Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Verter]

August's negate comes after copying the magic, and he can copy any caster magic. Dragon Slaying Magic is caster magic. The only reason he may not be able to negate Dragon Force is because it's a transformation on a person's body, and we've never seen August simply negate someone's magic inside their bodies. He's just negated attacks as they were about to touch him.

I see no reason he can't copy, and negate, Natsu's flames the same way he negates Cana's Fairy Glitter. He just wouldn't be able to negate Natsu's physical strength unless he negates the Dragon Force itself.

Curses have caster-type nature too, but it's not even magic.

Well, my point a view based on 2nd "core" issue. August is able to copy magic which are based on pure ether manipulation (don't require items like Holder-type, don't require "2nd core" like seeds).

P.S. "1st core" is be mage itself..

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Well, if August is actually able to copy DS magic, when we need reconsider all ppl posts in Irene vs Wendy topic about "why Irene is not able to use Wendy enchants (because it's Sky DS exclusive)" and give justice Irene as Great Enchanter.

 

[Axiomus]

Curses have caster-type nature too, but it's not even magic.

Well, my point a view based on 2nd "core" issue. August is able to copy magic which are based on pure ether manipulation (don't require items like Holder-type, don't require "2nd core" like seeds).

P.S. "1st core" is be mage itself..

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Well, if August is actually able to copy DS magic, when we need reconsider all ppl posts in Irene vs Wendy topic about "why Irene is not able to use Wendy enchants (because it's Sky DS exclusive)" and give justice Irene as Great Enchanter.

So? August copies magic. Specifically any magic that is not holder magic.

August is able to copy DS magic because his ability is to copy magic. If he finds someone who uses a particular type of magic, he can copy it. He doesn't just know every type of magic by default. Irene's knows enchant, but it's highly unlikely that she knows every single type of enchantment. This is because all types of dragon slaying magic is an enchantment, so saying that Irene can use every single enchantment would be saying Irene can use every single type of dragon slaying magic. If Wendy is only able to cast some enchantments because it's part of the spells that Grandeeney taught her, unless Irene shows the same spell we can't assume she automatically knows it.

 

[Verter]

So? August copies magic. Specifically any magic that is not holder magic.

August is able to copy DS magic because his ability is to copy magic. If he finds someone who uses a particular type of magic, he can copy it. He doesn't just know every type of magic by default. Irene's knows enchant, but it's highly unlikely that she knows every single type of enchantment. This is because all types of dragon slaying magic is an enchantment, so saying that Irene can use every single enchantment would be saying Irene can use every single type of dragon slaying magic.

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If Wendy is only able to cast some enchantments because it's part of the spells that Grandeeney taught her, unless Irene shows the same spell we can't assume she automatically knows it.

Wendy was able insta "re-copy" her versions of same enchant spell. Irene as Great Enchanter if it's not restricted (because here should be same rule with August copy magic) should also be able to cast her own version of enchant spell after she seen it.

So, in that case, Irene should be able to "re-copy" every one Wendy enchant spell (as enchanter of higher tier then Wendy).

Why you picked another postilion in analogue case? Well, maybe because to wait objective post by you like wait snow in Sahara.

 

[Axiomus]

Wendy was able insta "re-copy" her versions of same enchant spell. Irene as Great Enchanter if it's not restricted (because here should be same rule with August copy magic) should also be able to cast her own version of enchant spell after she seen it.

So, in that case, Irene should be able to "re-copy" every one Wendy enchant spell (as enchanter of higher tier then Wendy).

Why you picked another postilion in analogue case? Well, maybe because to wait objective post by you like wait snow in Sahara.

That doesn't prove that Wendy copied Irene's magic. It just means that Wendy also knew how to use deus zero. Wendy isn't able to copy magic at all.

 

[GL_Nova]

Negating FG shows he can negate spells he can’t cast.

 

[alekos23]

It's just light(?) magic in the end, makes sense that he can.

 

[WoWfan]

It's just light(?) magic in the end, makes sense that he can.

And from an external source

 

[sharkai]

Yeah sure, I don't know how to quantify POF, but I have reasons to believe POF can't close the gap if the difference in power is too high. Case in point, Mard vs DF Natsu. DF Natsu was amped on POF and didn't manage to even remotely damage Mard. All it did was surprise and anger him. He shrugged it off and was about to finish off Natsu. Another example would be Gildarts's most powerful attack being shrugged off by August.
POF can't close huge gaps in power.

