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Okay, how should i begin, hmm ...
First, i should tell everyone : French is a VERY difficult langage, yes :) And I just don't know every things about it yet, like many french after all... ^^
The most difficult thing in french is : The grammar. So i should begin with the study of grammar.

FIRST : GRAMMAR ( it will be long ... VERY long ... hum ... )

First, i should talk about the present. Yeah, the bases... But this is the worst part... Because times are very difficult to learn. It's very diffrent from the English, 'cause you have many, many irregularities.
First, the pronouns. I'll make a list :
English : French :
I Je
You Tu
he, she, it Il, Elle, On
We Nous
You Vous
They Ils

The first 3 are pronouns which design only one person or thing, the last 3 is used for 2 people or more ( plurial ... ). The problem is " It" in french ... We don't make the difference between things and human beings.
An exception is : "On". It's in many cases the same as "We"... But we use it with a singular verb ... Now, i should show you how to use theses pronouns, "Pronoms" in french...

Okay, now i shall begin with : "To be". In french : " être "

English : French :

I am Je suis
You are Tu es
he is, she is, it is Il est, Elle est, On est
We are Nous sommes
You are Vous êtes
They are Ils sont

First, learn it by heart, there's no other way !! Just repeat it again and again, like when you were learning english too, huhu ^^
I'll give you some simple exemple : " Je suis dans le train. " ---> " I am in the train ".
" Nous sommes désolés ..." ----- >" We are sorry... "
" Ils sont vraiment énervés " ------> " They are really angry ! "

Another verb, " Avoir " or " To have ", simple present :

English : French :

I have J'ai
You have Tu as
He has, She has, It has Il a, elle a, on a
We have Nous avons
You have Vous avez
They have Ils ont

I repeat : "It" does not mean "On" !!!
You should see that I wrote : " J'" instead of "Je".
Before every vowel : a, e, i, o u, y , we say : "J'" ... No exceptions.
Like : " J'aime écrire" -----> " I love writing ".
Don't worry if you don't understand now ... ( It's a little difficult for me too, to translate everything and not to make any mistakes ... )
Exemples : " I have Naruto GC 4 ! " ------- > " J'ai Naruto GC 4 !"
" He has some homework to do " ---- > " Il a des devoirs à faire "
I'll pass for other forms, these two are the most useful !

Now the type of verbs.
3 types exists, it depends on the ending of the verb.
Exemple : " Manger " ( to eat ) -er
Je mange, Tu manges, Il mange, nous mangeons, vous mangez, ils mangent ...
-e -es -e -ons -ez -ent
Look at : " Tuer " ( to kill ) -er
Je tue , Tu tues, Il tue, Nous tuons, Vous tuez, Ils tuent.
-e -es -e -ons -ez -ent
For " Manger", cut it like this : Mang - er
For " Tuer" : Tu - er
You see ? Easy ! the ending : - er is the easiest conjugation.

Now the second type : -ir.
Like : " Dormir " ( to sleep )
Je dors, Tu dors, Il dort, Nous dormons, Vous dormez, Ils dorment.
-s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
Or : " Partir " ( to leave a place )
Je pars, Tu pars, Il part, Nous partons, Vous partez, Ils partent.
-s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
Do the same as -er : Dor(m) - ir : Je dor -s, tu dor -s, il dor -t ...
Exercice 1 : ( easy ) -----> Do it for : Partir.








Answer : Part - ir : Je par - s, Tu par -s, .......
Got it ?

The 3rd type take the rest of the verbs, there are some irregularities ...
For exemple : " Boire " ( to drink ) -oire
Je bois, Tu bois, Il boit, Nous buvons, Vous buvez, Ils boivent.
Or : " Vivre " ( to live )
Je vis, tu vis, il vit, nous vivons, vous vivez, ils vivent.
Or : " Prendre " ( to take ) -dre
Je prends, Tu prends, il prend, nous prenons, vous prenez, ils prennent. Look at the "nn" ! Yeah, we have to double it ... Don't tell me why :p
" Vendre " ( to sell ) -dre
Je vends, tu vends, il vend, nous vendons, vous vendez, ils vendent.
" Voir " ( to see ) - oir
Je vois, Tu vois, Il voit, Nous voyons, Vous voyez, Ils voient.

