Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Summer]

I'm not talking who will defeat who , I'm talking about who is stronger here . Csk had amazing durability and a very destructive power and we are talking about tartaros Lucy here .

Also , just becoz someone could stop csk for a few second doesnt mean that they could hit Lucy just like that ,it's not like Lucy doesn't know how to fight on her own and it's not like one single attack will took her down . Lucy despite being a summoner has a impressive durability feats .

 

[LucifeCollins]

I'm not talking who will defeat who , I'm talking about who is stronger here . Csk had amazing durability and a very destructive power and we are talking tartaros Lucy here .

Also , just becoz someone could stop csk for a few second they could hit Lucy just like that ,it's not like Lucy doesn't know how to fight on her own and it's not like one single attack will took her down . Lucy despite being a summoner has a impressive durability feats .

This is Natsu you're talking about. One magic-less fist from him would knock her out no problem. Either way, Natsu I'm 100% sure could take on CSK if Mard didn't have to go Etherious Form to fight him.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Lucy would survive Iron FIst but not Demolition Fist. she has pretty good durability feats.

to be fair, Mard Geer was dodging CSK attacks and stalling so that Lucy runs out of MP. plus, Lucy already had less than half of her MP, similar when Natsu used DF against Mard Geer. CSK was not at his best.

 

[Hermit]

The thing most people are forgetting with CSK and Mard Geer in Tartaros, CSK was running on Lucy's magic, who was spent since by then she had already opened 3 Gates, then used Recompense Summoning. Mard Geer was LITERALLY fighting with one Book in his hand, and yet he didn't seem to be even breaking a sweat, in fact, he also admitted that he only got serious when fighting Natsu and the Twin Dragons, that already means Mard Geer is stronger than the CSK, even if the CSK had full power the best he would do was push Mard Geer to release the book, there's no way he can counter techniques like Rose Prison..
Mard Geer is stronger than the CSK, but CSK is stronger than all of the Nine Demon Gates

 

[Summer]

The thing most people are forgetting with CSK and Mard Geer in Tartaros, CSK was running on Lucy's magic, who was spent since by then she had already opened 3 Gates, then used Recompense Summoning. Mard Geer was LITERALLY fighting with one Book in his hand, and yet he didn't seem to be even breaking a sweat, in fact, he also admitted that he only got serious when fighting Natsu and the Twin Dragons, that already means Mard Geer is stronger than the CSK, even if the CSK had full power the best he would do was push Mard Geer to release the book, there's no way he can counter techniques like Rose Prison..
Mard Geer is stronger than the CSK, but CSK is stronger than all of the Nine Demon Gates

This is absurb , so you think that just becoz mard geer just flying around like a mosquito means like he's stronger ? Base on feats it's proven that csk could DEFEAT mard geer if he cast GB and crash him . That is A FACTS . Mard attack proven that it doesn't even scratch csk .

Mard himself stated that csk only weakness is his summoner that why he keep waiting and waiting until Lucy runs out of mp.... you're forgetting the facts that if one single solid hit gets on mard he will be DEAD

 

[LucifeCollins]

Wow , stop down rating people like she's some kind of fodder , little brat lol .

She's only now coming to the limelight after Tartaros. Natsu FDKM destroyed the War God who showed to be as destructive as the CSK with one punch. One punch. I'm not downrating her, I'm simply stating the facts.

I will admit that saying that just a magic-less fist will knock her out might be a bit of a stretch, but current base Natsu's power could easily knock her out if he gets to her.

 

[Demon Hunter]

I say CSK >>> base Mard Geer(with or without a book). Mard Geer doesn't really have big damage output. his memorable attack is Memento Mori in his Etherious form.

the only thing what I learned from CSK vs Mard Geer is that Mard Geer is faster than CSK by a lot. he clashed with CSK non powered sword and that's it. he dodged his Meteor Blade but he couldn't dodge Galaxia Blade. Mard Geer was helpless when he was getting petrified. if he could have done something then he would which means that Mard Geer with book or without a book wouldn't be able to resist Galaxia Blade and that was CSK who became even weaker at that point. CSK became more sluggish because Lucy' MP was almost depleted completely which means CSK was not at 100% when he was summoned.

