Game Fan League Discussion Thread

[FrostyMouse]

That works fine.

 

[Hardy]

Another thing we could potentially do is add a rule that the pair you put into D3 has to have the lowest base total of the three whereas the one in D1 needs to have the highest. No idea if you guys would like this, but it'd probably allow for better planning. I don't think this would've worked with singles because some matches are just too static there, but it might be good for doubles - thoughts?

What if we give every character a fav position, and that will give the player a stat boost if he plays wherever he likes? Sounds better than just forcing it.

Liking Data Players so far even though I'm extremely lazy to check how Mitsuya does against others in the 11-20. Kinda the same with Krauser but I assume you nerfed him.

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Rly liking the rest of the chars.

What does ¨speed return¨ mean though (Miyako/Hakamada)? Sorry if you explained it before.

Yay the twins are dif.

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Sieg's revenge would combo nicely with the ¨fav position¨ thingie I suggested

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Liking Migihashi as well ^^

I like the idea of buffing stats of some chars too, kinda wonder how they all end up tho.

I think the 4 categories would be cool btw, but it does sound way harder to make (and in the end... maybe too much) than just having them react to a KO.

Sorry for taking long yet writing little ^^'

 

[Kaoz]

What if we give every character a fav position, and that will give the player a stat boost if he plays wherever he likes? Sounds better than just forcing it.

Well, the idea behind forcing it is that you don't have those blowout victories anymore. I'm willing to entertain this idea though, my question now is: how would those positions be determined?

Liking Data Players so far even though I'm extremely lazy to check how Mitsuya does against others in the 11-20. Kinda the same with Krauser but I assume you nerfed him.

Taking a quick look, Mitsuya loses to Fuwa, Date and Hakamada and beats the rest.

I did nerf Krauser. He has pretty much exactly one shot at the KO now. The conditions for dodging that one are the same as for 10BS though, so he's not bad.

What does ¨speed return¨ mean though (Miyako/Hakamada)? Sorry if you explained it before.

Basically it refers to an ability checking their Speed stat. E.g. one ability might say "ACE if opponent's Speed is less than 4", and in that case Miyako and Hakamada don't return their real Speed but a modified value.

 

[Hardy]

Oh the speed thingie is pretty cool.

Well, the idea behind forcing it is that you don't have those blowout victories anymore. I'm willing to entertain this idea though, my question now is: how would those positions be determined?

Yeah I know, I got it (and I think it would be nice tbh), but I just thought that maybe something like this would be better.

Well... with the manga I guess. Maybe some certain chars can be picked not to have a fav position (Tezuka?) but a lot of characters usually (not always) play in the same spot (Yukimura, Atobe, Golden Pair, Sengoku, etc...).

 

[Kaoz]

Yeah I know, I got it (and I think it would be nice tbh), but I just thought that maybe something like this would be better.

Well... with the manga I guess. Maybe some certain chars can be picked not to have a fav position (Tezuka?) but a lot of characters usually (not always) play in the same spot (Yukimura, Atobe, Golden Pair, Sengoku, etc...).

I'll go through the information we have available and see how many patterns I can find. If there's enough patterns I'll try to come up with something.

---------- Post added July 13, 2015 at 01:38 PM ---------- Previous post was June 20, 2015 at 04:29 PM ----------

So at the above, I didn't really come up with much I fear. Once you get to SPoT there's a lot more variety due to characters that would normally fulfill the same role being on the same team. I think it could work for some select few still, but not so much on a larger scale.

Someone asked if Konomi has decided on a name for Zaizen's special move(s). The answer: "Zaizen Temari", "Zaizen Mokuba", "Zaizen Wandaho." Temari is a kind of handball apparently, google says mokuba is a wooden horse, and wandaho stands for wonderful? Konomi says that he leaves the effects of those moves up to the reader's imagination.

Also, should we do something with this? Valid answers to this question are "Yes.", "Yes!" and "YES!!!!!!!!!!".

Lastly, I've decided that I'd like to start the next season in the first or second week of September.

 

[-Ken-]

Don't people play temari by kicking it in the air until it fall down? Hard to see it work with tennis though. Maybe it's a knock to the ball up and make it a drop shot? That'll be my guess anyways.