Azuma was slashed multiple times before as well. And the tree guild power was boosting Erza as well, in the final attack.

Ikaruga might have been a glass canon lol. And she was underestimating Erza, so her defense might have been low.

Until now, almost all instances of POF were useful in defeating a stronger opponent, but those relatively near our protagonists. POF managed to overcome, say 20% difference in power level and defeat the opponent.

But we've seen that actual powerups like LFD, DF etc allows the user to jump up a tier or more. Which makes me think POF is < actual powerups.



I was talking about why we (I mean people discussing in this forum) was bringing up Eileen example. This is useful in showing how powerful Merc is, compared to team Natsu. Because DS imbued attacks from team Natsu did absolute jack to Merc with < 50% of his power. While Erza, with broken bones, one shotted Eileen's dragon form, once she got DS powers.
Nerfed Merc >>>> Eileen. I don't understand why there is any doubt regarding this. By feats (as me, @Axiomus and few others explained) OR by hype (by hype, Merc's stats are on Acno tier. Even if Merc is nerfed to only 1/3rd of his full power, he's still LEAGUES ahead of Zeref, Eileen, August etc. He can one shot any of them)

Mashima has always worked in the mindset that slayer advantage = massive boost in damage output. We saw this with demons, dragons and Gods.

I thought mard was screaming when df natsu hit him, but i dont remember
i do remember pof natsu punched fuked up jellal, so that is a huge jump. (pof natsu=df natsu, in speed and in strength for that second)
gildarts wasnt pof case
azuma and ikugura all fell moment pof hit, so no quantifying here
so no pof<actual power up
(in mishma mind actual power up<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<NAKAMAAAAAAAA)

i already agree merc>>irene

that is very bad point, erza is stronger than what fans think of her, and pof was also there.
lucky for us we can quantify this pof (because we have feats comparing it with Springgans strongest moves)

No natsu included
Crippled erza with wendy ds covering=>Crippled erza (or pof erza)>Deus Sema (August and Irene top tier move)>>Dragon Irene Claw>>Gildarts prosthetic punch thingy>Laxus pof reiko=>Gray Ice gauntlet fist>>Jellal dark sky GC>>laxus causal nuke

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LoL.

Irene is, at best, on the level of GMG Dragons.

irene is far above gmg dragons
gmg drgaons has no feast comparable to irene

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Parent dragons would stomp the average Spriggans (like Jacob), and are much stronger than the average dragons. Parent dragons flew around the continent and defeated a weapon system that is capable of defeating every mage within Ishgal. They were so powerful that face could not completely drain their powers when it had already done so to all the mages in Ishgal. They achieved a feat which Makarov considered using Fairy Heart to accomplish.

The spawns from one GMG dragon killed half the people in Fairy Tail, and would have killed Erza too if Jellal hadn't saved him. Only reason the GMG dragons didn't kill anybody is because they never seriously attacked anybody. If they roared at someone the same way Motherglare's dragon spawns did, they would have obliterated them.

Natsu had a huge hole in him, that literally healed up after he got flashbacks from drinking Lucy's tears. I don't think Lucy had healing tears. I think those tears triggered some POF, and that ended up healing Natsu. The fact that Jacob's knife melted against Natsu's skin is already a fail. That makes it objectively worse than stuff like Gajeel's iron godsword, who can cut Natsu despite him having his defenses up. Gajeel's iron godsword did objectively worse than Animus impaling Natsu.

Lol....If you think Happy and Natsu can zip around the continent and wipe out all 3000 faces after it's already been activated, you clearly did not read the Tartaros arc. The entirety of Fairy Tail can't even destroy 3000 faces even if it wasn't activated. The fact that Makarov thinks it was necessary to use Fairy Heart to stop the face says it all. Face is a magic that negates other magic. It has magic power, and I've already shown you what that magic power looks like when it explodes (I'll show it again below). The parent dragons destroyed this magic power over 750 times each (3000 faces split among 4 dragons).

The roars from Motherglare's spawns poked holes everybody. Unless you think Motherglare herself is weaker than her own spawns, then her mountain sized roar would have pretty much obliterated anyone it hit. None of the GMG dragons were defeated except Motherglare, who only went down because Natsu had Atlas Flame's fire. They went back to their own times because the Eclipse was destroyed.

