Game Fan League Discussion Thread

[Sai]

I'd like to know why World of Ice is copyable?

It's akin to Jiro's Magic Volley. It can't be copied because it's an extension of Atobe's god given talent of Insight. Jsut liek Jiro's wrists are what allow him to do his Magic Volley.

Also I'd like to propose a feat or effect for Atobe being either Tannhauser Serve [feat] or Super Attack Style [feat]. (Lol then again you could probably add Jack Knife, Higuma Otoshi or Viking Horn too)

For Super Attack Style I propose it to be a conditional feat
something like if the opponents total is within 2 points of Atobe's, Atobe's power and speed are boosted by so many.... or whatever get's approved.... (I thought of this after rereading the Atobe vs Ryoma fight where the coach mentions how Atobe likes to play with his opponents to crush them mentally and physically but how when he's against a great opponent he will play seriously)

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for Yagyuu I propose a name change to be Laser Beam (the actual name) and it should be boosting speed considerably

Also for Kaidou it should be Gyro Laser and it should be faster than Yagyuu's

As for Yukimura's Yips, I'll liken it to being uncopiable like Tezuka Zone. Don't you think other Muga users would have shown it being usable if they could?

 

[Kaoz]

-Black Jack Knife [Effect]:
(1) Oni’s Power gets boosted by 15. If the opponent has a Spin stat of 10 or more, this effect is negated.
(2) The opponent’s Effects are nullified.
(3) This effect cannot be copied.

...Cannot be copied...Because?


-Intimidation [Effect]:
The opponent’s Control and Power drop by 5 points each. This effect cannot be copied.

Shouldn't this be a feat?


-Total Control [Opening Effect]:
Unless the opponent has a Control of at least 15 he cannot use any effects or aura’s that increase his power, speed or spin. This effect cannot be copied.

...Feat?

-The Strongest [Effect]:
Ryoga’s Power and Control get boosted by 5 points each.
This effect cannot be copied.

Feat?


-Yips [Effect]:
All of the opponent’s Effects and Auras are negated with the exception of Pinnacle of Perfection and Pinnacle of Destruction.
This effect cannot be copied.

Why? No evidence so far that someone can't copy it.

-Samurai Drive [Effect]:
Echizen Spin is boosted by 10. This effect is negated if the opponent’s Power and Speed stats are both 20 or above. In that case, Echizen loses the match. This effect cannot be copied by anyone nor can it be negated.

If anyone is going to copy something, they are going to copy Hadokyuu. Samurai Drive not being copyable just makes Niou weaker. It being copyable wouldn't make the game broken at all.

-Laser Shot [Effect]:
Yagyuu’s Power is boosted by 2.

Can I just complain about how much Yagyuu costs and his very useless effect?

-Crucify [Final Effect]:
If the opponent’s Speed is within 2 points of Krauser’s, Krauser automatically wins. (Singles only)
This effect cannot be copied.

I agree that the potential for abuse is too great but the copy trio(Wakato, Niou and Kabaji) should be able to copy it. 3 characters whose ONLY ability is to copy(they don't even have feats other than that!), copying a good effect is not an abuse. It's what they are supposed to do!

The High-schooler's Effects not being copyable wasn't totally my idea, Jyten wanted it like that, simply because they are too strong and would unbalance things.

Yukimura is God, there doesn't have to be a reason. Also, Shiraishi's Bible is copyable which does partly the same.

On Echizen, I mistook it for another effect, this one could be copyable by the 3 that you stated.

You may not complain about Yagyuu.

All in all it's not that easy to say which effects can/cannot be copied. For once, those characters whose only ability is copying should be useful, on the other hand they should not be too useful. Copying itself is very strong as it grants access to everything there is.

The second problem is that those three characters copy entirely different from each other. Kabaji is the one that differs the most as he can only copy those he directly plays against, which is represented here.
I admit Niou is a genius at copying, being able to copy anyone and use nearly all of their techniques.
It's another thing with Wakato, he mainly copies playstyles and habits, not especially techniques. The difference between Niou and Wakato for example is that Niou could copy TPhantom whereas Wakato couldn't even copy Boomerang.
What I want to say is, all what you said is right considering Niou (and Kabaji partly) but not Wakato, I think.

 

[-Ken-]

Yagyuu should have snake also, he use it in the match before national and again against Niou. And yes, the name change would be nice also. His laser beam should also be power-up, it's a very powerful move.

Atobe's attacking, if it would become an ability, should change his playstyle and trigger if opponent base is greater, if you ask me.

Yips shouldn't be able to be copy, since it's a tech from Yuki (If that even make sense). Still, there's Akutsu's Sliding that copyable, and it trigger even faster. It's cool enough if you ask me

Copy version of Samurai Drive should be nerf if copyable like Chaos said. It seemed to be the 'ultimate tech' of POT1. I really want to see how Tezuka Zone would really react to it. I'll laugh as hell if it suck in both ball. Seriously speaking, if a ball is cut in half, all spin on that ball should be destroy at that moment.