 

[Kaoz]

Apparently it's something like that. I'd say it would be a volley for sure and it'd probably fly up high in the air, but making a drop shot out of that seems kind of suicidal? The opponent would have all the time in the world to run up to the net and smash it right back. Unless it's like this. But outside of that I'd think it's like a lob volley.

As for Zaizen Mokuba, I imagine it would be a tactical shot that opens the court, so that the following shot is a winner.

 

[Hardy]

According to what Ken said, I can imagine it being a volley for sure too. I agree that it could be a well aimed lob volley, makes a lot of sense. Can I get a translation or something like that about the other two?

Also, should we do something with this? Valid answers to this question are "Yes.", "Yes!" and "YES!!!!!!!!!!".

Well, imo Yes, as long as it can be also Yes!

On the other hand, YES!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kaoz]

Mokuba = Wooden horse
Only thing I can think of here is the Trojan Horse.

Wandaho = Wonderful
Could be pretty much anything.

 

[Hardy]

Mokuba = Wooden horse
Only thing I can think of here is the Trojan Horse.

Wandaho = Wonderful
Could be pretty much anything.

Ok the Trojan horse was the first time that came into my mind as well (same with the lob volley btw, this is scary '-' )... and I'm also thinking it could be what you said, lol. Zaizen hits an approach shot, that seems easy to return, but then Zaizen easily predicts the direction and ends the point with a volley.

As he's an all rounder, and we thought of 2 volley shots (or well, 1 volley and 1 approach), I'd like ¨wonderful¨ to be something from the back court.

 

[-Ken-]

Kemari usually don't go that high, but it's just a move name so I guess it might not matter that much.

I'll like to see kemari being a volley/drop shot hit using the racquet itself. It would be a cool way to display a genius part of Zaizen..

 

[Kaoz]

I'll like to see kemari being a volley/drop shot hit using the racquet itself. It would be a cool way to display a genius part of Zaizen..

I'm not sure I really understand what you mean - could you describe it a little more?

 

[-Ken-]

Well, the goal of kemari is to keep the ball flying. It doesn't necessary have to fly high or anything. On the other hand, if you can't keep the ball going, that's pretty much a lose. So I was thinking if Zaizen can hit a ball using his racquet toward the opponent, hitting the opponent gut in a way that make the ball fly high and not fall into Zaizen court, that would be cool.

 

[Kaoz]

Oh, so you mean kinda like Atobe's smashes, except he'd aim for the strings instead of the grip?

---------- Post added at 12:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:12 AM ----------

This is what I'm getting so far:

Hikaru Zaizen [15, SB: 1, HP: 5, AR, L]
(SPE: 3, POW: 2, STA: 3, MEN: 4, TEC: 3)

-Genius of Shitenhouji [Auto]:
Every opponent's highest stat decreases by 1. If an opponent has multiple highest stats, they all decrease by 1.

-Zaizen's Wooden Horse [Auto]:
If Mental exceeds an opponent's Mental, that opponent's stats return at -1 when checked for ACE effects.

-Zaizen Temari [Special - Lv 2]:
Data: ???
Extra: If ???, opponent's Mental decreases by 1 during the following point.

-Zaizen Wonderful [Special - Lv 2]:
Data: Power increases by 1, Mental increases by 1, Technique increases by 1.
Extra: ACE if every opponent's highest stat is less than 3.


To explain Wooden Horse, let's say an opponent has 4 Technique. When an ACE effect checks for Technique (e.g. ACE if opponent's Technique is less than 4), Technique is treated as if it was only a 3 and not a 4. This doesn't apply to stuff like HP damage calculations though.

Haven't fleshed out Temari yet, but I think I'd like that kind of effect so that it has good synergy with his other abilities.

As you can probably tell, Zaizen is mostly a supporting character like this, but considering his stats anything more is probably unrealistic at this point in time.

---------- Post added July 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM ---------- Previous post was July 18, 2015 at 12:20 PM ----------

Spoiler

Amadeus
Camus
Frankensteiner
Shuusuke
Momoshiro
Ootori
Kenya
Yuushi
Q.P.
Reinhardt
Sengoku
Shishido
Tokugawa
Valentine
Watanabe
Volk
Yamato
Yukimura
Zaizen

This is mostly a note for myself which characters I still have to create or complete for next season. I more or less have something in mind for all of them, but if anyone wants to make any suggestions they're of course welcome to do so. Below are also the stats I'm going to use for the top level characters in that list.

