Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

You're missing the point of Sandworld.It not only takes vision from the target but it also allows Ajeel to move around it,similar to Juvia's WaterbodyFrom all of the Spriggan I think he's the second going by AoE if I recall correct.I doubt it takes only one AoE attack to dispell,since it covers such a huge area.

No, I took that into consideration regarding my second post. It's true that Ajeel can move as freely as he wants but if he travels far away, he'll just be running from the fight.

If he is making a sneak attack (by coming close), then he'll be seen by God Serena as he is in the proximity of where the sandstorm was dispersed (due to AoE). Even if the sandstorm wasn't dispersed, Ajeel will be caught by God Serena's constant spam of attacks (which God Serena has shown to be capable of especially with high AoE).

Note how both examples tie in with one thing: God Serena's AoE. I will repeat it again. Anyone with decent AoE can counter Ajeel's Sand World. This isn't really hax magic like people are making it out to be. We have never seen this scenario happen because the only opponent Ajeel has faced was Erza who we know has low Destructive Capacity and AoE.

 

[BluePegasus]

Well, Natsu doesn't really have to negate the entire Sand World. His heat aura in FDKM would evaporate all the sand in his surrounding area as well as burn Ajeel, he could then just hit him with an FDK spell while he's recoiling.

I'm sorry but.. What? I've seen people overrating Natsu's body heat but this one went just too far. Natsu's body heat ain't going to do a single thing against Ajeel's Sandworld. And making an open field in Sandworld is useless, which is explicitly shown in the manga itself:

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So no, there basically isn't a way how Natsu can counter Sandworld.

As for God Serena, Natsu didn't really try to do anything, and it's not as if his spells were hurting anybody.

Natsu didn't try anything because he COULDN'T do anything. Face facts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

While Wahl does have his weakness bots, we have to take into account what weakness the bot would use, for example if it uses water, I could see Natsu just evaporating it and destroying the bot with his FDK spells as I doubt the weakness bot would actually have more power output than Natsu himself. I also doubt that Wahl could make a bot that could do something like nullify magic (in case you try to make that argument), because if he could, then he would have just used one against Gray, Juvia, Elfman, Lisanna, Mirajane and Laxus.

If Natsu can evaporate water than Wahl won't pick it as his weakness. Really, there are many other ways to counter Fire Magic. It won't surprise me at all if Wahl could create robots with Nullification Magic, since he can use it himself as well.

If Natsu isn't Spriggan tier because he lacks hax, then is God Serena Spriggan tier? Or Laxus? Shouldn't they all get fodderstomped by hax Spriggans?

Attack power is one of the most important stats, because if people like Jacob get hit by Natsu's FDKM it's over.

You don't need hax to be Spriggan tier, at least not low tier Spriggan. But as I tried to explain in my previous post, there is just no single way how Natsu could take out the three Spriggan who doesn't use hax magic. Some people make it sound like defeating a restricted hax Spriggan puts Natsu at Spriggan level, that's just a pointless statement imo.

But yes, both Laxus and Natsu will get fodderized by hax Spriggans. Laxus could counter Transport due to his Lightning Body though.

I agree that attack power is the most important stat, but it still isn't the deciding factor in power rankings. Natsu's FDKM may be able to take out Jacob due to his bad durability, but I guess we all know what would truly happen if Natsu faces Jacob in a solo fight. He uses Transport and it's over.

 

[Shoutmon]

I'm sorry but.. What? I've seen people overrating Natsu's body heat but this one went just too far. Natsu's body heat ain't going to do a single thing against Ajeel's Sandworld. And making an open field in Sandworld is useless, which is explicitly shown in the manga itself:

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So no, there basically isn't a way how Natsu can counter Sandworld.

Natsu could easily evaporate Ajeel's sand in base

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So why wouldn't he be able to evaporate it with heat that's strong enough to evaporate a lake, as well as make another spriggan recoil in pain?
Also, the difference between Natsu's heat aura and Erza's Wind God Sword is that Natsu's constantly emitting heat, so any sand that gets in his radius would get evaporated.

Natsu didn't try anything because he COULDN'T do anything. Face facts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Yet God Serena's attacks couldn't even do anything to Juvia, Lucy and Happy. Face facts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

If Natsu can evaporate water than Wahl won't pick it as his weakness. Really, there are many other ways to counter Fire Magic.

It doesn't matter what the bot uses. The point is, will whatever it use be powerful enough to not get burned away?

