Nope. Defeat 50% of a Spriggan > Defeteat Heyne and Juliet. But I'm not putting: Minerva > Mirajane even after that because Minerva didn't show damage attack powers att all.
Kagura still has better feats than Mirajane even in the last arc.
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Minerva shield Natsu LFDK in the GMG arc and Natsu use it against Jackals in Tartaros, without the narrative say that he trained and only 3 months after GMG tournament, so she could do the same in the Tartaros Arc.
(Anyway, Jackals is trash in defense. Tempester took a stronger attack from Natsu LFDK than Jackals received and got to it undamaged)
Kagura has better feats than Mirajane in the final arc? What are you even talking about? Kagura didn’t defeat anyone. She didn’t defeat any Spriggan whilst Mira did. That shows the clear difference in power. Kagura got fodderized in every battle. Now you’re going against canon. One shotting Juliet and Heine and defeating Jacob>anything Kagura and Minerva have done.
How is Mirajane weaker than Seilah and Kyouka when she absorbed them and has Alegria which is stronger than both of them????
By your logic, Minerva would be able to shield against Natsu’s attack right now because she did it in GMG. That’s not how it works.
Minerva didn’t even defeat historia Wahl tbh he disappeared because Neinhart was defeated. Bloodman completely fodderized Sabertooth yet his historia lost to flipping Rogue? I don’t believe it. Even if Minerva defeated Historia Wahl, Mira one shotting JnH then later defeating Jacob is still more impressive than just defeating one historia of a Spriggan and nothing else. That’s all Minerva did, and I doubt she actually beat him.
How? Jacob is an assassin who specialises in h2h. How is NEINHART, with no historia’s, better than Jacob without his magic? Now you’re just trying to downplay Jacob to try and downplay Mira.
Your final argument doesn't make sense.
Jellal used his strong spell, Senma, against Oracion Seis and he didn't want to kill them or ''went harder'',he just wanted to defeat them and make them join his cause.
Jacob didn't prove to be able to stand even a FDK punch attack from Natsu. Jacob was defeated by a Satan Soul attack from a tired and without no magic power remaining Mirajane. Heyne and Juliet fought the same Satan Soul from Mirajane with great magic reserves and tanked it easily.
Heyne and Juliet are stronger in defense than Jacob. It only shows how weak he is and that Natsu would defeat him with any other attacks.
Natsu probably wasn't using the FDK in his stronger level of strength just like Jellal wasn't putting all his strength with O6.
STOP TRYING TO MAKE JACOB BE STRONG JUST TO ELEVATE MIRAJANE'S LEVEL. HE IS TRASH. SORRY, BUT HE IS.
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Even Lisanna could endure a fight with Jacob without him use any magic and being with his eyes closed. Afterall she endure a fight with Ajeel when she acted as Elfman support, right?
LOL
What if people try to force Lisanna as Spriggan Level because of it? LOL
Lisanna would definitely lose against a closed eye Jacob lol wtf. She doesn’t have the attack power necessary to take him down and she’d Lose. Nice try. Also you’re forgetting that Mira was WEAKENED when she fought Jacob. A weakened Lisanna isn’t defeating any Spriggan by herself.
Jacob and Neinhart are different, One has high durability, and one doesn’t for obvious reasons, Jacob was able to fight Mira even after regaining significant portions of her magic power who while in her weakest state in BoFT arc created a massive explosion all the way from the outskirts of town that can be seen from deep within town. Natsu clearly stated that he cannot hold back and will do anything to win, even before Alvarez, he killed a war god with a standard punch, yet he couldn’t even kill Jacob with FDKM with Demolition Fist. It doesn’t matter what each Spriggan uses, most of them are on the same level as each other regardless.
And the logic is pretty simple here as well, fire dragon king mode basically increases the destructive capabilities of his other attacks. Which is more impressive than going down to a simple FDK attack, which is even more unimpressive if one’s spell is based on Durability and when in that mode with increased states you managed to not get burned severely compared to standard flames
Kagura has better feats than Mirajane in the final arc? What are you even talking about? Kagura didn’t defeat anyone. She didn’t defeat any Spriggan whilst Mira did. That shows the clear difference in power. Kagura got fodderized in every battle. Now you’re going against canon. One shotting Juliet and Heine and defeating Jacob>anything Kagura and Minerva have done.
How is Mirajane weaker than Seilah and Kyouka when she absorbed them and has Alegria which is stronger than both of them????
By your logic, Minerva would be able to shield against Natsu’s attack right now because she did it in GMG. That’s not how it works.
Minerva didn’t even defeat historia Wahl tbh he disappeared because Neinhart was defeated. Bloodman completely fodderized Sabertooth yet his historia lost to flipping Rogue? I don’t believe it. Even if Minerva defeated Historia Wahl, Mira one shotting JnH then later defeating Jacob is still more impressive than just defeating one historia of a Spriggan and nothing else. That’s all Minerva did, and I doubt she actually beat him.
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How? Jacob is an assassin who specialises in h2h. How is NEINHART, with no historia’s, better than Jacob without his magic? Now you’re just trying to downplay Jacob to try and downplay Mira.