There are many, many, many,many ... moto, moto ... errrr sorry :)
many verbs like that ! If you want exemples, go on my e-mail, if you see some verbs taht don't look like -er or -ir ... If you really want a list of irregularities, i think there are some on the net. Or go buy a grammar English / French book.

I'm a little tired, so i'll stop here. If you want to improve a little, try to take these verbs out :
" Entendre " ( to hear ), " Penser " ( to think ), " Croire " ( to believe ), " Savoir " ( to know ), " Attendre " ( to wait for ).
Finally, i'll show you another irregular form :
" Faire " --- > " To do ".
Je fais, tu fais, il fait, nous faisons, vous faites, ils font.

See ya ! Hope you'll like it. Suggestions, direct help : maggeus@hotmail.com
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

Merci, Maggeus! Tu es awesome!

Hmm.. Entendre, I'll take a crack:

Je entends; Tu entends; Il entend; Nous entenons; Vouz entenez; Ils entendent?
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

Wow that's awesome! After I study Japanese a tad bit longer, I'll look back into learning French...
But really, great job :ossu
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

grammar? french grammar isn't hard...it's the exceptions on the rule that make it so bludy annoying :P
hell, if you count all the years I was forced to learn french you could say I spend 2 years on learning the rules and 5 on the irregularities.

funny thing about french is that they never lose their accent, even when talking foreign languages :D
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

O.O and i thought japanese was hard.
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

héhé pas mal gold knight ! ( not bad ! )
Don't forget that after a vowel, Je become "J'", so it is : j'entends :)
Mmm ... Hey, in fact, "entendre" is a little different from "prendre". I verify, and Prendre is a little irregular, sorry for not saying it before !
If fact, "Prendre" is ( for we and you plurial ) : Nous prenons, Vous prenez.
If you take, for instance, Vendre : Je vends, Tu vends, Il vend, Nous venDons, Vous venDez, ils venDent. ( = Sell )
I'll try to make a list for everyone :)
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

it's my first french lesson, i gonna try to make a sentence..

le français n'est pas si difficile que ça :p

it's true conjugate a verb isn't as easy as in english.. but it's not so hard.. when you know the rules ^^
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

Very good sentence ... It's not so hard when you know the rules, BUT many verbs are tresspassing the rules :p
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

It's very similar to Italian. To be in Italian is essere, and to have in Italian is avere.

Anyway, thanks for posting! *Starts memorizing all that stuff*
 

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Amaethon said:
It's very similar to Italian.
yeah, what a coincidence....
 

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MaggeuS said:
Very good sentence ... It's not so hard when you know the rules, BUT many verbs are tresspassing the rules :p
maybe.. parce que je suis français :p (je pensais pas qu'il y avait autant de français ici, je pensais être un cas isolé avec amidamaru ^^)

else i find spanish is more similar to french than italian.. but on other side, i speak a lot more spanish than italian ^^
 

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Ehhh, French grammar is easy! Then again, I live in Canada, and am quite often exposed to French.

En passant, est-tu francais/quebecois...? Ou, est-ce que tu simplement un étudiant..?
 

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MaggeuS said:
Now the second type : -ir.
Like : " Dormir " ( to sleep )
Je dors, Tu dors, Il dort, Nous dormons, Vous dormez, Ils dorment.
-s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
Or : " Partir " ( to leave a place )
Je pars, Tu pars, Il part, Nous partons, Vous partez, Ils partent.
-s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
Do the same as -er : Dor(m) - ir : Je dor -s, tu dor -s, il dor -t ...
Exercice 1 : ( easy ) -----> Do it for : Partir.
"Dormir" and "partir" are part of the third group :)
verb from the second group finish in -ir and their "participe présent" ends in -issant,
Participe présent; dormir-> dormant partir-> partant
example
"finir" means to finish
je finis
tu finis
il,elle, on finit
nous finissons
vous finissez
ils,elles finissent

Participe présent: finissant
"haïr" means to hate
je hais
tu hais
il,elle, on hait
nous haïssons
vous haïssez
ils, elles haïssent
participe présent: haïssant


The 3rd group is made of all the other verbs.
 

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MaggeuS said:
Very good sentence ... It's not so hard when you know the rules, BUT many verbs are tresspassing the rules :p
which makes Japanese REALLY easy to learn, you can count all the irregular verbs that you'll typically see in your life, on one hand :D
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

Thanks again Maggeus, I did forget the "before vowel rule" for Je/J, sorry about that.  ^_^

I did wonder about why "Prendre" was different from "Vendre," I just decided to take the former to do "Entendre".  I should've asked about that.

