Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[PeanutButterJelly]

Brandish decreased the size of Lucy's house because she realized she was Layla's daughter and got angry, she wasn't going to kill Lucy without telling her first why exactly she hated Layla, we saw that in Chapter 469 where the two were in the guild's hospital...
Dimaria toying with her victims is actually pretty appropriately creepy and sadistic for a villain, think about it, anyone who can stop time would want to fool around a little..
Ultear didn't help Kagura because Dimaria didn't take Kagura to the Gaol of Time like she did Wendy and Sherria, if she had done that then the whole battlefield would have been frozen in time, Wahl included
There is no point in Bradman using Macro to kill Levy, his opponent is Gajeel, Gajeel was the only one Bradman was taking seriously between the two..7
Silver didn't kill Natsu because he was a good guy all along

1) She didn't want to tell Lucy what happened.
She finnaly decided to tell her after she saved her life,was alone with her and lost the magic-sealing cuffs.
2) Your Kagura point is flawed.DiMaria stops time when she's fighting someone.She freezes the area around her,not just one person(as when she shredded Kagura's clothes)
3) Brandmann stated he can use all of the 9DG powers and didn't use macro,because of plot.
I suggest you go reread the chapters again.

 

[Shoutmon]

What, do you think in his human form his flesh is made of diamond? oh please.......

He's fully paralyzed, he cannot dodge anything, he's there, exposed to take whatever comes at him. Dimaria is a Spriggan. She can pretty much kill any human being, even if he's God tier. Unless you prove in his human form he can tank a sword aimed at his throat, or a laser piercing his heart.

The thing with Acno is that he is so fast people cannot fight on equal terms with him. Just stop time and tell me why you think his durability is such that Dimaria cannot do any of the things I mentioned above.

Now, if he's in dragon mode when she stops time, she has plenty of time to run, because then, yeah, she pretty much NEEDS to run as fast as possible. Unless she's got haxy brandish by her side. She stops time, the other one shrinks him and one of them steps on him.

So, yeah, that's NLF for you. To prevent such falacies.

Actually, like Axiomus said, Wendy's barrier and Chelia's skin can witstand Dimaria 's lasers, so Acnologia should be perfectly fine, as his durability is much greater even in human form.

Hax is one of those things where you have to have a defense against it in order to not be caught. Think about it, Dimaria's Age Seal targets time itself, not the opponent, so saying that her time stop doesn't work on beings more powerful then her would be implying that said beings transcend time itself, and most of the time that's not the case.

 

[Char]

Actually, like Axiomus said, Wendy's barrier and Chelia's skin can witstand Dimaria 's lasers, so Acnologia should be perfectly fine, as his durability is much greater even in human form.

Hax is one of those things where you have to have a defense against it in order to not be caught. Think about it, Dimaria's Age Seal targets time itself, not the opponent, so saying that her time stop doesn't work on beings more powerful then her would be implying that said beings transcend time itself, and most of the time that's not the case.

First of all, Wendy never deflected a laser, she actually took one on her leg. She deflected another spell using her defense magic. As for Chelia, she swatted it so she could obviously deflect it. Had she been paralyzed, she'd have been pierced.

Similar to Jupiter vs Ajeel, he could deflect it but when it hit, he got severely injured.

In that hypothetical case, Acnologia would be completely paralyzed, he couldn't swat anything, defend from anything in any way. So your argument doesn't stand.

By your last statement you're justifying that Age Seal would work on Acnologia and therefore you'd be implying she's the most powerful being in the manga. If you believe it to be right I guess it's fine, it could be after all.

I want to believe if Dimaria and Acnologia were to fight, the latter would win, but of course there can be those who think othewise.

 

[Brandish μ]

Acnologia the human just emerged from Irene's attack without a scratch. His body is so tough he can rip through God Serena (physical strength). DiMaria's full powered attack is not enough to defeat Sherria while Wendy used a barrier. Acnologia's durability is much above that.

At least we know Acnologia in dragon form isn't getting hurt. I mean Igneel's roar didn't do anything really, except push Acnologia back some. And Igneel's roar is far beyond the damage output DiMaria could ever hope to achieve.

 

[Shoutmon]

First of all, Wendy never deflected a laser, she actually took one on her leg. She deflected another spell using her defense magic. As for Chelia, she swatted it so she could obviously deflect it. Had she been paralyzed, she'd have been pierced.

Similar to Jupiter vs Ajeel, he could deflect it but when it hit, he got severely injured.

