Discussion Hazy Moon & Nova Speculations!

[Maelstrom Omega]

I appreciate your effort to write all this but you should realize how much everything you wrote is filled with many fallacies, mistakes an

English is not my first language so I realize this is full of mistakes.

- The Ark is the basis of G-techniques, the power of the Ark is based on the power of the light magic used to create it, if the Ark is weak then it is impossible for the light magic used to create it to be strong
So how do you expect that the Falling Star or any other technology of Tristan based on the element of light would have done anything when the Ark (the basic technology based on the power of the element of light) failed to do anything against Schwarts?

Once again he had no particular reason to improve his ark.
And Tristan's attacks are not ark based. In Grudge of Edinburgh he already had Falling Star yet he had not yet ark.

Your continued glaze Falling Star and the other of Tristan's fetless techniques even though they are created with the same light element that failed to even damage base Schwartz is completely ridiculous and absurd.

I repeat myself but Tristan already had attacks such as Falling Star well before he had ark.

- Healing wounds is something most Light users can do.
That not that impressive at all

I never said it was impressive though? Just that in this area he is equal to the archangels.

- Tristan didn't do anything noteworthy in any of his fights without using his demonic powers
Against Melascula? Literally didn't even scratch her before using his full demonic mode.

He pierced his cocoon lol. And he didn't use any special move. He only used his fencing. And Melascula didn't do anything to Tristan either.
Oh and actually her enchantment may have hurt Melascula. His enchantment was clearly effective against her until she summoned that creature that ate his light.

Against Melagaland? He was fighting in his full demonic mode

It is clearly implied that without Melagaland's poison Falling Star would have had effect.

Against IO? He was getting humiliated before he started using some of his demonic powers
Against Schwartz? He was getting humiliated by base Schwartz before he started boosting himself with some of his demonic powers (and even then get oneshotted by serious Schwartz who is weaker than Fraudrine)

Fights where he didn't use any of his light attacks except healing and Canon Slash which had an effect on Schwartz (There was also ark but as I mentioned it is weaker than the one of the divine corporal). He fought like a human, just with his swords, without any enchantment.
You are only satisfied with the result, without evaluating the circumstances.

Let me guess. For you during LIONES arc Pellegarde > Full power Gawain and Chaos Galand right?

- Tristan is afraid of his demonic powers so it's natural that he would focus more on working on his G powers because they're all he has left, he doesn't have anything else unless you think he's been training all these years just on full counter and sword swing.

Well yeah it makes sense. He was just practicing his Sword Swing or at least most of the time.
At 10 years old he had not yet awakened his goddess powers (It is not stated anywhere that he awakened his G-Powers at the same time as his D-Powers) so he followed the training of a normal knight, namely fencing.
In Grudge of Edinburgh again (Literally no one seems to care), Meliodas mentions that Tristan missed training so it's definitely not for his goddess powers.

Claiming that he wasn't training on G powers is just a complete delusion because you refuse to admit that he's not talented and lacks the potential in G powers compared to demonic powers

It's crazy how much fans create canon and it stuffs the truth lol.

6 years of focusing on the G side ended up with Tristan's G side being even weaker than base Schwartz while his demonic side is stronger than Melagaland

Headcanon.

Tristan full demon mode > Melagaland > Fraudrine > Full power Schwartz > Base Schwartz > Tristan's G side

Then Melagaland > Fraudrin > Schwartz > 2DM Meliodas > Zeldris (without DK power) since the latter two were unable to escape from the cocoon.
Then Fraudrin > Schwartz > Testament Beast since G-Tristan has cause more damage to TB than to Schwartz.
Once again you are just basing you on the result.

- Elizabeth is a glass cannon, she has what could be the strongest light magic in her clan after her mother SD and this is what made her a terrifying enemy for demons who consider the light element one of their worst weaknesses but as i mentioned before she is very weak and fragile physically and lacks a fighting mentality which allowed Deriere to knock her down with one hit

It's crazy that you come to this conclusion but don't want to apply it to Tristan.

Tristan is as physically fragile as Elisabeth as long as he is not in demon mode and yet you are basing all on his durability.
Should I remind you that Percy's helmet was enough to KO Tristan during the fight against Melagaland (even though Percy didn't put any force into it)?

So in the end Elizabeth is very weak physically with strong light magic which is very effective against demons and this is what earned her a terrifying reputation among the demon clan

Tristan is not the same case as Elizabeth so don't compare them.
Elizabeth is a glass cannon whose source of power and reputation is his light magic which is very effective against demons.
On the other hand I'm not sure if you consider Tristan a glass cannon but his light magic is not that strong or good at all, not even close

It just shows your bad faith. It's the same case.You just ignore everything that doesn't go your way.
Since you don't seem to understand, I'll explain.
First of all, I remind you that he is 16 years old and Elizabeth was 3600 years old during the holy war. And Tristan has no exceptional mentor unlike Elisabeth and the archangels (I Guess?)


Why is Tristan physically weak?

- Was sent flying by a headbutt from "Berserk Percy"
- was "sent flying" and almost injured by a simple, non-serious punch from Gawain (when he defended Percy just before Pelle beat Gawain)
- Was knocked out by Percy's helmet even though Percy didn't put any force into it
- Gets hurt by weak characters like IO and Schwartz (The latter literally broke his ribs with a single punch) who are weaker than Fraudrin.

Why is his light magic so strong?

- His enchantment was able to hurt Melascula (a command therefore superior to Schwartz) and was clearly effective. Melascula must have summoned a pseudo-Nephilim to eat his light.
- Was able to free himself from Mela's cocoon. The Dark Cocoon was able to hold 2DM Meliodas and even Zeldris couldn't escape without the Demon King's power. Additionally, this one was reinforced by Chaos which Gawain said grants abnormal resistance to light magic. (This feat alone is MORE THAN ENOUGH)

- Powerful attacks like Falling Star that even Melagaland(fusion of 02 commands) wouldn't have escaped unscathed if he had been touched.

- Shooting Star (I don't know if it's the same as Falling Star) was able to "overwhelm" the TB which is superior to the fusion of two command.

And he acquired all that in two years of training. Because yes compared to Grudge of Edinburgh (which most people ignore), he is on a completely different level. I recall that in Grudge of Edinburgh Falling Star could barely destroy those empty boxes cooking in Annfwyn.

And during these two years of training he not only trained his goddess powers but also perfected his Full counter, improved his swordsmanship, and trained his demonic power.
You all claim he doesn't exercise his D-power but that's still your Headcanon. In Grudge of Edinburgh his demonic power would activate (or at least try to activate) every time that he really wanted to win a fight (with Lancelot, when he cast Falling Star, against Deathpeace) and he had to repress that every time. However at 16 y.o he no longer had these problems. His demonic powers only activated if he wanted them to and he could maintain it for a few seconds before losing control. Of course all this is through some kind of training.

Rather than focusing on 6 years of training (which is not confirmed), try to observe his progress in two years (14-16).

