Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Char]

Gildarts used magic imbued punches against Bluenote in CQC in much the same way Laxus using Lightning magic in his punches. Empyrean is like Laxus using Red Lightning.

Right, sometimes it's hard to discern between bare punches and magic imbued punches, Glidartz for example.

I understand what you're saying here and I agree with that analogy. But it's not the same as comparing dragon slayer magics of the same element. When you compare Natsu's Fire DS and Serena's Purgatory, it's like comparing 2 sea waves.

Hmmm but they seem to have the ability to manipulate its shape, size, AoE and power, so it doesn't necessarily have to be like comparing 2 sea waves right? I mean, maybe Natsu is capable of making one thread of fire with enough power that its going to pierce anything. That's all speculation though.

Sorry, I don't understand. Fire magic is something I doubt follows the rules of physics as we know, because Hiro might not know, and Earthland doesn't have to be Earth. The only thing I can really gleam from the manga is that Natsu's spells present in a certain way (size/shape/temperature) and cause a certain effect (damage/destruction etc).

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear, mainly due to my English not being native.
Let me begin by addressing your Earthland argument. It's true. Earthland doesn't have to be Earth. As a matter of fact, calculations claim it is 75x larger than our earth (which is utterly inconceivable because no life form other than maybe some bacteria and so on can live on such massive gravity forces, which would be of around 20G). Also, the size of Fiore has been said to be roughly 13.000.000 km^2 which is roughly the area of the U.S. + Canada (quite inconceivable if we take into account it was said to be a densely populated country, and its got only 17 million inhabitants. It's like 1,3 people per km^2, which is around the population density of Antarctica hahaha).
In any case, in this thread we're analysing everything by our known physic rules. I mean, it wouldn't make sense not to, since if Earthland is actually 20G, Natsu's weight would be over 1200 kg, and then you'd have to scale anything just 20x at least. I mean, whenever we analyse and reason out anything regarding Fairy Tail, we do so thinking that they live under similar conditions to us: 1G, human beings without magic = human beings in our Earth, and so on.
Fire, in nature, is but a chemical reaction in which mass is oxidated at such a fast pace that the reaction emits light and heat because of an energy exchange which is very fast. In nature, for example, a fire in a forest... well, the fire actually just "burns". It does not create explosions, its shape is always continuous, etc. You need some kind of gas or a compression that puts a lot of pressure in order to obtain an explosion out of fire (for example, a gasoline tank explodes because it cannot expand fast enough and a lot of pressure is built in a very short period of time). Or you need a very inflammable gas in order to get high temperature fire.

So, how does magic fire work? At what temperature does it burn? What is the oxidizing agent and the fuel substance that generates and keeps that fire alive?

Can Natsu or God Serena manipulate that oxidizing agent and the fuel substance? Probably they can, since it's probably their raw magic power. So they can probably manipulate their fire to take the shape they want, or to burn at higher or lower temperatures, or to expand at different AoEs and to produce different levels of destruction.

So, for me, the fact that Natsu's attacks are more impressive visually or cover larger AoE does not necessarily mean they're stronger than God Serena's. It may very well be, in fact, I believe they are, but what I mean is that it's not proper justification.

 

[Brandish μ]

You try punching through steel beams with your bare hands and let us know how it goes lol. If a few punches boosted by some magic is enough to make a person top-tier spriggan durability than I'd hate to see the rest.

Lol I'd break steel with ease

It's enough of a feat to make Wahl's among the best feats in the Spriggans...
- God Serena came out of a battle with the GoI without damage until Hyberion hurt him. So obviously he's in the top tier.
- Wahl's I explained. A punch from Laxus without lightning should be equivalent to Wolfheims punch
- DiMaria had no damage from DF Wendy
- Ajeel was slashed (who wouldn't be) and didn't get much damage from Jupiter
- Jacob had little damage after a sort-of fight with NaLu and a Titan punch
- Bradman/Neinhart didn't get any (one has a hax, the other was taken out in one go)

^durability is probably in that order, where there really isn't much of a difference between God Serena and Jacob (not sure on Bradman or Neinhart).

 

[Ebony Maw]

Completely agree. In GMG, Jura was said to be a clear cut underneath the GOI no matter what he did (over 7 years) who were shown to be a clear cut below WS#1 God Serena. Erza & Mira were a clear cut or two below Jura. To imagine everyone in FT suddenly advancing past these multiple gaps in just one year to put up a fight against the people equal to ishgar's strongest is pretty low-quality writing imo lol. The only solution I can think of is

God Serena >>>> Jacob/Ajeel/other non-laxus/jellal opponents.