EDIT: Now that I look at Hadokyuu, it feel weird that Hadokyuu is more power than the long name shot that I'll never remember the name of Kintarou. Gin stated it himself that that long name shot is more powerful than his 108 style.

Can now that we at it. Can I suggest that Aizen... I mean Echizen have Pinnacle of Great Wisdom and Hard Work, he shown the ability to use itXD

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Why can't I complain about Yagyuu, but you can about Fuji? lol.

As for Yukimura's Yips, I'll liken it to being uncopiable like Tezuka Zone. Don't you think other Muga users would have shown it being usable if they could?

There are other effects that do the same thing, I was just curious.

As for Wakato...I'll watch his episode and come back. But from your reply, I take that Kabaji and Niou can copy Krauser, but Wakato can't until I prove otherwise?

 

[Kaoz]

Why can't I complain about Yagyuu, but you can about Fuji? lol.


There are other effects that do the same thing, I was just curious.

As for Wakato...I'll watch his episode and come back. But from your reply, I take that Kabaji and Niou can copy Krauser, but Wakato can't until I prove otherwise?

My, my, you can complain as well, the other points just seemed more important to adress at that time. I'll take a look at Yagyuu later.

As for Wakato, that's right. When you can prove, he can do it, he naturally can.

 

[-Ken-]

Chaos, are you going to add the 6th counter? Just wondering

 

[javimgol]

1.Fuji needs a boost. He costs 40 points! Hoshi Hanabi should be awesome, but not only a effect to use VS players who cancel effects (just like my team)

2.Yagyyu is a beast, he has the best Feat of the game. No more boosts, please

3. Samurai Drive should be impossible to be copied. It's too much. Same goes to Yips and High Scholars's Effects, They are simply in another level.

4.Sherlock, IMAO you don't realize how good is Niou, considering his cost. I remember you, he reaches 45-8= 37 + 6(Hadokyyu) = 43 points. Chitose, who costs the same, reaches 40 with PoW. And with my discover (you owe me one ), you reach 39 + 3 points of auto-win before any Aura thanks to Ryoma's Illusion and 'Muging' Kintaro's Daisharin Yamaarashi.

5.One thing: if Niou copies Krauser to use Crucify, does he reduce his points to Krauser's?

6. All of Fuji's abilities should be possible to be copied by everyone without problems, except Hoshi Hanabi

 

[Kaoz]

1.Fuji needs a boost. He costs 40 points! Hoshi Hanabi should be awesome, but not only a effect to use VS players who cancel effects (just like my team)

2.Yagyyu is a beast, he has the best Feat of the game. No more boosts, please

3. Samurai Drive should be impossible to be copied. It's too much. Same goes to Yips and High Scholars's Effects, They are simply in another level.

4.Sherlock, IMAO you don't realize how good is Niou, considering his cost. I remember you, he reaches 45-8= 37 + 6(Hadokyyu) = 43 points. Chitose, who costs the same, reaches 40 with PoW. And with my discover (you owe me one ), you reach 39 + 3 points of auto-win before any Aura thanks to Ryoma's Illusion and 'Muging' Kintaro's Daisharin Yamaarashi.

5.One thing: if Niou copies Krauser to use Crucify, does he reduce his points to Krauser's?

6. All of Fuji's abilities should be possible to be copied by everyone without problems, except Hoshi Hanabi

2. Yagyuu basically gets a 12 point boost (15 points vs a negate character), that's one of the highest boosts we have. Also he and Niou are a strong doubles as well, if anything his cost would have been reduced by 1 or 2 points at the most.

4. What are you talking about?

5. Illusion states that the stats remain the same against a weaker character.

6. Triple Counters? Yes. Evolved Triple Counters? Yes.
Kagero Zutsumi? Probably. Hecatonchires? I highly doubt it. I can't really imagine anyone else to put that insane amount of Spin on the ball.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yagyuu has a great boost. Now, mind taking a look at his base stats? 31 points. Compare him to Kintarou, who costs the same, and has a just-as-awesome feat, and you can guess why I'm complaining.

Renji, who only costs 1 point more, has stronger base stats and gets a +13 point effect/feat.

Can you see why I think that Yagyuu is weak, in comparison to the other characters that cost the same as him?

 

[Kaoz]

Yagyuu is better in Doubles than Kintarou, I can't argue Renji at the moment though.

 

[Sai]

I'd like to propose a different build for Yagyuu since I don't agree with a couple of things for him as well.

something like

Yagyuu (8, 11, 5, 9, 33) 40
Aggressive Baseliner

-The Gentleman [Feat]:
Yagyuu gets boosted by 2 point in every stat, whereas the opponent’s highest stat drops by 2.

