Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Well remember Gajeel could only actually damage Aldoron with his DS aspect

 

[Axiomus]

I don't understand why you put this statement. Can you explain ?

What do you mean?

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Well remember Gajeel could only actually damage Aldoron with his DS aspect

The same is true for Natsu.

 

[Ratrace]

I only got one bite

So

 

[Ramen]

For the 100 Years Quest, here's how I rank everyone in terms of power (up to the current chapter 76):

1. Selene - with enhanced magic power + spiritual arts in Elentir, she'd logically be the strongest Dragon God
2. Ignia - Endgame boss
3. Aldoron - at full power, Natsu needed Giant Gajeel and the guild + Jellal to help out
4. Multi-Flame "Purgatory" Dragon Force Natsu - He beat Mercphobia with just Ignia's flames, now he's incorporated Igneel's and Atlas Flame's power as well
5. 50% Mercphobia - Dragon God at half-strength, self-explanatory
6. Faris - she basically soloed the guild + Jellal
7. Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu - he got the vibe that he the strongest dude when Gildarts is not around
8. Full Power Gajeel - Mashima did state Natsu and Gajeel are pretty much equal, and their latest fight is lowkey justifiable.
9. Jellal - he's always shown to be a level above Erza, no retcon has been currently shown
10. God Seed Gears - before Jellal clapped him , Jellal was shown losing lowkey badly beforehand
11. Red Lightning Laxus - he was the slight victor in his battle with Erza
12. Dual Ice & Fire Swords Erza - she fought evenly with Red Lightning Laxus
13. Iron Shadow Dragon Mode Gajeel - if you believe Natsu was actually holding back despite Natsu himself saying he was low and he took the fight seriously, then you can continue being a circus host
14. Hakune - she oneshotted Base Natsu (Mid Spriggan level) and Base Gray (S-Class to low Wizard Saint level)
15. Satan Soul Mirajane / Skullion - they was equal in a stalemate
16. Devil Slayer Gray
17. Brandish - she's above current Base Natsu/Base Gajeel level
18. Youko - she could be higher if you believe she's be above Yokai Erza
19. Snake Lucy - She clapped Base Natsu
20. Nebaru / 1% Irene Form Wendy
21. Madmole / Elfman - both stalemated
22. Kyria
23. Mimi
24. Old Makarov
25. Wraith (Original Power) - he stated crippled Makarov was stronger than him
26. God Seed Metro
27. God Seed Wolfen
28. Full Power Lisanna
29. Cana - Fairy Glitter OP
30. Juvia
31. Freed
32. Bickslow / Evergreen
33. Panther Lily
34. Max
35. God Seed Doom

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Hiro Mashima stated Natsu and Gajeel are equals. Full Power Gajeel pushed Full Power Natsu to a high-diff fight. Full Power Natsu at this point in FT 100 Years Quest is stronger than Laxus, Jellal, Erza, etc. and Gajeel nearly matched him in the Aldoron Arc. What's the issue?

Yea maybe in their bases they be eqauls.

Full power Natsu can beat FH Zeref and Aldoron. Gajeel at his best could barely scratch Aldoron.

Bold: Yo how can one person be so disingenuous. Gajeel couldn't stand and Natsu didn't even use nearly his full power.

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Jura was stated to be at x784 Gildarts level. Mira stated that she and Erza in a tag-team wouldn't have been able to beat Jura, then here comes Jellal under "Mystogan" who could've nearly oneshotted him with Sema before Ultear took control.

Headcanon. No reason to think it could've one-shotted him. Also, Jura is not Gildarts level, that statement has been contradicted.

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Erza legit turned into Ajeel's counter and she was still in position where she was about to killed by him. Laxus would've oneshotted Ajeel without August's interference. Jellal oneshotted Neinhart. And Jellal's feats against Acnologia blows Alvarez Erza above the water.

No proof that it would've oneshotted Ajeel.

Neinhart is by far the weakest Spriggan. It took Jellal to use GC to beat Neinhart when Natsu used his fists to beat a much stronger one. Lol how's that a feat?

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8. Full Power Gajeel - Mashima did state Natsu and Gajeel are pretty much equal, and their latest fight is lowkey justifiable.

I already debunked this above.

 

[Ronin31]

What do you mean?

I don't understand why you spoke about Gray and Irene. For Natsu and Gajeel, ok... For Jellal and Erza, we are speaking about them as well. I still don't understand why you speak about Gray and Irene. Did you made analogy ?