My personal opinion is that the GoI are just below low Spriggan tier and that God Serena is a freak of nature like Jellal and Laxus. It would also make sense as to why August was actually impressed by Hyberion's Vampire Magic, August doesn't strike me as the type to give out praise to weak people. This is the reason I want to see the GoI again, the massive increase in power just wouldn't make sense, even for FT.

 

[Rain Cloud]

My personal opinion is that the GoI are just below low Spriggan tier and that God Serena is a freak of nature like Jellal and Laxus. It would also make sense as to why August was actually impressed by Hyberion's Vampire Magic, August doesn't strike me as the type to give out praise to weak people. This is the reason I want to see the GoI again, the massive increase in power just wouldn't make sense, even for FT.

I feel like God Serena might have a hax primary power (the one he used before his DS magic, looked like lightning?)

Jacob would be fearsome af if they didn't put happy's face between his hands, or have lucy negate his magic.
Dimaria would be super unbeatable if Ultear didn't nullify her age seal.
So maybe power-wise God Serena is . . . hopefully not sky-high that much stronger or else yeah he's just a freak of nature haha

So yeah, I bet after Spriggan Tier, it's GOI tier, at which Jura, Mirajane Alegria, Nakagami Erza etc. near the bottom/middle-ish, with people Hyberion at the top. Would explain the amount of power diff between, say Ajeel and Erza. (Erza could somewhat keep up when dealing with Ajeel's hax, but still was overwhelmed).

But whatever, I just hope Warrod hears Zera and drags the GoI to the guild to redeem themselves lol

 

[Ebony Maw]

I feel like God Serena might have a hax primary power (the one he used before his DS magic, looked like lightning?)

Jacob would be fearsome af if they didn't put happy's face between his hands, or have lucy negate his magic.
Dimaria would be super unbeatable if Ultear didn't nullify her age seal.
So maybe power-wise God Serena is . . . hopefully not sky-high that much stronger or else yeah he's just a freak of nature haha

So yeah, I bet after Spriggan Tier, it's GOI tier, at which Jura, Mirajane Alegria, Nakagami Erza etc. near the bottom/middle-ish, with people Hyberion at the top. Would explain the amount of power diff between, say Ajeel and Erza. (Erza could somewhat keep up when dealing with Ajeel's hax, but still was overwhelmed).

But whatever, I just hope Warrod hears Zera and drags the GoI to the guild to redeem themselves lol

I agree with you tiers wise, though I think God Serena just has Dragon Slayer Magic + an element like Laxus. He'd be a bit too powerful if he had hax too lol. I'm actually hoping that the GoI get back to the guild later, if they get back too soon I can see Hiro trolling and having Zeref no-diff them.

 

[sharkai]

Erza tried to blow away the sand in Sandworld but it only helped for a second, there was too much sand. And she is using Wind God Armour.

There isn't anything Erza can do, she simply lacks the AoE to stop something like Sandworld which is Magnolia plus. This doesn't downgrade Erza, it just means that she can't deal with it, and tbh not many can.

But it does. Wind armor should be around black wing armor power.
Its not even near erza strongest attack

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Lol
Lexus had cancer
Jellal Mp was around Jura mp which was around erza mp at the start of the series.

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People please explain
How is Ezra attacking power below Serena
Serena needed couple of ds moves to finish off likes of Jura
Ezra needed couple of moves plus Jupiter to finish of ajeel.

Ezra speed was above ajeel
her durability is up there too

Her endurance makes people laugh at laxus endurance
How is wahl taking out erza with same moves that didn't out laxus with cancer

I don't understand why are people downplaying Ezra without any reason

 

[Rain Cloud]

But it does. Wind armor should be around black wing armor power.
Its not even near erza strongest attack

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Lol
Lexus had cancer
Jellal Mp was around Jura mp which was around erza mp at the start of the series.

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People please explain
How is Ezra attacking power below Serena
Serena needed couple of ds moves to finish off likes of Jura
Ezra needed couple of moves plus Jupiter to finish of ajeel.

Ezra speed was above ajeel
her durability is up there too

Her endurance makes people laugh at laxus endurance
How is wahl taking out erza with same moves that didn't out laxus with cancer

I don't understand why are people downplaying Ezra without any reason

Mmm, not sure where the Laxus vs. Wahl post is, but to respond to your concerns . . .

