I don't know where you got that from, cuz what Nakaba said is quite clear:
This means that, in principle, Lancelot doesn't do something genuine fairies can't while transforming. It's categorically the same transformation, albeit on a higher level. For instance, if an genuine Fairy transforms in to a giant, let's say he/she can use around 25% of that shape's physical strength, whereas Lancelot can use up to 75% or more of the transformed shape.
Ark is a racial innate magic like Creation for Giants and Darkness for Demons. If you really think that fairies can get access to Goddesses' magic when they transform, then sure, Lancelot too can do that on a higher level.
I can even turn into a mini-sized Giant.
Whoaaaah!
Oooh.♪ You are quite talented as a performer!
You've got quite a wide range of transformations.
If I had to say something, it feels like they all have a scary look in their eyes...
Does the Fairy blood runs in Lancelot's veins?
In fact, not all Fairies can transform. The ones who can don't geneerally possess that many patterns.
It is camouflage arts for them. It'd be nice if they could transform into one shape other than that of a Fairy.
But Lancelot tends to be a perfectionist about it, I heard he had a strenuous training to transform into different patterns.
It may have been his half-Human blood running his body that does it to him...
Don't you go explain things on your own! I didn't want him to hear everything!!!
Heh...
First, not all Fairies can transform and they don't have many patterns. And it's used to hide themselves. King only has his fat form, Hellbram had the form of the Human who tricked him. There is probably no Fairy in the world who can turn into a Giant and Nakaba confirmed that he gets the racial abilities when he transforms so I don't see what's wrong there.
Creation is the only one there that's true Innate Magic. All the Giants share it(Dolor's is named differently but it's essentially the same). PoD and Ark are rather different because they have Innate Magics with them.
Lancelot himself who is Human-Fairy hybrid can't fly in his base form even though he has Fairy blood. But to fly, he needs to transform into a True Fairy. And even as a True Fairy, he has two patterns that we have seen.
"Abilities" not "magic". I beg to differ. Every magic is an ability but not every ability is necessarily a magic. And the fan did actually specify what he meant by "abilities" in that context: (flight for a Fairy or superhuman strength for a Giant). The flight for Goddesses isn't magic, since they use their own body/wings to fly. The word "Ability", my dear friend, encompasses "whatever a person is capable of doing". Giants have super strength not because of their innate magic "Creation", but because of their biology.
First, not all Fairies can transform and they don't have many patterns. And it's used to hide themselves. King only has his fat form, Hellbram had the form of the Human who tricked him.
Yup that's why we've seen recently a fodder fairy transforms into a 100% identical copy of Merlin
It is camouflage arts for them. It'd be nice if they could transform into one shape other than that of a Fairy.
But Lancelot tends to be a perfectionist about it, I heard he had a strenuous training to transform into different patterns.
Thanks for bringing this. Fairy transformation is the same, a Deception type of magic, which happens to be the specialty of the Fairy Clan:
Lancelot excels in it because he's a hybrid, and also because he tends to be "perfectionist about it" and "puts strenuous training to transform into different patterns".
How different? I don't see any difference between "Creation", "Darkness" and "Ark" in terms of being all racial, innate magics of their respective clans.
"Abilities" not "magic". I beg to differ. Every magic is an ability but not every ability is necessarily a magic. And the fan did actually specify what he meant by "abilities" in that context: (flight for a Fairy or superhuman strength for a Giant). The flight for Goddesses isn't magic, since they use their own body/wings to fly. The word "Ability", my dear friend, encompasses "whatever a person is capable of doing". Giants have super strength not because of their innate magic "Creation", but because of their biology.
He mentioned these abilities, but they were example. What matters the most isn't what's in the brackets but the question. We didn't even know that Lancelot had a Giant transformation pattern back then. If we want to be very strict about it, Giants don't have super strength as an ability. They are stronger than average because of their build, that's it. Lancelot is physically stronger than most Giants in base without a doubt. I guess that as a Giant he is even stronger physically.
Yup that's why we've seen recently a fodder fairy transforms into a 100% identical copy of Merlin
Indeed. It's said my post that many can't. We also don't know if the Fairy there was transformed by Arthur or did it herself. Anyway, it's not really relevant. Turning into Merlin is completely different from turning into a Giant.
Thanks for bringing this. Fairy transformation is the same, a Deception type of magic, which happens to be the specialty of the Fairy Clan:
Lancelot excels in it because he's a hybrid, and also because he tends to be "perfectionist about it" and "puts strenuous training to transform into different patterns".