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Jacob was fighting with closed eyer and without using his transport magic (that makes him capable of killing his pray easily). Neinhart, on another hand, fought with his eye open, used a "strong" air power (the air was cutting his enemies) and was able to survive a attack from Jellal with killing intent. So, yes, Neinhart without Historias>> Jacob that Mirajane fought.
Lisanna would definitely lose against a closed eye Jacob lol wtf. She doesn’t have the attack power necessary to take him down and she’d Lose. Nice try. Also you’re forgetting that Mira was WEAKENED when she fought Jacob. A weakened Lisanna isn’t defeating any Spriggan by herself.
Yeas, dude, Kagura has! Kagura defeated Simon Historia with just one attack, defeated Neinhart's subalterns with just one attack too. Oh it doesn't count? Ok, I agreed. The same way to defeat two subalterns and the weakest Spriggan at combat don't count.
But Kagura:
1) still fighting with a sword with very good cut power. She easily cut a small mountain with her cut power.
2) still fasts (faster than Mirajane was portrayed in the same arc)
3) her gravity magic works on Sting DF with Rogue's shadow, so even strong wizards will be under her gravity spell.
Mirajane absorbed a weak Sayla without no curse power left and use her Macro in a weaker way than Sayla. So she isn't stronger than Sayla.
Alegria is the same thing. She only is capable to endure a few minutes fighting in this form, so no way that she is just stronger as Plutogrim was! She can only handle the Plutogrim powers a few minutes, lol.
Nope, Minerva defeats Wahl. Neinhart was defeated by Natsu a huge time after Wahl disappears and Mashima even not showed to us that Neinhart had passed away. Larcade and Invel were beaten up but still remaining awake, so why Neinhart couldn't be awake and the Historias keeping on the battlefield? After Neinhart's defeat, Lucy fought Brandish, Dimaria kidnapped Lucy and Natsu, Natsu defeated Dimaria and fought Gray with his END power, Mavis escaped from Irene's hand, Makarov ''died'' using Fairy Law.... lol and the Historias were there all this time fighting Minerva and Rogue.
Obviously, it doesn't make sense think that the Historias just vanished because of Neinhart's defeat, once that the author even showed Minerva and Rogue being able to put their enemies on the ground (both Wahl and Bloodman was laying down on the floor).
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Lisanna could lose, but she will endure for a lot of time, after all, she endured against Ajeel that was fighting with his eye opened and using his magic. I wouldn't be surprised even if she Lisanna could beat Jacob in the trash way that he was!
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"By your logic, Minerva would be able to shield against Natsu’s attack right now because she did it in GMG. That’s not how it works. "
Natsu trained for 1 year so he is much strong than he was right now. But we didn't see how strong his LFDK spells are nowadays. Minerva wasn't sleeping during this year. Sabertooth ascended as the number 1 guild of Ishgar this time and it was said that they were doing a lot of missions. Minerva keeps some demon gens in his body, which makes her stronger than she was at GMG, so maybe she could stand against Natsu LFDK attack even nowadays (using her shield of course!).
It just happens that her defense magic is good!
Jacob and Neinhart are different, One has high durability, and one doesn’t for obvious reasons, Jacob was able to fight Mira even after regaining significant portions of her magic power who while in her weakest state in BoFT arc created a massive explosion all the way from the outskirts of town that can be seen from deep within town. Natsu clearly stated that he cannot hold back and will do anything to win, even before Alvarez, he killed a war god with a standard punch, yet he couldn’t even kill Jacob with FDKM with Demolition Fist. It doesn’t matter what each Spriggan uses, most of them are on the same level as each other regardless.
And the logic is pretty simple here as well, fire dragon king mode basically increases the destructive capabilities of his other attacks. Which is more impressive than going down to a simple FDK attack, which is even more unimpressive if one’s spell is based on Durability and when in that mode with increased states you managed to not get burned severely compared to standard flames
What fanfic is that?
Mirajane was with no power magic at all. She fought the majority time of the battle without even use a Take Over form and just had power enough to change to Satan Soul basic and to use a spell and nothing more.
Neinhart would clean the ground with Mirajane if she fought him without using Take Over.
Magic replenishes relatively quickly, just a few hours from night to morning would do, just like with Natsu, in similar cases with Erigor and other FT members on Tenrou. We have no information that would lead to Mirajane just transforming at that moment to defeat Jacob, Neinhart has relatively lacking Durability.
Yeas, dude, Kagura has! Kagura defeated Simon Historia with just one attack, defeated Neinhart's subalterns with just one attack too. Oh it doesn't count? Ok, I agreed. The same way to defeat two subalterns and the weakest Spriggan at combat don't count.
But Kagura:
1) still fighting with a sword with very good cut power. She easily cut a small mountain with her cut power.
2) still fasts (faster than Mirajane was portrayed in the same arc)
3) her gravity magic works on Sting DF with Rogue's shadow, so even strong wizards will be under her gravity spell.
