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Let's discuss all the possibilities concerning the nature of Lancelot & Tristan's innate magic abilities.

I shall start with Tristan. I personally think that "Nova" has something to do with the Book of Stars that appeared in 7DS: Origin:

Long ago, a giant craftsman discovered a radiant gemstone that seemed to contain the universe.
This gemstone, named "Seongyuseok," meaning "the stone where stars flow," was processed by the craftsman's unique skills to create "The Book of Stars."
"The Book of Stars," capable of amplifying all magic beyond its limits, was as dangerous as its power.
Due to a certain incident, a rampage occurred, twisting the past and future of Britannia (Tristan and Tioreh fall in some kind of huge cave, and that’s where they discover the Book of Stars’ altar. The light coming from the altar attracts Tristan and tries to touch it, but it was about to explode and Tioreh pushes him away. The explosion comes out upwards and that is when the temporal distortion occurs.
In the stone chamber connected to the red tree, as Tristan was uncovering secrets, an unknown light emerged before him, and Tristan, unconsciously, reached out towards the light."
The star to which Tristan was attracted "subconsciously" underwent a phenomenon that is 100% identical to the definition of "Nova" as " a star that suddenly becomes thousands of times brighter and then gradually fades to its original intensity."

The most interesting part is that "Stars" here seem to have Time-based effects / abilities, which is NOT the first time to happen in manga / fiction (i.e. Yuno's Star Magic and its Never-Never Land application)

What do you think?
 
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I don't think it's anything like that. The time-space shenanigans seem like an excuse for the plot. Also, if we believe that Tristan has been using it already (I do), nothing he has shown makes me think of an ability related to space and time. There is healing but he is definitely not healing people by rewinding time or something like that.
 

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The time-space shenanigans seem like an excuse for the plot.
The main / inaugural part of that plot is pretty much canon, given that it's the same plot that introduced Tioreh & Tristan (Tri-Tri) to each other, and later on both of them to Hawk-chan. if the plot is non-canon, can you tell us then when did Tioreh met Tristan cuz just couple chapters ago, she seems to know him very well even calling him "Tri-Tri" as she first did in the game?
Even if we assume that the "Book of Stars" plot is not canon, that doesn't change the fact that [Stars & Astral-powers] do have Time-based effects. Nakaba seems to be behind the characters' skills and he keeps reviewing the story and skills " so that the worldview and narrative framework do not deviate ":
- "What was the reaction of the original author (Nakaba Suzuki)?"
"Koo Do-Hyung: He was very interested. He designed the characters himself. He gave us a lot of details about the characters' skills in relation to the original work, which made it difficult to develop. We are carefully verifying the story, skills, and design by having Suzuki Nakaba review the story so that the worldview and narrative framework do not deviate. I remember having a lot of fun with the setting".
Now the question: is this conjunction between Astral-powers and Temporal effects a random one? or is it consistent across fiction and manga?

Using his "Star-Magic" Yuno can control the flow of Time by having stars rotate inside a certain area enclosed by a dome of magic:

The very SAME move was used by Asuka Yoshina from Psyren manga by using his "Star Space":
P.S: The mode / state in which Asuka Yoshina is able to use that move is called: Nova :eyeroll

There's also the stand of Jotaro Kujo "Star Platinum" from JoJo manga which has the ability to stop time:

Last but not least, there is also Chaos itself; the drive of power capable of warping Time and Space (Reality itself) was born amidst Stars and we can clearly see a "brighter star" aka "Nova" behind his figure here:

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Also, if we believe that Tristan has been using it already (I do),
Any reason backing your belief? If it is just because you see Tristan using Ark techniques that include the word "Star" in their labels (Heal Star, Twinkling Star), then you should also believe that Nanashi too has Nova as an innate magic cuz his ultimate move is named "Instant Cross Star", no?
 
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I'm not a friend of the assumption that Nakaba takes literal physics into account when creating Tristan's abilities and his magic power. But for the sake of the argument, let's pretend we know for certain that he does:

The whole time stuff notwithstanding (since I believe it would burst the whole idea of a magic power at its seams; it is far too complicated and convoluted to be condensed into an understandable fashion for the target audience), you could say that "Nova" describes the two polar opposites of his gene magics at their extremes: Right before the total collapse of matter and event-horizoning, so to speak, Tristan can create an extremely bright and powerful magical explosion.