Even assuming he trained for 6 years on his light power (which again is not confirmed), what kind of training can a 10 year old child practice? And on top of that a prince lol. The fact that all of you here insist on these 06 years of training is absurd.
You all act like we have no basis to assess his growth yet we know his level at 14

 

[Demonspeed]

Falling Stars, Star Breaker and so on are all Ark based attacks.

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Rather than focusing on 6 years of training (which is not confirmed), try to observe his progress in two years (14-16).

Even assuming he trained for 6 years on his light power (which again is not confirmed), what kind of training can a 10 year old child practice? And on top of that a prince lol. The fact that all of you here insist on these 06 years of training is absurd.
You all act like we have no basis to assess his growth yet we know his level at 14

He is Meliodas's son and this is a battle shonen. He is seen training with Meliodas at the end of NnT. How do you think he learned to fight? Lancelot was taught by Ban and mainly Jericho and he is a prince as well. Even Gawain, despite her bad temper had masters.

 

[Maelstrom Omega]

Tristan has been training since at least 9. He was sparring with Meliodas during his 10th birthday. In GoE, he is sparring with Lancelot when both are 10. That's where he awakens his Demon side. Obviously he kept training after this.

I know he's still training. Even at the end of the anime he's training but again it's just swordplay. Nowhere does it say he awakened his G-Power at 10.
The problem is that you are using your assumptions as fact. Gawain mentions that he lacks training and he seemed to agree with her. The author mentions that he trains the most BUT he trained a lot of stuff in two years like I said above. It's quite possible that he hasn't trained his G-Powers in a while because he was training something else.
After the LIONES fight for example he only trained in Sword Swing and yet it was the right time to train his G-Power (I mean, given the defeat he suffered).

My point is that saying that "For 6 years he has only been training his G-Powers yet Gawain finds it pathetic" is not correct. If Gawain says he should train and he seems to agree then that just means he hasn't actually trained.

Tristan is Meliodas and Elizabeth's son, has Demon and Goddess powers, is very attached to his mom, lives with her but somehow didn't learn how to use Ark from her? How does he know that she and Hendy can cure diseases and curses? Or her limits for Saint Coat? He can create his own techniques and still have learned how to use Ark under her. Is Saint Coat an original name? No. Meliodas and Gowther also tutored him. Lancelot for example obviously was taught by Ban as well even though Jericho was his main master, they are even seen sparring on a cover.

I didn't say he didn't learn anything. I said he only learned the basics from them and nothing more than that.
I say Saint Coat and Ark are tricks he learned from them and he's not really good at them.
However his most powerful attacks (Falling Star , Shooting Star, Twinkle Star, Healing Star) were created by him. No one in the series had these kinds of attacks, did they?
The fact that his personal attacks (the ones named after stars) are much more powerful than the attacks he has certainly learned (Ark, Saint Coat) simply proves that the improvement of his light powers are mostly due to his personal training, not to a Mentor.

 

[Redpercy]

English is not my first language so I realize this is full of mistakes.



Once again he had no particular reason to improve his ark.
And Tristan's attacks are not ark based. In Grudge of Edinburgh he already had Falling Star yet he had not yet ark.



I repeat myself but Tristan already had attacks such as Falling Star well before he had ark.



I never said it was impressive though? Just that in this area he is equal to the archangels.



He pierced his cocoon lol. And he didn't use any special move. He only used his fencing. And Melascula didn't do anything to Tristan either.
Oh and actually her enchantment may have hurt Melascula. His enchantment was clearly effective against her until she summoned that creature that ate his light.



It is clearly implied that without Melagaland's poison Falling Star would have had effect.




Fights where he didn't use any of his light attacks except healing and Canon Slash which had an effect on Schwartz (There was also ark but as I mentioned it is weaker than the one of the divine corporal). He fought like a human, just with his swords, without any enchantment.
You are only satisfied with the result, without evaluating the circumstances.

Let me guess. For you during LIONES arc Pellegarde > Full power Gawain and Chaos Galand right?



Well yeah it makes sense. He was just practicing his Sword Swing or at least most of the time.
At 10 years old he had not yet awakened his goddess powers (It is not stated anywhere that he awakened his G-Powers at the same time as his D-Powers) so he followed the training of a normal knight, namely fencing.
In Grudge of Edinburgh again (Literally no one seems to care), Meliodas mentions that Tristan missed training so it's definitely not for his goddess powers.



It's crazy how much fans create canon and it stuffs the truth lol.




Headcanon.



Then Melagaland > Fraudrin > Schwartz > 2DM Meliodas > Zeldris (without DK power) since the latter two were unable to escape from the cocoon.
Then Fraudrin > Schwartz > Testament Beast since G-Tristan has cause more damage to TB than to Schwartz.
Once again you are just basing you on the result.



It's crazy that you come to this conclusion but don't want to apply it to Tristan.

Tristan is as physically fragile as Elisabeth as long as he is not in demon mode and yet you are basing all on his durability.
Should I remind you that Percy's helmet was enough to KO Tristan during the fight against Melagaland (even though Percy didn't put any force into it)?



It just shows your bad faith. It's the same case.You just ignore everything that doesn't go your way.
Since you don't seem to understand, I'll explain.
First of all, I remind you that he is 16 years old and Elizabeth was 3600 years old during the holy war. And Tristan has no exceptional mentor unlike Elisabeth and the archangels (I Guess?)


Why is Tristan physically weak?

- Was sent flying by a headbutt from "Berserk Percy"
- was "sent flying" and almost injured by a simple, non-serious punch from Gawain (when he defended Percy just before Pelle beat Gawain)
- Was knocked out by Percy's helmet even though Percy didn't put any force into it
- Gets hurt by weak characters like IO and Schwartz (The latter literally broke his ribs with a single punch) who are weaker than Fraudrin.

Why is his light magic so strong?

- His enchantment was able to hurt Melascula (a command therefore superior to Schwartz) and was clearly effective. Melascula must have summoned a pseudo-Nephilim to eat his light.
- Was able to free himself from Mela's cocoon. The Dark Cocoon was able to hold 2DM Meliodas and even Zeldris couldn't escape without the Demon King's power. Additionally, this one was reinforced by Chaos which Gawain said grants abnormal resistance to light magic. (This feat alone is MORE THAN ENOUGH)

- Powerful attacks like Falling Star that even Melagaland(fusion of 02 commands) wouldn't have escaped unscathed if he had been touched.

- Shooting Star (I don't know if it's the same as Falling Star) was able to "overwhelm" the TB which is superior to the fusion of two command.

And he acquired all that in two years of training. Because yes compared to Grudge of Edinburgh (which most people ignore), he is on a completely different level. I recall that in Grudge of Edinburgh Falling Star could barely destroy those empty boxes cooking in Annfwyn.

And during these two years of training he not only trained his goddess powers but also perfected his Full counter, improved his swordsmanship, and trained his demonic power.
You all claim he doesn't exercise his D-power but that's still your Headcanon. In Grudge of Edinburgh his demonic power would activate (or at least try to activate) every time that he really wanted to win a fight (with Lancelot, when he cast Falling Star, against Deathpeace) and he had to repress that every time. However at 16 y.o he no longer had these problems. His demonic powers only activated if he wanted them to and he could maintain it for a few seconds before losing control. Of course all this is through some kind of training.