 

[Hermit]

His heat aura in FDKM would evaporate all the sand

Evaporate....sand? Lol wut

as burn Ajeel,

Sand's weakness isn't fire...if anything Ajeel can just get glass release then proceed to ROFLSTOMP Natsu with it..Ajeel's only two weaknesses are water and wind...fire won't even faze him

 

[Shoutmon]

Evaporate....sand? Lol wut

Yes, evaporate sand.

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Sand's weakness isn't fire...if anything Ajeel can just get glass release then proceed to ROFLSTOMP Natsu with it..Ajeel's only two weaknesses are water and wind...fire won't even faze him

Yes, it's not his weakness, but he can be affected by it, evident by him being affected by Natsu's punch. Also, Ajeel hasn't shown the ability to manipulate glass.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

No, I took that into consideration regarding my second post. It's true that Ajeel can move as freely as he wants but if he travels far away, he'll just be running from the fight.

If he is making a sneak attack (by coming close), then he'll be seen by God Serena as he is in the proximity of where the sandstorm was dispersed (due to AoE). Even if the sandstorm wasn't dispersed, Ajeel will be caught by God Serena's constant spam of attacks (which God Serena has shown to be capable of especially with high AoE).

Note how both examples tie in with one thing: God Serena's AoE. I will repeat it again. Anyone with decent AoE can counter Ajeel's Sand World. This isn't really hax magic like people are making it out to be. We have never seen this scenario happen because the only opponent Ajeel has faced was Erza who we know has low Destructive Capacity and AoE.

How would GS know where Ajeel is? The AoE of Ajeel's sandstorm was enough to cover whole Magnolia.How would he exactly know where Ajeel currently is?
GS AoE isn't as big as you make it out to be,it's mediocore at best (When ge fought the Saints it was as bug as my backyard).

Nobody tried to counter it so if it would be or what it takes to dispell it is pure speculation.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

How would GS know where Ajeel is? The AoE of Ajeel's sandstorm was enough to cover whole Magnolia.How would he exactly know where Ajeel currently is?
GS AoE isn't as big as you make it out to be,it's mediocore at best (When ge fought the Saints it was as bug as my backyard).

Nobody tried to counter it so if it would be or what it takes to dispell it is pure speculation.

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying God Serena can blow the whole sandstorm away. Nobody can do that. Not even with Natsu's AoE. But what he can do is blow away a significant portion of it so that he has a target on Ajeel for a few seconds. That would enable him to land an attack and defeat him. However, if Ajeel doesn't happen to be there, then that just means he is not close enough to God Serena to be able to attack him.

And if you don't have an idea on how Sand World can be countered, tell me who you think can beat him. Nobody? How would Zeref, Laxus, Jellal, Natsu, and Gildarts be able to beat him if he were that "hax"?

I mean if I were to guess, I would say Zeref's Black Magic would obliterate Ajeel's sand. Laxus' nuke would blow it away. Jellal's spell would hit Ajeel regardless of where he is in his sandstorm due to AoE. Natsu's flames would burn the sand until nothing is left. And Gildarts would crash his Sand World.

This is a power ranking thread so you have to have a standpoint on a matter. I don't think this is pure speculation. Rather, I would call it reasonable speculation.

 

[Axiomus]

You don't have to blow away all of sand world to land a hit on Ajeel, or even knock him out. Any attack that is village scaled or higher stands a decent chance of hitting Ajeel so long as he's somewhere close to the area. Chances are if you're close enough to hear Ajeel, you're close enough to land the attack. For example, If Laxus had been fighting Ajeel he could have just nuked the airship. If Ajeel was anywhere near that airship, he would have been hit.

It's just a matter of whether or not your attacks have the ability to deal as much damage as nakagami starlight

 

[Talenel]

Natsu had Igneel's magical power, but he didn't have Igneel's physical attributes. Igneel-powered Natsu was basically to Igneel what Acnologia's human form was to his dragon form. If Natsu ever obtains the ability to fully dragonize, he should be able to use stronger attacks than when he had Igneel's magical power. The downside to this is that not having Igneel's level of magical power might limit the time he can spend in maintaining that form.

are we certain that Igneels physical abilities far exceed Natsu's? What feats of muscular strength do Dragons have that outstrip human mages?

 

[Axiomus]

are we certain that Igneels physical abilities far exceed Natsu's? What feats of muscular strength do Dragons have that outstrip human mages?