I say fully powered CSK > Etherious Mard Geer.

 

[Summer]

But..Lucy has been fodder for half of the series. The most she does is cry and fight some fodder. She's only now coming to the limelight after Tartaros. Natsu FDKM destroyed the War God who showed to be as destructive as the CSK with one punch. One punch. I'm not downrating her, I'm simply stating the facts.

I will admit that saying that just a magic-less fist will knock her out might be a bit of a stretch, but current base Natsu's power could easily knock her out if he gets to her. Calling me a brat? Lol. Educate yourself first.

Well , to me everyone is a fodder if compare to what they are now lol , you're simply just doesn't like Lucy which is why you keep down rating her .

Just becoz someone had the same destructive power it doesn't mean that they had the same durability and natsu used fdkm punch at that time ( if I'm not wrong ) which is using a dragon power .

Nope , natsu couldnt easily gets to her just like that and two couple punch wouldn't take her down . Lucy had survived far worst attack than that . And again I'm not talking who will defeat who .

 

[Brandish μ]

I don't think the Spirit King was weakened in the Tartarus arc though

I do agree with that. Mard ~ CSK was also implied in a way with their 'history'. Probably the only constraint on the CSK was his duration in Earthland.

Lucy would survive Iron FIst but not Demolition Fist. she has pretty good durability feats.

I agree. I'd be interested to see how Lucy fares after Natsu's Base roar.

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Csk had amazing durability

CSK was pierced easily by Mard's thorns. I'd say what's most impressive is his regeneration, more than his durability. Though regen is basically renewable durability.

 

[Summer]

I do agree with that. Mard ~ CSK was also implied in a way with their 'history'. Probably the only constraint on the CSK was his duration in Earthland.



I agree. I'd be interested to see how Lucy fares after Natsu's Base roar.

I disagree with that , celestial spirit is said to be only as strong as the summoner mp and due to the facts that csk moves start become sluggish after Lucy almost depleted her own mp pretty much proves that csk is restricted and affected by the summoner which is Lucy.

 

[LucifeCollins]

Well , to me everyone is a fodder if compare to what they are now lol , you're simply just doesn't like Lucy which is why you keep down rating her .

Just becoz someone had the same destructive power it doesn't mean that they had the same durability and natsu used fdkm punch at that time ( if I'm not wrong ) which is using a dragon power .

Nope , natsu couldnt easily gets to her just like that and two couple punch wouldn't take her down . Lucy had survived far worst attack than that . And again I'm not talking who will defeat who .

No offense but you're wanking Lucy to absurd levels right now. Natsu using FDKM wasn't Igneel's power when he fought the War God. CSK was at full power when he was first summoned, and Mard didn't even see the need to use his Etherious Form then. From their implied history, the two are about the same level—as said by both of them.

Natsu has simply shown to be much stronger than what we've seen from CSK. I don't not like Lucy. I think she could be better used. I'm not downplaying her power because "I don't like her". I'm just stating the most accurate implications from what we've seen in the manga. If Etherious Mard is as powerful as CSK, then Natsu wins no probs. Mard in Etherious was around Jacob or Ajeel level.

 

[Crimson Ice]

lol CSK isn't even stronger than base Mard. It was implied they had a history and the fact that Mard isn't dead leans towards him being victorious, while it was said he was still holding the book implying that Mard fought with the book in hand aka not serious in base. Even after all of that Mard still, doesn't drop the book in their second encounter. Portrayal favours Mard as the superior combatant.

 

[Summer]

No offense but you're wanking Lucy to absurd levels right now. Natsu using FDKM wasn't Igneel's power when he fought the War God. CSK was at full power when he was first summoned, and Mard didn't even see the need to use his Etherious Form then. From their implied history, the two are about the same level—as said by both of them.

Natsu has simply shown to be much stronger than what we've seen from CSK. I don't not like Lucy. I think she could be better used. I'm not downplaying her power because "I don't like her". I'm just stating the most accurate implications from what we've seen in the manga. If Etherious Mard is as powerful as CSK, then Natsu wins no probs. Mard in Etherious was around Jacob or Ajeel level.