Rather than focusing on 6 years of training (which is not confirmed), try to observe his progress in two years (14-16).

Even assuming he trained for 6 years on his light power (which again is not confirmed), what kind of training can a 10 year old child practice? And on top of that a prince lol. The fact that all of you here insist on these 06 years of training is absurd.
You all act like we have no basis to assess his growth yet we know his level at 14

- Not using Ark in GOE doesn't mean he can't use it then

In addition, regardless of this, don't intentionally ignore the important and basic point here?

The Ark and the Fallen star and all Tristan's light based techniques (which mean they are Ark based in the first place) are both based on Tristan's light magic

If Tristan's Ark is weak, this clearly means that his light magic is also weak without a doubt, and thus how do you expect the Fallen star or any other attack based on the same light magic of Tristan (which can't even perform base Schwartz) to be strong?

- Melagaland's poison was automatic and he used it on everyone around him and not just to avoid Tristan's attacks, he even used it on Percival who was just waving his sword at that time so saying that fallen star was dangerous to Melagaland's only because Melagaland used his poison on Tristan like he did on everyone is nonsense

- And all the feats you cite whether in front of IO or Schwartz or Testament Beast only happened when Tristan started using his demonic powers

- Melascula in her small human-like form is a glass cannon even before purgatory with pl less than 5k he easily separated her head from her body, so even if she avoided Tristan's attacks this does not mean that Tristan's attacks are strong, because Melascule is fragile and physically weak in her small form

- Anyone in the G clan and even the druids can heal wounds, so saying that healing wounds is Archangels feats is absolute nonsense

- Literally Tristan's only good feat with G powers is his survival from the coccon which might just be because the coccon is completely sensitive to light magic

- Whether we consider Tristan a glass cannon as you claim or not does not make his case like Elizabeth's

Elizabeth is a glass cannon with very strong light magic

Tristan is a glass cannon with average light magic (if I want to be nice to Tristan)

You yourself do not have any feat to support your false claim about Tristan's light power other than the coccon's feat and you are trying to use feats done using demon power like TB's feat

- And please tell me that you are not serious in your claim that Tristan spent 6 years just developing his sword skills?
Can you bring up one reference to Tristan's swordsmanship in the story or mention one fight where he showed he relied on his swordsmanship to do anything?

 

[Vortigern]

I think you guys might be looking at Tristan's powers the wrong way. Light and dark magic are opposites but that doesn't mean they are mirror images of one another. Light magic has the same basic offensive uses as dark magic, like shaping magical energy into projectiles and blades or enchanting weapons with it. Beyond that it also has a lot of supplementary techniques such as various healing and purification spells, buffs like Saint Coat and Breath of Bless(which also doubles as mind control), and some niche tricks like the one Jelamet used to rob Jenna and Zaneri of one of their senses. In contrast to light magic, dark magic lacks this kind of versatility. Demons can of course use the Power of Darkness to repair injuries, but it was stated that the damage still remains afterwards so this appears to be akin to gluing body parts back together rather than proper healing, which is presumably why Derieri couldn't regenerate her shredded arm. To make up for the narrower arsenal, dark magic instead goes all in on the offense. The demon marks we've seen Meliodas, Zeldris and Tristan use are the manifestation of this and give the user a major power boost across the board, which is something the goddesses don't have an equivalent to. Dark magic trades versatility for raw power while light magic does the opposite.

This is why it doesn't really make sense to argue that Tristan's demon powers are so much stronger because of how powerful he is in demon mode, because that extra punch is something goddess powers never had to begin with. It's no different from arguing that his demon powers are weak because they aren't as good at healing. His two sides are like a sword and a shield. You can block with a sword but it's not going to be as effective as using a shield. Likewise you can use the shield to bash an enemy, but it's not going to do as much damage as a slash from a sword. Does the mean one is weaker than the other? No, they're different tools meant for different purposes. You get the best of both worlds when you use them at the same time, i.e. Tristan activating his demon mark to buff himself while still having access to powerful goddess healing. That's the endgame for his powers. Thematically the fact that Tristan is a nephilim suggests that he's supposed to be a balanced mix of light and darkness, so it would make sense for the two sides of his powers to be equal. I think the Annihilation technique is evidence of this. Rather than relying on anything unique to either light or dark magic it simply utilizes the basic application of shaping energy into a projectile that is shared between both. Annihilation works by having the two opposite elements cancel each other out while using equivalent techniques like Dark Snow and Falling Star, both of which form a bunch of small projectiles of their respective element. This implies that the two are roughly equal in power, as otherwise the stronger one would simply overpower and extinguish the weaker one. This by the way could explain why the Annihilation effect never happened before in any of the clashes between light and dark magic in NnT since those typically didn't involve attacks of equal strength.

 

[Redpercy]

I think you guys might be looking at Tristan's powers the wrong way. Light and dark magic are opposites but that doesn't mean they are mirror images of one another. Light magic has the same basic offensive uses as dark magic, like shaping magical energy into projectiles and blades or enchanting weapons with it. Beyond that it also has a lot of supplementary techniques such as various healing and purification spells, buffs like Saint Coat and Breath of Bless(which also doubles as mind control), and some niche tricks like the one Jelamet used to rob Jenna and Zaneri of one of their senses. In contrast to light magic, dark magic lacks this kind of versatility. Demons can of course use the Power of Darkness to repair injuries, but it was stated that the damage still remains afterwards so this appears to be akin to gluing body parts back together rather than proper healing, which is presumably why Derieri couldn't regenerate her shredded arm. To make up for the narrower arsenal, dark magic instead goes all in on the offense. The demon marks we've seen Meliodas, Zeldris and Tristan use are the manifestation of this and give the user a major power boost across the board, which is something the goddesses don't have an equivalent to. Dark magic trades versatility for raw power while light magic does the opposite.

This is why it doesn't really make sense to argue that Tristan's demon powers are so much stronger because of how powerful he is in demon mode, because that extra punch is something goddess powers never had to begin with. It's no different from arguing that his demon powers are weak because they aren't as good at healing. His two sides are like a sword and a shield. You can block with a sword but it's not going to be as effective as using a shield. Likewise you can use the shield to bash an enemy, but it's not going to do as much damage as a slash from a sword. Does the mean one is weaker than the other? No, they're different tools meant for different purposes. You get the best of both worlds when you use them at the same time, i.e. Tristan activating his demon mark to buff himself while still having access to powerful goddess healing. That's the endgame for his powers. Thematically the fact that Tristan is a nephilim suggests that he's supposed to be a balanced mix of light and darkness, so it would make sense for the two sides of his powers to be equal. I think the Annihilation technique is evidence of this. Rather than relying on anything unique to either light or dark magic it simply utilizes the basic application of shaping energy into a projectile that is shared between both. Annihilation works by having the two opposite elements cancel each other out while using equivalent techniques like Dark Snow and Falling Star, both of which form a bunch of small projectiles of their respective element. This implies that the two are roughly equal in power, as otherwise the stronger one would simply overpower and extinguish the weaker one. This by the way could explain why the Annihilation effect never happened before in any of the clashes between light and dark magic in NnT since those typically didn't involve attacks of equal strength.