In that hypothetical case, Acnologia would be completely paralyzed, he couldn't swat anything, defend from anything in any way. So your argument doesn't stand.

By your last statement you're justifying that Age Seal would work on Acnologia and therefore you'd be implying she's the most powerful being in the manga. If you believe it to be right I guess it's fine, it could be after all.

I want to believe if Dimaria and Acnologia were to fight, the latter would win, but of course there can be those who think othewise.

Well according to Dimaria, she put her full power into that attack

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/476/13

And I would assume an attack with all her power put into it > her lasers, and while the barrier broke, it was still able to stop the attack, now since Acnologia's durability >>>>> that barrier, he should be able to tank those lasers just fine.

Just because someone strong can be caught in someone weaker's hax , doesn't mean that the hax user is stronger, it just means the actual stronger one was caught. The hax user still needs to be able to do something to damage the stronger person in order to kill them.

 

[Demon Hunter]

pretty sure that Igneel was half dead during that time. if we go by some scaling that means 100% fully powered Igneel would defeat Acnologia.

 

[Char]

Well according to Dimaria, she put her full power into that attack

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/476/13

And I would assume an attack with all her power put into it > her lasers, and while the barrier broke, it was still able to stop the attack, now since Acnologia's durability >>>>> that barrier, he should be able to tank those lasers just fine.

Just because someone strong can be caught in someone weaker's hax , doesn't mean that the hax user is stronger, it just means the actual stronger one was caught. The hax user still needs to be able to do something to damage the stronger person in order to kill them.

You seem to be taking into account just feats and not the whole picture.

Lasers may be less powerful than her full-powered attack, but they're more concentrated. They can penetrate through flesh and internal organs. I don't see a reason why they couldn't pierce Acnologia's human form.

By that same token, I don't see any way why you couldn't just cut through him (if he's unable to defend himself). Again, what is he, made of diamond?

 

[Woodenstool]

pretty sure that Igneel was half dead during that time. if we go by some scaling that means 100% fully powered Igneel would defeat Acnologia.

That is true because Igneel was tossing Acnologia like a chew toys. Then flew him into the ground and stood on top of him. Igneel basically claimed to be the King of the dragons.

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Why are you bringing up Ice Trail? Didn't all this happen when Gildarts was still in his prime? The guy has a wooden leg, a wooden arm, and missing organs now... Either way:



He has poof speed in the perspective of fodder. I doubt he can still replicate something like that now since one of his legs are wooden.



Very impressive, but again, it was against fodder who probably don't have good reaction speed feats.



I don't see any dodging. I see lazer beams heading towards Gildarts while he smiles and crashes them in the next panel. However, I did read the whole chapter and there were indeed instances where he doged the laserbeams (which, again, were from fodder).



The prison being larger than a mountain is irrelevant. He only destroyed a small portion of the bottom that isn't anywhere as big as a mountain.



"Casual"? Define casual please. Gildarts's teeth were bared and his veins were poping out of his arm and head.



On what basis can you claim that Gildarts was beating Bluenote? Before his magic got drained they were shown canceling each other out and trading blows. Gildarts didn't one shot Bluenote. Bluenote took multiple strong hits before he was sent flying. If Gildarts had the power to one shot Bluenote then he would have done it from the start. The fact that Gildarts had to get serious to finish off Bluenote while Base Natsu simply used a casual roar should tell you that Tenrou Gildarts isn't as strong as him (or Laxus).

Natsu used a roar, Roar of the fire dragon is the most powerful spell of a dragon slayer.

If you watched the anime, Gildarts was so fast that his hand was under his jaw before we notice. And Gildarts has healed, if you read traveling alone 2. His body is all healed and now he has a metal leg.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Well according to Dimaria, she put her full power into that attack

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/476/13

And I would assume an attack with all her power put into it > her lasers, and while the barrier broke, it was still able to stop the attack, now since Acnologia's durability >>>>> that barrier, he should be able to tank those lasers just fine.

Just because someone strong can be caught in someone weaker's hax , doesn't mean that the hax user is stronger, it just means the actual stronger one was caught. The hax user still needs to be able to do something to damage the stronger person in order to kill them.

Wendy's spell didn't block DiMaria's spell,just weakened it.

 

[Brandish μ]

pretty sure that Igneel was half dead during that time. if we go by some scaling that means 100% fully powered Igneel would defeat Acnologia.