Jellal's MP (Beginning of Series) was likely far greater than Jura's (and by default Erza's). Why? When Jura explained that he was the lowest ranked WS, and that there was a "heaven's and earth's difference" between himself and Makarov, Jellal was included as being shown near "Makarov's level" in that kind of a sense. In fact, aside from their stalemate at GMG, which was cut short, Jellal has always been portrayed to be higher than Jura, unfortunately. And if their GMG fight continued, the victor would likely have been Jellal, maybe high diff at best, partly due to Jura's incompatibility with Jellal's magic.

God Serena was a cut above the GOI. The GOI were a cut above GMG Jura (no matter what he did for 7 years), and GMG Erza/Mira were a cut below that. If you're telling me that after a single year, Erza has the same attack power as the strongest mage of Ishgar, that's . . . unrealistic, even by Fairy Tail standards. Not saying she is not strong. She has a stronger attack than probably 90% of all FT characters, but God Serena? no way.

Her endurance is good, yes. Wahl, on the other hand, is the worst match-up for Erza. Hiro specifically states early on (I know, I'm stuck reading the manga over again) that Erza's magic works really well for CQC. Wahl is a long distance fighter. He has an advantage, on top of being on Spriggan level, which Erza is not at (Again this is because for her to jump three gaps is just unrealistic, the fact that she jumped two was already good/pushing it). And all of this on top of Wahl's CQC. I can't imagine Erza beating Wahl in a way that doesn't feel non-bs-y, I am sorry.

The fact that Laxus beat Wahl the way he did was pretty bs-y too if that helps.

 

[Cosmicstar]

People are overrating the GOI. They haven't shown much that would indicate that they were the strongest in the continent. Also I would take what OOba said with a grain of salt as she didn't have that much information on any of the contestants in the GMG to really grudge their strength.

Can someone provide a feat from Jura or the other GOI that is more impressive than Nakagami, Alchemy or Territory Magic? People can't because the GOI are nothing more than a load of Hype. Someone like Kagura would Stomp Warrod, Hyperion and Wolfhiem.

Simply comparing Feats not hype bull crap:

1. Acnologia
2. Irene
3. August
4. Lucy w/CSK summoning
5. Natsu with Igneel Flames(Tied with Lucy w/CSK)
6. Jellal
7. Laxus
8. Dimira
9. Ajeel
10. Jacob
11. Brandish
12. Arlock
13. Erza
14. DeS Gray
15. Bradman
16. Bluenote
17. Mirajane/Jura/Marin
18. DF Wendy/TO Chelia/Lucy w. Stardresses
19. Mary
20. Gajeel
21. Juvia
22. Hyperbion
23. Warrod
24.Wolfhiem


Even then this list isn't really accurate by any means. Why? Because their are way to many unknown variables. Like:

1. Why didn't Jura use Roaring Mount Fuji during this fight? Yes Serena might have ate it but it was one of his best nukes. Also Serena wouldn't have been able to eat all of it as it would have been to big. Look at Natsu vs August Nuke.

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Like why didn't his use his Rock Mountain to protect himself against Serena's Fire attack? Water attack? Wind Attack? Also before someone say they were to powerful I doubt it as none of them was able to knock Jura/Warrod/Wolfhiem/Hyberion unconscious.

Also before people say Serena would have just ate the attack or use Caverane attack that still doesn't explain anything. Jura should have been able to make the earth Solid again use his Earth Magic. So by all means Jura should have been able to stand his ground against Serena. Not win but put up a much better fight against him.

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I mean by feats Jura drastically outclasses the other 3 GOI. Hype shouldn't be taken seriously as people only want to use it to fit their needs. What I mean by that is all the Spriggan were hyped to be on the same level outside of August and Serena but the same people who say since Ooba stated the other 3 GOI to be stronger than Jura then it must be true are the same people who don't believe in the hype of all the Spriggan being on the same level.

2. Can Gemini transformed into Lucy summon the CSK? This is one of the biggest questioned that need to be answered. I personally see no evidence pointing to whys they shouldn't be. I mean during the OS when Gemini transformed into Lucy they were able to gain another set of Lucy's Zodiac keys and summoned Sagittarius. Not to mention they flawlessly copied Lucy. SO as far as the requirements are concerned they would be meet.