Normally that could already be done with his darkness part alone because that is proven already to grow dense enough to possess literal mass. Taken to the extreme, his darkness powers alone should be able to compress darkness energy to the point of near-collapse and creating something similar to a miniature neutron star OR, taken further, a gravity well. Neither has any real scientific basis in the manga though, because the darkness power isn't really proven to be made up of the required elements like in the real world, bla bla bla. I'm going on a tangent already, but it's necessary.

So, to make up for all this in a more simplified fashion - Nakaba will have the "neutron star" effect represented by the bright energy of Tristan's goddess power and the "black hole" effect by the demonic darkness power. Juxtaposing both of these at the same time at the same level and having them clash will create the perfect destructive force or something like that. I think we saw the proto move of this when Gawain gave him the hint vs the Testament Beast. Naturally, this will be nothing like the mastered form which is probably going to be the perfect balance between expanding and collapsing massive amounts of power. Tristan will likely also learn to tip the balance for either of the sides (exploding or imploding) should he so desire or need to. That, at least, is my take on what it most likely is going to be. He will, of course, also maintain all the other bonuses of both sides of his gene magic. Healing, potential curses and dispelling thereof, massive stat boost, gravity effects, and so on.
 

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I like the idea of powers that are themed around astral bodies on paper, but in practice it's difficult not to have them be too broken. If Tristan could warp time and space itself I feel like it would be too much, that he would become a Mary Sue/Gary Stu type of character. So far Nakaba has kept things more "believable", to a certain capacity given it's a shounen.
If I would venture to guess what Nova is, it could be a very amped up explosion. Perhaps Tristan concentrates his power to it utmost limits, and I like the possible explanation given by @Yakkun. It makes sense based on Tristan's set of skills, and it could require using both his demonic and goddess powers to create a void of sorts that eats up matter. It also would be more useful in a fight than say time or space distortion, although that could have its uses.

I'm more intrigued by Hazy Moon tbh. To me it could be something related to illusions, but based on the way Lance used it, it could be related to the ebb and flow of tides, which are dictated by the moon's gravitational force. It could mean that his power could have 2 phases, but rather than his power diminishing in the ebb phase it could be he absorbs power around him, and when he's at full capacity he releases it in an explosive manner during the flow phase. Which is similar to what happened with Nanashi. It also ties in with his sobriquet: Lancelot du Lac.

At any rate both powers should be formidable but I think Nakaba will try to keep things reasonable, so imo no time and space distortion shenanigans.
 
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Hazy moon absorb magic, as we seen with his fight with nanashi.

As for nova, I don’t think we seen it yet. Just sayin Tristian is op, light magic, dark magic, healing magic, full counter, and annihilation
 

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The main / inaugural part of that plot is pretty much canon, given that it's the same plot that introduced Tioreh & Tristan (Tri-Tri) to each other, and later on both of them to Hawk-chan. if the plot is non-canon, can you tell us then when did Tioreh met Tristan cuz just couple chapters ago, she seems to know him very well even calling him "Tri-Tri" as she first did in the game?
I don't believe it's canon at all. There is something between Tristan and Tioreh, yes. But this event can't be canon. It means they met before and she is closer to him in canon ie the manga that's it. It's just a nod to the game since both were used here.

Even if we assume that the "Book of Stars" plot is not canon, that doesn't change the fact that [Stars & Astral-powers] do have Time-based effects. Nakaba seems to be behind the characters' skills and he keeps reviewing the story and skills " so that the worldview and narrative framework do not deviate ":

Any reason backing your belief? If it is just because you see Tristan using Ark techniques that include the word "Star" in their labels (Heal Star, Twinkling Star), then you should also believe that Nanashi too has Nova as an innate magic cuz his ultimate move is named "Instant Cross Star", no?
No that would be silly because his Magic is named Iai. And it's name for a single technique of his. While with Tristan we have Heal Star, Twinkling Star, Star Breaker, Heavens Lighting and the technique Nakaba used from Rising Impact, Falling Star. For Lancelot, Shining Road is related to his Magic, same for Gawain with Rising Impact, why would Tristan be the exception? And we saw him fight many times, what reasons would Tristan have to not use his Magic all this time? I could be wrong, but your arguments aren't really convincing. My guess is that Nova is more of a passive ability that affects his Ark and PoD techniques, kinda like Disaster for King.