Wanking Lucy to an absurb level? When? All I could remember is that I'm stating the facts , while I might not be 100% accurate or right I never over rating her or anything . Well at least I'm not that some people that think erza could defeat everyone with nakagami , gray could freeze everyone and defeat them and that his unshown plot armor could take down acnologia blah blah blah lol .

It doesn't matter if he used his other form or not , it's about who is stronger here . And just the facts that csk could turn him into stone and destroy him already prove who is much more superior here .

And nope you're not stating any accurate facts or anything like that lol.

 

[LucifeCollins]

Wanking Lucy to an absurb level? When? All I could remember is that I'm stating the facts , while I might not be 100% accurate or right I never over rating her or anything . Well at least I'm not that some people that think erza could defeat everyone with nakagami , gray could freeze everyone and defeat them and that his unshown plot armor could take down acnologia blah blah blah lol .

It doesn't matter if he used his other form or not , it's about who is stronger here . And just the facts that csk could turn him into stone and destroy him already prove who is much more superior here .

And nope you're not stating any accurate facts or anything like that lol.

I really am. Mard Geer was stated by both of them to have fought CSK with the book in his hands years ago. You're disregarding actual facts stated by the CSK himself.

Natsu in his current power level in FDKM would absolutely destroy CSK if CSK's power doesn't warrant Mard needing to use more than one hand and hop around. One Demolition Fist and he's down for the count.

 

[Summer]

I really am. Mard Geer was stated by both of them to have fought CSK with the book in his hands years ago. You're disregarding actual facts stated by the CSK himself.

Natsu in his current power level in FDKM would absolutely destroy CSK if CSK's power doesn't warrant Mard needing to use more than one hand and hop around. One Demolition Fist and he's down for the count.

They said that they fight each other and that's it , no such things as who winning or holding book or not lol . Csk did noted that mard still holding those book but that doesn't mean that mard fought while holding the book , even if he did that still doesn't prove anything lol.

Again I'm not talking about who will defeat who , and again again and again mard couldn't defeat csk . He couldn't scratch him lol . Memento mori wouldn't work on csk as he could dispel it.

 

[Axiomus]

I'm not talking who will defeat who , I'm talking about who is stronger here . Csk had amazing durability and a very destructive power and we are talking about tartaros Lucy here .

Also , just becoz someone could stop csk for a few second doesnt mean that they could hit Lucy just like that ,it's not like Lucy doesn't know how to fight on her own and it's not like one single attack will took her down . Lucy despite being a summoner has a impressive durability feats .

The roar that Natsu used against Bluenote would be sufficient to knock out most people on Makarov's level, or lower. FDK spells would take out anyone on Jacob's level, or lower. Lucy using just her star dresses is unlikely to be stronger than Makarov, and even moreso a Spriggan 12 member.

I disagree with that , celestial spirit is said to be only as strong as the summoner mp and due to the facts that csk moves start become sluggish after Lucy almost depleted her own mp pretty much proves that csk is restricted and affected by the summoner which is Lucy.

The Celestial Spirits all have all have their own supply of magical power, and it's never been said that a spirit can't have more magical power than the summoner. It's perfectly possible that some of Lucy's strongest spirits can have more power than Lucy herself. For exampe, Lucy was arguably more powerful using Aquarius' magical power than she was using her own reserve of magical power when fighting Jackal. CSK becoming sluggish after Lucy depleted her magical reserves can be explained by the fact that he had to delegate his own magical power to keep his gate open when Lucy couldn't.

 

[Firepower]

Yeah more or less.



What perspective? The first one? Yeah obviously. I am talking about the second one, which shows more then the total width of the island and Acnologia hovering above it. That doesn't make the island look small, thats about as perfect as a perspective for scaling as it gets.



Wow I am baffled. You do realize that Laxus and Gajeel being more durable then Makarov is part of my argument right? I did not agree to anything, this is my post before you even came in to waste my time.



Your inability to understand the arguments being made or having been made and then throwing around these types of statements make your credibility as a debater decrease by the second. I could continue to spoon feed you with quotes, or you could go back and re-read the debate yourself because you clearly don't even have an inkling of an idea of whats going on. Your drive to keep going is based on anger and it shows.



How do you go from me saying I can't read minds to me saying I could read minds? Reading comprehension is something you evidently lack, but this is just something else.