What you're saying is like saying "Neropasta isn't weaker than Deriere, it's just a matter of power diversity".

Using the excuse of power diversity to say that one character is equal to another even though one is much stronger than the other is completely illogical.

Even the story treats Tristan's G side as base Tristan while his demon mode is Tristan's next level/stronger mode.

It's not even a matter of fighting style diversity, it's a matter of Tristan's G side not being able to offer even a little bit of what his demon mode can do on the battlefield

Tristan demok mode can defeat opponents that Tristan G side wouldn't be able to put even a scratch on

Tristan demon mode can be said to have surpassed the average level of Commandments (given his defeat of Melagaland)
While Tristan G side doesn't seem to be even in Neropasta level
His healing is limited to wounds and his powers don't work on diseases and curses
His saint's coat is below average by his own admission
His light magic is weak and can't even hurt base Schwartz

So on what basis do you claim that Tristan's sides are equal or even close?
?

 

[Maelstrom Omega]

- Not using Ark in GOE doesn't mean he can't use it then

In addition, regardless of this, don't intentionally ignore the important and basic point here?

The Ark and the Fallen star and all Tristan's light based techniques (which mean they are Ark based in the first place) are both based on Tristan's light magic

If Tristan's Ark is weak, this clearly means that his light magic is also weak without a doubt, and thus how do you expect the Fallen star or any other attack based on the same light magic of Tristan (which can't even perform base Schwartz) to be strong?

- Melagaland's poison was automatic and he used it on everyone around him and not just to avoid Tristan's attacks, he even used it on Percival who was just waving his sword at that time so saying that fallen star was dangerous to Melagaland's only because Melagaland used his poison on Tristan like he did on everyone is nonsense

- And all the feats you cite whether in front of IO or Schwartz or Testament Beast only happened when Tristan started using his demonic powers

- Melascula in her small human-like form is a glass cannon even before purgatory with pl less than 5k he easily separated her head from her body, so even if she avoided Tristan's attacks this does not mean that Tristan's attacks are strong, because Melascule is fragile and physically weak in her small form

- Anyone in the G clan and even the druids can heal wounds, so saying that healing wounds is Archangels feats is absolute nonsense

- Literally Tristan's only good feat with G powers is his survival from the coccon which might just be because the coccon is completely sensitive to light magic

- Whether we consider Tristan a glass cannon as you claim or not does not make his case like Elizabeth's

Elizabeth is a glass cannon with very strong light magic

Tristan is a glass cannon with average light magic (if I want to be nice to Tristan)

You yourself do not have any feat to support your false claim about Tristan's light power other than the coccon's feat and you are trying to use feats done using demon power like TB's feat

- And please tell me that you are not serious in your claim that Tristan spent 6 years just developing his sword skills?
Can you bring up one reference to Tristan's swordsmanship in the story or mention one fight where he showed he relied on his swordsmanship to do anything?

At this point you must be just kidding me.

I'll just leave a like.

You're definitely trolling me right ?

You don't contradict any argument but simply ignore what is in the manga for the benefit of your Headcanon.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

 

[Redpercy]

At this point you must be just kidding me.

I'll just leave a like.

You're definitely trolling me right ?

You don't contradict any argument but simply ignore what is in the manga for the benefit of your Headcanon.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

If this is your excuse for escaping the discussion, it would have been better for you if you had withdrawn silently

What arguments did you even mention?

It's funny that in everything you wrote, you didn't mention a single valid argument or real feat that supports your claims

And all you have is the coccin feat, then you tried to use feats with the help of demonic power, such as the Testament beast feat

Then you claimed without any evidence that the fallen star attack will damage Melagaland, even though it is featless and based on magic that cannot damage even base Schwartz

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Not even mentioning the fact that you think healing wounds is an something can do just by Archangel level or higher.
Or that you don't realize that Tristan's techniques like fallen stars, Twinkle stars etc... are Ark based.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think you guys might be looking at Tristan's powers the wrong way. Light and dark magic are opposites but that doesn't mean they are mirror images of one another. Light magic has the same basic offensive uses as dark magic, like shaping magical energy into projectiles and blades or enchanting weapons with it. Beyond that it also has a lot of supplementary techniques such as various healing and purification spells, buffs like Saint Coat and Breath of Bless(which also doubles as mind control), and some niche tricks like the one Jelamet used to rob Jenna and Zaneri of one of their senses. In contrast to light magic, dark magic lacks this kind of versatility. Demons can of course use the Power of Darkness to repair injuries, but it was stated that the damage still remains afterwards so this appears to be akin to gluing body parts back together rather than proper healing, which is presumably why Derieri couldn't regenerate her shredded arm. To make up for the narrower arsenal, dark magic instead goes all in on the offense. The demon marks we've seen Meliodas, Zeldris and Tristan use are the manifestation of this and give the user a major power boost across the board, which is something the goddesses don't have an equivalent to. Dark magic trades versatility for raw power while light magic does the opposite.

This is why it doesn't really make sense to argue that Tristan's demon powers are so much stronger because of how powerful he is in demon mode, because that extra punch is something goddess powers never had to begin with. It's no different from arguing that his demon powers are weak because they aren't as good at healing. His two sides are like a sword and a shield. You can block with a sword but it's not going to be as effective as using a shield. Likewise you can use the shield to bash an enemy, but it's not going to do as much damage as a slash from a sword. Does the mean one is weaker than the other? No, they're different tools meant for different purposes. You get the best of both worlds when you use them at the same time, i.e. Tristan activating his demon mark to buff himself while still having access to powerful goddess healing. That's the endgame for his powers. Thematically the fact that Tristan is a nephilim suggests that he's supposed to be a balanced mix of light and darkness, so it would make sense for the two sides of his powers to be equal. I think the Annihilation technique is evidence of this. Rather than relying on anything unique to either light or dark magic it simply utilizes the basic application of shaping energy into a projectile that is shared between both. Annihilation works by having the two opposite elements cancel each other out while using equivalent techniques like Dark Snow and Falling Star, both of which form a bunch of small projectiles of their respective element. This implies that the two are roughly equal in power, as otherwise the stronger one would simply overpower and extinguish the weaker one. This by the way could explain why the Annihilation effect never happened before in any of the clashes between light and dark magic in NnT since those typically didn't involve attacks of equal strength.

You are mixing up raw power and versatility. I think everyone would agree that Ark is much more versatile. But that's not the point. Tristan's Demon powers are clearly superior. Demons do have transformations(only some), while Goddesses don't. But Goddesses can still have an absurd amount of power. Example: Ludociel.

Meliodas is a special case even among Demons. His PoD was absurd to the point he had multiple Demon Marks and Assault Mode. Tristan inherited this from him and he has similar control issues. He has Goddess powers, the ability to use both and stuff but it's a fact that his Demon side is stronger.

If you could separate Tristan, one with only Goddess powers and one with only Demon powers, who would win? The answer is obvious. When he refuses to use his Demon powers, people always think that he is not taking them seriously.