I don't believe that power related to stars are that linked to space-time manipulation but it's not very important in this discussion. There is clear spatial and time magic in this series: Teleportation and its variants, also the infamous Infinity wielded by Merlin.

Hazy moon absorb magic, as we seen with his fight with nanashi.

As for nova, I don’t think we seen it yet. Just sayin Tristian is op, light magic, dark magic, healing magic, full counter, and annihilation
It does more than that.
 
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It does more than that.
Yea I know that, I’m saying is basic power is about absorption. The question if he use it to boost his stats, like a variant of snatch
 

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An important aspect of Tristan's Nova that I think most of the discussion around it misses is the way it fits in with his other abilities. Look at the other KotA for comparison. Lancelot's fairy side gives him access to transformations and heart-reading, both of which are supplementary techniques that he can use to enhance his fighting style but which don't do anything on their own. For that he has Hazy Moon, which gives him both offensive power and defensive options. Gawain's skill-set is split between Dawn, which grants her destructive magic attacks and a boost to her physical strength, and her sorceries, which are primarily support spells like levitation, teleportation, Absolute Cancel and the like. Percival is a special case among the KotA in that he doesn't have any secondary abilities aside from his magic, which is why Nakaba made Hope into a hero-type magic that's defined by its extraordinary versatility, granting Percy offense, defense and support in one package. Returning to Tristan, we see that his racial abilities give him destructive techniques, healing, flight and a boost to his physical stats in the form of his demon mode. He doesn't need an offensive/defensive magic power like Hazy Moon or Dawn because he's already got that covered. What he's missing is something supplementary like Lancelot's transformations and heart-reading or Gawain's sorceries. That's how Nova can actually complement Tristan's other abilities instead of overlapping with them like some kind of a star nuke would.

I don't believe the book from Origin has anything to do with Nova. It would be strange if Tristan's magic was related to or originated from a video game featuring a bunch of non-canon time travel stuff. Furthermore, in one of the trailers for the game we see the book's power in action and it manifests these constellations in the air. This suggests that the book's star theme is centered around astrology, think horoscopes and the like, rather than astronomy, i.e. the scientific study of stars that the term nova is related to. Both involve stars but they are very different fields.

As for Hazy Moon, it's really just a question of how you tie together all of the unexplained abilities Lancelot has shown so far. There's Shining Road, a cylindrical barrier, enchanting arrows with some kind of an aura, forming weapons out of energy and the way he absorbed Nanashi's attack into his own magic energy. There are a couple of unclear cases as well, like how he destroyed Doronach's internal organs by slapping his stomach and made Arthur's nose bleed with a slight movement of his hand. Those might be aspects of Lancelot's magic but they could have also been a way to illustrate that he's so strong/skilled that he can inflict severe damage with light taps and so fast that his enemies can't even perceive his strikes. I'm also somewhat skeptical about the absorption technique being part of his innate magic because of its clear similarity to Lake Salisbury's ability to absorb magical energy. Nanashi even compared it to a mighty river swallowing up its tributaries which reinforces the water theme. Lancelot spent a couple of years with the Lady of the Lake and apparently became the Prince of the Lake as a result, so it's feasible that she may have bestowed her champion with some of the Lake's essence. In that case that ability would be an external power like a Commandment that exists independently from a person's innate magic. Before we know the details on that and some of the unclear techniques it's hard to say what exactly could be the common theme among all of Hazy Moon's applications. The most I can say is that it seems to include some kind of energy manipulation similar to Hope, which actually makes me a bit concerned about potential overlap between the two magics.

