Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

Meh, that's just how FT was back in the day. It happened to Gray against Lyon too, dude had an epiphany and suddenly jumped tiers. Lyon low diffed Natsu and Gray at the same time, but then comes Gray's epiphany and suddenly Lyon gets his ass beat in a 1v1 fight. Then there was Elfman having his epiphany in Phantom, jumping from below Element 4 tier to above. Then there is Erza doing the same against Ikaruga.

PoF was actually a permanent power up back in FTs early days, you realized something about yourself and your strength and you grew stronger because of it. Maybe it's still like that today, idk, doesn't feel as good though, probably because Mashima had already spent all the character development of his characters up in their earlier PoF moments, leaving him only pointless friendship speeches to give them during their later power ups, I guess that's the price of a long running manga.

When did Lyon low diff both?

 

[Seven777]

When did Lyon low diff both?

Their first confrontation when he was still wearing his mask. He insta freezes Natsu and smacks Gray around until he lost consciousness. Didn't receive a single scratch from either of them.

 

[Ramen]

Their first confrontation when he was still wearing his mask. He insta freezes Natsu and smacks Gray around until he lost consciousness. Didn't receive a single scratch from either of them.

Ahhh, I literally don't remember anything unless it's Alveraz, the GMG, or the Sequel.

 

[Seven777]

Ahhh, I literally don't remember anything unless it's Alveraz, the GMG, or the Sequel.

Most people forget pre-tenrou lol, but for me it was Fairy Tail at it's finest.

 

[LaGOAT]

@Nemispelled where u been?

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Most people forget pre-tenrou lol, but for me it was Fairy Tail at it's finest.

Exactly missed those days FT was on my top 5 list till after the first half of tenrou island arc

 

[Raven]

I watching the anime this week and i can tell that i forgot most of it and the anime helped me to remember lol.

GMG and Edolas arcs were the peak of FT.

 

[Acnologia2415]

I watching the anime this week and i can tell that i forgot most of it and the anime helped me to remember lol.

GMG and Edolas arcs were the peak of FT.

That fight against Zero though. Natsu was so badass in that fight.

 

[Fyron]

Fair enough.
I personally dont really buy into the "partial END" thing anymore.
For Zeref's durability, yeah, fair, but I think Natsu has the offense to overcome any durability in Alvarez if he lands enough hits. And imo END has something similar to the power of the dead that would let him finish the deed.

I don't buy it, the immobilization landed because Natsu was tired, if Zeref used it at the start Natsu would be fine, either by dodging or whatever. Base Natsu not being able to break out also doesn't mean END couldnt.
So what if Gildarts was bloodlusted? Bluenote was on his level. Acno was bloodlusted against who?

They dont need to, they have the title "slayer", besides even for DS being enchanted isn't even necessary, its just a short cut. You can learn it yourself like Elseferia. There's also no implied relation between being enchanted and failing to do the same additional damage other slayers do. As for Silver using magic, sure, it's called DeS magic, but that don't mean it's not Curse Power too. Bloodman has no magic but he still used Ice DeS magic. Even Mirajane uses Curse Power, despite her magic being magic, Freed uses MBPs, etc.

Sure, she had previous damage to help too, but DS advantage was still required imo.
I disagree, the potency was thanks to DS advantage, the same as Gray's potency against Mard Geer. If Erza had the potency to critically injure Eileen, she would've been able to cut through Eileen without DS advantage. Eileen's durability is as much her own strength as Mards durability was his, if Erza couldn't beat it, then it's because she wasn't strong enough.

If Natsu wasn't partially demonized , he wouldn't have been able to revert back into a human. Just like dragon slayers like Irene after transforming into a dragon can't fundamentally revert back to a human. Natsu destroyed the dragon and demon seeds , so he prevented himself from fully demonizing.

But Igneel's power almost ran out in his fight with Zeref. Natsu's reserves aren't infinite unlike Fairy Heart , they're going to run out some time , and Igneel's power reserves > Natsu's because otherwise Zeref would've told all the Spriggans to only concentrate on killing Natsu to get his power of the dead. As for END , I already said that I don't consider Partial END's reserves all that high , and as for fully transformed one who knows ?