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I know he's still training. Even at the end of the anime he's training but again it's just swordplay. Nowhere does it say he awakened his G-Power at 10.
The problem is that you are using your assumptions as fact. Gawain mentions that he lacks training and he seemed to agree with her. The author mentions that he trains the most BUT he trained a lot of stuff in two years like I said above. It's quite possible that he hasn't trained his G-Powers in a while because he was training something else.
After the LIONES fight for example he only trained in Sword Swing and yet it was the right time to train his G-Power (I mean, given the defeat he suffered).

My point is that saying that "For 6 years he has only been training his G-Powers yet Gawain finds it pathetic" is not correct. If Gawain says he should train and he seems to agree then that just means he hasn't actually trained.



I didn't say he didn't learn anything. I said he only learned the basics from them and nothing more than that.
I say Saint Coat and Ark are tricks he learned from them and he's not really good at them.
However his most powerful attacks (Falling Star , Shooting Star, Twinkle Star, Healing Star) were created by him. No one in the series had these kinds of attacks, did they?
The fact that his personal attacks (the ones named after stars) are much more powerful than the attacks he has certainly learned (Ark, Saint Coat) simply proves that the improvement of his light powers are mostly due to his personal training, not to a Mentor.

Why can't he train everything at once or at different days? Gawain saying that he lacks training was her answer to him saying that his mother could do much better. She lacks context and we know how hard Tristan trains. It makes no sense for Tristan to neglects training his Goddess powers when it's the power he likes the most. He has low self-esteem so he agreed. You are overcomplicating this for no reason. Gawain herself was the one who was the most carried by her innate strength. She had no good sword skills or CQC at all unlike Tristan.

 

[Tristan]

Gawain saying that he lacks training was her answer to him saying that his mother could do much better. She lacks context and we know how hard Tristan trains.

I beg to differ here! "Training" is not the same in each case. Take for example Lancelot. If he spent 6 years (not just 3 as it actually happened in the Lake) training day and night in Benwick, he would NEVER have reached even half of what he has achieved in those 3 years in the Lake. The "REAL" training for shonen heroes hardly if ever happened under the wings of their parents. They need to journey, to fight for their lives and meet others.
Also, I don't quite understand the standard you and @Redpercy are judging Tristan's G-powers against! Here's an example to better understand what I really mean:

A) Tristan's current power of Ark is >>> Elizabeth & the 4AAs = His Ark powers are inherently weak and he will never reach their level.
B) Gawain's current power of Dawn (aka Sunshine) is >>> Escanor & Mael = She has a bigger potential though and she'll surpass them both ... just wait!

Nakaba stated many times that Bloodstained Ellie was equal to the 10C Meliodas. Do you really believe that Tristan will actually reach (or surpass) his dad's level in PoD, and will never reach (or surpass) Prime Elizabeth's level in Ark?

 

[Demonspeed]

I beg to differ here! "Training" is not the same in each case. Take for example Lancelot. If he spent 6 years (not just 3 as it actually happened in the Lake) training day and night in Benwick, he would NEVER have reached even half of what he has achieved in those 3 years in the Lake. The "REAL" training for shonen heroes hardly if ever happened under the wings of their parents. They need to journey, to fight for their lives and meet others.
Also, I don't quite understand the standard you and @Redpercy are judging Tristan's G-powers against! Here's an example to better understand what I really mean:

A) Tristan's current power of Ark is >>> Elizabeth & the 4AAs = His Ark powers are inherently weak and he will never reach their level.
B) Gawain's current power of Dawn (aka Sunshine) is >>> Escanor & Mael = She has a bigger potential though and she'll surpass them both ... just wait!

Nakaba stated many times that Bloodstained Ellie was equal to the 10C Meliodas. Do you really believe that Tristan will actually reach (or surpass) his dad's level in PoD, and will never reach (or surpass) Prime Elizabeth's level in Ark?

1. We don't know what happened to Lancelot and he is obviously closer to his peak compared to the others.
2. Tristan was still easily the 2nd strongest KoA. Only with his Demon powers though. With Goddess powers alone he could never defeat Gawain.
3. I didn't say anything about Gawain's Dawn and her potential. She has her own issues.

I never said Tristan's Goddess powers are weak. I said they are weak compared to his Demon powers. Am I wrong?

Tristan is unable to heal people from curses or diseases despite his focus on Goddess powers. Something that even a Druid like Hendrickson can do. Am I wrong?

 

[Redpercy]

I beg to differ here! "Training" is not the same in each case. Take for example Lancelot. If he spent 6 years (not just 3 as it actually happened in the Lake) training day and night in Benwick, he would NEVER have reached even half of what he has achieved in those 3 years in the Lake. The "REAL" training for shonen heroes hardly if ever happened under the wings of their parents. They need to journey, to fight for their lives and meet others

You can see the difference between Lancelot in GOE at 14 and Lancelot at 16 and you'll realize how wrong the headcanons you're trying to use now is.

A) Tristan's current power of Ark is >>> Elizabeth & the 4AAs = His Ark powers are inherently weak and he will never reach their level.
B) Gawain's current power of Dawn (aka Sunshine) is >>> Escanor & Mael = She has a bigger potential though and she'll surpass them both ... just wait!

I didn't say the part about Gawain, and even if I did, there is a justification for it.

- Unlike Tristan with the powers of light, Gawain hasn't shown any sign of lacking/limited potential with sunshine.

Do you really believe that Tristan will actually reach (or surpass) his dad's level in PoD, and will never reach (or surpass) Prime Elizabeth's level in Ark?

No, I didn't said anything about Tristan reach or surpass Meliodas' level in PoD (who even said that?)

I dont think Tristan can be able to become as strong as Meliodas in PoD or as good as Elizabeth with the powers of light but with the use of both and finding his own path he may reach their level (and I think this is the message that the fight between him and Gawain against the Testament beast conveyed)

So i don't think Tristan is able to surpass or reach Meliodas' level in PoD or Elizabeth level with Light Magic but i think his potential with PoD is much bigger than his potential with Light Magic (And all the narrative and feats seem prove this).

 

[Demonspeed]

@Tristan Do you believe that current Tristan can now heal diseases, curses and that his Goddess powers are now equal to his Demon powers?

 

[Rey151203]

As for his “Nova,” I do not think Nakaba will tie its essence to the literal astrophysical phenomenon. We have already seen this deviation in “Ominous Nebula,” which in astrophysics bears no resemblance to “Full React”—Zeldris’s true innate power, as Merlin describes it—or to the Vortex, the manner in which his power operates. Tristan's "Nova" will likely be "Annihilation" + "whatever it's reverse application is". It is bound to reflect Tristan's nature as a Nephilim.

nah, nova is a fusion magic, merlin can merge elements but not light and darkness, nova would have been manifested precisely for tristan, as if it were destiny

the creation of the star element/magic, all attacks and skills will be linked to this much more than they already are in ark and PoD

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No, actually, it's black and white, it's already been officially revealed, the colors of Mael's magic in a 7ds volume, similar to this star sphere from the game

 

[Tristan]

@Tristan Do you believe that current Tristan can now heal diseases, curses and that his Goddess powers are now equal to his Demon powers?