Mirajane absorbed a weak Sayla without no curse power left and use her Macro in a weaker way than Sayla. So she isn't stronger than Sayla.
Alegria is the same thing. She only is capable to endure a few minutes fighting in this form, so no way that she is just stronger as Plutogrim was! She can only handle the Plutogrim powers a few minutes, lol.
Nope, Minerva defeats Wahl. Neinhart was defeated by Natsu a huge time after Wahl disappears and Mashima even not showed to us that Neinhart had passed away. Larcade and Invel were beaten up but still remaining awake, so why Neinhart couldn't be awake and the Historias keeping on the battlefield? After Neinhart's defeat, Lucy fought Brandish, Dimaria kidnapped Lucy and Natsu, Natsu defeated Dimaria and fought Gray with his END power, Mavis escaped from Irene's hand, Makarov ''died'' using Fairy Law.... lol
Obviously, it doesn't make sense think that the Historias jus vanished because of Neinhart's defeat, once that author even showed Minerva and Rogue being able to put their enemies on the ground (both Wahl and Bloodman was laying down on the floor).
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Lisanna could lose, but she will endure for a lot of time, after all, she endured against Ajeel that was fighting with his eye open and using his magic. I wouldn't be surprised even if she Lisanna could beat Jacob in the trash way that he was!
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"By your logic, Minerva would be able to shield against Natsu’s attack right now because she did it in GMG. That’s not how it works. "
Natsu trained for 1 year so he is much strong than he was right now. But we didn't see how strong his LFDK spells are nowadays. Minerva wasn't sleeping during this year. Sabertooth ascended as the number 1 guild of Ishgar this time and it was said that they were doing a lot of missions. Minerva keeps some demon gens in his body, which makes her stronger than she was at GMG, so maybe she could stand against Natsu LFDK attack even nowadays (using her shield of course!).
It just happens that her defense magic is good!
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What fanfic is that?
Mirajane was with no power magic at all. She fought the majority time of the battle without even use a Take Over form and just had power enough to change to Satan Soul basic and to use a spell and nothing more.
Neinhart would clean the ground with Mirajane if she fought him without using Take Over.
Those feats from Kagura are laughable...... Simon is already weak as hell. Kagura one shot his HISTORIA. Not a feat. Neinhart’s squads was fodder too. Irene has the strongest squad captains ( she made them herself). They were on par with BSS. None of the other captains have those feats. Weakened Mira defeating Jacob>Kagura defeating HISTORIA SIMON? LMAO. Now you’re just being biased. So you want to discount Mira defeating the weakest Spriggan? Why? Because you like Kagura more? Still defeating the weakest Spriggan shit’s on everything Kagura has done....
1. Oh wow, she cut a small mountain? Mira can do the exact same thing with a punch...
2. Not faster than Mira. Mira blitzed Juliet and Heine and Jacob. Kagura didn’t blitz anyone. Dimaria and Larcade reacted to her speed just fine.
3. So what? Sting isn’t even that strong and I’m pretty sure he didn’t expect Kagura to send him down to his shadows.
Okay first of all that whole paragraph about Neinhart is an unreadable mess. What are you talking about? First things first, Natsu defeated Neinhart and then the next thing you know, historia Bloodman and Wahl are defeated. Neinhart isn’t dead. He didn’t die.
How... how does it not make sense that the historia’s would disappear because Neinhart was defeated? He is literally the one who made him. If the creator of the historia’s gets knocked out, they’d go. Was Larcade’s pleasure magic still on the battlefield after he was knocked out.
Doesn’t matter when Mira absorbed Seilah. Curse and magic power recharges there. Otherwise Mirajane-Seilah would have no curse power? But if Mirajane-Seilah has no curse power, how did Macro work on 30+ soldiers?
Lisanna would lose to Jacob. Let’s not even have this discussion. Lisanna did jack to Ajeel lol Elfman was the one with the sand beast.
Those feats from Kagura are laughable...... Simon is already weak as hell. Kagura one shot his HISTORIA. Not a feat. Neinhart’s squads was fodder too. Irene has the strongest squad captains ( she made them herself). They were on par with BSS. None of the other captains have those feats. Weakened Mira defeating Jacob>Kagura defeating HISTORIA SIMON? LMAO. Now you’re just being biased. So you want to discount Mira defeating the weakest Spriggan? Why? Because you like Kagura more? Still defeating the weakest Spriggan shit’s on everything Kagura has done....
1. Oh wow, she cut a small mountain? Mira can do the exact same thing with a punch...
2. Not faster than Mira. Mira blitzed Juliet and Heine and Jacob. Kagura didn’t blitz anyone. Dimaria and Larcade reacted to her speed just fine.
3. So what? Sting isn’t even that strong and I’m pretty sure he didn’t expect Kagura to send him down to his shadows.
Okay first of all that whole paragraph about Neinhart is an unreadable mess. What are you talking about? First things first, Natsu defeated Neinhart and then the next thing you know, historia Bloodman and Wahl are defeated. Neinhart isn’t dead. He didn’t die.