If that was the case then Natsu could've simply avoided all of Zeref's attacks in both of their fights while he continued to attack Zeref. Zeref hasn't shown any spectacular speed feats , but he isn't a snail because his speed at least scales to Natsu , so he can at the very least land that attack on Natsu. If by END you mean the END which fought Gray then no. His strongest attack is the one which we saw against Erza , and I'm positive Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist would do more damage to Erza than what END did in that one attack.

I don't buy that Bluenote was on his level. He got oneshot by one named attack from Gildarts. Gildarts was not fighting properly at first or he was nerfed by Mashima to make the fight interesting. Gildarts can oneshot Bluenote with a named attack. Acno was bloodlusted against Jellal and Christina , he was constantly monologuing "As long as there's a dragon I will kill it" , and his hatred for dragons has been established before multiple times. If we're to take things at face value then he required to go Dragon Form because Jellal blocked all of his attacks , and couldn't even catch up to Christina when parent dragons flew over a continent multiple times larger than Europe.

The thing is we don't know how DeS works , but we do know how Dragon Slaying Magic works. And that is simply enchanting the power of a dragon into a human. Saying Dragon Slaying Magic helps kill dragons easily would be like saying enchanting a humah helps kill stronger humans easily , which doesn't make sense. How Elfseria learnt Dragon Slaying Magic is irrelevant , because we know that the magic Erza used against Irene was inherited from Grandeeny. Besides for all we know , Elfseria might not have any special advantage against dragons too. Irene is also a dragon slayer , doesn't mean she can slay dragons tiers above her. Silver is not just any demon , he's a demon who holds Demon Slaying Magic. Using that logic Mirajane's Takeover should be "Demon Slaying Magic" too since she's a human using their powers. It isn't.

All Irene's dragon form adds is her extremely tough scales , which is what makes magic difficult to work against them. This is referenced in the GMG. It's not like we got to see how Erza would've performed had Irene's scales not been present. Dragon Slaying Magic lets you bypass their scales because it is the "power of a dragon" , but power of dragons don't help to magically deplete other dragons' health multiple times faster. We also saw the Erza while amped on PoF could smash through Irene's master enchant , so had Dragon Slaying Magic provided as much of a boost as you say then Erza should've killed her in the first shot itself.

 

[Seven777]

If Natsu wasn't partially demonized , he wouldn't have been able to revert back into a human. Just like dragon slayers like Irene after transforming into a dragon can't fundamentally revert back to a human. Natsu destroyed the dragon and demon seeds , so he prevented himself from fully demonizing.

But Igneel's power almost ran out in his fight with Zeref. Natsu's reserves aren't infinite unlike Fairy Heart , they're going to run out some time , and Igneel's power reserves > Natsu's because otherwise Zeref would've told all the Spriggans to only concentrate on killing Natsu to get his power of the dead. As for END , I already said that I don't consider Partial END's reserves all that high , and as for fully transformed one who knows ?

If that was the case then Natsu could've simply avoided all of Zeref's attacks in both of their fights while he continued to attack Zeref. Zeref hasn't shown any spectacular speed feats , but he isn't a snail because his speed at least scales to Natsu , so he can at the very least land that attack on Natsu. If by END you mean the END which fought Gray then no. His strongest attack is the one which we saw against Erza , and I'm positive Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist would do more damage to Erza than what END did in that one attack.

I don't buy that Bluenote was on his level. He got oneshot by one named attack from Gildarts. Gildarts was not fighting properly at first or he was nerfed by Mashima to make the fight interesting. Gildarts can oneshot Bluenote with a named attack. Acno was bloodlusted against Jellal and Christina , he was constantly monologuing "As long as there's a dragon I will kill it" , and his hatred for dragons has been established before multiple times. If we're to take things at face value then he required to go Dragon Form because Jellal blocked all of his attacks , and couldn't even catch up to Christina when parent dragons flew over a continent multiple times larger than Europe.

The thing is we don't know how DeS works , but we do know how Dragon Slaying Magic works. And that is simply enchanting the power of a dragon into a human. Saying Dragon Slaying Magic helps kill dragons easily would be like saying enchanting a humah helps kill stronger humans easily , which doesn't make sense. How Elfseria learnt Dragon Slaying Magic is irrelevant , because we know that the magic Erza used against Irene was inherited from Grandeeny. Besides for all we know , Elfseria might not have any special advantage against dragons too. Irene is also a dragon slayer , doesn't mean she can slay dragons tiers above her. Silver is not just any demon , he's a demon who holds Demon Slaying Magic. Using that logic Mirajane's Takeover should be "Demon Slaying Magic" too since she's a human using their powers. It isn't.