No, I don't think that Tristan's level at using his G- or D- powers has gotten any better. All he did during these two years was hanging out with his Platoon, fighting fodder Chaos knights until they were sent to Anwfynn and we know what happened since.
On the other hand, Percival— just like Lancelot before him— went to a mysterious realm for who-knows-how-many years have passed in there; and he most likely met with his kin and possibly "their Great One" too. That pretty much explains this exponential improvement in his power and knowledge about himself. I firmly believe that both Tristan and Gawain won't get much improvements until they undergo a similar path.

As for your stance regarding Tristan's demon part being "inherently" more powerful than his goddess part, I believe that it lacks logical consistency with the NnT lore. My argument for that is clear:

Premise 1: Demon Clan and Goddess Clan are equal in power (Nakaba statement)

Premise 2: Darkness & Light by there nature are constantly trying to destroy each other (we know this from NnT manga, and it was made even clearer through Tristan's Annihilation)

Premise 3: As a Nephilim, Tristan's very Being is made of Darkness & Light.

Premise 4: If Darkness was slightly stronger than Light or vice versa, the stronger force would eventually obliterate the weaker force. Such an imbalance would result in the erasure of one aspect of his nature, undermining his existence as a Nephilim, which is defined by the fusion of both forces (Half-Demon Half-Goddess according to the manga!)

Premise 5: The Only being besides Tristan who is made of the same opposing forces is Chaos itself. Can you say that the Darkness of Chaos is stronger / weaker than its Light?

Spoiler

Conclusion: Given these premises, the claim that Tristan’s demon side is inherently stronger than his goddess side is inconsistent with NnT lore. Tristan’s nature as a Nephilim, like that of Chaos, depends upon a balance between Darkness and Light, with neither aspect meant to overpower the other. Hence, his power as a Nephilim arises from this equilibrium, not from any inherent dominance of one side over the other.

Adding to what Vortigern said earlier, since everyone acknowledges the fact that PoD and Ark are different in nature and, therefore, in their modus operandi, it also follows that powering them up for Tristan would take two different paths. For PoD, the power is already unleashed, but Tristan's problem resides in "control". Whereas in the Power of Ark, Tristan seems to be a rookie who hasn't yet unlocked its potential (Think of it as being similar to Harlequinn before and after growing wings). That's why Tristan's demon mode, even in that uncontrolled state, appears to be more powerful, since his power is fiercely unleashed.

 

[Demonspeed]

No, I don't think that Tristan's level at using his G- or D- powers has gotten any better. All he did during these two years was hanging out with his Platoon, fighting fodder Chaos knights until they were sent to Anwfynn and we know what happened since.
On the other hand, Percival— just like Lancelot before him— went to a mysterious realm for who-knows-how-many years have passed in there; and he most likely met with his kin and possibly "their Great One" too. That pretty much explains this exponential improvement in his power and knowledge about himself. I firmly believe that both Tristan and Gawain won't get much improvements until they undergo a similar path.

So you believe that Tristan and Gawain as they are now would easily lose to Percival and Lancelot despite the two years timeskip?

As for your stance regarding Tristan's demon part being "inherently" more powerful than his goddess part, I believe that it lacks logical consistency with the NnT lore. My argument for that is clear:

Premise 1: Demon Clan and Goddess Clan are equal in power (Nakaba statement)

Premise 2: Darkness & Light by there nature are constantly trying to destroy each other (we know this from NnT manga, and it was made even clearer through Tristan's Annihilation)

Premise 3: As a Nephilim, Tristan's very Being is made of Darkness & Light.

Premise 4: If Darkness was slightly stronger than Light or vice versa, the stronger force would eventually obliterate the weaker force. Such an imbalance would result in the erasure of one aspect of his nature, undermining his existence as a Nephilim, which is defined by the fusion of both forces (Half-Demon Half-Goddess according to the manga!)

Premise 5: The Only being besides Tristan who is made of the same opposing forces is Chaos itself. Can you say that the Darkness of Chaos is stronger / weaker than its Light?

Spoiler

Conclusion: Given these premises, the claim that Tristan’s demon side is inherently stronger than his goddess side is inconsistent with NnT lore. Tristan’s nature as a Nephilim, like that of Chaos, depends upon a balance between Darkness and Light, with neither aspect meant to overpower the other. Hence, his power as a Nephilim arises from this equilibrium, not from any inherent dominance of one side over the other.

We are talking about Tristan as a person but your arguments are about the two clans. Darkness and Light aren't destroying each others, they are opposite powers. Ark is even said to be elementally superior to PoD. Using that logic, Darkness and Light at equal power isn't possible because Light weakens Darkness. This is pseudo-science that isn't really relevant when we are talking about Tristan's unique talents.

Chaos is the source of these powers in the first place. While similar, they aren't exactly the same and King of Chaos is Human. The race which fits Chaos perfectly.

You still haven't posted anything explaining why Tristan's Demon powers are so much stronger than his Goddess powers despite his lack of focus on the former.

 

[Tristan]

So you believe that Tristan and Gawain as they are now would easily lose to Percival and Lancelot despite the two years timeskip?

Absolutely! It's not even fair to compare those who went on a Journey and met mysterious and powerful entities (the Lady of the Lake & maybe the LS great one) with those who didn't. It's pretty obvious!

We are talking about Tristan as a person but your arguments are about the two clans. Darkness and Light aren't destroying each others, they are opposite powers. Ark is even said to be elementally superior to PoD. Using that logic, Darkness and Light at equal power isn't possible because Light weakens Darkness. This is pseudo-science that isn't really relevant when we are talking about Tristan's unique talents.

It's not pseudo-science. Nakaba plainly views Ark and PoD as being similar in their interractions to the Matter vs Anti-matter (it was made evident in the way Annihilation was explained in ch. 123). These two forces are cancelling each other out because they are equal albeit with opposite charges (positive and negative).

Chaos is the source of these powers in the first place. While similar, they aren't exactly the same and King of Chaos is Human. The race which fits Chaos perfectly.

Chaos is the source of almost everything. What I'm talking about is clear: its composition. Chaos was never stated to be made from ANYTHING else besides Impure Darkness & Pure Light ... that speaks volumes in-itself, and will play a HUGE part in Tristan's future development (granted the manga stays consistent in this regard).

You still haven't posted anything explaining why Tristan's Demon powers are so much stronger than his Goddess powers despite his lack of focus on the former.

I already did! I said because of the nature of the obstacle Tristan is having with those powers (PoD & Ark). For PoD, the power is already there, UNLEASHED. The problem he's facing is that of "control", that's why his demon side appears currently stronger.
Whereas when it comes to Ark, Tristan is a mere rookie, far from reaching even 1/4 of his Ark's true potential. Evidence? Just add (a) the fact that the GC are the epitome of the Healing / Restoration type according to Nakaba's recent fanbook, to (b) the fact that Tristan is supposed to be the Knight of Plague / Pestilence who, ironically, is unable to heal diseases or curses despite being the descendant of greatest Masters of those: the DK & the SD!
When someone's Ark is getting stronger, all its properties and feats get a proportional boost as well. Tristan can't heal diseases or curses, and can't maintain Saint Coat to more than 6 hours ... this indicates that his Ark power hasn't yet matured.