Again, it's not really relevant when we are talking about Lancelot, because as Nakaba said his ability is superior. When he turns into a Fairy he can fly. When he turns into "Sin", he is a true fox. It's not an illusion. This part is also not about Transformation specifically but Deception type magic in general. King's fat form isn't an illusion either. He sweats even more in his fat form IIRC.
How different? I don't see any difference between "Creation", "Darkness" and "Ark" in terms of being all racial, innate magics of their respective clans.
Really? name then a Goddess who has an "innate" magic other than "Ark".
Because Giants have nothing more than Creation as Magic. Demons and Goddesses have more than that.
Elizabeth: Super Healing.
Nanashi: Iai.
The Graces kinda count IMO because they work the same way, but even if you don't want to accept them then Seal for Jenna, Thunder Ray for Zaneri and of course The Ruler for the Supreme Deity.
If Lancelot learns a Demon or Goddess transformation pattern, what do you think he'll be able to do? Or do you believe it's impossible for him to learn them?
Well, as I only saw this topic today, I'll tell you guys what I'm sure of about each one.
HAZY MOON= lunar energy manipulation(and it's probably more of a kind of grace than an innate one)
Why? Because the moon has magical energy too, and it is the same type that resides in the magic lake with the same properties.
NOVA= the magic that can merge 2 magics/elements or magical energies into a new unique energy or power/element
Well, as I only saw this topic today, I'll tell you guys what I'm sure of about each one.
HAZY MOON= lunar energy manipulation(and it's probably more of a kind of grace than an innate one)
Why? Because the moon has magical energy too, and it is the same type that resides in the magic lake with the same properties.
NOVA= the magic that can merge 2 magics/elements or magical energies into a new unique energy or power/element
Hazy Moon being like this wouldn't explain all the things he can do though. Lancelot doesn't seem affected by the time of the day too.
As for Nova. I think it's kinda like this but we have already seen Mages combine elements.
Still, looking at the definition of a nova, there is always a white dwarf paired with a bigger star. The white dwarf absorbs energy from the bigger star and releases even more energy, but without self-destructing.
Tristan can use Light and Darkness and is PoD is much stronger than his Ark powers. It's kinda similar and these two powers are polar opposite.
Of course he can improve his output with time and he has shown Annihilation against the Testament Beast but I am thinking that he might be able to use PoD to fuel his Ark and vice-versa. Also, combine them for another "element"(Chaos? Nuclear? Star? Annihilation) but without triggering destruction as you said.
Hazy Moon being like this wouldn't explain all the things he can do though. Lancelot doesn't seem affected by the time of the day too.
As for Nova. I think it's kinda like this but we have already seen Mages combine elements.
Still, looking at the definition of a nova, there is always a white dwarf paired with a bigger star. The white dwarf absorbs energy from the bigger star and releases even more energy, but without self-destructing.
Tristan can use Light and Darkness and is PoD is much stronger than his Ark powers. It's kinda similar and these two powers are polar opposite.
Of course he can improve his output with time and he has shown Annihilation against the Testament Beast but I am thinking that he might be able to use PoD to fuel his Ark and vice-versa. Also, combine them for another "element"(Chaos? Nuclear? Star? Annihilation) but without triggering destruction as you said.
the element will be called anti-chaos , but star is cool too, and maybe more probable.
It will be an element that is the combination of demonic darkness and divine light, its form is an energy that has the shape of the starry night, black and white color, a black energy that has white stars inside.
She has the mixed properties of the 2 elements and has powerful techniques such as the black ark, stellar blaze, black hole, quasar, Annihilation, and perhaps the most powerful, supernova
I said similar, not identical, in the sense of being a blessing from the lady of the lake, the moon is linked to the lake and the lady's blessing to Lancelot was to be able to use the moon's magical energy as a source, it is the same as the lake so there are things like absorption, storage, conversion of magical energy, also manipulating it itself, this being called lunar magical energy.
He mentioned these abilities, but they were example. What matters the most isn't what's in the brackets but the question. We didn't even know that Lancelot had a Giant transformation pattern back then. If we want to be very strict about it, Giants don't have super strength as an ability. They are stronger than average because of their build, that's it. Lancelot is physically stronger than most Giants in base without a doubt. I guess that as a Giant he is even stronger physically.