How... how does it not make sense that the historia’s would disappear because Neinhart was defeated? He is literally the one who made him. If the creator of the historia’s gets knocked out, they’d go. Was Larcade’s pleasure magic still on the battlefield after he was knocked out.
Doesn’t matter when Mira absorbed Seilah. Curse and magic power recharges there. Otherwise Mirajane-Seilah would have no curse power? But if Mirajane-Seilah has no curse power, how did Macro work on 30+ soldiers?
Lisanna would lose to Jacob. Let’s not even have this discussion. Lisanna did jack to Ajeel lol Elfman was the one with the sand beast.
No, I'm discounting Mirajane defeating Jacob because Jacob didn't show be able to endure even 3 or 4 cuts from Kagura's sword. Just for it!
1) Why are you playing dumb? Mirajane punches and nukes can destroy a mini-mountain or even more, of course! But is it really difficult for you to understand that we're talking about punch and nuke in Mirajane's case and when we are talking about Kagura is a sword CUT? CUT! CUT! It will cut the body, open a wound, make the person bleed. CUT! A Punch doesn't do this, a nuke doesn't do this, that's way Kagura still above Mirajane, her fight style does more damage. Kagura with bare hands is strong enough to rival Mirajane's Take Over, once that one kick that Kagura hit Erza made the Titania be hurled for meters.
2) Mirajane blitzed Heyne and Juliet? Yes, but the two are too scared of her! Blitz opponents that were too scary to move isn't a good feat. Even August was ''too chocked'' about Gildarts figuring out the secret of his magic and didn't react Gildart's attack because of it, but it doesn't mean that August would not be able to scape if he was in his ''normal self''. Mirajane didn't blitz Jacob, she just hit an attack on him (when he was with his eye closed) how is it a blitz? LOL
Kagura reacts a surprise attack from Dimaria and blocked it! Kagura dodges Larcade's blade and was called ''fast'' by him (and her speed action was praised by Dimaria), so she IS faster than Mirajane. Mirajane never proved to be fast against strong opponents.
3) Sting was strong enough in that form to defeat the third strongest Spriggan, who was fighting with all his power, so, yes, he is strong. Far away stronger than Mirajane. Sting with DF + Rogue's shadow can compete with Erza.
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Wahl and Blooodman just vanished after long long time after Natsu have defeated Neinhart so it wasn't because of it. Neinhart probably was still conscious and with magic power to keep them (after all, Irene made his magic power exceed the limits!).
If Neinhart's defeat was the reason, the Historias would just vanish in the air, but they were knock out first (and only after that they vanished). Minerva defeated Wahl. Anyone with "time notion" can see that it is impossible the Historias have vanished because of Neinhart's defeated because they keep fighting for a long time after it!
Mirajane-Sayla is a weaker version of Sayla. End of history! Mirajane didn't show even be able to use macro twice on folder soldiers.
(She gave them an order, the majority obeyed it, others ignored it and she could just give another other or the same order to the ones that ignore the order first but she doesn't seem able to do it, she said that would be necessary to take them down with physical strength! What a flop! Sayla was able to give two orders at sequence even with her curse power in the end! LOL. Sayla > Mirajane-Sayla. That's why a put Sayla beyond Mirajane in the ranking).
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I like Mirajane as a character. She just isn't strong as her fans want that she was.
Magic replenishes relatively quickly, just a few hours from night to morning would do, just like with Natsu, in similar cases with Erigor and other FT members on Tenrou. We have no information that would lead to Mirajane just transforming at that moment to defeat Jacob, Neinhart has relatively lacking Durability.
It's clearly that she fought in her human form almost all the battle, she changed to SS to try to finish him and she was with few magic power to use the Take Over more time than the needed to hit a ''final blow''.
Heyne and Juliet endured the same Satan Soul with a lot of magic power to Mirajane use. Jacob is weaker than them at endurance.
He is horrible! ):
No, I'm discounting Mirajane defeating Jacob because Jacob didn't show be able to endure even 3 or 4 cuts from Kagura's sword. Just for it!
1) Why are you playing dumb? Mirajane punches and nukes can destroy a mini-mountain or even more, of course! But is it really difficult for you to understand that we're talking about punch and nuke in Mirajane's case and when we are talking about Kagura is a sword CUT? CUT! CUT! It will cut the body, open a wound, make the person bleed. CUT! A Punch didn't do this, a nuke didn't do this, that's way Kagura still above Mirajane, her fight style does more damage. Kagura with bare hands is strong enough to rival Mirajane's Take Over, once that one kick that Kagura hit Erza made the Titania be hurled for meters.
2) Mirajane blitzed Heyne and Juliet? Yes, but the two are too scared of her! Blitz opponents that were too scary to move isn't a good feat. Even August was ''too chocked'' about Gildarts figuring out the secret of his magic and didn't react Gildart's attack because of it, but it doesn't mean that August would not be able to scape if he was in his ''normal self''. Mirajane didn't blitz Jacob, she just hit an attack on him (when he was with his eye closed, how is it a blitz? LOL
Kagura reacts a surprise attack from Dimaria and blocked it! Kagura dodges Larcade's blade and was called ''fast'' by him (and her speed action was praised by Dimaria), so she IS faster than Mirajane. Mirajane never proved to be fast against strong opponents.
