If you hadn't jumped to conclusions then you might have known that I'm here to contribute to the discussion. I'm merely stating that the fact that certain people get worked up over things like BS victories aren't understanding the nature of FT. Things like this happen all the time. Logic gets thrown aside for the sake of "the plot"
Thats not contributing to the discussion in the slightest. You're basically saying that you find the discussion pointless, in which case I have to ask you again: Why are you on a power ranking thread if you don't care about power levels?
Igneel powered Natsu is on human Acnologia's level in terms of MP levels because Igneel was on Acnologia's level. That doesn't mean Natsu is as good of a fighter as Acnologia. A fight between Acnologias and Igneel-powered Natsu would likely have Acnologia tearing a hole through Natsu like he did Serena, especially if Natsu doesn't have the reactions to deal with God Serena. That said, Natsu's offensive feats aren't totally incomparable with Acnologia. Natsu has feats of punching Zeref through a mountain. That should easily be on par with the feat of Acnologia blowing up the ground beneath Irene's feet, especially given that Zeref > Irene, Zeref was also impressed by Igneel's magical power.Dude....are you serious? Holy shit....you placed Igneel-powered Natsu and ACNOLOGIA on the same level? Holy crap that's taking it too far....
Have you...have you seen human Acnologia's feats?
His magic power ALONE is capable of making 8 high tier mages quake in their boots...Igneel Natsu isn't even CLOSE in terms of magic to human Acnologia....Jesus man...
He blitzed three Spriggan 12 level opponents in an instant...Igneel Natsu doesn't even have speed NEARING this, I mean shit, Zeref was able to go toe to toe with him, and Zeref himself isnt even a speedster.
A swing of his hand....a SWING, with no magic power behind it at all...was able to cause a crater in the earth....Igneel powered Natsu's best feat was just setting the earth on fire, and even then there was no lasting damage on it....it soon receded back into its former state..
No offense man, but putting Igneel powered Natsu and Acnologia on the same level is as bad as it gets...if he was on that level then Zeref would have just told Acnologia to finish him off ages ago..
The gap between Igneel powered Natsu and human Acnologia is COLOSSAL
I will come to your points one by one
Natsu didn't punch anyone through a mountain, thats a cliff lol.Igneel powered Natsu is on human Acnologia's level in terms of MP levels because Igneel was on Acnologia's level. That doesn't mean Natsu is as good of a fighter as Acnologia. A fight between Acnologias and Igneel-powered Natsu would likely have Acnologia tearing a hole through Natsu like he did Serena, especially if Natsu doesn't have the reactions to deal with God Serena. That said, Natsu's offensive feats aren't totally incomparable with Acnologia. Natsu has feats of punching Zeref through a mountain. That should easily be on par with the feat of Acnologia blowing up the ground beneath Irene's feet, especially given that Zeref > Irene, Zeref was also impressed by Igneel's magical power.
Simply put: Igneel-powered Natsu is to Acnologia's human form what Igneel himself was to Acnologia's dragon form.
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Im pretty sure Jacob can use transport on Natsu. "Oh but FDKM can burn through it"
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What was the point of that picture?Natsu has FDK Roar
If you had bothered to actually read the posts on this thread (which by now I shouldn't be surprised about considering you like to ignore and skip over things) you would know that Jean was responding to Emperor Spriggan, who claimed that Natsu didn't have a FDK roar.
Doesn't matter if it's a mountain or a cliff. It was still a large chunk of rock that Natsu punched Zeref through, making the attack comparable to the amount of rock Acnologia blew up under Irene. I never claimed Natsu was as fast as Acnologia. Though honestly, Igneel powered Natsu is probably still very fast given that he can cover the distance between Zeref and himself before Zeref can react. He was also able to trade multiple blows with Zeref in the skies. He would probably be able to exchange a few blows with Acnologia before going down.