I guess you think Natsu can just walk off getting impaled. I guess he would have walked off getting impaled by Zeref even if Lucy didn't rewrite his book. This is my cue to stop.

fly feat is bull
aconologia had trouble flying back after irene chucked his a$$ out the battle field.
also seeing how natsu one shot bluenote (gmg jura equivalent maybe), parents dragon powers might not be that higher than your average springgans

and also wanted to add Wahl etherion is indeed featless, just like august Ars magia or that suicide move (we only saw it effecting magnolia). and no dragon has country level feat either.

 

[Axiomus]

fly feat is bull
aconologia had trouble flying back after irene chucked his a$$ out the battle field.
also seeing how natsu one shot bluenote (gmg jura equivalent maybe), parents dragon powers might not be that higher than your average springgans

and also wanted to add Wahl etherion is indeed featless, just like august Ars magia or that suicide move (we only saw it effecting magnolia). and no dragon has country level feat either.

The parent dragons destroying face is a perfectly legitimate feat. Acnologia was in his human form, and he was under no obligation to hurry. Just because Acnologia in his human form took his sweet time, that doesn't mean the parent dragon's feats of destroying face goes out the window. By the way, the speed of flying across Ishgal isn't what made the parent dragons feats so impressive. It's the fact that they were able to use magic even after face activated. The dragons had so much power that face couldn't drain them completely.

The parent dragons are far stronger than the average Spriggans. I'll ask you the same question that I asked WowFan: Do you think anyone else can fly across Ishgal and wipe out over 700 faces in the span of a couple minutes after it's been activated? Since you're saying the average Spriggan are on the level of the parent dragons, let's use Jacob as an example. Or better yet, let's use enchanted Neinhart as an example. He was actually enchanted to be stronger than the average Spriggan. I don't think they can even destroy 1 face after activation.

Acnologia destroyed a country before. Ignia destroyed several. You are correct that no average dragons destroyed a country before, but I'm not claiming they did. You guys are the ones saying that the Spriggans have country busting feats. They do not.

 

[WoWfan]

Actually there was no confirmation Acno did destroy a country, just that an average dragon did

amd no visual evidence that average/parent dragons are stronger than the likes of the Spriggans

 

[sharkai]

The parent dragons destroying face is a perfectly legitimate feat. Acnologia was in his human form, and he was under no obligation to hurry. Just because Acnologia in his human form took his sweet time, that doesn't mean the parent dragon's feats of destroying face goes out the window. By the way, the speed of flying across Ishgal isn't what made the parent dragons feats so impressive. It's the fact that they were able to use magic even after face activated. The dragons had so much power that face couldn't drain them completely.

The parent dragons are far stronger than the average Spriggans. I'll ask you the same question that I asked WowFan: Do you think anyone else can fly across Ishgal and wipe out over 700 faces in the span of a couple minutes after it's been activated? Since you're saying the average Spriggan are on the level of the parent dragons, let's use Jacob as an example. Or better yet, let's use enchanted Neinhart as an example. He was actually enchanted to be stronger than the average Spriggan. I don't think they can even destroy 1 face after activation.

Acnologia destroyed a country before. Ignia destroyed several. You are correct that no average dragons destroyed a country before, but I'm not claiming they did. You guys are the ones saying that the Spriggans have country busting feats. They do not.

Apparently aconologia cant either. Thats a fact, whether you like it or not. No excuses required

There is a huge gap between tartaros natsu and alverzec natsu. So destroying face isnt as impressive as one shotting bluenote
I dont know how much difference is between jacob or parents dragons. There is no good way to compare them
Springgans are strong, so are parent dragons . That is all we know

 

[Demon Hunter]

irene is far above gmg dragons
gmg drgaons has no feast comparable to irene

LMAO don't make me laugh fam.

Actually there was no confirmation Acno did destroy a country, just that an average dragon did

amd no visual evidence that average/parent dragons are stronger than the likes of the Spriggans

no visual evidence of Spriggans being country level as well

 

[Crimson Ice]

Parent dragons have the best speed feat in the manga by far and are immune to most magic. Parent dragons flatten any Spriggan not named August. And in this case, I’m separating Igneel from the parent dragon even though he’s apart of them, because he murders anyone who’s not Acnologia or the Dragon Gods.

 

[WoWfan]

Parent Dragons best speed is only flight speed, even then, they do not even beat light speed feats which characters can react to and dodge.