3) Sting was strong enough in that form to defeat the third strongest Spriggan, who was fighting with all his power, so, yes, he is strong. Far away stronger than Mirajane. Sting with DF + Rogue's shadow can compete with Erza.
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Wahl and Blooodman just vanished after long long time after Natsu have defeated Neinhart so it wasn't because of it. Neinhart probably was still conscious and with magic power to keep them (after all, Irene made his magic power exceed the limits!).
If Neinhart's defeat was the reason, the Historias would just vanish in the air, but they were knock out first (and only after that they vanished). Minerva defeated Wahl. Anyone with "time notion" can see that it is impossible the Historias have vanished because of Neinhart's defeated because they keep fighting for a long time after it!
Mirajane-Sayla is a weaker version of Sayla. End of history! Mirajane didn't show even be able to use macro twice on folder soldiers.
(She gave them an order, the majority obeyed it, others ignored it and she could just give another other or the same order to the ones that ignore the order first but she doesn't seem able to do it, she said that would be necessary to take them down with physical strength! What a flop! Sayla was able to give two orders at sequence even with her curse power in the end! LOL. Sayla > Mirajane-Sayla. That's why a put Sayla beyond Mirajane in the ranking).
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I like Mirajane as a character. She just isn't strong as her fans want that she was.
It's clearly that she fought in her human form almost all the battle, she changed to SS to try to finish him and she was with few magic power to use the Take Over more time than the needed to hit a ''final blow''.
Heyne and Juliet endured the same Satan Soul with a lot of magic power to Mirajane use. Jacob is weaker than them at endurance.
He is horrible! ):
Those feats from Kagura are laughable...... Simon is already weak as hell. Kagura one shot his HISTORIA. Not a feat. Neinhart’s squads was fodder too. Irene has the strongest squad captains ( she made them herself). They were on par with BSS. None of the other captains have those feats. Weakened Mira defeating Jacob>Kagura defeating HISTORIA SIMON? LMAO. Now you’re just being biased. So you want to discount Mira defeating the weakest Spriggan? Why? Because you like Kagura more? Still defeating the weakest Spriggan shit’s on everything Kagura has done....
1. Oh wow, she cut a small mountain? Mira can do the exact same thing with a punch...
2. Not faster than Mira. Mira blitzed Juliet and Heine and Jacob. Kagura didn’t blitz anyone. Dimaria and Larcade reacted to her speed just fine.
3. So what? Sting isn’t even that strong and I’m pretty sure he didn’t expect Kagura to send him down to his shadows.
Okay first of all that whole paragraph about Neinhart is an unreadable mess. What are you talking about? First things first, Natsu defeated Neinhart and then the next thing you know, historia Bloodman and Wahl are defeated. Neinhart isn’t dead. He didn’t die.
How... how does it not make sense that the historia’s would disappear because Neinhart was defeated? He is literally the one who made him. If the creator of the historia’s gets knocked out, they’d go. Was Larcade’s pleasure magic still on the battlefield after he was knocked out.
Doesn’t matter when Mira absorbed Seilah. Curse and magic power recharges there. Otherwise Mirajane-Seilah would have no curse power? But if Mirajane-Seilah has no curse power, how did Macro work on 30+ soldiers?
Lisanna would lose to Jacob. Let’s not even have this discussion. Lisanna did jack to Ajeel lol Elfman was the one with the sand beast.
Jacob was no match for Natsu, none at all. Doesn't matter what technique Natsu used to finish him, Jacob was a complete joke to him. Not once in Natsu's fight with Jacob did he take him seriously, including when he beat him with Demolition Fist.
And no Natsu isn't weaker now than when he beat Jacob, what an absurdly ridiculous idea. Natsu used no PoF to beat Jacob, there wasn't an ounce of urgency in the whole fight. There is absolutely no reason to believe the training Natsu did to reach his Alvarez level strength suddenly disappeared. His PoF strength? Sure. That comes and goes as it always has, but Natsu didn't use PoF against Jacob so it doesn't matter. Natsu can still oneshot Bluenote, and he can still wreck Jacob's ass.
Anyone believing Neinheart is stronger than Jacob needs their eyes checked. Jacob took multiple attacks from Natsu while enhanced Neinheart was two shotted, and Natsu needed his second strongest form to beat him.
Jacob vs Natsu and Zeref vs Natsu are the exact same thing lol. Natsu only went his different forms once he was ready to finish the fight.
Natsu was def going more serious on Jacob then he was on fodder which he was using FDK level hits on. He literary used FD level attacks on several god tiers and y'all trying to downplay Jacob with that? Lol.
For Neinhart, his durability has always been paper thin. His offense and his magic is pretty decent though. I'd put Jacob's durability around the same as Ajeel's.
For Natsu being more serious against Jacob than he was against fodders, sure. He was also more serious against Bluenote and Neinhart than he was against fodders, yet he still used a regular roar/punch on Bluenote and Neinhart rather than FDK roar/punch like he did against the Alvarez army.
