Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

 

[WoWfan]

So then, standard DE scale to around Makarov level

 

[Axiomus]

What is this? Even if you argue that Acnologia is not a real dragon, he's not entirely a regular human either. He's somewhere between both, and he is strong because of his qualities as a dragon. Everything strong about Acnologia has to do with his powers as a dragon. His motion sickness is his one weakness. It's not what is making him the strongest. His ability to turn into a top tier dragon is.

There are 5 other dragons on Acnologia's level. There are no other humans on Acnologia's level. Clearly dragons are stronger than humans as a species if the only way to surpass a top tier dragons is to do what Acnologia did, and become a top tier dragon yourself. Clearly dragons are superior to the Spriggans if there are 5 dragons running around that are on Acnologia's level. Each god dragon can solo the Alvarez Empire if they're as strong as Acnologia.

 

[atlantisreturns]

@August_Lightning WoWfan doesn't explain properly due to his bad English. I'll explain.

DE's scale to Makarov level.

Kyria is the weakest DE.

Kyria oneshotted Lucy.

Lucy tanked multiple punches from Jacob without scratch or inconvenience.

Mira had extreme diff against Jacob.

Makarov >>>>>>>>>> Lucy >>>>>>> Mira.

Tl,dr: Mira is fodder.

 

[WoWfan]

Not saying he wasn’t fully human either, that he is still a DS they are in the between, even if he turns into a dragon, that does not get rid of his weakness, dragons are not superior to all humans as even humans can kill dragons, Spriggans have shown better feats than Most dragons did, even fresh dragons could not kill a bunch of wizards that are weakened prior from prolonged battle. Even hindered by spears, or taken over by spells that is not from Rogue. Acno commended on Irene‘s magic power, so it would be a mid diff fight if that were the case

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@August_Lightning WoWfan doesn't explain properly due to his bad English. I'll explain.

DE's scale to Makarov level.

Kyria is the weakest DE.

Kyria oneshotted Lucy.

Lucy tanked multiple punches from Jacob without scratch or inconvenience.

Mira had extreme diff against Jacob.

Makarov >>>>>>>>>> Lucy >>>>>>> Mira.

Tl,dr: Mira is fodder.

Wow, your attempt to explain is just bad, just piss poor awful, simply put, Lucy was injured in more ways and would have been killed by Jacob with one knife yet Kyria could not kill Lucy with many. So Kyria is weaker than Jacob. and Mira was not Holding back once she was alone with her enemy.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Slayer advantage doesn't make any difference. I already posted this , but seems I got ignored. The reason Irene got oneshotted out of her dragon form are 3 reasons :

1) Irene was like 75% injured in her human form , the damage done to the human form translates to the dragon transformation. Her dragon form was also equally injured even when she just transformed. I highly doubt she would've been oneshotted had she gone for dragon transformation right off the bat in the start.

2) Her durability is most probably weaker than August. She trumps him in the offense section , so for them to be equal , she has to be weaker in the durability section.

3) Erza was on PoF at that time.

What you're implying literally doesn't make any sense. You're implying that Irene is a below average dragon. Which doesn't make sense because :

1) Irene is the daughter of Belserion , who was a Sage Dragon. The title itself implies that he should be an above average dragon at least , since there's no point in the title if there are thousands of sage dragons over there.

2) Belserion was likely the strongest in his country , since he was the one helping Irene rule over the country and his portrayal in verse. Dragon Irene should be as strong as Belserion. If Irene is an below average dragon , the dragons in Dragnof would have to be absolute fodders. Which doesn't make sense , because if they were absolute fodders , then from where did they get the guts to protect humans from the Western dragons ?

3) Irene took down a few dragons in the war and lived to tell the tale.

This is just ridiculous downplay at this point. Do remember the human dragon slayers 400 years ago took down dragons themselves. And before you say that was a war period so people were stronger , the low ethernano levels compensate for that inequality. Implying dragons are weak to their own power enchanted into humans is ridiculous tbf. It would mean that Dragon Irene can oneshot dragons tiers above her too since she too is a dragon slayer. I don't buy for a second that their own power enchanted into humans would somehow be their weakness. And before you do ,don't compare Dragon Slaying to Devil Slaying , because Devil Slayers use a type of magic , whereas all others demons use curses , it isn't their own power used against them.

Animus might've been just one of the stronger dragons. You're assuming he was an average dragon. Also , Natsu didn't get the chance to use any of his FDK spells on Animus so we don't know how he could've fared against them. Also , he was oneshot by DF Natsu when Natsu landed a clean hit on him. Earlier all he did was push Animus in the air with physical attacks. When he used an actual magic punch , he straight-up overpowered his dragon cry amped roar and oneshotted him.

But Irene definitely isn't a below average dragon in any universe. I do think she doesn't hold candle to high tier dragons like parent dragons , but doesn't mean she's below average dragons.

sure but she was still one shotted by a complete broken Erza though.

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btw, is Ars Magia even that impressive???
it might be country level but apparently it can be blocked

 

[Jko]

1. Acno is Dragon. That's like not even up for debate. He is just not a pure Dragon like Igneel or the DGs so he gets motion sick.