Indeed. It's said my post that many can't. We also don't know if the Fairy there was transformed by Arthur or did it herself. Anyway, it's not really relevant. Turning into Merlin is completely different from turning into a Giant.
Again, it's not really relevant when we are talking about Lancelot, because as Nakaba said his ability is superior. When he turns into a Fairy he can fly. When he turns into "Sin", he is a true fox. It's not an illusion. This part is also not about Transformation specifically but Deception type magic in general. King's fat form isn't an illusion either. He sweats even more in his fat form IIRC.
Because Giants have nothing more than Creation as Magic. Demons and Goddesses have more than that.
Elizabeth: Super Healing.
Nanashi: Iai.
The Graces kinda count IMO because they work the same way, but even if you don't want to accept them then Seal for Jenna, Thunder Ray for Zaneri and of course The Ruler for the Supreme Deity.
If Lancelot learns a Demon or Goddess transformation pattern, what do you think he'll be able to do? Or do you believe it's impossible for him to learn them?
She has the mixed properties of the 2 elements and has powerful techniques such as the black ark, stellar blaze, black hole, quasar, Annihilation, and perhaps the most powerful, supernova
If you mean current Tristan's PoD is "accidentaly" stronger than his Ark, that may be true for whatever reason. However, this discrepancy between his dual power definitely cannot be inherent for obvious reasons. The key to Tristan’s mastery and full realization of his abilities lies in one principle alone: Balance, or Harmony. For there can be no true balance if one opposing force is inherently stronger than the other.
As for his “Nova,” I do not think Nakaba will tie its essence to the literal astrophysical phenomenon. We have already seen this deviation in “Ominous Nebula,” which in astrophysics bears no resemblance to “Full React”—Zeldris’s true innate power, as Merlin describes it—or to the Vortex, the manner in which his power operates. Tristan's "Nova" will likely be "Annihilation" + "whatever it's reverse application is". It is bound to reflect Tristan's nature as a Nephilim.
If you mean current Tristan's PoD is "accidentaly" stronger than his Ark, that may be true for whatever reason. However, this discrepancy between his dual power definitely cannot be inherent for obvious reasons. The key to Tristan’s mastery and full realization of his abilities lies in one principle alone: Balance, or Harmony. For there can be no true balance if one opposing force is inherently stronger than the other.
As for his “Nova,” I do not think Nakaba will tie its essence to the literal astrophysical phenomenon. We have already seen this deviation in “Ominous Nebula,” which in astrophysics bears no resemblance to “Full React”—Zeldris’s true innate power, as Merlin describes it—or to the Vortex, the manner in which his power operates. Tristan's "Nova" will likely be "Annihilation" + "whatever it's reverse application is". It is bound to reflect Tristan's nature as a Nephilim.
An equal mastery of Ark and PoD isn't necessary for "harmony". It's all about management of the output. People say that he is more similar to Meliodas when he uses his Demon powers for a reason.
His Demon powers were superior to his Goddess powers despite his focus on the latter.
His "focus" on Ark doesn't mean anything actually, since he's been sh*tty at using it thus far. Suffice it to say that his Ark did Jack sh*t to a fodder like Schwarz, when the ark of high tier GC members could obliterate him (body & soul). Tristan's current Ark is far from nearing its true power or potential.
His "focus" on Ark doesn't mean anything actually, since he's been sh*tty at using it thus far. Suffice it to say that his Ark did Jack sh*t to a fodder like Schwarz, when the ark of high tier GC members could obliterate him (body & soul). Tristan's current Ark is far from nearing its true power or potential
I think you're either not seeing or ignoring the main point here
It's clear that Tristan's demon side has much better potential than his G side so why do you think they'll end up equal?
His G side is weaker than even Schwartz while his demon side is stronger than Melagaland
Tristan himself despite his hard training on G powers has shown a lower level than required and has stated several times that he's not talented in these matters
Even Gawain thought that his poor skills were due to lack of training (although we know that's not true since the fanbook confirmed that Tristan was the most diligent in training before the time skip)
So I'll ask you again how do you think his sides will become equal in power?
His demon side gets a big nerf and drops to the level of his G side? Because that's the only way seem possible since Tristan's G powers clearly lacks the potential to level up to his demon powers
That's it. Tristan is a genius and a hard worker. He neglected his Demon powers for 6 years and still stomped a fusion of two Commandments boosted by Chaos. In comparison his Goddess powers(while not bad) are pathetic despite his focus on them. Hard to imagine how they could ever become equal. Everyone says that he is more like his father when he is fighting.