Have enough Magical power: +
Have a Gold Key to break: +
Have a bond between summoner and Spirit: +

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It is like if Gemini was to copy Erza they would gain an exact replica of her armors although her armors are 1 of a kind. They wouldn't be splitting the armors/sharing the armors. Gemini not only copies an persons physical appearance but also any material things they own such as clothes and weapons/tools.

So do we include that in Lucy's repertoire as a daily thing with Gemini? I mean we can include CSK summoning either way given Lucy still can do it herself but the question arises with Gemini.

3. Who can and Can't Gemini Copy?

Yes we know that if a mages power exceeds Lucy's than they can't copy them but who counts as those mages? There has never been a clear cut answer.


4. Can Natsu add Lightning to his Flame King Mode to make it more powerful? How powerful is his Flame dragon King Dragon Force?

5. How powerful is Alterais? Sema? Abyss break? Currently? All we have seen is Grand Chariot which is the weakest of this 3 spells and it was ableto turn the day sky to night. Not to mention how much of Mystagon Magic does Jellal know? What about his darkness Magic he had during the TOH? His Telekinesis? What about his Fire, Wind, Earth and Water magic his knows?

6. We didn't Erza use her Flame empress, Lightning Empress, Morning star(In combat), Lance armor, or The armor she used in Avatar against Azir? All would have been more practical armors then the one she used in battle against Azir. Why did she wait until the end of the battle to use Nakagami? Why didn't she use her rosemary/Hot pants/ Crimson sword? That sword is like the sword of the Gods. Why didn't she use multiple weapons at once against Azir? We know she can do it as she was able to manipulate multiple weapons as a kid and during the FF arc to destroy Laxus Lacrima.


The list can go on and on and on forever.

 

[Brandish μ]

But it does. Wind armor should be around black wing armor power.
Its not even near erza strongest attack

Wind God Armour I'd place above Black Wing. It should be top tier, bar Nakagami.

Then what attack can Erza use? Do you know if she has the power to slash away Sandworld? The fact is Ajeel can generate a storm that big, and maintain it quite easily. The only chance Erza has is to defeat Ajeel in Sandworld, rather than attempt the impossible and blow away Sandworld.

Lol
Lexus had cancer
Jellal Mp was around Jura mp which was around erza mp at the start of the series.

Jellal's MP was definitely above Jura's at BoS. Jura was the 10th WS, and Erza was basically his level.

By the GMG I'd be willing to say Jura was now in Jellal's league MP wise.

 

[Takuan]

@Cosmicstar
I have a question for you. I didn't read your whole post thus i wont take it point by point. But from what i've seen, you disdain hype as an argument to rate characters.

Here's my question. Before August's first appearance (the protection of Ajeel from Laxus' nuke), we didn't see anything from him. We had only hype.

Based on what you're saying, hhype shouldn't be taken into consideration to rate characters.
Before seeing what August is capable of, what do you think of this 1v1:

Romeo VS August
?

Saying Romeo wins clearly would make no sense right? But from your criteria if we ignore hype, Romeo wins.

Hype exists for a reason in the manga and eventhough it can sometimes be misleading, it shouldn't be ignored either.

 

[Hermit]

4. Lucy w/CSK summoning
5. Natsu with Igneel Flames(Tied with Lucy w/CSK)

I agree with everything else but why are these two in top 5? Natsu was using Igneel's Flames on someone who WANTED TO DIE, so I honestly think they are being grossly overrated here, the best they did was make Invel raise his eyebrows in surprise..
Also Lucy, no offense, I love this girl to death but there is no way she is above Jellal and Laxus, CSK summoning or not, why do you think Mashima never let her fight any Spriggan 12 member one on one? She's obviously not on that level..
The CSK is on Mard Geers' level, who is nowhere near Spriggan 12 level..that already gives you an inkling of where Lucy belongs in the power hierarchy

12. Arlock

Lol

21. Juvia
22. Hyperbion
23. Warrod
24.Wolfhiem

Bruh, really? Juvia above a Blood Bender?
EDIT: I don't get how you have Mary in that list, when it was easily shown that her Disease Magic could be cancelled out by Wendy, who's not even in the list herself:/

 

[Ebony Maw]

Bruh, really? Juvia above a Blood Bender?

Also the Number 3 wizard saint below Number 4? Seems legit.