Yes. The ability to tear off one of Acnologia's arms.

 

[Talenel]

Yes. The ability to tear off one of Acnologia's arms.

I actually don't know that that does surpass what Natsu could be capable of when at full power.

 

[Axiomus]

I actually don't know that that does surpass what Natsu could be capable of when at full power.

Why not? To this date, nobody has done that type of permanent damage to Acnologia.

 

[Woodenstool]

Note: I'm not factoring in DF when I say Natsu is Spriggan level. This is what I'm saying...


Natsu used Dragon Force in Tartarus arc. Wendy can use it all the time. I think it's just to say Natsu has DF. How strong it will be is opinion, and mine is very high. There's more basis for Natsu's DF than CSK star dress or Demon Force. Moreover Gray's words are just that, words. If you want to place Gray at Zeref level because he said some stuff then that's fine, but I'll wait for that to eventuate.

If Natsu doesn't get Dragon Force I would be extremely shocked.

Dragon force doesn't mean anything for Natsu in a fight. Erza is clearly faster than Natsu an she couldn't even touch Ajeel when he asked if there was anyone stronger in your guild.Dragon force isn't going to make Natsu so faster that he can counter Ajeels speed.

 

[BluePegasus]

Natsu could easily evaporate Ajeel's sand in base

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So why wouldn't he be able to evaporate it with heat that's strong enough to evaporate a lake, as well as make another spriggan recoil in pain?
Also, the difference between Natsu's heat aura and Erza's Wind God Sword is that Natsu's constantly emitting heat, so any sand that gets in his radius would get evaporated.

He evaporated a spell of Ajeel with less than building level AoE, so I don't get why you even compare Ant Lion Pit with Sandworld.

Dude, you're like overrating Natsu's body heat to the max. It ain't going to do a thing to Sandworld and if it would, then why the hell weren't the Alvarez soldiers affected by it once Natsu fought Zeref?

Yet God Serena's attacks couldn't even do anything to Juvia, Lucy and Happy. Face facts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

I don't know which manga you read, but they were affected by it.

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If you look clearly at this page you see both Lucy and Juvia getting scorched by God Serena's flames, even though the flames were mixed with water. Get your "facts" straight.

It doesn't matter what the bot uses. The point is, will whatever it use be powerful enough to not get burned away?

Do you even understand the capabilities of Weakness?

I'll repeat myself one more time, if Natsu can counter something than it's NOT his weakness. In other words, Wahl will come up with something he CAN'T counter. That's the meaning of his magic. We can discuss this topic as long as you want, but you need to face the fact that Wahl is undefeatable in a solo fight once you don't have a secondary magic.

Also, you need to stop making it sound like Natsu's body heat is the absolute counter to everything. Lolz.

Evaporate....sand? Lol wut

Sand's weakness isn't fire...if anything Ajeel can just get glass release then proceed to ROFLSTOMP Natsu with it..Ajeel's only two weaknesses are water and wind...fire won't even faze him

 

[Kantos]

Got to agree with the others that Natsu isn't spriggan level. Only his attack level and AOE his spriggan level from only FDK mode.

He doesn't have the durability, endurance, and other type of stats to be considered Spriggan level. More over Jacob would've killed Natsu in an instant with his stealth and transportation techs, and poofed him away, but didn't because of CIS/PIS

 

[Shoutmon]

He evaporated a spell of Ajeel with less than building level AoE, so I don't get why you even compare Ant Lion Pit with Sandworld.

Dude, like I said before, he doesn't have to burn away the entire SandWorld. He just has to burn away the sand in a certain area. Let me give you the scenario : Ajeel activates SandWorld and gets close to Natsu. Natsu would then activate FDKM and burn all the sand that's within his heat's radius. Ajeel would also start burning and while he's busy recoiling from the heat, Natsu would hit him.

Dude, you're like overrating Natsu's body heat to the max. It ain't going to do a thing to Sandworld and if it would, then why the hell weren't the Alvarez soldiers affected by it once Natsu fought Zeref?

I'll just leave this here as my answer.

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I don't know which manga you read, but they were affected by it.

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If you look clearly at this page you see both Lucy and Juvia getting scorched by God Serena's flames, even though the flames were mixed with water. Get your "facts" straight.

Alright, wrong choice of words. They were affected by it, but it barely did any damage.

Do you even understand the capabilities of Weakness?

