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[Imperium]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

Oh my god, is this paragraphs I see? o.o

Edit: I do apologise for breaking the chain of discussion. >_>;

 

[xi0]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

Geography could be an influential factor, but it's not the main reason. Christianity as a faith/religion started there and expanded. However, the details regarding slaughter were not taken over by Christian practitioners. Therefore, I assume that slaughtering practices, although have a ground on religious doctrine, are merely preserved though traditions. To exemplify, I'll give you the following situation: strict Judaism (Kite, correct me if I'm wrong) strictly limits travel during Sabbath. Highly religious Jews even count the number of steps they take. However, the Tanakh, which is canon, does not specify that travel should be limited. It says that a man should avoid doing unnecessary work. I can provide other examples from Islam too (traditions), but I'll stop here, for the sake of the ones reading.

3c...I agree that it's a horrific death; but; I wanted to know the background of this particular practice!

I didn't mean to imply that it was the main reason. I have no idea, it's just my opinion.

Christianity is different because it spread Westward and was adopted by Empires and Kingdoms throughout European history. With that, and due to the Great Schism as well as all the reformation movements in the last thousand years there are a bunch of differences in orthopraxy throughout Christianity. A great example of how much of a hodgepodge Christianity is is the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. They're Christian, but observe the Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, share much of the same "kosher" laws that Jews have, but also recommend vegetarianism to it's followers, which is pretty unique among all three faiths. They also forbid alcohol and other drugs from being consumed. Many secular movements in the Western world have led to the strictness of such practices being lost in most denominations. This is why I called most Catholic dietary practices as being "suggestions" rather than law. It's really not the same or a proper comparison in my opinion either. Christianity in that part of the world has been declining rapidly for well over a century. Today they only make up 5% of the population. Christianity's roots are in that part of the world but it hasn't held the same level of "importance" for them since the Crusades.

Now, the specific reason why Jews and Muslims hold onto these laws and not Christians as a whole, I don't have an answer for. It was really just an educated guess. They're both Abrahamic religions, with populations that lived among each other for quite a long time. It's probably dumbing it down a bit admittedly.

Oh my god, is this paragraphs I see? o.o

Edit: I do apologise for breaking the chain of discussion. >_>;

You could weigh in Mr.Intellectual...

 

[Imperium]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

But that would be going against my role in this thread as that sarcastic kid in the back of the class. >.> Meh...

Anyway, another note on ancy's point about tradition is that there is no specific mention in the Qu'ran about which slaughtering method should be used, or how the animal should be killed. The methods are only used because they are traced back to hadiths (prophetic sayings and deeds). Now the interesting part is that while still in its infancy, Islam had relatively little contact with Christians in comparison with Jews who lived amongst them in Arabia. So it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the traditional Jewish method of slaughter did influence or even was the source of the current Islamic method. In fact, its highly likely. The similarities between the two are quite striking, but I don't know anything of pre-Islamic slaughter methods in Arabia to actually say for definite. It could be that the traditional Jewish slaughtering method - or slight variations thereof - was already widespread in the region and this was adopted by the new religion. That could go to explain why it is specifically mentioned in the Qu'ran that kosher meat is allowed to be eaten and hence halal.

A strict kosher diet forbids all invertebrates. I am not aware of a similar law that would forbid Muslims from eating shellfish.

That is not fully the case. There is a school of thought (hanafi) that does forbid shellfish but its a minority view. It's interesting because unlike other major schools of thought, the majority of the followers from that school are not really near the sea. The others schools do have significant populations that rely on seafood (North Africa, East Africa, Southeast Asia) and they do not follow that opinion and consider all things from the sea to be edible. The more cynical among us might call it pragmatism.

 

[thornofcarrion]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

Too much to read...skipped all posts .

 

[Nuno]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

Too much to read...skipped all posts .

I agree, this thread lost its edge.

 

[xi0]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

Thorn has knowledge on this topic and he just skips out on it to be "cool". Thanks for the encouragement, dick.

 

[Imperium]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

The funny thing is, he started it all.

 

[xi0]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

The funny thing is, he started it all.

Don't give him any credit

 

[thornofcarrion]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

Thorn has knowledge on this topic and he just skips out on it to be "cool". Thanks for the encouragement, dick.

The funny thing is, he started it all.

Assuming you are talking about Halal food and the fact I haven't read the previous posts (which I already announced few posts back), I have basic knowledge. What is not Halal, also called Haram:

Pork or any pork by-products
Alcohol or any food / drink containing alcohol
Animals dead before they were slaughtered
Animals not slaughtered properly or not slaughtered in the name of Allah
Blood and blood by-products
Carnivorous animals

There may be few more but I cannot recall them at the moment. I will quote a scientific study conducted at University of Miami, by Muslim Student Organization.

Spoiler

Al Shaddad Bin Aous has quoted this tradition of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.


Experimental Details:

1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.

4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.

5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.



Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

Gary, I insist you read Tower of God...I insisttttttttt. I insist, you should drop that bottle of hand lotion and start reading immediately.

 

[xi0]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

It was more about the religious history aspect of "unclean animals" but okay

Why? When the weather gets colder it takes a toll on my hands :c

 

[thornofcarrion]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

 

[Dried Ambrosia]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

...and we're back to spam ....nice job Bearywannabe

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

so u guys talking about not eating animals? bitch plz.I wanna see u say that after zombie outbreak

 

[Drmke]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT HEEMS SOLO ALBUMS. MAYBE I JUST NEED TO LET THEM GROW ON ME, DUNNO.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

...and we're back to spam ....nice job Bearywannabe

it was bound to happen. This is Gary we r talking about

 

[xi0]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT HEEMS SOLO ALBUMS. MAYBE I JUST NEED TO LET THEM GROW ON ME, DUNNO.

The mixtapes? I haven't listened to them, but I like him more than Kool A.D. I think so who knows.

it was bound to happen. This is Gary we r talking about

No, my thread has more to do with it than ME

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

but ur the one that has the spam award and not ur thread ur being silly moronic again

 

[Drmke]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

The mixtapes? I haven't listened to them, but I like him more than Kool A.D. I think so who knows.

Yeah mixtapes...that takes longer to type than album so...But yeah Heems is better than Kool A.D. imo and Lukatis is just...well I don't care much for him (I mention him because they collaborate a lot).

 

[xi0]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

but ur the one that has the spam award and not ur thread ur being silly moronic again

But I'm not the only person that posts here

Yeah mixtapes...that takes longer to type than album so...But yeah Heems is better than Kool A.D. imo and Lukatis is just...well I don't care much for him (I mention him because they collaborate a lot).

I know the name, I just don't remember him specifically

 

[Drmke]

Re: Real men are like wolves, with you for life or alone for it - Part 6

He's the one that dumbs down most Das Racist songs he's in.