Spoiler: Stats

??? Amadeus [32, SB: 2, HP: 11, AR, R]
(SPE: 7, POW: 6, STA: 5, MEN: 6, TEC: 8)

Leopold Camus [31, SB: 2, HP: 10, SV, L]
(SPE: 8, POW: 5, STA: 5, MEN: 6, TEC: 7)

Q.P. [30, SB: 3, HP: 12, AR, L]
(SPE: 6, POW: 6, STA: 6, MEN: 6, TEC: 6)

Ralph Reinhardt [30, SB: ?, HP: ?, ?, ?]
(Unsure about the exact distribution, but it's gonna be 8/7/6/5/4 with the 8 being in Mental.)

Kazuya Tokugawa [27.5, SB: 3, HP: 11, AR, L]
(SPE: 5.5, POW: 5.5, STA: 5.5, MEN: 5.5, TEC: 5.5)

Jürgen Volk [33, SB: 3, HP: , AB, R]
(SPE: 6, POW: 6, STA: 7, MEN: 8, TEC: 6)

 

[-Ken-]

Amadeus doesn't even appear in the series yet? XD

 

[Kaoz]

Amadeus doesn't even appear in the series yet? XD

When has that ever stopped me?

 

[Kaoz]

I'd like to hear some wrestling themed moveset ideas for Frankensteiner.

---------- Post added August 26, 2015 at 09:46 AM ---------- Previous post was August 24, 2015 at 09:29 AM ----------

Progress post featuring Fuji, Momoshiro, Kimijima, Kenya, Yuushi, QP, Sengoku and Tokugawa.

Spoiler

Shuusuke Fuji [20, SB: 1, HP: 7, AR, R]
(SPE: 4, POW: 3, STA: 4, MEN: 4, TEC: 5)

-Prodigy [Auto]:
During decisive points, Mental increases by 1 and the Lv of Specials increases by 2.

-White Dragon [Special - Lv 3]:
Data: Technique increases by 4.
Extra: ACE if every opponent's combined Mental and Technique is less than [6 + Lv of partner's Special].

-Closed Eyes [Special - Lv 3]:
Activation: Cannot be negated by Data Tennis. All opponents' Data Tennis is negated.
Data: Speed increases by 1, Mental increases by 1, Technique increases by 1.
Extra: ACE if every opponent's combined Speed and Mental is less than 9.

-Hollyhock Blizzard [Special - Lv 4]:
Data: Power increases by 3, Technique increases by 2. All opponents' Power increases at -5.
Extra: ACE if every opponent's combined Speed and Technique is less 11 than and every opponent's combined Power and Technique is less than 11.


Takeshi Momoshiro [16, SB: 2, HP: 7, AB, R]
(SPE: 3, POW: 4, STA: 3, MEN: 3, TEC: 3)

-Ruffian [Counter]:
Triggers if HP decreases or partner's HP decreases. Power permanently increases by 1, Mental permanently increases by 1.

-Bullet Serve [Serve - Lv 1]:
Activation: Can only be used once during the match.
Data: Power increases by 2.
Extra: ACE if any opponent's Power is less than 4.

-Black Jack Knife [Special - Lv 3]:
Activation: Opponent's Specials with Lv <= 3 are negated.
Data: Power increases by 5.
Extra: ACE if every opponent's Power is less than 5. If ACE and an opponent's Power is less than 4, that opponent's HP decreases by 3.

-Beware of THAT [Formation]:
If every opponent's Mental is less than 5, all opponents' Speed decreases by 1. After winning a point, if an ACE effect was successfully activated and every opponent's Mental is less than 5, all opponents' Speed permanently decreases by 1.


Ikuto Kimijima [25, SB: 2, HP: 8, AR, R]
(SPE: 5, POW: 4, STA: 4, MEN: 7, TEC: 5)

-Intellitennis [Auto]:
All opponents' Serves/Specials with Lv <= 4 are negated.