No that would be silly because his Magic is named Iai. And it's name for a single technique of his. While with Tristan we have Heal Star, Twinkling Star, Star Breaker, Heavens Lighting and the technique Nakaba used from Rising Impact, Falling Star. For Lancelot, Shining Road is related to his Magic, same for Gawain with Rising Impact, why would Tristan be the exception? And we saw him fight many times, what reasons would Tristan have to not use his Magic all this time? I could be wrong, but your arguments aren't really convincing. My guess is that Nova is more of a passive ability that affects his Ark and PoD techniques, kinda like Disaster for King.
You make a good point about the other KotA's signature techniques being the products of their main abilities and I agree that the same should apply to Tristan as well. I also believe that the star theme present in Tristan's techniques is hinting at Nova, because Lancelot and Gawain's techniques reference their respective celestial symbols. Gawain's Dawn attacks have names related to the sun and Lancelot's Shining Road is written as "Guidance of the Moon" in Japanese. The pattern is plain to see. However, rather than comparing Nova to Disaster I think it might actually be more similar to Infinity, i.e. like a modifier that can be placed on other techniques to alter their properties. Nova in astronomy refers to a star suddenly increasing in brightness, which would be pretty easy to spin into a magic ability that allows Tristan to boost the power of his techniques beyond their normal level, with the side effect of making them star-shaped. The problem is that a simple power boost would be a pretty uninspired magic for one of the main characters, so I'd prefer if Nakaba came up with something more creative or at least added a bit of a twist to it. Whatever the case, I'm quite confident that we have already seen Nova in action.
 

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As an addition, I'm just going to self-quote from another thread and have what I wrote on Hazy Moon added here:

I know you like to get overly scientific if it suits your fancy so I'm not even going to touch that with a ten foot pole but "Nova" is obviously a power revolving around Tristan's general theme of celestial bodies. His attacks are "falling stars", etc. Most likely because of their visual appearance and obviously because - considering the timeline this plays in - celestial bodies are widely associated with something devine which is probably what Tristan himself attributes his powers and attacks due to his heritage. Oh, and the implications of something massively explosive with destructive potential, of course.

Hazy Moon is imo the most difficult to guess because you can interpete so much into it. What is a hazy moon? One that his hardly visible, one that blinks in and out of view. Something that can play a atrick on the eye, something that is mystical. The moon is related to the tides, the moon shines a light on the path we walk. The connections here are also celestial, they are there for bodies of water, for eb and flow of tides (tides of power?), waxing and waning of forces.

It's vague but I think it summarizes at least an aspect of Lance's magic. Shining Road is the part where the moon illuminates a path to follow, as in that of Lancelot's power. Lancelot can absorb magic power, amplify his own and redirect it. There you have the tide part. Lancelot can imitate the style of others but I am not sure if that is more from his natural born abilities like heartreading and thus copying. He can recreate magical weapons from his power as well, it seems, so maybe that is both an illusionary aspect.

Or it might really be none of the above and at the core of his magic lies something else entirely more related to the Lady of the Lake who might have given name to that magic power rather than what Lancelot knows it as.
 

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My guess is that Nova is more of a passive ability that affects his Ark and PoD techniques, kinda like Disaster for King.
Alright, can you name one feature that distinguishes Tristan's Twinkle Star from Ludociel's Gold Shining? Or Healing Star from Invigorate / Be Well?
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For me, another way to approach Tristan's Nova is by linking it to his unique Being as a Nephilim. We've seen in the Demon World arc one aspect of his power as Nephilim: Annihilation, which is born from the collision of the opposing forces of Darkness and Light. The interesting possibility here is that, given the dual nature of Tristan, there could be another way to use Darkness and Light together other than making them collide and Annihilate; that is by unifying them (unity of opposites) in harmony, that way we can assume the resulting effect to be the reverse of Annihilation, which is "Restoration / Creation" and it happens to be an essential part of the Matter & Antimatter Annihilation process in Particle Physics:

How can the word "Nova" fit in here? The word itself means "New" in Latin language, and it seems to indicate the "seeming" appearance of new star in the sky. It can also refer to the birth of new stars and celestial objects from the remnants of a Star after undergoing a SuperNova.
 