Yet it was off screen most of the time and it was shown not to be recent as there were no showings of any sudden transformation, so it is very likely that she was battling him for quite a while now.
Also a single most important piece of evidence is that one’s physical strength is reliant on their magic power as well, proof is when Natsu, Wendy were in Edolas, cut off from using any magic, and they could not defeat one single Edolas soldier,
NOT, ONE.
So yes, she did regain much of her magic power in just a few hours to even put up a fight. Again, Heyne and Juliet are enchantments of Irene, so they would very likely be the strongest of subordinates. But still no proof that Mira just transformed into Satan Soul recently
Natsu used a no name attack against Bluenote, that means he was not serious, if he used a named spell, he would put more effort into his attacks, and yes, Neinhart has proven to have little durability,
MP recovery varies massively, and physical injury takes as much of a toll on fighting ability as low MP. For example, Lucy stated she replenished almost all her MP just before she faced Hades, after saying in a previous fight that she was completely out of magic power, so it took her only a few hours to recover at most. While on the other hand Erza was stated to still be weakened against Neinhart following her battle with Ajeel, despite having a full nights sleep and prob about another day of travel time to recover in between the two fights.
In short, recovery after a battle for FT members varies by a lot, maybe if you have more MP it takes longer to recover or something. Though much more likely, recovery depends on what's convenient for Mashima. It's reasonable to assume Mira was low on MP considering she entered battle in base mode, she prob had time to recover a bit of it though thanks to Jacob running into trees and stuff.
No, I'm discounting Mirajane defeating Jacob because Jacob didn't show be able to endure even 3 or 4 cuts from Kagura's sword. Just for it!
1) Why are you playing dumb? Mirajane punches and nukes can destroy a mini-mountain or even more, of course! But is it really difficult for you to understand that we're talking about punch and nuke in Mirajane's case and when we are talking about Kagura is a sword CUT? CUT! CUT! It will cut the body, open a wound, make the person bleed. CUT! A Punch didn't do this, a nuke didn't do this, that's way Kagura still above Mirajane, her fight style does more damage. Kagura with bare hands is strong enough to rival Mirajane's Take Over, once that one kick that Kagura hit Erza made the Titania be hurled for meters.
2) Mirajane blitzed Heyne and Juliet? Yes, but the two are too scared of her! Blitz opponents that were too scary to move isn't a good feat. Even August was ''too chocked'' about Gildarts figuring out the secret of his magic and didn't react Gildart's attack because of it, but it doesn't mean that August would not be able to scape if he was in his ''normal self''. Mirajane didn't blitz Jacob, she just hit an attack on him (when he was with his eye closed, how is it a blitz? LOL
Kagura reacts a surprise attack from Dimaria and blocked it! Kagura dodges Larcade's blade and was called ''fast'' by him (and her speed action was praised by Dimaria), so she IS faster than Mirajane. Mirajane never proved to be fast against strong opponents.
3) Sting was strong enough in that form to defeat the third strongest Spriggan, who was fighting with all his power, so, yes, he is strong. Far away stronger than Mirajane. Sting with DF + Rogue's shadow can compete with Erza.
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Wahl and Blooodman just vanished after long long time after Natsu have defeated Neinhart so it wasn't because of it. Neinhart probably was still conscious and with magic power to keep them (after all, Irene made his magic power exceed the limits!).
If Neinhart's defeat was the reason, the Historias would just vanish in the air, but they were knock out first (and only after that they vanished). Minerva defeated Wahl. Anyone with "time notion" can see that it is impossible the Historias have vanished because of Neinhart's defeated because they keep fighting for a long time after it!
Mirajane-Sayla is a weaker version of Sayla. End of history! Mirajane didn't show even be able to use macro twice on folder soldiers.
(She gave them an order, the majority obeyed it, others ignored it and she could just give another other or the same order to the ones that ignore the order first but she doesn't seem able to do it, she said that would be necessary to take them down with physical strength! What a flop! Sayla was able to give two orders at sequence even with her curse power in the end! LOL. Sayla > Mirajane-Sayla. That's why a put Sayla beyond Mirajane in the ranking).
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I like Mirajane as a character. She just isn't strong as her fans want that she was.
It's clearly that she fought in her human form almost all the battle, she changed to SS to try to finish him and she was with few magic power to use the Take Over more time than the needed to hit a ''final blow''.
Heyne and Juliet endured the same Satan Soul with a lot of magic power to Mirajane use. Jacob is weaker than them at endurance.
He is horrible! ):
You can’t ignore canon feats. They literally happened in the story. Mirajane>Kagura BASED ON FEATS
Your cut bullshit is retarded. A cut opens a wound! A cut makes you bleed! Okay? What’s your point? How does Kagura using a sword put her above Mira? You think Kagura is better because she can cut skin with a knife? What?
Dimaria and Larcade literally have no speed feats and were never blitzed by Kagura.