 

[Ratrace]

Which chapter did it indicate that Makarov was a rank 5 wizard saint in x784?
From my knowledge, Makarov was a well-known and well-respected mage among the wizard saints, I don't recall the series ever specifying Makarov's wizard saint rank number in x784.

https://mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628711/13

I thought Jura replaced him but it’s just says Jura is number 5

 

[Ramen]

That genuinely might be the worst list I've ever seen. Maybe worse than the reddit ones.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't understand why you spoke about Gray and Irene. For Natsu and Gajeel, ok... For Jellal and Erza, we are speaking about them as well. I still don't understand why you speak about Gray and Irene. Did you made analogy ?

Oh, it was a response to Jko's comment about Gray freezing Irene. Just thought it was a point I wanted to chip in.

Gray can indeed freeze Irene. There's no reason he can't. She'll just break out of the ice like Ajeel, Skullion, or Natsu do.

 

[Ronin31]

Oh, it was a response to Jko's comment about Gray freezing Irene. Just thought it was a point I wanted to chip in.

Gray can indeed freeze Irene. There's no reason he can't. She'll just break out of the ice like Ajeel, Skullion, or Natsu do.

Ok, thanks for your answer . For Irene, yes for sure. With her strength she can destroy it or, by enchant, turn it into another thing.

 

[GL_Nova]

Why would Erza’s performance against Laxus somehow support that Laxus is now weaker than Jellal? If anything, Jellal backing down from Laxus twice in that very same arc, while she was able to push him to exhaust his magic, would suggest that Erza has supplanted Jellal as the best rival for Laxus.

 

[Ramen]

Why would Erza’s performance against Laxus somehow support that Laxus is now weaker than Jellal? If anything, Jellal backing down from Laxus twice in that very same arc, while she was able to push him to exhaust his magic, would suggest that Erza has supplanted Jellal as the best rival for Laxus.

Lmao Jellal hasn't been Laxus rival since Alvarez.

 

[Ratrace]

Why would Erza’s performance against Laxus somehow support that Laxus is now weaker than Jellal? If anything, Jellal backing down from Laxus twice in that very same arc, while she was able to push him to exhaust his magic, would suggest that Erza has supplanted Jellal as the best rival for Laxus.

I can understand him backing down the first time because I believe Laxus said it would be bad for both of them (mostly because Laxus doesn’t want to become enemies with a friend of the guild)

 

[mangaempire29]

I am not speaking about Laxus or Jura here. We are speaking about Jellal and Erza. Yes, Jellal is a speedster. But can he dodge multidirectional Kyoka's attack she dealt to put down Erza, Minerva and the others ? Her stats were rising per seconds. You underestimate Kyoka.

Still, you have to understand the difference between a speedster and warriorness speed. Erza could blitz two times Laxus in their last encounter, she stroke him with four slashes on his arm and he couldn't even react. Laxus is also a speedster like Jellal is. It's not the same speed used. Ussian Bolt run faster but Bruce Lee reacted much faster.

It's not a significant matter on how a battle between Jellal and Kyoka would play out. It's that Jellal would just flat out beat Kyoka 10 times out of 10. x791 Jellal was a beast through his gmg feats, there's no dispelling that he's at the very least close to Jura's level. I'm pretty positive a Jura level character like Jellal would beat a high level 9 demon gate member from Tartaros mid-diff.

Like I said, you can empty your magic without using your strongest mode. Natsu was still aware that Laxus is a stronger opponent than Gajeel is. He beated Gajeel in the past in a fair 1 vs 1 and rivaled him since the beginning like with Gray. Natsu never win a battle vs Laxus in 1 VS 1. I can see Natsu reserving his FDK for him.

Yes, sure Natsu was weakened after his fight when he faced Wraith. But still, as he couldn't touch him (ghost), he could fight and use magic again. Gajeel couldn't move to protect his wife and his future child. So Natsu won their battle. Seeing Gajeel at close level to Natsu's base and LFD is not disrespectful. This level is high.

Yes he used FDK punch on Makarov because he raged seeing Wraith taking his titanic master as a vassal. He one shot them and they were both amp like Fusion in Dragon Ball. Still, Makarov's old body couldn't tanked like when he was healthy and this is why Natsu said Makarov was stronger. But Makarov's strike and Magic was multiplied by Wraith Fuse. He had to expulse Wraith from Makarov, not only KO him like he did against Gajeel. Not same circumstances.

Yes he used FDK on Mardmole because he saw his classic fire won't work on his armor. Plus, Mardmole was a foe.
Natsu used FDK on Dragon Gods : he had too and he is aware about their incredible strength.

Gajeel is not in same way.