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As for Hazy Moon, it's really just a question of how you tie together all of the unexplained abilities Lancelot has shown so far. There's Shining Road, a cylindrical barrier, enchanting arrows with some kind of an aura, forming weapons out of energy and the way he absorbed Nanashi's attack into his own magic energy. There are a couple of unclear cases as well, like how he destroyed Doronach's internal organs by slapping his stomach and made Arthur's nose bleed with a slight movement of his hand. Those might be aspects of Lancelot's magic but they could have also been a way to illustrate that he's so strong/skilled that he can inflict severe damage with light taps and so fast that his enemies can't even perceive his strikes. I'm also somewhat skeptical about the absorption technique being part of his innate magic because of its clear similarity to Lake Salisbury's ability to absorb magical energy. Nanashi even compared it to a mighty river swallowing up its tributaries which reinforces the water theme. Lancelot spent a couple of years with the Lady of the Lake and apparently became the Prince of the Lake as a result, so it's feasible that she may have bestowed her champion with some of the Lake's essence. In that case that ability would be an external power like a Commandment that exists independently from a person's innate magic. Before we know the details on that and some of the unclear techniques it's hard to say what exactly could be the common theme among all of Hazy Moon's applications. The most I can say is that it seems to include some kind of energy manipulation similar to Hope, which actually makes me a bit concerned about potential overlap between the two magics.
It could just be the evolved version of Ban's Snatch. Lance can absorb power around him then amplify it and return it. He can also imbue objects with his power, like the arrows. The ability to mimic techniques could be a result of heart reading. I don't necessarily think it has to do with the LotL giving him a portion of the lake's power. I feel like all these "unexplained" phenomenons are really just the result of one ability, and rather than an external factor like a grace or a commandment, it's his innate ability. It's just that he has found more applications for his ability, which makes it greater than Snatch. If he was fostered by the LotL she likely showed him how to use his ability better. Or he wasn't and he simply figured it out while trying to survive all those years when he was missing.
 

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It could just be the evolved version of Ban's Snatch. Lance can absorb power around him then amplify it and return it. He can also imbue objects with his power, like the arrows. The ability to mimic techniques could be a result of heart reading. I don't necessarily think it has to do with the LotL giving him a portion of the lake's power. I feel like all these "unexplained" phenomenons are really just the result of one ability, and rather than an external factor like a grace or a commandment, it's his innate ability. It's just that he has found more applications for his ability, which makes it greater than Snatch. If he was fostered by the LotL she likely showed him how to use his ability better. Or he wasn't and he simply figured it out while trying to survive all those years when he was missing.
Do you think Hazy Moon could be to Snatch what Physical Full Counter was to Magical Full Counter?
 

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I don't believe it's linked to Snatch at all. He has moves like energy beams and can shape it.
 

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Do you think Hazy Moon could be to Snatch what Physical Full Counter was to Magical Full Counter?
That's an interesting way to look at it. And the answer is yes, maybe. Personally I would prefer if his ability is unrelated to Snatch, but the more you look at it, the more it looks like the complementary ability to Snatch, kinda like complementary colors on the color wheel. They are opposite, but they compliment each other. He just has found more applications for it, and that's what can confuse people a bit. The difference is that he can absord the power around him, and then redistribute it into various objects or release it as an explosion/wave.
Also it could be that the name of the ability is unrelated to its effect, and it has more to do with Lance not having "a fixed appearance". Hence the Hazy part.

OR it is related and it just shows that his power can fluctuate, just like his appearance.

...that could also mean that Nakaba can make him as strong as he wants. But that's a discussion for another time and place.
 
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I don't believe that power related to stars are that linked to space-time manipulation but it's not very important in this discussion. There is clear spatial and time magic in this series: Teleportation and its variants, also the infamous Infinity wielded by Merlin.
I forgot to mention this earlier but Infinity is a not time magic. What it does is it essentially removes the upkeep of any spells she uses. For example she can light a magical campfire and the fire will keep burning forever without any need for additional fuel. The spell that Merlin used to stop her own time was not Infinity but something different, presumably similar to the spell she tried to use to stop Meliodas's time when he was in the cocoon. The problem with stopping time is that according to Greyroad, it takes a large amount of magic to twist the laws of the world, which means it's not possible to keep such a spell going for very long. You'd quickly run out of magic and then it would come undone. That's where Infinity comes in, as it meant Merlin only had to cast the spell once to keep her time stopped forever.