Anyway, hype is important for characters who don't have feats (like the GoI) because it gives us an idea of what they should be like, with the GoI I'd say that's below Natsu (1 year time skip did this? sigh) but above (or on par with) Erza.

 

[Takuan]

I agree with everything else but why are these two in top 5? Natsu was using Igneel's Flames on someone who WANTED TO DIE, so I honestly think they are being grossly overrated here, the best they did was make Invel raise his eyebrows in surprise..
Also Lucy, no offense, I love this girl to death but there is no way she is above Jellal and Laxus, CSK summoning or not, why do you think Mashima never let her fight any Spriggan 12 member one on one? She's obviously not on that level..
The CSK is on Mard Geers' level, who is nowhere near Spriggan 12 level..that already gives you an inkling of where Lucy belongs in the power hierarchy

Lol

Bruh, really? Juvia above a Blood Bender?

I completely agree with you. These points are what i disagree the most from this list.

I could also add that imo Gajeel is a bit too low (and im not even rating him high at all, he didn't show a lot aggainst Bradman imo) at least he should be above Mary... Mary has a hax magic alright but i dont think that's overpowered, and she got owned by ONE Lucy Punch.
Ajeel is probably a bit too high as well, however i do agree that he's imo underrated. Better than Brandish though? I don't think.

 

[Char]

I agree with you guys. Hype and portrayal is as important as feats for characters who don't actually have feats.

So what if it was Ooba who claimed the 4 GoI were many tiers above Jura? Why should we discredit her? Hey, she's old (and old is generally wise in this manga) + she's a guild master (so she's got these periodical meetings in Clover, and she is aware of these matters).

Sometimes, there are sources which LOOK more reliable than others (but we're no-one to judge them). I'll give you an example: Makarov saying that GMG Jura might be on par with Tenrou Glidartz. IMHO, Tenrou Glidartz is a tier above GMG Jura but still, if Makarov says so I'll have to refrain from guessing. I still could tell you: "yeah but Makarov doesn't really know the extent/potential of Glidartz and Jura so blablabla". Let's assume he says so because he knows so.

Similarly, if Ooba says GoI >>>> Jura, let's believe her, shall we?

Also, throughout this whole manga, we've heard things like Warrod saying "I'm not quite the fighter/many youngsters would beat me" blah blah, but then what did we get? Other arguments that refuted his argument (i.e. Erza saying he was just being humble, Mavis saying the GoI are Ishgar's strongest force even when she's the first one to know the potential of all characters, because she's the best strategist, and she knew Laxus would likely beat Jura even when Makarov didn't trust so) and, more importantly, feats. So, if Warrod's got enough magic power to create a 2000 km tree, with an extremely fast creation rate, we can extrapolate that feat to creating very fast and thick trees in what would be attacks for a battle. So, he can probably create a tree which literally knocks you down because we've seen him do so (just that tree was not a means for knocking anyone down, just transport).

But then we're also aware there are rankings in terms of power within the Wizard Saints. More accurately, we know that Jura being the 10 back in O6 was as far from Makarov as the earth is from the sky. Back in O6 Jura was probably O6 Erza level or slightly superior.

What can we infer from this? that among the WS there are rankings. And that the preceding one is exponentially more powerful than the consecutive one.

This has been proved so far:

God Serena (he defeated the 4 consecutive WS) >>>> Hyberion (managed to "do" more to GS than the other 2 GoI+Jura) >> Wolfheim (featless, we only know his punch didn't hurt God Serena much, if at all, so he must be below Hyberion) > Warrod (featless, seemingly only capable of distracting GS for a few secs) > Jura (featless in Alvarez, seemingly only capable of distracting GS for a few secs) > Makarov (it took 8 years for Jura to surpass him and I'd still class them equals)


So, yeah, hype/portrayal/feats are equally important, when applied properly.

 

[Rain Cloud]

People are overrating the GOI. They haven't shown much that would indicate that they were the strongest in the continent. Also I would take what OOba said with a grain of salt as she didn't have that much information on any of the contestants in the GMG to really grudge their strength.

Can someone provide a feat from Jura or the other GOI that is more impressive than Nakagami, Alchemy or Territory Magic? People can't because the GOI are nothing more than a load of Hype. Someone like Kagura would Stomp Warrod, Hyperion and Wolfhiem.