-Slow Server [Auto]:
SB decreases by 2. When serving, ACE if any opponent's combined Speed and Mental is less than 5.

-Negotiation [Special - Lv 5]:
Activation: Requires Intellitennis. Cannot be negated. Intellitennis affects Serves/Specials with Lv <= 5 instead. After activation, Stamina decreases by 2 instead of 1.
Data: If an opponent's Serve/Special was negated, all opponents' Mental permanently decreases by 3, and in Doubles, the opposing pair's Support Bonus permanently decreases by 2.

-Data Doubles - Negotiations Complete [Formation]:
Only activates if partner activates Data Tennis. Intellitennis affects Serves/Specials with Lv <= 5. During points Negotiation activates, Intellitennis affects Serves/Specials with Lv <= 6 instead. After Negotiation's activation, Stamina decreases by 1 instead of 2.


Kenya Oshitari [18, SB: 1, HP: 6, CP, R]
(SPE: 5, POW: 3, STA: 3, MEN: 3, TEC: 4)

-Naniwa's Speed Star [Auto]:
At the end of a point, if Speed exceeds an opponent's Power or Technique, that opponent's Stamina decreases by 0.5.

-East-West-Manzai [Auto]:
Only activates with Yuushi as partner. Mental increases by 1. Opponent's Stamina decreases by 1 through Naniwa's Speed Star instead.

-Speed Tennis [Special - Lv 2]:
Data: Speed increases by 3.
Extra: ACE if Speed exceeds every opponent's Speed, Power and Technique.


Yuushi Oshitari [18, SB: 1, HP: 6, AR, R]
(SPE: 3, POW: 3, STA: 3, MEN: 4, TEC: 5)

-Hyoutei's Genius [Auto]:
Opponent's Specials with Lv <= 2 are negated. Opponent's Formations are negated.

-Sealed Heart [Auto]:
When checked, Mental returns at +2. While Mental is 3 or higher, Combination Shot cannot be negated.

-East-West-Manzai [Auto]:
Only activates with Kenya as partner. Speed increases by 1. Hyoutei's Genius affects Specials with Lv <= 3 instead.

-Combination Shot [Special – Lv 2]:
Data: Speed, Power and Technique combined increase by 3. (Choose distribution before the match.)
Extra: ACE if two of Speed/Power/Technique are greater than every opponent's respective stats.


Q.P. [30, SB: 3, HP: 12, AR, L]
(SPE: 6, POW: 6, STA: 6, MEN: 6, TEC: 6)

-Perfect Play [Auto]:
Opponents' Serves/Specials with Lv <= 6 are negated.

-Data Tennis [Auto]:
If any opponent's Mental is less than 6, their lowest base stat (if multiple stats are tied for lowest, priority is left to right) decreases by 3. If every opponent's Mental is less than 6, Speed increases by 1 and Technique increases by 1.

-Data Doubles - Perfect Data [Formation]:
Only activates of both partners activate Data Tennis. Data Tennis is negated. Partner's Data Tennis is negated. If any opponent's Mental is less than 8, their lowest base stat (if multiple stats are tied for lowest, priority is left to right) decreases by 5. If every opponent's Mental is less than 6, both partners' Speed increases by 1 and their Technique increases by 1.


Kiyosumi Sengoku [17, SB: 1, HP: 6, AR, R]
(SPE: 2, POW: 3, STA: 3, MEN: 5, TEC: 4)

-Lucky Sengoku [Auto]:
Cannot be copied. Wins points in case of a tie. During decisive points, Mental increases by 1.

-Motion Vision [Auto]:
Cannot be copied. All opponents' Speed decreases by 1. Opponent's Speed increases at -1, opponent's Power increases at -1. When checked, Speed returns at +1.

-Comeback [Auto]:
When winning a point after not activating a Serve/Special and partner not activating a Serve/Special, every opponent's Mental permanently decreases by 1.

-Kohou [Serve - Lv 1]:
Data: Power increases by 1, Technique increases by 1.
Extra: ACE if any opponent's combined Speed and Mental is [7 - number of times Kohou was used before].