-Losing Reputation [Feat]:
If Laser Shot is negated, Yagyuu’s Spin is boosted by 5.

-Laser Beam [Effect]:
Yagyuu’s Power is boosted by 2.

Plus one new effect, possibly

-Cosplay [Effect]
Yagyuu dresses like another player and can imitate an effect that will lower the stats of his opponent or boost his own stats at 1/3 strength.

or

-Snake [Effect]:
Yagyuu’s Spin is boosted by 3 points.

 

[Kaoz]

I'd like to propose a different build for Yagyuu since I don't agree with a couple of things for him as well.

something like

Yagyuu (8, 11, 5, 9, 33) 40
Aggressive Baseliner

-The Gentleman [Feat]:
Yagyuu gets boosted by 2 point in every stat, whereas the opponent’s highest stat drops by 2.

-Losing Reputation [Feat]:
If Laser Shot is negated, Yagyuu’s Spin is boosted by 5.

-Laser Beam [Effect]:
Yagyuu’s Power is boosted by 2.

Plus one new effect, possibly

-Cosplay [Effect]
Yagyuu dresses like another player and can imitate an effect that will lower the stats of his opponent or boost his own stats at 1/3 strength.

or

-Snake [Effect]:
Yagyuu’s Spin is boosted by 3 points.

I'd rather add Snake. Even though he copied Snake, it's not unlikely he could use it anyways, seeing as Jackal had Bomerang as well. Yagyuu is not a master of Illusion like Niou, so I don't think he could copy other player's techniques better than anyone else on his level.

 

[Sai]

He may not be a master, but he has shown a penchant for copying techniques and cosplaying as other players. I would say he was fairly successful in pulling off Niou and Kaidou. Which is why I gave him such a low copy ratio. In the match against Niou, Niou even makes a comment how Yagyuu's Trickery has gotten better.

At the same time it woudl seem Yagyuu right now has a semi Kaidou ability and can differ his Laser and a normal snake without changing his form.

 

[Kaoz]

I didn't mean to say that cosplay wouldn't fit at all, it's just that I personally think Snake would fit better.

 

[javimgol]

Shiraishi will defeat Renji, but no Yagyyu. Feat>Effects.
The only who can stop Feats are Irie and Jimmies LOL

Please, no more boosts to Yagyyu.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Shiraishi will defeat Renji, but no Yagyyu. Feat>Effects.
The only who can stop Feats are Irie and Jimmies LOL

Please, no more boosts to Yagyyu.

I'm not sure if you understand, but I'm complaining about Yagyuu VERY low base stats, not his effect. He could either get a boost on his base stats, or an effect.

 

[javimgol]

Sengoku(5, 5, 6, 6, 25)
5+5+6+6= 22, not 25

I noticed that because I'm making an adaptation to a Bleach Fan League, and I can not waste the hours than first Sherlock, Atobe and Fayte and then Jyten and Chaos have used to create a balanced game

 

[Kaoz]

Sengoku(5, 5, 6, 6, 25)
5+5+6+6= 22, not 25

I noticed that because I'm making an adaptation to a Bleach Fan League, and I can not waste the hours than first Sherlock, Atobe and Fayte and then Jyten and Chaos have used to create a balanced game

Oops, must've made a typo there, sorry. I changed it.

Say, are you simply using our characters and rephrase them a bit or what do you mean by that comment?

 

[javimgol]

Oops, must've made a typo there, sorry. I changed it.

Say, are you simply using our characters and rephrase them a bit or what do you mean by that comment?

Yes
If you want a copyright or sth like that...
If Sherlock wants, I'll send him, he knows a bit of Spanish, if I remember well

OffTopic
The bad point is translating everything to Spanish. Translating 25 pages of a Word doc, with a 11's size letter is truly a hard work

 

[Kaoz]

Yes
If you want a copyright or sth like that...
If Sherlock wants, I'll send him, he knows a bit of Spanish, if I remember well

OffTopic
The bad point is translating everything to Spanish. Translating 25 pages of a Word doc, with a 11's size letter is truly a hard work

Well, if anyone were to have copyright it would be Sherlock, I suppose, it was his idea in the first place after all.

And if you say the translating is hard work, I think making all those things up wasn't that easy either haha

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I don't really like the current Muga we have, so here is an alternate version:

Current version:

-Muga no Kyouchi [Aura]:
Echizen copies the effect of one player. If that effect would add points to any stat, half the points are added instead.

V2:

-Muga no Kyouchi [Aura]:
All of Echizen's stats are boosted by 1.5 points. Alternatively, Echizen can copy any one Effect of a player, whom he faced in this season.

What do you guys think?