That's it. Tristan is a genius and a hard worker. He neglected his Demon powers for 6 years and still stomped a fusion of two Commandments boosted by Chaos. In comparison his Goddess powers(while not bad) are pathetic despite his focus on them. Hard to imagine how they could ever become equal. Everyone says that he is more like his father when he is fighting.
I tend to see it like a powder keg situation these days? You can a whole barrel full of TNT but you don't need an equal amount of fire to create an insane combustion. It just requires a single, little spark.
And I guess that is how Tristan is going to use his goddess powers in combat for the most part once he learns to merge them properly (or already has, anyway.). For enemies specifically weak to goddess magic, what he already has is plenty enough. His healing is also powerful and in most cases absolutely sufficient. For anything else that is Nova-related he doesn't need them to be on the same level as his darkness powers anyway. He just requires them as a detonator or vice-versa.
I tend to see it like a powder keg situation these days? You can a whole barrel full of TNT but you don't need an equal amount of fire to create an insane combustion. It just requires a single, little spark.
And I guess that is how Tristan is going to use his goddess powers in combat for the most part once he learns to merge them properly (or already has, anyway.). For enemies specifically weak to goddess magic, what he already has is plenty enough. His healing is also powerful and in most cases absolutely sufficient. For anything else that is Nova-related he doesn't need them to be on the same level as his darkness powers anyway. He just requires them as a detonator or vice-versa.
I think you're either not seeing or ignoring the main point here
It's clear that Tristan's demon side has much better potential than his G side so why do you think they'll end up equal?
His G side is weaker than even Schwartz while his demon side is stronger than Melagaland
Tristan himself despite his hard training on G powers has shown a lower level than required and has stated several times that he's not talented in these matters
Even Gawain thought that his poor skills were due to lack of training (although we know that's not true since the fanbook confirmed that Tristan was the most diligent in training before the time skip)
So I'll ask you again how do you think his sides will become equal in power?
His demon side gets a big nerf and drops to the level of his G side? Because that's the only way seem possible since Tristan's G powers clearly lacks the potential to level up to his demon powers
I think you are being way too harsh with Tristan's goddess powers.
The fight against Schwartz was essentially a close-quarters fight. Just because Tristan only used Ark in this fight doesn't mean that's all he could do with his goddess powers.
I think you forget/neglect all his past feats and specialty and just focus on Demon Realm arc.
For example :
His "heaven's lightning" enchantment was able to break free from Melascula's dark cocoon(Who could have held back 2DM Meliodas) which was reinforced with Chaos powers. And Chaos powers provide resistance to light magic.
He has attacks like Falling Star and Twinkling Star and his Shooting Star in base form (Triskelions were not activated) were powerful enough to "overwhelm" (lack of better word) the Testament Beast (superior to melagaland) despite the fact that the Chaos Staff grants very high resistance to light magic(stated by Gawain).
Demonic powers are certainly more effective and destructive than those of the goddesses, but I don't see any right to say that her goddess powers will never reach the level of her demonic one.
I believe the fact that Nakaba made his arch weaker than average is not meant to be used to belittle Tristan but as a sign of his room for growth.
If with a weak "holy power" to the point where his ark is inferior to that of a Divine Corporal he is able to unleash attacks that can harm a beast greater than the fusion of two commandments, what kind of attacks will he be able to unleash when his sacred power reaches or surpass archangel's level ? I believe he might indeed reach the level of his demonic powers.
The fact that he can't cure diseases seems to indicate that he needs a mentor. No matter how hard Tristan trains, as long as he is alone there are levels he will not be able to reach. Things like breaking curses aren't something you just get through practice and I doubt Elizabeth taught him anything.
He must also learn the arts of the goddesses such as what allows one to reincarnate with one's memories. I think he'll learn it during the Celestial Kingdom arc. Not necessarily from Mael since he'll probably teach Gawain. Perhaps the one who trained Elizabeth or the Archangels before obtaining the graces (?).
I think you are being way too harsh with Tristan's goddess powers.
The fight against Schwartz was essentially a close-quarters fight. Just because Tristan only used Ark in this fight doesn't mean that's all he could do with his goddess powers.
I think you forget/neglect all his past feats and specialty and just focus on Demon Realm arc.