For me, another way to approach Tristan's Nova is by linking it to his unique Being of a Nephilim. We've seen in the Demon World arc one aspect of his power as Nephilim: Annihilation, which is born from the collision of the opposing forces of Darkness and Light. The interesting possibility here is that, given the dual nature of Tristan, there could be another way to use Darkness and Light together other than making them collide and Annihilate; that is by unifying them (unity of opposites) in harmony, that way we can assume the resulting effect to be the reverse of Annihilation, which is "Restoration / Creation" which happens to be inseparable from the Matter & Antimatter Annihilation process in Particle Physics:

How can the word "Nova" fit in here? The word itself means "New" in Latin language, and it seems to indicate the "seeming" appearance of new star in the sky. It can also refer to the birth of new stars and celestial objects from the remnants of a Star after undergoing a SuperNova.
You are making a big deal about creation but that's actually a very basic use of magic in the NnT-verse. Annihilation is when matter is converted into energy, meaning the the opposite process of creation is just magical energy being converted into matter. This happens when Escanor generates a miniature sun in his hand, for example. He takes magical energy from within his body and transforms it into physical matter, which appears to have mass and a solid form judging by that time he used one to blast Estarossa away. Tristan forming his light and dark magic into small orbs and such is also the same phenomenon. Almost every character with some kind of elemental magic, think Jericho, Pellegarde, Tarmiel and what have you, is capable of creation so it's not particularly noteworthy. Ironically the one exception seems to be the Creation magic of the giants since it's specifically about manipulating earth and rocks rather than creating them out of thin air like how most elemental magics work.

Annihilation is much rarer than creation because, as far as we know, it only happens when light and dark magic cancel each other out. What makes the Annihilation technique special is that two opposite magics cancelling each other out creates an explosion with more force than just the individual attacks on their own. Nakaba probably got the idea for the technique from the concept of using antimatter as a weapon, which is based on the fact that matter and antimatter annihilating each other is a more efficient way to produce energy than even nuclear reactions, meaning antimatter bombs would be much more destructive than nukes of the same weight. As far as Tristan is concerned, Annihilation is also convenient in the sense that it produces an explosion of raw energy, which is not affected by any resistance to light and/or dark magic like what the Testament Beast had. In a nutshell, Annihilation is a non-elemental attack that hits harder than other attacks of the same size. I don't think there's any deeper meaning to it.

It could just be the evolved version of Ban's Snatch. Lance can absorb power around him then amplify it and return it. He can also imbue objects with his power, like the arrows. The ability to mimic techniques could be a result of heart reading. I don't necessarily think it has to do with the LotL giving him a portion of the lake's power. I feel like all these "unexplained" phenomenons are really just the result of one ability, and rather than an external factor like a grace or a commandment, it's his innate ability. It's just that he has found more applications for his ability, which makes it greater than Snatch. If he was fostered by the LotL she likely showed him how to use his ability better. Or he wasn't and he simply figured it out while trying to survive all those years when he was missing.
The power absorption has a loose resemblance to Snatch but that idea falls apart when you start considering things like Lancelot's ability to fire off homing laser beams, creating barriers and forming weapons out of energy. I think Hazy Moon is something totally different, just like how I don't expect Tristan's Nova to have anything to do with his parents' magics. He's already got his father's demon mode and Full Counter along with his mother's healing prowess. That's more than enough given that you don't want the new main characters to just be a repeat of the previous ones. Lancelot has his mother's heart-reading and I think he may have inherited some of Ban's physical stats as well. The chapter in which Lancelot beat up Arthur with his bare hands was titled Hyperion, which could have been a reference to one of Nakaba's previous manga in which a character (that looked very similar to Elaine) had a condition called a Hyperion Constitution that caused her muscles to be exceptionally dense, making her body abnormally tough and strong. Lancelot having inherited a similar constitution from Ban as a result of Purgatory somehow altering the latter's body could explain Lancelot's ridiculously high physical stats. You wouldn't normally expect the son of a dainty fairy and an ordinary human to be so durable. He didn't even take any damage when he got sucker punched by Chaos emerging from Arthur's arm, the same monster that pushed Meliodas back immediately afterwards.
 