Going into the Aldoron Arc, FDK Natsu/Jellal/Laxus were the top three. Gajeel/Gray/Erza/Mira next up after them. Natsu took on Gajeel, and they both stated that they was both serious. Up until that point, Natsu had FDK, Gajeel's full power was unknown. Majority of the fandom thought Natsu would FDK oneshot Gajeel to oblivion then move on, that didn't happen.
Gajeel Vs Natsu was a near-equal high diff fight. Natsu was low on MP whereas Gajeel was on his last legs. Natsu was pushed in a high-diff fight with Gajeel. That gave the implication that Gajeel is also on the FDK Natsu/Jellal/Laxus level. Natsu treated Gajeel as a serious foe the same way he took on Madmole/Mercphobia/Skullion/Kyria, etc.
It's hard to believe Natsu was holding back FDK against Gajeel when Natsu was pushed to being brutally damaged in their fight, then later in the arc Natsu lowkey spams FDK on every foe, on even weaker opponents than Gajeel.

Again, we disagree. If PoF Erza can blow an optimised Jellal's finisher spell with one valid arm, she can bypass his best spell and kill him with the same blow she used on Dragon Scales, even without Dragon Slayer amp.
Rot Acnologia was enhanced Acnologia. Stronger, tougher and unpredictable. Or are you saiying when Natsu ate Etherion, he wasn't stronger than his original strength ? Erza crashed him down on the boat without Dragon Slayer amp.

Both situations show up Erza's feats were above Jellal's.

Just no. Jellal damaging Acnologia, dodging a pointblank roar, sending Acno flying, and blocking an Acnologia's dragon slaying killing attack is a greater feat than enhanted Erza plot armor dragon slaying sword that clowned Irene, Erza had a slayer advantage along with the enchantment (DS vs Eclipse Arc Dragons + Irene's DS past shows that DS got an advantage on dragons). Acnologia (even before RoT) >>>>> Dragon Irene. Damaging/combating the strongest character in the series >> Erza and Wendy Vs Irene. Jellal also wouldn't have gotten punked by "Wendy Belserion."
Alvarez Jellal > Enchanted Erza > Regular Alvarez Erza.

DF Natsu did more damage to Aldoron's body than giant Gajeel did, which is Brandish boosting Gajeel.

Multi Dragon Fire Flame DF Natsu > Giant Gajeel. Natsu also fought a weakened + humanoid body of God Seed Aldoron, not the complete dragon body. And Natsu wouldn't/couldn't have been able to inflict any kind of damage on Aldoron until Giant Gajeel started fighting Aldoron.

Full power Natsu can beat FH Zeref and Aldoron. Gajeel at his best could barely scratch Aldoron.

Bold: Yo how can one person be so disingenuous. Gajeel couldn't stand and Natsu didn't even use nearly his full power.

I'm referring to Full Power Gajeel and FDK Natsu being equals. Not all those extra power-ups, plot armor moments Natsu got in Alvarez. Gajeel fought Aldoron well, the battle went into Aldoron's favor when he used the Thicket of Arms.

No proof that it would've oneshotted Ajeel.

August's statement after he saved Ajeel from Laxus's attack proves otherwise.

Neinhart is by far the weakest Spriggan. It took Jellal to use GC to beat Neinhart when Natsu used his fists to beat a much stronger one. Lol how's that a feat?

Neinhart overpowered Brandish later when he got enhanced + Jellal added better feats in the Alvarez Arc (Vs Acnologia).

https://mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628711/13
I thought Jura replaced him but it’s just says Jura is number 5

I'm just asking for Makarov's official wizard saint rank in x784. I don't recall if there was a statement in Makarov's rank.

That genuinely might be the worst list I've ever seen. Maybe worse than the reddit ones.

Care to elaborate where I went wrong on this list instead of a stating a standard complaint.

Why would Erza’s performance against Laxus somehow support that Laxus is now weaker than Jellal? If anything, Jellal backing down from Laxus twice in that very same arc, while she was able to push him to exhaust his magic, would suggest that Erza has supplanted Jellal as the best rival for Laxus.

Jellal Vs Laxus was portrayed as bait. Jellal only wanted Touka/Faris, if he engaged in a high-diff fight with Laxus, Faris could've just ran or escaped or interfered in helping Laxus while the two was duking it out.
The second time Jellal Vs Laxus was baited, Kyria pulled up, and more distractions started arising, Jellal wasn't ducking Laxus. He's just trying to get his mission done as smoothly as possible.

Lmao Jellal hasn't been Laxus rival since Alvarez.

Jellal and Laxus have been portrayed to be like Erza/Mira, Natsu/Gajeel type equals from x791 to currently in the 100YQ.

 

[Jko]

Jellal and Laxus being rivals is even less supported than Sting and Natsu being rivals lol.

 

[Axiomus]

Multi Dragon Fire Flame DF Natsu > Giant Gajeel. Natsu also fought a weakened + humanoid body of God Seed Aldoron, not the complete dragon body. And Natsu wouldn't/couldn't have been able to inflict any kind of damage on Aldoron until Giant Gajeel started fighting Aldoron.