2. Animus isn't stronger than Irene. He got beat by Natsu without even using his Igneel mark. He didn't even make the mark go haywire either (IIRC) like when Natsu met Brandish so that means his MP < Spriggan. Him being a Dragon is the only reason I see him beating any S12 bar the two DS and Zeref in a fight.

3. This thread is about as mess as the Alvarez's PL lol.

 

[Ratrace]

Not sure what you mean there, I mean the past enemies had more trouble against weaker versions than the current protagonists

Because I'm not basing it on power scale between the antagonists but which of them did the best in their arc where they were the main

 

[Demon Hunter]

if you take Hiro's statement at face value then Spriggans > Acnologia.

I can understand Spriggans >>> Zeref (his shit feats outnumbers his "high" end feats and his hype) but Acno???



we are all fools

now we know the real reason why August stopped Jacob from attacking Acnologia.
that knife which can cut dimensions would slice Acno in half

 

[Jko]

Who can touch Wraith?

I was inspired by @grey matter's post in the Wraith vs Gray thread so I wonder what your guys full thoughts on who can potentially touch him, who can touch him by feats and who are big wigs that cannot touch him at all?

 

[Verter]

Wow.......and I thought @Verter and his English skills were bad.

What have I done now ?

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@August_Lightning WoWfan doesn't explain properly due to his bad English. I'll explain.

DE's scale to Makarov level.

Kyria is the weakest DE.

Kyria oneshotted Lucy.

Lucy tanked multiple punches from Jacob without scratch or inconvenience.

Mira had extreme diff against Jacob.

Makarov >>>>>>>>>> Lucy >>>>>>> Mira.

Tl,dr: Mira is fodder.

Lucy was not his primary target, while Mira was.

Alvarez reached its apex with PoF, plot and other BS issues. In sequel team Natsu don't overcome anything. So, they're weaker.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Lucy was not his primary target, while Mira was.

Alvarez reached its apex with PoF, plot and other BS issues. In sequel team Natsu don't overcome anything. So, they're weaker.

incredibly good analogy.

your debating skills have no equal

 

[WoWfan]

if you take Hiro's statement at face value then Spriggans > Acnologia.

I can understand Spriggans >>> Zeref (his shit feats outnumbers his "high" end feats and his hype) but Acno???



we are all fools

now we know the real reason why August stopped Jacob from attacking Acnologia.
that knife which can cut dimensions would slice Acno in half

He never said Acno was weaker than Spriggans, heck he said Spriggans are stronger than most villains in the series, that excludes even Zeref, I do not even know why you think Jacob‘s knife can cut dimensions

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Because I'm not basing it on power scale between the antagonists but which of them did the best in their arc where they were the main

That would mean that the Spriggan did best in the Arc which had better feats than most villains in the series

 

[Demon Hunter]

He never said Acno was weaker than Spriggans, heck he said Spriggans are stronger than most villains in the series, that excludes even Zeref, I do not even know why you think Jacob‘s knife can cut dimensions

Spoiler

12 strongest characters in history.

Spriggans >>> Acno

deal with it.

 

[WoWfan]

12 strongest characters in history.

Spriggans >>> Acno

deal with it.

Your image is broken, also, he said toughest enemies, that includes Zeref and Acnologi, then he said enemy bosses which are the 12 which are the strongest (this excludes Zeref and Acno), boss being related to miniboss like in a video game which Zeref and Acno are the final boss.

 

[Verter]

12 strongest characters in history.

Spriggans >>> Acno

deal with it.

Jean Gray, your skills in eglisch even worse then my.

Take look on context:

We've broken into Alvarez arc... we're going to bring you battles with toughest enemies we've ever seen... Maybe this will even lead to the final battle with Zeref... The enemy boss characters are also ...

Even we my bad eglisch I pretty clear see it said Spriggans are toughest enemies from all we faced and dealt before.
Yes, it's like it.

Furthermore, Hiro was not sure for 1st point he would dealt thing with Zeref (so as well with Acno /because Dragon King festival/) in that arc,

 

[Xzilerate]

It doesn't matter what Acnologia is. His massive power comes from his dragon powers, not human ones. Dragons are the pinnacle species in FT. The only pure human wizards that can potentially rival a dragon are August and Zeref and they're the absolute top tier in regards to human wizards and they're a joke to the absolute top tier dragons (Acnologia, Igneel, and DGs). They could only potentially rival your average dragon.

 

[WoWfan]

His dragon powers are still his Dragon Slayer powers, dragons are not the pinnacle as they can be killed like any other creature can. It is stated and shown that Spriggans can out perform most dragons, even fresh dragons could not even kill a single human or even weakened wizards

 

[Xzilerate]

Dragon Slayer powers are just dragon powers enchanted into a human aka still dragon powers. This is explicitly said during the Irene/Belserion flashback. You're being deliberately obtuse. Pinnacle doesn't mean unable to be killed. It means on average they're stronger than every other species in the series and they are. No average human is fighting and beating a average dragon and no top tier human is fighting and beating a top tier dragon.

 

[WoWfan]

As long as you know it is DS powers, then fine, that does nto being on average means, only a very select few are considered stronger than the rest which are the 5DG and likely Igneel. We have seen Dragons downed by regular human weapons such as spears, even when weakened, no fresh dragon were able to kill any one of them