For example :
His "heaven's lightning" enchantment was able to break free from Melascula's dark cocoon(Who could have held back 2DM Meliodas) which was reinforced with Chaos powers. And Chaos powers provide resistance to light magic.
He has attacks like Falling Star and Twinkling Star and his Shooting Star in base form (Triskelions were not activated) were powerful enough to "overwhelm" (lack of better word) the Testament Beast (superior to melagaland) despite the fact that the Chaos Staff grants very high resistance to light magic(stated by Gawain).
Demonic powers are certainly more effective and destructive than those of the goddesses, but I don't see any right to say that her goddess powers will never reach the level of her demonic one.
I believe the fact that Nakaba made his arch weaker than average is not meant to be used to belittle Tristan but as a sign of his room for growth.
If with a weak "holy power" to the point where his ark is inferior to that of a Divine Corporal he is able to unleash attacks that can harm a beast greater than the fusion of two commandments, what kind of attacks will he be able to unleash when his sacred power reaches or surpass archangel's level ? I believe he might indeed reach the level of his demonic powers.
The fact that he can't cure diseases seems to indicate that he needs a mentor. No matter how hard Tristan trains, as long as he is alone there are levels he will not be able to reach. Things like breaking curses aren't something you just get through practice and I doubt Elizabeth taught him anything.
He must also learn the arts of the goddesses such as what allows one to reincarnate with one's memories. I think he'll learn it during the Celestial Kingdom arc. Not necessarily from Mael since he'll probably teach Gawain. Perhaps the one who trained Elizabeth or the Archangels before obtaining the graces (?).
Tristan has been focusing on his Goddess powers for six years and lived with Elizabeth and Hendrickson. You really think everything he knows is self-taught? He has a big mother complex too. That's impossible. How do you think he learned techniques like Saint Coat etc? Even in the end of NnT he was sparring with Meliodas.
No one said his Goddess powers aren't good. They are simply nothing compared to his Demon powers. No one said it's supposed to belittle him either. He is the one who was refusing to use the other side of his powers.
The fight against Schwartz was essentially a close-quarters fight. Just because Tristan only used Ark in this fight doesn't mean that's all he could do with his goddess powers
Tristan was clearly being dominated by Base Schwartz, he didn't start doing anything until he had reinforced himself with some demonic power.
And it's not just the Ark thing (although it's the mainstay of G powers) even his healing is not that good (his healing is ineffective against curses, diseases, etc.) and even his Saint's Cloak is substandard (to the point that Gawain thought he was being lazy even though he was the most diligent in training Tpre time skip)
He has attacks like Falling Star and Twinkling Star and his Shooting Star in base form (Triskelions were not activated) were powerful enough to "overwhelm" (lack of better word) the Testament Beast (superior to melagaland) despite the fact that the Chaos Staff grants very high resistance to light magic(stated by Gawain).
Demonic powers are certainly more effective and destructive than those of the goddesses, but I don't see any right to say that her goddess powers will never reach the level of her demonic one.
I believe the fact that Nakaba made his arch weaker than average is not meant to be used to belittle Tristan but as a sign of his room for growth.
If with a weak "holy power" to the point where his ark is inferior to that of a Divine Corporal he is able to unleash attacks that can harm a beast greater than the fusion of two commandments, what kind of attacks will he be able to unleash when his sacred power reaches or surpass archangel's level ? I believe he might indeed reach the level of his demonic powers
Ngl if that what you think,then you are honestly just delusional/lying to yourself.
He has been training his G side hard for the past six years and it is still weaker than base Schwartz, while his demonic power are stronger than Melagand although he doesn't pay as much attention to it in training.
It mean that he isn't that talented in the G powers
Are you serious when you say that Tristan learned his G power by himself? Are you saying that the son of Elizabeth and the Prince of Liones couldn't find anyone to teach him the G art?
You can't be serious.
Tristan has been focusing on his Goddess powers for six years and lived with Elizabeth and Hendrickson. You really think everything he knows is self-taught? He has a big mother complex too. That's impossible. How do you think he learned techniques like Saint Coat etc? Even in the end of NnT he was sparring with Meliodas.
No one said his Goddess powers aren't good. They are simply nothing compared to his Demon powers. No one said it's supposed to belittle him either. He is the one who was refusing to use the other side of his powers.
First of all, where did we get this idea that he trained his goddess powers for 6 years? Is it stated anywhere? I could be wrong but as far as I remember from the movie, It was at age 14 that he started missing training and decided to train with his goddess powers, not since he was 10 years old.