Sting is not stronger than Mira LMAO. He had every advantage against Larcade. He had Kagura and Rogue help him, he could eat Larcade’s magic and he could even cancel it. Sting beat Larcade because he got extremely lucky. Unless you think STING is Spriggan level? Lmao. Sting is fodder.
Mirajane-Seilah isn’t weaker. Same demon, same strength. Show me Seilah using Macro on more than 30 people at once. She never did.
Jacob was fighting human Mira for half the war. Mira as a human can still physically fight. She definitely landed hits on him when the fight was off screen. She just used BSS to finish him off.
The thing is there is a difference between being serious and going all out natsu was serious vs Jacob but wasn’t going all out. Once again zeref is fodder I don’t why people think he so powerful he had fh but was oneshotted by base natsu. I mean zeref though out the series wasn’t impressive at all he did was killed wounded/injured characters that were out of MP or wasn’t tryna fight him. Immortality is the reason why he is considered a top tier. 2. FDKM is mode that make natsu stronger I don’t know why people don’t see its kind of common sense that it’s a power up that upgrades his attack power I mean come on now this is shounen last and finally mira>kagura that isn’t a debate kagura couldn’t do anything against a spriggan meanwhile Mira could that alone is proof she above kagura
For physical injury varies as well, I mean it is only significant if the injury is too serious like with Erza’s Leg in GMG. But I mean the standard time for full recovery of magic is usually a few hours. However, it as still at night when Mirajane used her magic power, but then it was likely late morning or early noon when she started fighting, which was plenty of time to recover her magic power significantly, just like with Natsu, lost his magic late at night and recovered in the morning during GMG
Neinhart is stronger than Jacob when the last one is without using his magic and with closed eye!!
Jacob has hax! If he uses it, he wins. When we're talking about the level of endurance they're quite even. Neinhart really survived an attack from Jellal with killing intent, Jacob didn't show to able do endure the explosive punches that Natsu hit Neinhart to defeat him. LOL
Using all powers: Jacob> Neinhart.
Comparing the situation that Neinhart ''fought'' Brandish, Lucy, Natsu and Happy and the situation of Jacob vs Mirajane, that Neinhart >>>> Jacob.
You can’t ignore canon feats. They literally happened in the story. Mirajane>Kagura BASED ON FEATS
Your cut bullshit is retarded. A cut opens a wound! A cut makes you bleed! Okay? What’s your point? How does Kagura using a sword put her above Mira? You think Kagura is better because she can cut skin with a knife? What?
Dimaria and Larcade literally have no speed feats and were never blitzed by Kagura.
Sting is not stronger than Mira LMAO. He had every advantage against Larcade. He had Kagura and Rogue help him, he could eat Larcade’s magic and he could even cancel it. Sting beat Larcade because he got extremely lucky. Unless you think STING is Spriggan level? Lmao. Sting is fodder.
Mirajane-Seilah isn’t weaker. Same demon, same strength. Show me Seilah using Macro on more than 30 people at once. She never did.
Jacob was fighting human Mira for half the war. Mira as a human can still physically fight. She definitely landed hits on him when the fight was off screen. She just used BSS to finish him off.
Feats? No feats, Mirajane didn't show anything good after Tenrou Island. Her fights against Sayla, Heyne and Juliet and nerfed Jacob weren't good to her at all.
I will not read all of your post because you're in denial. Sting with Rogue's power was stronger than Mirajane already in Tartarus arc, he and Rogue were able to defeat a demon officially above any other besides Mard Geer and Mirajane wasn't able to defeat Sayla in a physical fight, so, again: Sting Dragon Force + Shadow power is far beyond Mirajane.
You can not change the manga feats.
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Zeref isn't a fodder. The thing is: Natsu at the beginning of every arc doesn't fight so good as he fights at the end of the same arc. Natsu clearly was stronger when he fought Zeref than he was in all last arc. The same way that Natsu was stronger against Mardgeer that when he fought Tempester (and didn't any damage in his opponent).
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Erza does the same thing, the Erza who fought Ajeel isn't stronger as the Erza who fought Irene. Of course, not!
If she was able to destroy a giant meteor, one or two hits of her cuts with that strength would split Ajeel's body. She can't do that level of cut that she used against the meteor easily, probably is all of her strength + high level of magic power in that level of cut.
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Natsu was trying to not damage the guild when fought Jacob. You can't compare this with Natsu going all against Zeref. Natsu wasn't strong against Jacob as when he was when fought Zeref.
The thing is there is a difference between being serious and going all out natsu was serious vs Jacob but wasn’t going all out. Once again zeref is fodder I don’t why people think he so powerful he had fh but was oneshotted by base natsu. I mean zeref though out the series wasn’t impressive at all he did was killed wounded/injured characters that were out of MP or wasn’t tryna fight him. Immortality is the reason why he is considered a top tier. 2. FDKM is mode that make natsu stronger I don’t know why people don’t see its kind of common sense that it’s a power up that upgrades his attack power I mean come on now this is shounen last and finally mira>kagura that isn’t a debate kagura couldn’t do anything against a spriggan meanwhile Mira could that alone is proof she above kagura
I don't agree with Zeref being fodder, he was matching Natsu with Ig boost while not even trying. Dude is just not a H2H beast which is why it was stupid he kept going H2H despite having every Black art under his belt and he had really good hax. Literally gains control of all space and time and has infinite stamina yet he goes fisticuffs? Literally could have just dodged Natsu's SF Demo-fist and struck him with a time or space attack from long range. There wasn't really any thinking in the last battle with Zeref. His loss was bs lol.