Simply comparing Feats not hype bull crap:

1. Acnologia
2. Irene
3. August
4. Lucy w/CSK summoning
5. Natsu with Igneel Flames(Tied with Lucy w/CSK)
6. Jellal
7. Laxus
8. Dimira
9. Ajeel
10. Jacob
11. Brandish
12. Arlock
13. Erza
14. DeS Gray
15. Bradman
16. Bluenote
17. Mirajane/Jura/Marin
18. DF Wendy/TO Chelia/Lucy w. Stardresses
19. Mary
20. Gajeel
21. Juvia
22. Hyperbion
23. Warrod
24.Wolfhiem

I thought we were going to ignore this list, but guess not.

This is like literally the 5th time I've had to say this. Babasama flat out said that no matter what Jura did for 7 years, he could not surpass those 4 above him. This is no "Erza: The elemental 4 are equal to Gildarts, Mystogan, Laxus, Mirajane, and me" BS. This is literally words backed up by actions.

4. Lucy w/ CSK summoning could not even defeat BASE mard Geer, yet he's ranked this high?
12. Arlock? All he did was summon a featless "God" (Beast) of war that got one-shotted with no background.
13. Erza
14. DeS Gray
16. Bluenote
17. Mirajane/Jura/Marin
18. foddery etc.
19. MARY?! You're ranking MARY above the Gods of Ishgar? LMFAO.
21. Juvia lmao
22. Actual strong people

Also good to see that WS#4 is above WS#3. Man, Mary for WS 1, strongest of Ishgar. As hated and flawed as hype is in FT, things don't make much sense if you completely eliminate it, you see? I'm pretty sure everyone below Mary has high enough magic to negate her magic (like how I'm sure irene/august does the same with Dimaria's age seal/Jacob's Transport).

Anyway here's my ranking. It's all IMO.

God Tier
1. Ankhseram (can kill at will as portrayed; speculation so you can cut it if you want)
2. Acnologia (strongest = highest offense)/Zeref (immortal = highest defense)
Maybe Mavis but we won't include her featless self here
*End of God Tier*

Spriggan Tier
4.. August (strongest spriggan)
5. Irene (strongest FEMALE spriggan)
6. God Serena
7. Natsu with Igneel's flames (assuming Serena can eat these flames, as they are Dragon fire flames)
8. Dimaria (Age seal carries her to this point)
9.. Gildarts (hype version)
10. Etherious Mard Geer/Hades with Devil's Heart (yeah, currently irrelevant idgaf)
12. Laxus Dreyar/Jellal (Tied, idc what anyone says)
14. DF Natsu (perhaps tied or well above with #12, but we haven't seen it yet, so we'll put him here for now)
15. Bradman
16. "DF" Gajeel (near his buddy DF natsu, but not above Bradman who he mostly but not entirely solo'd)
17. Wahl Icht (low durability)
18. Brandish Mu (featless)
19. Sherria [Third Origin] vs. Gods only
19.5. Dimaria God Soul only (rival to brandish, so like an erza-mira relationship powerwise, perhaps)
20. Ajeel
21. Jacob
22. Neinhart (17-19 could be rearranged, idc about these foddery guys, Jacob speculatively could be much higher)
*End of Spriggan Tier*

God of Ishgar Tier (things get messy)
23. Hyberion
24. Base Mard Geer
25. Precht with Demon's eye (21/22 are kind of overrated, so feel free to drop them if you want)
26. Wolfheim (guessing)
27. Warrod Sequen (guessing)
28. Jura Neekis
29. Mirajane Alegria or Seilah/Erza Nakagami
31. Ice Devil Slayer Gray (lacking feats at the moment)
*End of GoI Tier*

#32-300 everyone else in FT

And even then this list is no where near perfect.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu with Igneel's magical power should be just below human Acnologia. August and Irene might be above Zeref in terms of fighting ability, but Zeref's immortality makes up the difference. I place the Spirit King slightly higher than base Mard Geer, and pretty much on the same level as Etherious Mard Geer. Both of them I place below any of the Spriggan 12. The Spirit King had impressive AoE with his slashes, but the war god Ikusa-Tsunagi had even larger slashes and it's commonly accepted that the Spriggans outclass him.