Once again, pretending that his goddess powers are nothing compared to his demonic powers isn't fair.
Demon Tristan's greatest feat is defeating Melagaland. It's an extraordinary feat but Goddess Tristan is no slouch either. Falling Star was under-expected to be able to cause damage Melagaland if she didn't use her poison and Shooting Star was able to "overwhelm" The Beast of the Testament which is stated superior to Melagaland despite the Chaos Staff granting extreme resistance.to the magic of light.
As for the training aspect once again I do not see Elisabeth as a teacher and nothing has implied it. He may have learned from her and the druids or Hendy but these would just be the basics. What I mean by mentor is much more than that. I mean someone who will help him like Cusack and Chandler did with Zeldris and Meliodas.
Goddess Elisabeth during the Holy War arc was knocked out by a single hit from Derieri. Does that mean she's weak? No, because we know she's equivalent to 2DM Meliodas.
Once again the fight against Schwartz was a close combat and Tristan did not use his most powerful attacks. He did not even use the heaven's lightning enchantment which could not only pierce the cocoon but also injure Melascula so once again this fight does not allow us to categorize the goddess Tristan, just his ark as inferior to Nerobasta's and the divine corporal
And it's not just the Ark thing (although it's the mainstay of G powers) even his healing is not that good (his healing is ineffective against curses, diseases, etc.) and even his Saint's Cloak is substandard (to the point that Gawain thought he was being lazy even though he was the most diligent in training Tpre time skip
First of all he claimed that he can heal any wound and it is just on this aspect that I claimed that he is on the same level as the archangels. I'm sure the ability to cure diseases and break curses isn't something you just get by becoming more strong.
We know he trains the most but where did it say he only trains his goddess powers?
You just interpret Gawain's words as you see fit and make a generality out of it. Why not take Gawain's words literally? That is, that Tristan also neglects his goddess powers? It was simply said that he is the one who trains the most, not that he but it was never said that he trained his goddess powers, right? His training could simply consist of fencing and creating attacks such as Falling Star, Twinkle Star, Canon Slash and others.
We have also seen that his total counter is much more effective than two years ago and this is always due to training.
Why would he train arche Arche is only effective against demons. Why bother with it when he has no reason to fight demons? Why train Saint Coat when he hasn't considered going to the Demon Realm?
Stop acting as if your deductions are facts.
It makes much more sense for him to develop abilities useful against any opponent, not just demons.
It is not by becoming strong that one acquires the ability to cure diseases.
R Reread that part. When the Beast of the Testament grabbed Gawain, Shooting clearly overwhelmed him and he was clearly gnashing his teeth.And again as Gawain mentioned, the Chaos Staff was in action and granting abnormal resistance to goddess magic.
He has been training his G side hard for the past six years and it is still weaker than base Schwartz, while his demonic power are stronger than Melagand although he doesn't pay as much attention to it in training.
As I said above to Demonspeed Derieri has one shot goddess Elisabeth during the holy war. And yet much more with her magic power Elisabeth was able to take advantage of Indura Derieri and Monspiet and was declared at the same level as 2DM Meliodas.
Just in case you still don't get my point this just means that resistance and physical combat are not the strong point of goddess Elisabeth and Tristan. Schwartz wouldn't have survived Falling Star or Shooting Star if Tristan had used him. I doubt he'll even survive Twinkle Star. The only weak abilities in Tristan are Arch and Saint Coat which he had no need to train at all.
I'm going to ask again but where the hell did it say he spent 06 years training his goddess powers?
Are you serious when you say that Tristan learned his G power by himself? Are you saying that the son of Elizabeth and the Prince of Liones couldn't find anyone to teach him the G art?
What I mean by mentor is someone of Chandler/Cusack's caliber who will go out of his way to train Tristan lol. Not just someone who will give him advice and it doesn't matter what you say.Elisabeth doesn't fit the profile. He wouldn't be able to progress if she were his teacher. Who else has LIONES that could teach him goddess powers? Hendy? Or maybe the druids? Whoever they are, they only taught him the basics of the stuff, nothing serious.
Yes I think he trained on his own so what? If he had learned from his mother the names of the attacks would not have changed like with Full Counter. The fact that his healing magic is "healing star" and not the same name as Elizabeth's just proves that it's a Tristan signature attack. Why would he change the name of an attack he has learned from anyone? Since Grudge of Edinburgh he could use Falling Star and nowhere is it mentioned that he received any training from Elizabeth.