Agreed with everything else tho.
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Jacob took more than two shots from Natsu and he didn't need to be enhanced to take a hit lol. Brandish didn't even attack Neinheart, she tried to MM him and it failed due to the enchantment and then she stood there... Lucy also didn't try to attack him either and just stood there. Jacob fought both Natsu and Lucy at the same time and Lucy was actively participating in the fight.
Natsu was doing the same thing in the Zeref fight as he did with Jacob. The only difference is he went DF instead of FDKM.
he did use his magic though, as even physical strength still has magic, the MPF confirms this, Jacob even managed to endure a punch from
Natsu not holding back when a regular DF killed a giant war god. while a regular FDK techique managed to scortch a mage that was durability based hax while Jacob did not get burned by Natsu with FDKM + DF
I don't agree with Zeref being fodder, he was matching Natsu with Ig boost while not even trying. Dude is just not a H2H beast which is why it was stupid he kept going H2H despite having every Black art under his belt and he had really good hax. Literally gains control of all space and time and has infinite stamina yet he goes fisticuffs? Literally could have just dodged Natsu's SF Demo-fist and struck him with a time or space attack from long range. There wasn't really any thinking in the last battle with Zeref. His loss was bs lol.
Agreed with everything else tho.
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Jacob took more than two shots from Natsu and he didn't need to be enhanced to take a hit lol. Brandish didn't even attack Neinheart, she tried to MM him and it failed due to the enchantment and then she stood there... Lucy also didn't try to attack him either and just stood there. Jacob fought both Natsu and Lucy at the same time and Lucy was actively participating in the fight.
Natsu was doing the same thing in the Zeref fight as he did with Jacob. The only difference is he went DF instead of FDKM.
What are zerefs offensive feat thought out the series that u can say “wow that a strong feat” 2. Him tanking natsu hits is cause of his immortality that about it
Neinhart is stronger than Jacob when the last one is without using his magic and with closed eye!!
Jacob has hax! If he uses it, he wins. When we're talking about the level of endurance they're quite even. Neinhart really survived an attack from Jellal with killing intent, Jacob didn't show to able do endure the explosive punches that Natsu hit Neinhart to defeat him. LOL
Using all powers: Jacob> Neinhart.
Comparing the situation that Neinhart ''fought'' Brandish, Lucy, Natsu and Happy and the situation of Jacob vs Mirajane, that Neinhart >>>> Jacob.
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Feats? No feats, Mirajane didn't show anything good after Tenrou Island. Her fights against Sayla, Heyne and Juliet and nerfed Jacob weren't good to her at all.
I will not read all of your post because you're in denial. Sting with Rogue's power was stronger than Mirajane already in Tartarus arc, he and Rogue were able to defeat a demon officially above any other besides Mard Geer and Mirajane wasn't able to defeat Sayla in a physical fight, so, again: Sting Dragon Force + Shadow power is far beyond Mirajane.
You can not change the manga feats.
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Zeref isn't a fodder. The thing is: Natsu at the beginning of every arc doesn't fight so good as he fights at the end of the same arc. Natsu clearly was stronger when he fought Zeref than he was in all last arc. The same way that Natsu was stronger against Mardgeer that when he fought Tempester (and didn't any damage in his opponent).
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Erza does the same thing, the Erza who fought Ajeel isn't stronger as the Erza who fought Irene. Of course, not!
If she was able to destroy a giant meteor, one or two hits of her cuts with that strength would split Ajeel's body. She can't do that level of cut that she used against the meteor easily, probably is all of her strength + high level of magic power in that level of cut.
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Natsu was trying to not damage the guild when fought Jacob. You can't compare this with Natsu going all against Zeref. Natsu wasn't strong against Jacob as when he was when fought Zeref.
Sorry u ain’t gonna tell me sting and rogue individually is stronger than Mirajane that’s crazy. Minerva father was fodder to begin with he isn’t the strongest in the DG silver oneshot him sayla Macro him kyoka destroys him he isnt that powerful
What are zerefs offensive feat thought out the series that u can say “wow that a strong feat” 2. Him tanking natsu hits is cause of his immortality that about it
He can stop time on the dime lol. Every Black Magic we saw in the series, Zeref can use. His oneshot death magic he can use once he forgets life. Can drain magic as shown with Mavis. Literally eye flicks DF Natsu while Natsu charged him with full force.
He was also matching IgNatsu blow for blow while not trying to kill Natsu bcs Zeref wanted to see if Natsu could kill him.
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Jeimma strongest of the 9D... you seriously believed that? Lol Silver, Kyouka, and Seilah would have dominated him. Tempester, Torfuza, and Jackal have better feats then Jeimma and would beat him with their feats.