Even in a half dead state, that Igneel had a lot of power. Enough that even a small amount of his power can give Natsu a shot at killing Zeref. So if Zeref is stronger than DiMaria, then that puts into context just how much the difference there is between the firepower Igneel has and the firepower of DiMaria.

 

[Shoutmon]

You seem to be taking into account just feats and not the whole picture.

Lasers may be less powerful than her full-powered attack, but they're more concentrated. They can penetrate through flesh and internal organs. I don't see a reason why they couldn't pierce Acnologia's human form.

By that same token, I don't see any way why you couldn't just cut through him (if he's unable to defend himself). Again, what is he, made of diamond?

While it is true that piercing attacks do more damage, they do have their limits, for example, if you take a handgun and you try to shoot at a tank, it wouldn't penetrate, why? Because the tank is just too durable, It's the same thing here, Dimaria's laser wouldn't penetrate Acnologia's skin because it's just too durable.

Edit: Before you try to use the unable to defend himself argument:

What you're looking at is TOH arc Natsu having a gun shoved in his mouth and then being shot. There was no way for Natsu to defend himself from an attack from inside his mouth, yet he survived and later only complained that it hurt, so if TOH arc Natsu can survive an attack like that without serious injury, I have no doubt that Acnologia, the most powerful character in the verse, could tank Dimaria's lasers while being frozen.

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Wendy's spell didn't block DiMaria's spell,just weakened it.

Hmm, that might be true, but if Wendy's barrier could weaken it, I don't see why Acnologia's durability shouldn't be able to block it completely.

 

[Crimson Ice]

What, do you think in his human form his flesh is made of diamond? oh please.......

He's fully paralyzed, he cannot dodge anything, he's there, exposed to take whatever comes at him. Dimaria is a Spriggan. She can pretty much kill any human being, even if he's God tier. Unless you prove in his human form he can tank a sword aimed at his throat, or a laser piercing his heart.

The thing with Acno is that he is so fast people cannot fight on equal terms with him. Just stop time and tell me why you think his durability is such that Dimaria cannot do any of the things I mentioned above.

Now, if he's in dragon mode when she stops time, she has plenty of time to run, because then, yeah, she pretty much NEEDS to run as fast as possible. Unless she's got haxy brandish by her side. She stops time, the other one shrinks him and one of them steps on him.

So, yeah, that's NLF for you. To prevent such falacies.

And do you think his human form is some sort of glass canon? Oh please....


It doesn't matter if he's fully frozen, IF YOU CAN'T HARM HIM IT DOESN'T MATTER. Acno as a human is a top tier nor has it been it been implied Acno is significantly weaker as a human.


Your whole rant is irrelevant because you're assuming Acno's durability drops massively as a himan, something you need to prove.

 

[Char]

While it is true that piercing attacks do more damage, they do have their limits, for example, if you take a handgun and you try to shoot at a tank, it wouldn't penetrate, why? Because the tank is just too durable, It's the same thing here, Dimaria's laser wouldn't penetrate Acnologia's skin because it's just too durable.

Edit: Before you try to use the argument that Acnologia will be paralyzed and would thus be unable to defend himself:

What you're looking at is TOH arc Natsu having a gun shoved in his mouth and then being shot. There was no way for Natsu to defend himself from an attack from inside his mouth, yet he survived and later only complained that it hurt, so if TOH arc Natsu can survive an attack like that without serious injury, I have no doubt that Acnologia, the most powerful character in the verse, could tank Dimaria's lasers while being frozen.

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Hmm, that might be true, but if Wendy's barrier could weaken it, I don't see why Acnologia's durability shouldn't be able to block it completely.

While I do understand your point and I agree that your example proves what you mean, I still think Dimaria should have something in her arsenal that could actually 'cut through' Acnologia's skin. In the event she couldn't because his skin is just too durable (more than her steel massive sword combined with her vast MP and her best swordsmanship skills trying to cut off his neck), then he might have plenty of time to think of a plan to kill him that doesn't involve going through his skin. For example, creating a cloud of poison around him, deactivating age seal and making him inhale it.

Still, don't believe that Dimaria could beat Acnologia. But because I think timestop wouldn't work on him, not that Dimaria would be uncapable of piercing through his flesh.

I mean, you can certainly be durable but I just can't assume he is untouchable. We're used to "tekken" or "haki" in one piece and its extreme durability, like your flesh literally becomes as hard as or harder than steel, but FT hasn't shown any similar defensive trick like that so I assume flesh is flesh, muscle is muscle, and organs are organs; and they have its limitations even if you're the most powerful person in the manga.