So again don't use your personal assumptions and deductions as a facts.
First of all, where did we get this idea that he trained his goddess powers for 6 years? Is it stated anywhere? I could be wrong but as far as I remember from the movie, It was at age 14 that he started missing training and decided to train with his goddess powers, not since he was 10 years old.
Once again, pretending that his goddess powers are nothing compared to his demonic powers isn't fair.
Tristan has been training since at least 9. He was sparring with Meliodas during his 10th birthday. In GoE, he is sparring with Lancelot when both are 10. That's where he awakens his Demon side. Obviously he kept training after this.
What is unfair about saying that his Goddess powers are nothing compared to his Demon powers? It's a fact. He needed to use his Demon powers to defeat Mera in Snake form. His feats with Goddess only powers simply pale in comparison to his Demon powers. Even when he was fighting Lancelot at the end of GoE, Lancelot told him "Show me what you can really do" or something and it meant using his Demon powers. Demon Tristan didn't even need to use a named technique to deal with Meragalan, he was beating him effortlessly with only brute force.
Demon Tristan's greatest feat is defeating Melagaland. It's an extraordinary feat but Goddess Tristan is no slouch either. Falling Star was under-expected to be able to cause damage Melagaland if she didn't use her poison and Shooting Star was able to "overwhelm" The Beast of the Testament which is stated superior to Melagaland despite the Chaos Staff granting extreme resistance.to the magic of light.
As for the training aspect once again I do not see Elisabeth as a teacher and nothing has implied it. He may have learned from her and the druids or Hendy but these would just be the basics. What I mean by mentor is much more than that. I mean someone who will help him like Cusack and Chandler did with Zeldris and Meliodas.
Tristan is Meliodas and Elizabeth's son, has Demon and Goddess powers, is very attached to his mom, lives with her but somehow didn't learn how to use Ark from her? How does he know that she and Hendy can cure diseases and curses? Or her limits for Saint Coat? He can create his own techniques and still have learned how to use Ark under her. Is Saint Coat an original name? No. Meliodas and Gowther also tutored him. Lancelot for example obviously was taught by Ban as well even though Jericho was his main master, they are even seen sparring on a cover.
Goddess Elisabeth during the Holy War arc was knocked out by a single hit from Derieri. Does that mean she's weak? No, because we know she's equivalent to 2DM Meliodas.
Once again the fight against Schwartz was a close combat and Tristan did not use his most powerful attacks. He did not even use the heaven's lightning enchantment which could not only pierce the cocoon but also injure Melascula so once again this fight does not allow us to categorize the goddess Tristan, just his ark as inferior to Nerobasta's and the divine corporal
First of all he claimed that he can heal any wound and it is just on this aspect that I claimed that he is on the same level as the archangels. I'm sure the ability to cure diseases and break curses isn't something you just get by becoming more strong.
We know he trains the most but where did it say he only trains his goddess powers?
You just interpret Gawain's words as you see fit and make a generality out of it. Why not take Gawain's words literally? That is, that Tristan also neglects his goddess powers? It was simply said that he is the one who trains the most, not that he but it was never said that he trained his goddess powers, right? His training could simply consist of fencing and creating attacks such as Falling Star, Twinkle Star, Canon Slash and others.
We have also seen that his total counter is much more effective than two years ago and this is always due to training.
Why would he train arche Arche is only effective against demons. Why bother with it when he has no reason to fight demons? Why train Saint Coat when he hasn't considered going to the Demon Realm?
Stop acting as if your deductions are facts.
It makes much more sense for him to develop abilities useful against any opponent, not just demons.
It is not by becoming strong that one acquires the ability to cure diseases.
R Reread that part. When the Beast of the Testament grabbed Gawain, Shooting clearly overwhelmed him and he was clearly gnashing his teeth.And again as Gawain mentioned, the Chaos Staff was in action and granting abnormal resistance to goddess magic.
As I said above to Demonspeed Derieri has one shot goddess Elisabeth during the holy war. And yet much more with her magic power Elisabeth was able to take advantage of Indura Derieri and Monspiet and was declared at the same level as 2DM Meliodas.
Just in case you still don't get my point this just means that resistance and physical combat are not the strong point of goddess Elisabeth and Tristan. Schwartz wouldn't have survived Falling Star or Shooting Star if Tristan had used him. I doubt he'll even survive Twinkle Star. The only weak abilities in Tristan are Arch and Saint Coat which he had no need to train at all.