Kazuya Tokugawa [25, SB: 2, HP: 10, AR, L]
(SPE: 5, POW: 5, STA: 5, MEN: 5, TEC: 5)

-Loyalty [Auto]:
Only activates with Oni, Irie or Ryoma on the same team. Mental increases by 2 and cannot decrease.

-Divine Path of the Asura [Auto]:
Mental increases by 1. If Mental is higher than 5, Speed increases by 1, Power increases by 1, Technique increases by 1, SB increases by 1 and, when serving, ACE if any opponent's combined Speed and Mental is less than 9.

-Glowing Destruction [Special - Lv 6]:
Activation: After activation, Stamina decreases by 0.5 instead of 1.
Data: Power increases by [Mental + 2].
Extra: ACE if every individual opponent's combined Power and Technique is less than 11. If ACE and an opponent's Speed is less than 5, that opponent's HP decreases by [Mental + 2].

-Black Hole [Special - Lv 7]:
Activation: Only activates twice per match. Extra of all opponents' Serves/Specials is negated.
Data: Technique increases by 3. All opponents' total decreases to base total and cannot increase.

Don't have the time to say something about all of them, so my only comment for today is that Hollyhock Blizzard might change a bit if I get any better ideas for it.

---------- Post added August 27, 2015 at 10:08 AM ---------- Previous post was August 26, 2015 at 09:46 AM ----------

Spoiler: Nobuteru

Mavuto Nobuteru [20, SB: 3, HP: 10, AB, R]
(SPE: 3, POW: 6, STA: 4, MEN: 4, TEC: 3)

-Rockstar [Auto]:
After winning a point, if any opponent's Mental is less than 4, their Mental permanently decreases by 1.

-Intimidation Tactics [Auto]:
If an opponent's Mental is less than 3, their Specials with Lv <= 3 are negated.

-Burning Scattered Fireworks [Serve - Lv 3]:
Data: Power increases by 1, Technique increases by 3.
Extra: ACE if any opponent's combined Power and Technique is less than 8.

Spoiler: Oliver

Oliver Philips [13, SB: 1, HP: 5, CP, R]
(SPE: 2, POW: 2, STA: 3, MEN: 2, TEC: 4)

-Ambition [Auto]:
During decisive points, Mental increases by 2 and cannot decrease.

-The "real" Ryoga Echizen [Auto]:
Only activates with Ryoga on the same team. Name changes to Ryoga Echizen.

 

[Seakay]

My wrestling knowledge isn't that great for Frankensteiner but let's see here.


Frankensteiner [15, SB: 2, HP: 8, AR, R]
(SPE: 2, POW: 3, STA: 4, MEN: 3, TEC: 3)

-Hulk Up [Auto]:
When Stamina reaches 0 for the first time, Stamina returns to base value and other stats cannot decrease.

-Piledriver [Special - Level 2]:
Activation: After activation, Stamina decreases by 2 instead of 1.
Data: Power increases by 3.
Extra: ACE if Power exceeds any opponent's highest stat. If ACE, each opponent loses 1 HP.

 

[Hardy]

My wrestling knowledge isn't that great for Frankensteiner but let's see here.


Frankensteiner [15, SB: 2, HP: 8, AR, R]
(SPE: 2, POW: 3, STA: 4, MEN: 3, TEC: 3)

-Hulk Up [Auto]:
When Stamina reaches 0 for the first time, Stamina returns to base value and other stats cannot decrease.

-Piledriver [Special - Level 2]:
Activation: After activation, Stamina decreases by 2 instead of 1.
Data: Power increases by 3.
Extra: ACE if Power exceeds any opponent's highest stat. If ACE, each opponent loses 1 HP.

I was actually thinking something more visual than in-game.

Spoiler: Diving Bulldog

Or well, diving shepherd '-'

He stands on the net pole (or wtv that it's called) then makes a jump and hits a volley like Kikumaru Bazooka. Kinda close to a Cool Drive.

Spoiler: German Suplex

But imagine that with a tennis racket instead of a person

It could have 2 uses. A counter to a lob, were he hits an unexpected shot as strong as a regular drive. Or it could be a mix between Myougi and Viking Horn, yet way better.

 

[-Ken-]

How about chair shot? Shot the ball at empire chair and knock it into opponents. Lol.