It does matter because mountains are larger than cliffs. And that punch that Natsu used isn't impressive at all, we've other mages punch other people through walls thicker and larger. Seeing how Natsu using igneels power could only move Zeref that far proves that his physical strength is low as hell.Doesn't matter if it's a mountain or a cliff. It was still a large chunk of rock that Natsu punched Zeref through, making the attack easily comparable to the amount of rock Acnologia blew up under Irene. I never claimed Natsu was as fast as Acnologia. Though honestly, Igneel powered Natsu is probably still very fast given that he can cover the distance between Zeref and himself before Zeref can react. He was also able to trade multiple blows with Zeref in the skies.Zeref was impressed by how powerful Igneel's magical power was. He said so himself that he was truly impressed by it.
And yes, Acnologia is stronger than Natsu overall. He has access to his Dragon Form, and has better durability and speed. However, Igneel was comparable to Acnologia. Natsu with Igneel's magical power would have been near the ball park of human Acnologia in terms of magical power.
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Cool.
How many other mages has managed to send an opponent of the caliber of Zeref crashing through that volume of solid rock?
Igneel gave Natsu enough magical power to kill Zeref. Acnologia's dragon form might not necessarily increase his magical reserves, but it gives him access to more powerful attacks due to its vastly superior physical constitution.
Ok, why are you comparing a hole in the ground to someone being punched through a rock?No, it really doesn't matter, because we're comparing the attack to the attack Acnologia used on Irene. That attack wasn't mountain scale either (you can see Irene and Acnologia's figures) standing at the edge. Nor did that attack really even land against Irene.
I'm going to call you out on us seeing other mages replicate what Natsu did to Zeref. How many other mages has managed to send an opponent of the caliber of Zeref crashing through that volume of solid rock?
Igneel gave Natsu enough magical power to kill Zeref. Acnologia's dragon form might not necessarily increase his magical reserves, but it gives him access to more powerful attacks due to its vastly superior physical constitution.
Because I'm comparing Igneel powered Natsu's feats to human Acnologia's, I thought that was kind of obvious.
Well, destroying a mountain speaks more of AoE and DC than just destroying a cliff.
Destroying a cliff, and looking at the penetration power would be much more impressive than AOE in my opinion
I doubt the actual dragon matters, but yeah. I fully expect Natsu to have more physical force than Igneel when he uses DF or whatever other final mode he has. I could be wrong of course.
I agree.
Where is this post? Im very curious to know how that red lightning works.
Well, you are literally gaining the physical features of the dragon you learned your magic from. I think there are exceptions to this, of course. For example, if you focused on multiple elements, the dragon you take after could be an amalgamation of features from multiple dragons. That's basically what I think Acnologia is. He's taken power from the souls of every dragon he's came across, and so his element is a combination of all those elements. This would make Acnologia's element very similar to etherion, which is also described as a combination of all elements.
....Maybe? I think you just turn into a random elemental dragon though. Gajeel, for example, looks nothing like Metallicana when he transforms.
Well we don't know if the black iron form is actually dragon force, since Gajeel has shown the ability to cover himself in scales before. There's also the fact that Gajeel gained that form after eating a lot of anti-magic particles, and that gave him a certain degree of curse power. That might not be how dragon force looks under magical power.
Natsu doesn't gain any muscle when using Igneels power nor does his physical punches get stronger. He was smacking Zeref with fire hotter than his own.
Natsu has Igneel's magical power, and magical power generally increases one's physical strength. Dragon Slaying magic is magic that transforms your physical body and gives it aspects of a dragon's body. This would likely include aspects of physical strength. We've seen Natsu perform inhuman feats of strength, and that was likely due to his magic. Long story short: Magic generally enhances physical strength.
You know if you're going to call someone out, you have to make sure what you are about to say is true. I'm not the one who came up with the idea that Zeref is weaker when he values life. Zeref himself said that. I'm just repeating what he said. Zeref revealed that he still valued human life when he was fighting Ultear, and that's why he couldn't use magic as much as he should be able to. Natsu's punch happened before that, so this version of Zeref was weaker than the current one.
Igneel gave Natsu all of his remaining magical power. Igneel > Atlas Flame.