Jean, Irene, August, Wall, and the rest scale to each other, yeah, Spriggans are country level

 

[Axiomus]

Apparently aconologia cant either. Thats a fact, whether you like it or not. No excuses required

There is a huge gap between tartaros natsu and alverzec natsu. So destroying face isnt as impressive as one shotting bluenote
I dont know how much difference is between jacob or parents dragons. There is no good way to compare them
Springgans are strong, so are parent dragons . That is all we know

Acnologia can destroy the faces in his dragon form, because he's stronger than them. Just not in his human form. Even if you make the argument the parent dragons are faster, which they probably aren't, Acnologia would still achieve the feat just in less time.

You mean to tell me oneshotting Bluenote is more impressive than wiping out all the faces from Ishgal? Do you believe Natsu can run around Ishgal and wipe out all the faces after it's been activated and draining Natsu's magic? Do you think Natsu would do to the parent dragons what he did to Jacob? That the passive heat from FDK mode would cause the parent dragons to burn up without the flames even toughing them, and that a single demolition fist would take them out? Or that Natsu can two-shot one of the parent dragons the same way he did to Neinhart with regular punches?

 

[WoWfan]

Faces do not scale to actual stats, it is just hax, even when converted to an actual bomb they do not scale to country level,

quick question, which is faster, sub-relativistic or Light speed? That should give you a perspective of things.

Invel already proved Spriggans can scale to it, Jacob was just not able to fight back when that happened. Even Igneel’s power reacted to their presence obviously

 

[Axiomus]

Face has magic power, and I've already shown you what that magic power is capable of. Destroying the magic behind those faces is the equivalent of overpowering a city-sized explosion. Not to mention, face was already activated. It already disabled every mage on the continent. The parent dragons being able to use magic at all is a testament to their power.

If you truly think GMG base Natsu is light speed, faster than the parent dragons, and capable of running around Ishgal and destroying every face after it's been activated, then you clearly did not read the Tartaros arc. The fact that you guys have to pretend that Invel froze FDK flames says it all about how ridiculous your position is.

Jacob wasn't able to fight back against Natsu because the heat was burning him up, not because he was midair. You can still raise your hands to block punches when you're midair and you can even dodge attacks, and in fact several people in the manga have done so. There is no position Jacob could have taken to prevent Natsu's heat from burning him up. Even if Jacob had his hands up, the heat would still burn him up and quite frankly Demolition Fist would still knock him out through his guard.

 

[WoWfan]

yet they do not explode upon destruction like Carla did with reworking it, it is just hax. and again, even if they do scale in stats, (Again they don't) they are just like city level which is well below anything the Average Dragons have shown, and are well below anything the Spriggans have down. It's a simple answer, which is faster? Sub-Relativistic or Light Speed? I loved Tartaros, but the Dragons do not compare to some of the speed feats shown in the past. Well Invel and Natsu did anyway, so there is that. Yes he wasn't able to when he was flying through the air, Makarov was a contributor to Jacob's downfall. because mostly they could fly or where not attacked before hand. because he was forced through the air and could not fight back. and the fact he was not burned alive is a feat onto itself

 

[Axiomus]

The entire guild was at a loss about what to do with the faces. They wanted to get the help of every mage on the continent (which btw, didn't even work in the anime because none of the mages in Fiore could land a scratch a single face). If base Natsu could just get happy to fly him around and smash the faces, don't you think someone would have suggested it? Nobody was saying "Let's just get Natsu do to it, because he's faster than light lel". No, they were at a loss until Makarov revealed they had Fairy Heart. Even with Fairy Heart, after face turned on and wiped out everyone's magic, he thought it was too late. The entire narrative of the Tartaros arc falls apart if you think Natsu can just run around and smash all the faces. Not to mention, the parent dragons destroyed face after it wiped the magic from all the mages. If you think a powerless Natsu could run around the continent and smash the faces, then clearly you missed the entire point of the Tartaros arc.

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Keep pretending that Invel froze FDK flames. It wouldn't have mattered if Jacob was on the ground and turtled up with his guard up. The heat would still cause Jacob to burn up in pain, and Demolition Fist would still smash through his defenses.

 

[WoWfan]

Even if they would have notified every wizard, That wouldn't stop them from turning them to self destruct, sure there maybe a few sacrifices but better than nothing, Natsu was busy in a fight with Mard Geer, there is nothing to fall apart when there is logical reasoning behind it. it was in the process, not totally,

Keep dreaming that Invel didn't do it, it does matter especially when even Natsu could not down Jacob when the latter was holding back. yet there was no burn marks on it, even then he was still defenseless in that position.