And also thanks to spirou for clarifying on "Dormir" and the Part 2 group.

Don't let me make you rush your lessons, but I do have a few questions for basic conversation, how would I say in French -

"My name is _____"
"I am _____"
"Hello"
"How are you"
"I'm fine"
"I'm not feeling well"
"Good morning"
"Good night"
"You're Welcome"
"What?"
"Good-bye"
 

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Peliqua said:
Ehhh, French grammar is easy! Then again, I live in Canada, and am quite often exposed to French.

En passant, est-tu francais/quebecois...? Ou, est-ce que tu simplement un étudiant..?
Same with me, I get french forsefully drilled into my head for an 1 hour a day. Once you can conjucate, understand the verbs, infinitifes etc it becomes pretty easy.Atleast that is my philosophy on french.
 

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"My name is _____" Je m'appelle______
"I am _____" Je suis______
"Hello" Salut
"How are you" Comment tu vas ?
"I'm fine" Je vais bien
"I'm not feeling well" Je ne me sens pas bien
Je me sens pas bien -> grammatically wrong but used in oral
"Good morning" Bonjour
"Good night" Bonne nuit
"You're Welcome" :
If you use "you" for a man/boy then the sentence is
Tu es le bienvenu or when you speak it can also be: T'es le bienvenu,
For a woman/girl
tu es la bienvenue /T'es la bienvenue
there's the "vous de politesse" , means the same as tu but is more polite:
vous êtes la bienvenue ->for a woman
vous êtes le bienvenu -> for a man
For a group of persons of both sex
Vous êtes les bienvenus
For a group of women
Vous êtes les bienvenues

"What?" Quoi?/Que se passe-t-il?/Qu'y a-til.... depend on the context
"Good-bye" Au revoir /Salut (more familiar)
 

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Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

Okay, i see that many people want to understand french a little.
Next time ( when i'm gonna be free, today i had a HARD exam on maths, but I think i've done it well... And today, physic exam ... arggg :p ) I will make a : how to speak basic french in france ? ^^
And my final goal is : to make you understand how i translate from english to french :)
 

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MaggeuS said:
Okay, i see that many people want to understand french a little.
Next time ( when i'm gonna be free, today i had a HARD exam on maths, but I think i've done it well... And today, physic exam ... arggg :p ) I will make a : how to speak basic french in france ? ^^
And my final goal is : to make you understand how i translate from english to french :)
you gonna teach us sentences like "ziva mec pourquoi tu m'regardes" or else "j'aime bien ton blouson, passes le moi" ^^
sentences usually used in city :p

but it's true current french should be harder than current english
 

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Well as a real french (live in paris), i'll try to reply something in english :p
Although i am not as good as you i'll try.
To begin with, there is something that Maggeus forgot, when he tok for example "Nous sommes désolés" :
The most difficult thing in french is when u're talking about girl(s). Here when you say "Nous sommes désolés" it is right just for many people but it must have at least a guy into the 'Nous' ('Us''We') (Is what i say english ? ^o) )
When you are talking about many girlS, it will be a little different "Nous sommes désoléEs".
;)
Pour finir, le tout en français mes chers !!
Maggeus pour un non français tu te débrouilles pas mal.
Akasuna no Imax -> C'est une minorité, mais c'est dans chaque pays pareil, idem pour les états unis ;) aka in english "Y'man whashu're lookin'at ?!" and "i luv that gimme u're shoes !!" (lol that was just a fiction).

PS: Just do like i do, if it sound well then it's correct ! lol ! That what i do for english verb like "listening TO", "looking FOR" etc.

Edit : For Wraith : U made a mistake, "Est-tu français/québécois...?"
The form of the verb using "Tu" has no "t" -> "Es-tu français" (don't forget "ç" la cécédille)

Just try to translate that ;)

"Bon les mectons, le français n'est pas trs académique à comprendre sourtout si nous, "experts", nous nous mettons à parler en sous entendu, ce qui rend la comprehension d'autant plus difficile qu'une simple phrase peut l'être.
@ Imax : Faut éviter qu'ils comprennent le français tel des experts, il nous serait alors impossible de nous foutre d'eux.... il faut avoir un côté avide.... :p"
 
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