Dragon King
Acnologia (Dragon Force)
Igneel

Parent Dragon
Human Acnologia
Zeref
Igneel-powered Natsu
August
Irene

Average Spriggan
Laxus
Wahl
God Serena
Bradman
Dimaria
Brandish
Ajeel
Jacob
Neinhart
Larcade
Natsu
Gajeel (dragon force)
Chelia (3rd origin)

Emperors of Ishgar
Celestial Spirit King (by extension, Lucy)
Mard Geer (tied with CSK)
Ikusa-Tsunagi
Erza
Gray
Hades
Hyperion
Wolfheim
Warrod

Wizard Saint
Gildarts
Jura
Bluenote

But it does. Wind armor should be around black wing armor power.
Its not even near erza strongest attack

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Lol
Lexus had cancer
Jellal Mp was around Jura mp which was around erza mp at the start of the series.

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People please explain
How is Ezra attacking power below Serena
Serena needed couple of ds moves to finish off likes of Jura
Ezra needed couple of moves plus Jupiter to finish of ajeel.

Ezra speed was above ajeel
her durability is up there too

Her endurance makes people laugh at laxus endurance
How is wahl taking out erza with same moves that didn't out laxus with cancer

I don't understand why are people downplaying Ezra without any reason

Difference between Erza beating Ajeel and Serena beating the Wizard Saints is that Erza had to use her strongest attack, and defeating Ajeel exhausted her. Plus, you can make the argument that Ajeel might have won the fight altogether if not for Jupiter cannon. When we later see Erza fighting Azuma, Ikaruga, and Kyouka, we see the three of them give her a bit of difficulty. Erza isn't at the level where she could simply oneshot opponents of Azuma's caliber. Serena, on the other hand, arguably is. He managed to dominate the Ishgar Saints + Jura prior to even using his dragon slaying magic. To be honest, I think Serena could have beaten the Saints without resorting to his dragon slaying magic if he didn't take the time to gloat and simply kept attacking. Then even after activating his dragon slaying magic, he only cycled through half his elements.

 

[Char]

I thought we were going to ignore this list, but guess not.

This is like literally the 5th time I've had to say this. Babasama flat out said that no matter what Jura did for 7 years, he could not surpass those 4 above him. This is no "Erza: The elemental 4 are equal to Gildarts, Mystogan, Laxus, Mirajane, and me" BS. This is literally words backed up by actions.

4. Lucy w/ CSK summoning could not even defeat BASE mard Geer, yet he's ranked this high?
12. Arlock? All he did was summon a featless "God" (Beast) of war that got one-shotted with no background.
13. Erza
14. DeS Gray
16. Bluenote
17. Mirajane/Jura/Marin
18. foddery etc.
19. MARY?! You're ranking MARY above the Gods of Ishgar? LMFAO.
21. Juvia lmao
22. Actual strong people

Also good to see that WS#4 is above WS#3. Man, Mary for WS 1, strongest of Ishgar. As hated and flaws as hype is in FT, things don't make much sense if you completely eliminate it, you see? I'm pretty sure everyone below Mary has high enough magic to negate her magic (like how I'm sure irene/august does the same with Dimaria's age seal/Jacob's Transport).

Anyway here's my ranking. It's all IMO.

God Tier
1. Ankhseram (can kill at will as portrayed)
2. Acnologia (strongest)/Zeref (immortal)
Maybe Mavis but we won't include her featless self here
*End of God Tier*

Spriggan Tier
4.. August (strongest spriggan)
5. Irene (strongest FEMALE spriggan)
6. God Serena
7. Natsu with Igneel's flames (assuming Serena can eat these flames, as they are Dragon fire flames)
8. Dimaria (Age seal carries her to this point)
9.. Gildarts (hype version)
10. Etherious Mard Geer/Hades with Devil's Heart (yeah, currently irrelevant idgaf)
12. Laxus Dreyar/Jellal (Tied, idc what anyone says)
14. DF Natsu (perhaps tied or well above with #12, but we haven't seen it yet, so we'll put him here for now)
15. Bradman
16. "DF" Gajeel (near his buddy DF natsu, but not above Bradman who he mostly but not entirely solo'd)
17. Wahl Icht (low durability)
18. Brandish Mu (featless)
19. Sherria [Third Origin] vs. Gods only
19.5. Dimaria God Soul only
20. Ajeel
21. Jacob
22. Neinhart (17-19 could be rearranged, idc about these foddery guys, Jacob speculatively could be much higher)
*End of Spriggan Tier*

God of Ishgar Tier (things get messy)
23. Hyberion
24. Base Mard Geer
25. Precht with Demon's eye (21/22 are kind of overrated, so feel free to drop them if you want)
26. Wolfheim (guessing)
27. Warrod Sequen (guessing)
28. Jura Neekis
29. Mirajane Alegria or Seilah/Erza Nakagami
31. Ice Devil Slayer Gray (lacking feats at the moment)
*End of GoI Tier*

#32-300 everyone else in FT

And even then this list is no where near perfect.