 

[Rey151203]

that Tristan is supposed to be the Knight of Plague / Pestilence who, ironically, is unable to heal diseases or curses despite being the descendant of greatest Masters of those: the DK & the SD!
When someone's Ark is getting stronger, all its properties and feats get a proportional boost as well. Tristan can't heal diseases or curses, and can't maintain Saint Coat to more than 6 hours ... this indicates that his Ark power hasn't yet matured.

Just one thing, the plague probably won't have anything to do with curses or diseases, but rather with cosmic radiation.

 

[Vortigern]

What you're saying is like saying "Neropasta isn't weaker than Deriere, it's just a matter of power diversity".

Using the excuse of power diversity to say that one character is equal to another even though one is much stronger than the other is completely illogical.

Even the story treats Tristan's G side as base Tristan while his demon mode is Tristan's next level/stronger mode.

It's not even a matter of fighting style diversity, it's a matter of Tristan's G side not being able to offer even a little bit of what his demon mode can do on the battlefield

Tristan demok mode can defeat opponents that Tristan G side wouldn't be able to put even a scratch on

Tristan demon mode can be said to have surpassed the average level of Commandments (given his defeat of Melagaland)
While Tristan G side doesn't seem to be even in Neropasta level
His healing is limited to wounds and his powers don't work on diseases and curses
His saint's coat is below average by his own admission
His light magic is weak and can't even hurt base Schwartz

So on what basis do you claim that Tristan's sides are equal or even close?
?

You clearly didn't understand a word of what I wrote. I brought up the power diversity to illustrate the differences between the two clans and how they specialize in different things, which is important for when you want to compare the two. If goddess healing is inherently better at recovering injuries than demon regeneration then you wouldn't get a good idea of which side of Tristan's powers is stronger by comparing his healing to his regen. The goddess side has unfair advantage so the result would most likely be skewed. In case you're still struggling with this concept, consider some of the even more pronounced differences between the clans. For example, fairies are noted for having very low physical stats, to the point that Gloxinia had less physical strength than Margaret. A random human would defeat the fairy king in wrestling match, but that obviously doesn't mean the human is overall stronger than the fairy. If there was a fairy/giant hybrid similar to Tristan in the sense that they had two distinct sides to their powers which they could activate individually, then you wouldn't use punching strength to determine which side was stronger, because the giant side would have a huge advantage in that particular area. Likewise you wouldn't want to make it into a contest of mobility since fairies with their wings are much more agile than giants. How would you compare them then? The best option would be to examine a trait shared by both clans, like the ability to create golems as seen with Drole and Diane on the giant side and Gloxinia and Tioreh on the fairy side. Have the theoretical fairy/giant hybrid create one golem of each type and then see which one performs better.

What I'm getting at is that if you want to compare the power of Tristan's two sides you need to use a point of comparison where neither side has an unfair advantage due to what each clan specializes in. The only such example we've seen so far in the story was Tristan using both sides of his magic to create very similar basic magic projectiles. When he slammed them together they cancelled each other out, indicating that they were of equal strength. Other such scenarios would be something like Tristan using a Heaven's Lightning enchant on one blade and a Hellblaze enchant on the other, and then hitting a target with no resistance to either element with them to see which one does more damage. Judging by the names I'd wager Hellblaze Omega and Omega Ark would probably work as good points of comparison as well. Those are apples to apples comparisons rather than the apples to oranges one you're using to evaluate Tristan's powers.

You are mixing up raw power and versatility. I think everyone would agree that Ark is much more versatile. But that's not the point. Tristan's Demon powers are clearly superior. Demons do have transformations(only some), while Goddesses don't. But Goddesses can still have an absurd amount of power. Example: Ludociel.

Meliodas is a special case even among Demons. His PoD was absurd to the point he had multiple Demon Marks and Assault Mode. Tristan inherited this from him and he has similar control issues. He has Goddess powers, the ability to use both and stuff but it's a fact that his Demon side is stronger.

If you could separate Tristan, one with only Goddess powers and one with only Demon powers, who would win? The answer is obvious. When he refuses to use his Demon powers, people always think that he is not taking them seriously.

Can you clarify how I'm mixing them up? I explained what I was talking about in my reply to Redpercy above so that might clear up some things for you as well. There appears to be at least some misunderstanding here since you bring up goddesses being strong even though that has nothing to do with my point. You also seem to regard offensive techniques as being inherently superior to defensive ones. I'm talking about certain clans having specific strengths and weaknesses, like how an equally strong giant and a fairy would have very different stat spreads. The power level system showcased this with dividing the total power level into magic, strength and spirit. A giant with a power level of 50k would probably have most of those points in strength while a fairy would have most of them in magic. I didn't like this numerical system and I'm glad Nakaba has seemingly abandoned it, but it did sometimes give us interesting information on things. After Meliodas regained his powers in Istar his total power level was 32.5k, with 2.7k magic, 27.7k strength and 2.1k spirit. When he activated his demon mark his total went up to 56k, with 3k magic, 50k strength and 3k spirit. That's a massive boost especially to the physical stats, which is why Tristan went from not being able to scratch Melagaland with his swords to being able to rip it to pieces with his bare hands after activating his demon mark.

This is what I was talking about with regards to Tristan's demon powers amplifying his offense in a way his goddess powers don't, because goddess powers instead focus on supplementary abilities like healing. One is a sword while the other one is a shield. It's not fair to compare his two powers in terms of healing or raw power because they each enhance one of those things more than the other one. It's like comparing a fairy's punch to a giant's punch or a fairy's mobility to a giant's mobility. If you want to get an accurate comparison of how well they perform you have to look at something neither one is an inherent advantage in. I brought up a couple of ways of doing this with Tristan and so far we have actually seen one of them, that being him making his light and dark elemental projectiles collide. The result was his Ark and PoD cancelling each other out perfectly, strongly suggesting they were equal in power. Note that this doesn't mean the two sides would perform equally well in a fight. Elizabeth and Ludociel were stated to be close in terms of power and we even saw a visual representation of this when the two crossed their Ark blades as a symbol of their alliance. However, if the two were to actually fight Ludociel would easily come out on top, not because he's so much stronger but because his powers are better suited for offense. Elizabeth's amazing support abilities are largely useless in a 1v1 where there's nobody for her to help. If the two instead did a simple comparison of power like using the same generic Ark attack then they would perform equally well, as seen with the aforementioned blade thing. This is what we've witnessed from Tristan's powers through the Annihilation technique. His two sides are balanced in terms of base power but one is geared towards offense and the other towards defense. As I said before, the endgame for Tristan is to use these abilities in conjunction with one another. He can activate his demon mark to buff his base stats while using his goddess healing to recover any damage, and meanwhile he can combine his two equally strong elements together in the form of Annihilation.

 

[Demonspeed]

Absolutely! It's not even fair to compare those who went on a Journey and met mysterious and powerful entities (the Lady of the Lake & maybe the LS great one) with those who didn't. It's pretty obvious!

