the ice that reached him, but was not frozen by it.

 

[Axiomus]

I get that, but we have not seen Ajeel actually breaking out of the ice as in he was not encased in the ice. He just broke shards of the ice as well as the ice that got in his way which showed a crack, and proceeding got away swiftly which shows his speed reaction feats as the ice don't fully connect to him but only the golems. Marde Geer was encased in the ice and broke out of it with his full power. Big difference between the two tbh.

The argument was that Ajeel was frozen and broke out of it Iirc.
We can safely say he broke the ice that reached him, but it was not frozen by it.

Ajeel is encased in ice here

Spoiler

 

[Indira]

Ajeel is encased in ice here

Spoiler

It seems most of the ice encased the golem, as there are some of portion of Ajeel's outer hair that isn't encased with the ice if I'm nitpicking. but you made a fair point on that one where we see the panel full on hand. I don't think he's fully encased since the tip point of his hair isn't connected with the ice just most of his body. However, I can see where you're coming from.