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I forgot to mention this earlier but Infinity is a not time magic. What it does is it essentially removes the upkeep of any spells she uses. For example she can light a magical campfire and the fire will keep burning forever without any need for additional fuel. The spell that Merlin used to stop her own time was not Infinity but something different, presumably similar to the spell she tried to use to stop Meliodas's time when he was in the cocoon. The problem with stopping time is that according to Greyroad, it takes a large amount of magic to twist the laws of the world, which means it's not possible to keep such a spell going for very long. You'd quickly run out of magic and then it would come undone. That's where Infinity comes in, as it meant Merlin only had to cast the spell once to keep her time stopped forever.


You are making a big deal about creation but that's actually a very basic use of magic in the NnT-verse. Annihilation is when matter is converted into energy, meaning the the opposite process of creation is just magical energy being converted into matter. This happens when Escanor generates a miniature sun in his hand, for example. He takes magical energy from within his body and transforms it into physical matter, which appears to have mass and a solid form judging by that time he used one to blast Estarossa away. Tristan forming his light and dark magic into small orbs and such is also the same phenomenon. Almost every character with some kind of elemental magic, think Jericho, Pellegarde, Tarmiel and what have you, is capable of creation so it's not particularly noteworthy. Ironically the one exception seems to be the Creation magic of the giants since it's specifically about manipulating earth and rocks rather than creating them out of thin air like how most elemental magics work.

Annihilation is much rarer than creation because, as far as we know, it only happens when light and dark magic cancel each other out. What makes the Annihilation technique special is that two opposite magics cancelling each other out creates an explosion with more force than just the individual attacks on their own. Nakaba probably got the idea for the technique from the concept of using antimatter as a weapon, which is based on the fact that matter and antimatter annihilating each other is a more efficient way to produce energy than even nuclear reactions, meaning antimatter bombs would be much more destructive than nukes of the same weight. As far as Tristan is concerned, Annihilation is also convenient in the sense that it produces an explosion of raw energy, which is not affected by any resistance to light and/or dark magic like what the Testament Beast had. In a nutshell, Annihilation is a non-elemental attack that hits harder than other attacks of the same size. I don't think there's any deeper meaning to it.


The power absorption has a loose resemblance to Snatch but that idea falls apart when you start considering things like Lancelot's ability to fire off homing laser beams, creating barriers and forming weapons out of energy. I think Hazy Moon is something totally different, just like how I don't expect Tristan's Nova to have anything to do with his parents' magics. He's already got his father's demon mode and Full Counter along with his mother's healing prowess. That's more than enough given that you don't want the new main characters to just be a repeat of the previous ones. Lancelot has his mother's heart-reading and I think he may have inherited some of Ban's physical stats as well. The chapter in which Lancelot beat up Arthur with his bare hands was titled Hyperion, which could have been a reference to one of Nakaba's previous manga in which a character (that looked very similar to Elaine) had a condition called a Hyperion Constitution that caused her muscles to be exceptionally dense, making her body abnormally tough and strong. Lancelot having inherited a similar constitution from Ban as a result of Purgatory somehow altering the latter's body could explain Lancelot's ridiculously high physical stats. You wouldn't normally expect the son of a dainty fairy and an ordinary human to be so durable. He didn't even take any damage when he got sucker punched by Chaos emerging from Arthur's arm, the same monster that pushed Meliodas back immediately afterwards.
Lancelot's ability is nothing like Gouriki Banchou's condition, besides it doesn't explain his other techniques. I think you're not getting the full picture, and are simply focusing on the details. The homing missiles, lasers barriers etc are just matter being warped and imbued by his power. This could be the opposite in relation to Ban's Snatch. Ban buffs himself with Snatch, but Lance prolly can buff objects around him, And objects are made of matter, atoms, electrons etc. Because at the end of the day, what is a laser, If not matter? These are all physical phenomenons, that are brought about by his ability to buff objects(again matter) around him. Perhaps his ability is truly about reading the flow of magic around him, and seeing all the possible paths, similar to his conterpart in Rising Impact.