Although they only fought for a short time, Gawain seems strong enough to give a hard time to Percival. Also, Tristan did go on a journey in Camelot, he even got separated from his subordinates for at least a year. Gawain is the only one who stayed at home. I don't see the point of a timeskip if there is still such a gap between the four.

It's not pseudo-science. Nakaba plainly views Ark and PoD as being similar in their interractions to the Matter vs Anti-matter (it was made evident in the way Annihilation was explained in ch. 123). These two forces are cancelling each other out because they are equal albeit with opposite charges (positive and negative).

Sure, it was similar to matter and antimatter, but that's not really how PoD and Ark have been described. PoD straight up loses to Ark in Elemental RPS. At equal power how can they cancel each other out?

Chaos is the source of almost everything. What I'm talking about is clear: its composition. Chaos was never stated to be made from ANYTHING else besides Impure Darkness & Pure Light ... that speaks volumes in-itself, and will play a HUGE part in Tristan's future development (granted the manga stays consistent in this regard).

Chaos itself is the original and superior light and darkness. Ark from Goddesses and PoD from Demons are inferior versions.

I already did! I said because of the nature of the obstacle Tristan is having with those powers (PoD & Ark). For PoD, the power is already there, UNLEASHED. The problem he's facing is that of "control", that's why his demon side appears currently stronger.
Whereas when it comes to Ark, Tristan is a mere rookie, far from reaching even 1/4 of his Ark's true potential. Evidence? Just add (a) the fact that the GC are the epitome of the Healing / Restoration type according to Nakaba's recent fanbook, to (b) the fact that Tristan is supposed to be the Knight of Plague / Pestilence who, ironically, is unable to heal diseases or curses despite being the descendant of greatest Masters of those: the DK & the SD!
When someone's Ark is getting stronger, all its properties and feats get a proportional boost as well. Tristan can't heal diseases or curses, and can't maintain Saint Coat to more than 6 hours ... this indicates that his Ark power hasn't yet matured.

How many years of training and dedication does he need to stop being a rookie then? You are expecting Tristan to be the perfect fusion of his parents, which is just theoretical. It is made pretty clear that he is more similar to his father. Even hybrids manifest their powers in different ways, King and Diane's kids are a perfect example. I think it's pretty clear than just stronger Ark isn't enough to use all its abilities. There are different skills. Hendrickson can cure diseases and curses and there is no way his powers are even close to Tristan. I still don't get why Tristan's Saint Coat lasting 6 hours is used as some kind of bad feat when he was comparing himself to the absolute best in that department.

Can you clarify how I'm mixing them up? I explained what I was talking about in my reply to Redpercy above so that might clear up some things for you as well. There appears to be at least some misunderstanding here since you bring up goddesses being strong even though that has nothing to do with my point. You also seem to regard offensive techniques as being inherently superior to defensive ones. I'm talking about certain clans having specific strengths and weaknesses, like how an equally strong giant and a fairy would have very different stat spreads. The power level system showcased this with dividing the total power level into magic, strength and spirit. A giant with a power level of 50k would probably have most of those points in strength while a fairy would have most of them in magic. I didn't like this numerical system and I'm glad Nakaba has seemingly abandoned it, but it did sometimes give us interesting information on things. After Meliodas regained his powers in Istar his total power level was 32.5k, with 2.7k magic, 27.7k strength and 2.1k spirit. When he activated his demon mark his total went up to 56k, with 3k magic, 50k strength and 3k spirit. That's a massive boost especially to the physical stats, which is why Tristan went from not being able to scratch Melagaland with his swords to being able to rip it to pieces with his bare hands after activating his demon mark.

Clans have their strengths and weaknesses. You used Fairies(magic oriented) and Giants(physical strength oriented) as examples, but Goddesses and Demons are nothing like that. I don't consider offensive techniques superior at all, I said many times that Ark is much better.

Goddesses and Demons aren't inherently superior in magic or strength. They are similar to Humans, it depends heavily on their own, natural talents as persons, unrelated to their racial traits. Ludo and Mael are clearly physically superior to Sariel and Tarmiel. Elizabeth is clearly more magic oriented while Nanashi is a physical fighter. Same for Demons, Meliodas is a physical fighter first, same for Galan, Zeldris, Derrierie. But there are other Demons like Monspiet, Mera, Gowther.

This is what I was talking about with regards to Tristan's demon powers amplifying his offense in a way his goddess powers don't, because goddess powers instead focus on supplementary abilities like healing. One is a sword while the other one is a shield. It's not fair to compare his two powers in terms of healing or raw power because they each enhance one of those things more than the other one. It's like comparing a fairy's punch to a giant's punch or a fairy's mobility to a giant's mobility. If you want to get an accurate comparison of how well they perform you have to look at something neither one is an inherent advantage in. I brought up a couple of ways of doing this with Tristan and so far we have actually seen one of them, that being him making his light and dark elemental projectiles collide. The result was his Ark and PoD cancelling each other out perfectly, strongly suggesting they were equal in power. Note that this doesn't mean the two sides would perform equally well in a fight. Elizabeth and Ludociel were stated to be close in terms of power and we even saw a visual representation of this when the two crossed their Ark blades as a symbol of their alliance. However, if the two were to actually fight Ludociel would easily come out on top, not because he's so much stronger but because his powers are better suited for offense. Elizabeth's amazing support abilities are largely useless in a 1v1 where there's nobody for her to help. If the two instead did a simple comparison of power like using the same generic Ark attack then they would perform equally well, as seen with the aforementioned blade thing. This is what we've witnessed from Tristan's powers through the Annihilation technique. His two sides are balanced in terms of base power but one is geared towards offense and the other towards defense. As I said before, the endgame for Tristan is to use these abilities in conjunction with one another. He can activate his demon mark to buff his base stats while using his goddess healing to recover any damage, and meanwhile he can combine his two equally strong elements together in the form of Annihilation.

I don't see how Ark is a shield while PoD is a sword though? Ark can be used for offensive, defensive, healing purposes and is naturally superior to PoD. Same for PoD but the healing is far inferior and PoD can also increase negative feelings.

I brought Ludociel for that very reason. He is like what Tristan was trying to become. He is extremely powerful, relies on both CQC and magic but he also uses White Magic in a way Tristan can't. We saw him use Invigorate. Tristan can't even use such a technique so far so even if you see Ark as a "shield" he is lacking.

Tristan wanted to become strong enough to defeat anyone without relying on his PoD. But so far, it seems that his Goddess powers, while strong aren't enough to defeat the foes he has been against.

Tristan obviously will learn to use them both at the same time but nothing indicates that his Goddess powers are comparable to his Demon powers. As for Ark and PoD cancelling each other out(can't remember when it happened), it's simply a matter of output. Tristan's Goddess powers are in no way weak, his Falling Stars was noted to be extremely powerful and he destroyed Mera's cocoon with a single slash, but his power output with PoD is far stronger.

As I said above, if both PoD and Ark are used at the exact same level of power, Ark will overpower PoD, because PoD is weak to Ark. I compared a few times here to Popp's Medoroa from Dragon Quest(if you haven't read or watched the series, skimming trhough Episode 46 of the remake should be enough to understand what I mean).