I mostly agree but Etherious Mard Geer should be GMG Laxus tier, not above current Laxus :S

I've always regarded Hades w/ heart as stronger than Mard Geer so I have no problem with you classing him Spriggan tier. Many will claim if he was Spriggan tier Zeref wouldn't have killed him, or many will tell you that w/heart Hades shouldn't be so far from w/o heart Hades, and w/o heart Hades was beaten by injured laxus with low difficulty.

DF Natsu, when he appears, should be on August's level. Mere speculation though, but it'd make sense.

Didn't DF Gajeel kill Bradman on his own? I don't remember but I'd class him above Bradman.

In GoI tier things do get messy. For example I believe Base Mard Geer to be below Makarov/GMG Jura and Etherious Mard Geer to be GMG Jura/Laxus level. So he'd fall on another category, WS tier.

As for Jura, he should be borderline GoI judging that his durability seems to be GoI tier but I'm still reluctant to consider him as such.

Mira and Erza are definetely above Erza, and most likely above Warrod/Wolfheim.

DeS Gray is featless but he's also underrated. He should be in between Jacob and Neinhart I'd say.

 

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Anyone else could also join in.

I challenge all of you to provide feats, and if you do use hype to use it all around not nitpick what you want, 5 characters that you feel should be considered the top 5 in the Fairy Tail universe. Provide a legit argument for those feats presented and as a group people could decide which argument is the best and decide who truly is the top 5 in the Universe. Then after that we will proceed to the next 5 for top 10. Continue until the list is complete.

If you want to take up this challenge then all you have to do is quote this comment and Pick your top 5 and make the argument as to why using evidence and can use hype if you want to.

Rules:

-None of your picks can simply have hype behind them without any panels or feats to back it up.

Ex: Meaning you can't say Wolfhiem is a city buster without any city busting feats to go along with that.

-If you use hype you must use all Hype or no hype.

Ex: You can't say the GOI were hyped to be stronger than Jura and use that but say you aren't going to use the hype that all the Spriggan except for Irene and August are on the same level. Meaning you would have to use both or neither.

-Speculation is fine as long as there is some evidence to support or back you claim up. The evidence has to be relevant to you proposed speculation.


NO Bashing---Be Respectful

If you disagree with someone then you need to provide a counter argument with evidence. You can't just say you disagree. An argument must always be provided if you disagree with someone/something written.

I will say again that you post can't just be a wall of text without any sources like panels, tweets, etc. If you are going to say Hiro said something then the tweet must be presented or it must be left out of your argument.

Also none of that setting limits for characters that don't exist.

Meaning you can't say Brandish Mass magic or Dimira time magic won't work on someone more powerful than them without any evidence to back it up.

 

[reesestl]

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 3, 2016 ---

People please explain
How is Ezra attacking power below Serena
Serena needed couple of ds moves to finish off likes of Jura
Ezra needed couple of moves plus Jupiter to finish of ajeel.

Ezra speed was above ajeel
her durability is up there too

Her endurance makes people laugh at laxus endurance
How is wahl taking out erza with same moves that didn't out laxus with cancer

I don't understand why are people downplaying Ezra without any reason

GS completely overwhelmed GOI. Even then he was just strutting his stuff. Using seven DS magic was overkill and even August asked him to dial it down. At no point in the fight was he in any danger of losing.
Erza was totally overwhelmed by Ajeel. After her requip started working again, she used wind god armor but it was ineffective. The water sword was effective but Ajeel's sandworld left her stunned and helpless. If not for Jupiter no way she could defeat him.
That her requip was incapacitated by Marin shows the weakness of depending on one type of magic. This would never happen to someone like GS, who defeated the GOI without even using his DS magic. He unleashed it in the end, really to show off more than anything else!

 

[Boomburst]

Also none of that setting limits for characters that don't exist.

Meaning you can't say Brandish Mass magic or Dimira time magic won't work on someone more powerful than them without any evidence to back it up.

That's ridiculous, common sense dictates that if the enemy is too powerful then hax won't work on them. Otherwise Brandish could have just shrunk Acnologia to the size of an ant and we wouldn't be fighting a war to begin with.