I'm going to ask again but where the hell did it say he spent 06 years training his goddess powers?
What I mean by mentor is someone of Chandler/Cusack's caliber who will go out of his way to train Tristan lol. Not just someone who will give him advice and it doesn't matter what you say.Elisabeth doesn't fit the profile. He wouldn't be able to progress if she were his teacher. Who else has LIONES that could teach him goddess powers? Hendy? Or maybe the druids? Whoever they are, they only taught him the basics of the stuff, nothing serious.
Yes I think he trained on his own so what? If he had learned from his mother the names of the attacks would not have changed like with Full Counter. The fact that his healing magic is "healing star" and not the same name as Elizabeth's just proves that it's a Tristan signature attack. Why would he change the name of an attack he has learned from anyone? Since Grudge of Edinburgh he could use Falling Star and nowhere is it mentioned that he received any training from Elizabeth.
So again don't use your personal assumptions and deductions as a facts.
I appreciate your effort to write all this but you should realize how much everything you wrote is filled with many fallacies, mistakes and great misunderstandings of events and powers
So let me open your eyes to some facts and get you out of your delusions :
- The Ark is the basis of G-techniques, the power of the Ark is based on the power of the light magic used to create it, if the Ark is weak then it is impossible for the light magic used to create it to be strong
So how do you expect that the Falling Star or any other technology of Tristan based on the element of light would have done anything when the Ark (the basic technology based on the power of the element of light) failed to do anything against Schwarts?
Your continued glaze Falling Star and the other of Tristan's fetless techniques even though they are created with the same light element that failed to even damage base Schwartz is completely ridiculous and absurd.
- Healing wounds is something most Light users can do.
That not that impressive at all
- Tristan didn't do anything noteworthy in any of his fights without using his demonic powers
Against Melascula? Literally didn't even scratch her before using his full demonic mode
Against Melagaland? He was fighting in his full demonic mode
Against IO? He was getting humiliated before he started using some of his demonic powers
Against Schwartz? He was getting humiliated by base Schwartz before he started boosting himself with some of his demonic powers (and even then get oneshotted by serious Schwartz who is weaker than Fraudrine)
Against Testament Beast? He got oneshotted in the first round and couldn't do anything in the second round until Gawain told him how to combine demonic powers with G powers
- Tristan is afraid of his demonic powers so it's natural that he would focus more on working on his G powers because they're all he has left, he doesn't have anything else unless you think he's been training all these years just on full counter and sword swing.
Claiming that he wasn't training on G powers is just a complete delusion because you refuse to admit that he's not talented and lacks the potential in G powers compared to demonic powers
You can ignore all the obvious facts and lie to yourself to convince yourself that Tristan is as talented in G powers as he is in demonic powers if you want, this will not change the truth and the path the story is heading towards which is clearly that Tristan's G side is much weaker and less talented and capable by a lot than his demonic side
6 years of focusing on the G side ended up with Tristan's G side being even weaker than base Schwartz while his demonic side is stronger than Melagaland
Let me explain it to you in easiest way so you can see the difference:
Tristan full demon mode > Melagaland > Fraudrine > Full power Schwartz > Base Schwartz > Tristan's G side (the side he developed and worked on so hard for years)
Try to use logic and look at the facts away from your bias and your glaze for anything related to Tristan and you will realize the clear picture here.
As for Elizabeth and Deriere:
- Elizabeth is a glass cannon, she has what could be the strongest light magic in her clan after her mother SD and this is what made her a terrifying enemy for demons who consider the light element one of their worst weaknesses but as i mentioned before she is very weak and fragile physically and lacks a fighting mentality which allowed Deriere to knock her down with one hit
So in the end Elizabeth is very weak physically with strong light magic which is very effective against demons and this is what earned her a terrifying reputation among the demon clan
Tristan is not the same case as Elizabeth so don't compare them.
Elizabeth is a glass cannon whose source of power and reputation is his light magic which is very effective against demons.
On the other hand I'm not sure if you consider Tristan a glass cannon but his light magic is not that strong or good at all, not even close
Tristan slashing Mera's coccoon is a very good feat IMO since Meliodas had to go Assault Mode to break it back then but yes, in general his Goddess powers are simply not impressive compared to his Demon powers.
Falling Stars is also his strongest Ark technique so far. So it can't be used as the basis to gauge his skill in that department.
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