All Irene's dragon form adds is her extremely tough scales , which is what makes magic difficult to work against them. This is referenced in the GMG. It's not like we got to see how Erza would've performed had Irene's scales not been present. Dragon Slaying Magic lets you bypass their scales because it is the "power of a dragon" , but power of dragons don't help to magically deplete other dragons' health multiple times faster. We also saw the Erza while amped on PoF could smash through Irene's master enchant , so had Dragon Slaying Magic provided as much of a boost as you say then Erza should've killed her in the first shot itself.

Says who? Dragon Slayers don't partially dragonize and then turn back into a humans. Once Eileen started getting those cracks in her face it was all over for her.

Why would Zeref tell spriggans to concentrate on Natsu? The only spriggan he had with him was Invel, who likely would have got oneshot, plus he didnt know about the power of the dead til Invel was gone. As for Igneel's power, he only had a tiny amount of it, I don't see a problem with END being greater, especially when we saw Base Natsu's performance against him.

No, if that were the case Zeref would have simply oneshot Natsu with the binding spell at the beginning, he didn't because he couldn't.

It's not a oneshot if Bluenote takes multiple serious hits before then. Bluenote is likely Jura tier, which makes him a match for Gildarts.
Acno was not bloodlusted on Jellal or Christina, he was literally laughing in the fight.

DeS magic is slayer magic, so it does what slayer magic does, why do you think Mashima named it slayer magic? Gray's DeS magic is literally magic he received from a demon. As for enchanting humans with human magic to beat other humans, sure, doesn't make sense. You know what else doesnt make sense? Humans enchanting humans with human magic to bypass human skin, and thats your argument. I'd say Eileen could slay her own dragon form, which is tiers above her human form.

Yes, exactly, extremely tough scales, which is part of her own strength, no different to Mard Geer. Saying DS magic lets her "bypass scales" makes no sense, their scales aren't hax, they're not even magic, they are simply extremely tough, DS magic doesn't let you just phase through them lol, so in what way does DS magic bypass them? And while Dragon scales are tough, pure power can still break through them. We see this with Igneel, he is at best on the same level as Acnologia, but he still has the raw power to tear through Acnologia's scales, no hax, no DS magic bypass, since Acno is immune to magic, just Igneel's own strength. The fact that Erza doesn't have the strength to tear through Eileen's scales with her own physical attacks, just goes to show that unlike Igneel, Erza was not on the same level as her opponents, which makes perfect sense when you consider the fact that Eileen could smash all her bones with a single strike.

 

[GL_Nova]

How are any of those feats country level at all? Laxus's attack was big but only covered the region they were in. The meteor wasn't even that big and it would've destroyed the battlefield only. FL, don't get me started lol.

It's called scaling for attack potency. The meteor feat scales all on its own, an Laxus nuke washing to kill a country lvl mage casually.

 

[Ramen]

It's called scaling for attack potency. The meteor feat scales all on its own, an Laxus nuke washing to kill a country lvl mage casually.

Lol what kind of bs logic is this?

 

[GL_Nova]

I wouldn't say anyone in the Fairy Tail guild is country level, other than Fairy Heart Mavis using Etherion. However, Acnologia, 5 God Dragons, and some of the Spriggans are country level or stronger. Zeref is also really overpowered but that's mainly because of his hax, not his physical strength.

All of the Spriggan are at least country. That's been settled, an has plenty of examples. We know several of the Tenrou squad prove themselves Spriggan lvl. An if there was any doubt it should be long gone now.

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Lol what kind of bs logic is this?

Basic scaling logic lol. Energy wielders can survive what they can output. An attack that kills them in a 1 shot has to exceed that threshold, the only exception are casters,

 

[Ramen]

Basic scaling logic lol. Energy wielders can survive what they can output. An attack that kills them in a 1 shot has to exceed that threshold, the only exception are casters,

You said FL is country level stop it

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How is Neinhart country level?