But hey, nobody's going to die because we differ.

PS: Question: if we had Dimaria and Brandish together, and Dimaria could stop time and Brandish shrink him, do you think he could be stepped on and die, or he'd still be a small little durable diamond just small as sh*t? XD

 

[Axiomus]

Dimaria's beams were reflected by a wave of Chelia's hands. I don't rate that attack above Wahl's demo-laser, which is tankable by Laxus-tier characters. Dimaria's beams were only successful in piercing Carla (who is weaker than Pantherlily) and Wendy (who is weaker than Bluenote). Neither of these characters have top tier durability.

Acnologia probably is weaker as a human as when compared to a human (ample evidence for his dragon form being his dragon force). He won't have access to his dragon scales, intercontinental flight, or jaws and claws. However, this is different from saying Acnologia in his human form is weak. At the very least Acnologia would be above Igneel-powered Natsu. Not necessarily invincible, just the most powerful person around the block.

 

[Shoutmon]

While I do understand your point and I agree that your example proves what you mean, I still think Dimaria should have something in her arsenal that could actually 'cut through' Acnologia's skin. In the event she couldn't because his skin is just too durable (more than steel combined with her vast MP and her best swordsmanship skills trying to cut off his neck), then he might have plenty of time to think of a plan to kill him that doesn't involve going through his skin. For example, creating a cloud of poison around him, deactivating age seal and make him inhale it.

Hmm, I'm not sure how that would work, i'd assume he'd just somehow end up unnaffected by it or something, or else they would've tried it already.

PS: Question: if we had Dimaria and Brandish together, and Dimaria could stop time and Brandish shrink him, do you think he could be stepped on and die, or he'd still be a small little durable diamond just small as sh*t? XD

I assume it would be like stepping on a very durable lego XD

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Natsu used a roar, Roar of the fire dragon is the most powerful spell of a dragon slayer.

No, it's not. Secret arts crap on roars. Either way, Natsu was only in his base form.

If you watched the anime, Gildarts was so fast that his hand was under his jaw before we notice. And Gildarts has healed, if you read traveling alone 2. His body is all healed and now he has a metal leg.

The FT anime always tends to exaggerate stuff. Look at how stupidly OP they made Bora:

Spoiler: Bora's city block level attack

Gildarts lost some limbs and some organs. Unless he regains those body parts in some magical way, he can NEVER be considered truly healed. The metal leg is definitely better than the wooden leg, but I still doubt that it's as useful as his normal full functioning leg that he used to have.

 

[Char]

I assume it would be like stepping on a very durable lego XD

Chibi Acnologia would basically be a lego piece made up of Nokia atoms.

 

[rafter254]

pretty sure that Igneel was half dead during that time. if we go by some scaling that means 100% fully powered Igneel would defeat Acnologia.

I disagree. Although igneel was sealed I think he was fighting acnologia at full power but only had enough for one fight. I say this because the reason that the dragons were sealed inside the dragonslayers for 400 years is because of the threat of acnologia. If igneel was strong enough then he would have killed acnologia 400 years ago. I think the reason the dragons showed up is because acnologia was about to kill everybody present there and igneel and the dragons fought to make acnologia go away.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

A bullet has complete differente properties than a laser.The laser eould easily penetrate a tank.

You also have to consider that Chelia was only able to deflect her beam because she was unaffected by DiMaria's time spell.

 

[Woodenstool]

I disagree. Although igneel was sealed I think he was fighting acnologia at full power but only had enough for one fight. I say this because the reason that the dragons were sealed inside the dragonslayers for 400 years is because of the threat of acnologia. If igneel was strong enough then he would have killed acnologia 400 years ago. I think the reason the dragons showed up is because acnologia was about to kill everybody present there and igneel and the dragons fought to make acnologia go away.

Acnologia freaking cheated, he has the power to extract souls. Not much effort there.

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No, it's not. Secret arts crap on roars. Either way, Natsu was only in his base form.



The FT anime always tends to exaggerate stuff. Look at how stupidly OP they made Bora:

Spoiler: Bora's city block level attack

Gildarts lost some limbs and some organs. Unless he regains those body parts in some magical way, he can NEVER be considered truly healed. The metal leg is definitely better than the wooden leg, but I still doubt that it's as useful as his normal full functioning leg that he used to have.

Gildarts body is fully healed so I don't get it?