Thats cute. Look at you, instantly getting angry and going straight to insults like a little kid would.



lol the hypocrisy here is absurd. Literally every word that comes out of your mouth accusing me of doing something is something you have done yourself. How are you not embarrassed yet? You've got some will power on you mate. My feelings are fine, I am not the one thats throwing a tantrum because he got insulted. lol you even throw around the word disowning, how are you not banned yet.



Na dude, they were strong enough to survive against Mard to some extent. Sure he wasn't trying, but even then we outright saw them tanking one of his attacks with relative ease. The dragons inhibited their growth with dragon force, they prevented them from getting closer to a dragon, but their basic skills weren't inhibited.



What else is water magic going to do? Naturally its deadliness is going to be from its pressure, breaking rocks isn't that impressive. Not to mention the rocks around them are already broken up because of his cavern dragon move.

When did I say Gajeel and Laxus were not as durable as Makarov? I said from the start that taking a shot is proof of durability, not endurance. I don't know how you are playing this out in your head because I can't read minds either. I might need a crystal ball or something because I'm lacking in mind reading myself. lol Yeah I was bad. I'm not trying to say I'm clean. Next time don't let your overconfidence overflow and right away talk like you can take others apart. You couldn't and blamed not being able to read my mind. That is hilarious. If you did not agree to anything then why did you say the debate was over because you agreed to it? Then claimed that I continued it even though it was over? You aren't making any sense. You think saying you can pick me apart isn't cocky? Sure I used the same term on you. I usually return the favor plus extra. I don't have to pick you apart anymore when you are already in pieces and can't make sense anymore. I don't know how you can lie when all the evidence is right here. That is just baffling. That's why I used the word deceitful to describe you. Drag this on if you like. It won't change anything. And no I'm not mad. I never lost track of things. There was some other guy who kept sticking his nose into things. That's the one I'm being really harsh to, but not mad. It's you who is frustrated because you expect to always be right. Why would I back down or run away when you have no real explanation anymore?

 

[Demon Hunter]

When has it been said that a Celestial Spirit can only be as strong as the summoner? The Celestial Spirits all have all have their own supply of magical power. It's perfectly possible that some of Lucy's strongest spirits can have more power than Lucy herself. For exampe, Lucy was arguably more powerful using Aquarius' magical power than she was using her own reserve of magical power when fighting Jackal. CSK becoming sluggish after Lucy depleted her magical reserves can be explained by the fact that he had to delegate his own magical power to keep his gate open when Lucy couldn't.

I don't have Crunchyroll translation but this should suffice

Spoiler

Lucy collapsed a panel before. this was the moment where CSK became sluggish but he still had enough power to cast Galaxia Blade and petrify Mard Geer. he probably used the remaining power that he had left which was little. its not coincidence that he suddenly became sluggish when Lucy collapsed.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't have Crunchyroll translation but this should suffice

Spoiler

Lucy collapsed a panel before. this was the moment where CSK became sluggish but he still had enough power to cast Galaxa Blade and petrify Mard Geer. he probably used the remaining power that he still had left. its not coincidence that he suddenly became sluggish when Lucy collapsed.

I never said it was a coincidence that he became sluggish when Lucy collapsed. I said that once Lucy no longer had the power to keep the Spirit King's gate open, the Spirit King had to use his own power to do it. That's why he was slow. This is basically how I broke things down.

- Lucy summons Spirit King. She is low on magical power at this point.
- Spirit King give Aquarius' magical power to Lucy. Lucy now has a boosted tank.
- Lucy uses up Aquarius' magical power casting Urano Metria. Lucy's magical power is now empty.
- Spirit King starts using his own magical power to keep his gate open. This effects his performance.
- Spirit King casts Galaxia Blade and petrifies Mard with what remaining power he has left.

 

[The President]

Who are the fastest characters in the series right now? Combat speed, not racing speed (inb4 parent dragons are mentioned).

1) Acnologia
2) IgNatsu
3) Zeref Dragneel
4) Laxus Dreyar
5) Jellal (may go higher when he shows current speed)

When did I say Gajeel and Laxus were not as durable as Makarov?

Your right, I am wrong. I'm done with this.