Natsu's attack blasted a hole through the back of Aldoron's dragon body.

Giant Gajeel had no effect on the outcome of Natsu and Aldoron's fight. All the seeds were already destroyed and Gajeel didn't do any significantly damage to the dragon body, so he didn't leave Aldoron in a weaker state. At best it helped Natsu land one punch on the seed, but that punch barely did anything. Everything that happened afterwards would have happened anyways.

 

[Ramen]

Jellal and Laxus being rivals is even less supported than Sting and Natsu being rivals lol.

Y'all are killing the guy. Lowe them

But Gajeel being anywhere near the top is kinda funny

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Jellal and Laxus have been portrayed to be like Erza/Mira, Natsu/Gajeel type equals from x791 to currently in the 100YQ

Um.....no.....no.

 

[sharkai]

x791 Jellal and Jellal's feats against Acnologia clearly shows that Jellal was on another level from Erza. RoT Dragon Acnologia was playing around, chasing exceeds, blowing up random landmarks. Erza's PoF feats against Irene doesn't correlate to Jellal's feats against Acnologia.

Jellal out sped Acnologia and barrels him in the face ( )
Jellal easily blocked a dragon slayer killing blast from Acnologia

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In x793, in the 100YQ, this is the closest Erza has been to Laxus and Jellal in power.

arent all these speed feats.
aconologia against jellal was playing.
ROT aconologia wasnt. that why everyone was screaming their heads off.

irene vs erza + wendy
august vs jellal + CS
showed us clearly
that erza>>jellal

and the brute strength erza showed by blasting rot aconologia across the town is only below natsu feats.

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Lmao Jellal hasn't been Laxus rival since Alvarez.

jellal actually has never been laxus rival.
only because laxus vs mystogan happened. which mind you, laxus wasnt really trying and mystogan pretty much showed all his feats

 

[Axiomus]

Rot Acnologia was enhanced Acnologia. Stronger, tougher and unpredictable. Or are you saiying when Natsu ate Etherion, he wasn't stronger than his original strength ? Erza crashed him down on the boat without Dragon Slayer amp.

Eating etherion boosted Natsu's physical strength mainly because it triggered dragon force. X784 DF Natsu is technically a Jellal/Laxus tier, at least in terms of MP. He just out stats them in physicals, because DF is just a huge increase in physicals relative to MP used. An increase in magical power by itself doesn't necessarily increase your physicals. It can, particularly if you are using magic that increases your physical strength. But it doesn't always.

Acnologia mostly used the rift of time's magic to blast stuff with eternal flare. Could he have used the rift of time's magic to enhance his physical strikes beyond what we've seen before? Sure. Did he? Eh, not really. I doubt he was even using the same level of strength he used to fight Igneel. The final blow he landed shredded half of Igneel's body. I doubt he was exerting that level of physical strength when Erza's swords smacked him.

 

[sharkai]

Eating etherion boosted Natsu's physical strength mainly because it triggered dragon force. X784 DF Natsu is technically a Jellal/Laxus tier, at least in terms of MP. He just out stats them in physicals, because DF is just a huge increase in physicals relative to MP used. An increase in magical power by itself doesn't necessarily increase your physicals. It can, particularly if you are using magic that increases your physical strength. But it doesn't always.

Acnologia mostly used the rift of time's magic to blast stuff with eternal flare. Could he have used the rift of time's magic to enhance his physical strikes beyond what we've seen before? Sure. Did he? Eh, not really. I doubt he was even using the same level of strength he used to fight Igneel. The final blow he landed shredded half of Igneel's body. I doubt he was exerting that level of physical strength when Erza's swords smacked him.

that doesnt make sense.
all we know that he was stronger, that is all.
i mean where would he exert, he got hit with a pretty strong force.
that attack would blast normal aconologia or igneel the same, but with more momentum

mp normally always translate to more physical strength. springgan created this doubt. before that if you are stronger that means you have more mp and physical strength.
wahl aint gonna over power august in physical brawl
Toh DF natsu had more magical power as well as more physical power than jellal.
and i think nienhart can causally manhandle jura, even though that might not make sense

 

[Seven777]

More physical strength or mp doesn't translate to being harder to knock someone on there ass. Not unless they're actively trying to resist it.
Natsu could floor Mard or Hades
Sting can floor Larcade
Lucy can floor Jacob
Jellal can floor human Acno and push dragon Acno, Christina can do the same, as can Erza

No matter how much MP or strength you have, whether it's God/Acno tier or literally infinite, you can always be knocked over by anyone capable of physically moving your weight. The only time that changes is when you're actively using your power to prevent yourself from being knocked over.

Giant Gajeel is harder to knock over than RoT Acno purely due to his size.