I'll repeat myself one more time, if Natsu can counter something than it's NOT his weakness. In other words, Wahl will come up with something he CAN'T counter. That's the meaning of his magic.

And I'll repeat myself one more time, it doesn't matter what the bot uses, the bot has to be powerful enough to overpower Natsu with it. Water is fire's main weakness, yet it can be evaporated. Fire is ice's main weakness, yet it can be frozen. What I'm saying is, if the difference in power is above a certain threshold, the weakness can be overcome.

Saying that Natsu would be unable to beat the bot regardless of the power difference between them is like saying that Gray would've been stomped by that fire bot regardless of what spell he'd try to use.

That's the meaning of his magic. We can discuss this topic as long as you want, but you need to face the fact that Wahl is undefeatable in a solo fight once you don't have a secondary magic.

So what your saying is, no matter how powerful the opponent, even if they are dragon level or even dragon king level, they'd still get stomped by Wahl as long as they have a single element?

Also, you need to stop making it sound like Natsu's body heat is the absolute counter to everything. Lolz.

I'm not saying that it counters everything, I'm saying it would only counter a few things.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I don't want to go too much into this topic because it was already beaten to death; however, as far as I'm concerned, Natsu is overall Spriggan tier. His Attack Power and Defense should be adequate when we're comparing him to a Spriggan. As for his Speed and MP, I'd say he's quite average there. But in terms of Intelligence and Versatility, he lacks alot and needs improvement.

To say Natsu isn't on the same level as a Spriggan would be highly underestimating his powers and just pure denial. I will admit that a lot of users do indeed overestimate Natsu to the point it is utterly ridiculous. But to be fair here, Natsu deserves some of the credit that people are denying him of.

Anyways, the question as of now should be more like... Which Spriggan level is he on?

Because Natsu has many forms, he has such a wide range of power. Note that these are just my opinions. In Base Form, he would be on the level of a Low-Tier Spriggan (maybe a little bit lower). Flame Dragon King Mode would push Natsu to a Medium-Tier Spriggan. And DF Natsu is unknown. We can speculate all we want and get nowhere with Dragon Force. Personally, I wouldn't mind someone saying he can match a High-Tier Spriggan (doesn't mean he can defeat one although there is a possibility depending on who he is up against).

 

[Arjuna]

Well to be honest i will put Natsu's powerups like this
Base Natsu-Low Tier Spriggan level.He easily blasted away third strongest spell of Ajeel and proved a match against him.You may agrue that he is not Spriggan level in this mode and as he didn't fight much i may concede.Still he is nothing short of high GOI level(though i personally believe Base Natsu is on the level of low tier Spriggan)
FDKM Natsu-It is definetly on the level of mid high tier Spriggan level.No denial about it.It rivals powerwise full powered Laxus.AOE and DC wise FDKM Natsu is greater than Laxus while Speed and Durability wise Laxus is greater.
DF-Well this is the highest form of Dragon Slayer and should be stronger than FDKM.But as i didn't see it i will not speculate on it.
I believe we will see DF against the final battle against Acnologia.

 

[Brandish μ]

Dragon force doesn't mean anything for Natsu in a fight. Erza is clearly faster than Natsu an she couldn't even touch Ajeel when he asked if there was anyone stronger in your guild.Dragon force isn't going to make Natsu so faster that he can counter Ajeels speed.

DF's a pretty massive power up really, it gives Natsu a bump in all physical stats. His speed goes up because his physical strength does. He'd be faster than both Ajeel and Erza when using dragon force. If anything his Tartarus DF is already at point of being faster than Erza, and possibly Ajeel.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Dragon force doesn't mean anything for Natsu in a fight. Erza is clearly faster than Natsu an she couldn't even touch Ajeel when he asked if there was anyone stronger in your guild.Dragon force isn't going to make Natsu so faster that he can counter Ajeels speed.

Dragon force doesn't mean anything in a fight? So what you're telling me is that base Natsu could have stomped out Mard just like what DF Natsu did?? Or base ToH Natsu could have stomped out Jellal like what DF ToH Natsu could have done? I know it's debatable whether or not he can use it freely, but it's as clear as day that DF "does mean something for Natsu".

The only armors that Erza is most likely faster than Natsu in are her hot pants armor and flight armor. Compare Erza trying to hit Ajeel in her other armors vs Natsu trying to hit Ajeeel:

Spoiler: Erza trying to hit Ajeel

Spoiler: Natsu trying to hit Ajeel