Also Hyperion literally means "he that walks on high", or the "God above". It's too vague to hint at anything related to hyperion constitution.If anything it might have to do with Chaos as the titular God of Britannia.

Also him having a more durable body has to do with the fact he's half human (and possibly because of Ban), but also that he trained hard during the years he was went missing. Basically he got to a level that is close to the Sins, because he had to fight hard in order to survive. Because of the incredibly harsh environment he lived in, he became more tough, more than he would have if he just stayed in Benwick. This is the same as with humans during the first Holy War.
 
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It could just be the evolved version of Ban's Snatch. Lance can absorb power around him then amplify it and return it. He can also imbue objects with his power, like the arrows. The ability to mimic techniques could be a result of heart reading. I don't necessarily think it has to do with the LotL giving him a portion of the lake's power. I feel like all these "unexplained" phenomenons are really just the result of one ability, and rather than an external factor like a grace or a commandment, it's his innate ability. It's just that he has found more applications for his ability, which makes it greater than Snatch. If he was fostered by the LotL she likely showed him how to use his ability better. Or he wasn't and he simply figured it out while trying to survive all those years when he was missing.

Just saying, I was right about the 4 perils getting a chaos power up. I’m pretty sure Lancelot magic is the ability to absorb and convert other people power into his.
 

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Just saying, I was right about the 4 perils getting a chaos power up. I’m pretty sure Lancelot magic is the ability to absorb and convert other people power into his.
That's.... not really hard to predict, lol. We've basically seen it happening on panel.
 

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I forgot to mention this earlier but Infinity is a not time magic. What it does is it essentially removes the upkeep of any spells she uses. For example she can light a magical campfire and the fire will keep burning forever without any need for additional fuel. The spell that Merlin used to stop her own time was not Infinity but something different, presumably similar to the spell she tried to use to stop Meliodas's time when he was in the cocoon. The problem with stopping time is that according to Greyroad, it takes a large amount of magic to twist the laws of the world, which means it's not possible to keep such a spell going for very long. You'd quickly run out of magic and then it would come undone. That's where Infinity comes in, as it meant Merlin only had to cast the spell once to keep her time stopped forever.
It is kinda time related because Infinity means that what she does can be active forever, she stopped her own time, she can continuously amplify a spell. Her magic is perpetual. She stopped her time then applied infinity to it which is why she doesn't age.


Just saying, I was right about the 4 perils getting a chaos power up. I’m pretty sure Lancelot magic is the ability to absorb and convert other people power into his.
It feels more like you are talking about Percival's power during the first part. Shining Road is a homing light beam, it has nothing to do with absorption. Same for whatever he did to Arthur to reverse their positions.
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Lancelot's ability is nothing like Gouriki Banchou's condition, besides it doesn't explain his other techniques. I think you're not getting the full picture, and are simply focusing on the details. The homing missiles, lasers barriers etc are just matter being warped and imbued by his power. This could be the opposite in relation to Ban's Snatch. Ban buffs himself with Snatch, but Lance prolly can buff objects around him, And objects are made of matter, atoms, electrons etc. Because at the end of the day, what is a laser, If not matter? These are all physical phenomenons, that are brought about by his ability to buff objects(again matter) around him. Perhaps his ability is truly about reading the flow of magic around him, and seeing all the possible paths, similar to his conterpart in Rising Impact.

Also Hyperion literally means "he that walks on high", or the "God above". It's too vague to hint at anything related to hyperion constitution.If anything it might have to do with Chaos as the titular God of Britannia.

Also him having a more durable body has to do with the fact he's half human (and possibly because of Ban), but also that he trained hard during the years he was went missing. Basically he got to a level that is close to the Sins, because he had to fight hard in order to survive. Because of the incredibly harsh environment he lived in, he became more tough, more than he would have if he just stayed in Benwick. This is the same as with humans during the first Holy War.
Ban doesn't have energy beams and stuff. He steals strength and speed. Lancelot's Magic is definitely Enchant and Shifter/Alteration type. Because he can't use Shining Road for example without a weapon.
 
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