 

[GL_Nova]

Laxus attack against Ajeel was only mountain level, Erza's attack was only large island (and that was when she was hyped off of PoF like Natsu against Zeref and Acno), and Cana's Fairy Law is City-Mountain Level from scale at best, but it is nowhere near Country level.

No one in the FT guild as of the 100YQ has country level DC or AP. The only one who does is Natsu when he boosts himself to God Tier with PoF bs or gets powered up from God tiers. But standard Natsu is only island level just like standard Erza is only island level.

PoF induced characters are also outliers as they cannot do these things under normal circumstances. This was show in the 100YQ where both were nerfed from their EoS selves.

Bro, you lowball everything, so why would I take your scaling serious?

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You said FL is country level stop it

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How is Neinhart country level?

They needed a full powered etherion to ensure the death of an already dying Laxus. What you mean?

The guy who was able to summon several Spriggans?

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Hey, what are you lowballing them at, let's start there

 

[Ramen]

They needed a full powered etherion to ensure the death of an already dying Laxus. What you mean?

The guy who was able to summon several Spriggans?

Historia spriggans are not country level. Barely beat Rogue and Minerva lmao


Cana is not Country level :/

 

[Jko]

Bro, you lowball everything, so why would I take your scaling serious?

How am I lowballing anything??? You tried to say Laxus' nuke against Ajeel and Cana's Fairy Glitter were country level attacks. If anything you are highballing them lol.

 

[Ramen]

Hey, what are you lowballing them at, let's start there

I've already answered that above.


Never thought I'd see Brandish wank after Alveraz.

 

[Nemispelled]

@Nemispelled where u been?

I'm still hanging around this subsection/forum. I just haven't been as engaged in any power ranking discussions post-Alvarez since much of it is either plagued with assumptions or simply doesn't make sense with all of the past BS from Alvarez Arc.


Lately, I've been seeing a lot of people power ranking by the size/AoE of attacks and throwing out terms like city level, country level, continental level, and multi-continental level to justify their argument. In my opinion, judging a character off of their AoE alone is effectively meaningless because it doesn't take into account the damage output, casting time, exaggeration/limitations of manga panels, and the existence of glass cannon characters (high destructive capacity, yet fodder durability/defense).

For example, Irene's Universe One is hailed for its massive AoE, but the only feat it ever accomplished in the manga was screwing over Bloodman's last ditch effort to kill Gajeel. While others praised that spell, I was rather unimpressed by the end results.

I even remember a time when people used to regularly power rank characters based on the megatonnes of an attack, which they measured from mere pixels on a manga panel... Personally, I'm not interested in debating those types of discussions.



Aside from the above, I also tend to have unpopular opinions - namely, I never bought into the whole "Darkness Gray" deal.

To me, the term never made any sense since plenty of characters go through rage-filled or bloodlusted fights in the manga, yet none of them have ever had a "fanmade title" attached to their name. Even though I'm well aware that the instance was supposed to highlight the impact of "Juvia's death", it was really no different from any other regular adrenaline rush portrayed in the manga, which is still within the extent of a character's own power.

And you can see why that would be a problem if I participated in the current battle/power-ranking discussions.



Also, contrary to what others have said, I don't see how the recent Laxus vs. Erza fight proved that they were both on Gildartz's tier... At most, the only thing that came out of that fight was the power difference between the two. I don't see how we could extrapolate those feats to compare their powers to other characters who were never apart of their fight.

Unless anybody thought that either Erza or Laxus were already established to be Gildartz's tier before the fight, it's impossible to judge their placement in the overall power ranking scale if we don't have anything else to reference.

The only conclusion that came out of that battle is the direct comparison between Erza and Laxus, as well as any other opponents that they have faced in the manga thus far.



Anyways, glad to see that others are still getting a kick out of this power-ranking thread. While I don't have many opinions to offer myself, I'm still willing to see what others have to say.

 

[Axiomus]

Neinhart isn't country level. He can't destroy a country with his attacks. He can't tank hits that can destroy a country either.

Neither is Cana.

Darkness Gray is just Gray with POF. "Darkness" is just negative emotions, and getting stronger because of emotions is POF.

 

[Ramen]

Gray is like big city level at the most.