Discussion How will luffy fight Blackbeard?

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Blackbeard has his weaknesses in his devil fruit as well. Besides, one of his biggest problems is his arrogant attitude which would probably lead to his downfall.
 

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BB can't negate weapons,they're somewhat unchanged by his Yami Yami no Mi, so they could always be an option as Whitebeard proved with his Bisento.

Since BB's body draws in damage, Luffy's aim should be to overwhelm him with attacks that exceed his threshold.

BB's ability only works when he's actually holding on to his opponent.

We all saw how Whitebeard almost defeated Blackbeard with his unrivalled power. Had Whitebeard been able to continuously deal damage being that he already on the verge of death, he'd have won.

It comes down to how much Luffy's attacks can overwhelm BB and for how long they can leave him open to more attacks as we saw Whitebeard do.
 

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I'm not sure how Luffy could prevent Blackbeard from puling him with gravity but i do believe that haki would prevent Blackbeard from taking Luffy's powers.

From what i understand, for Blackbeard to take aways someone's ability, he needs to touch them and imho haki should work like a barrier that prevents direct contact and in that way protects the user from Blackbeard's power.
 

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If gravity can suck even Devil Fruit powers, I expect it to be able to suck Haki too.
 

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If gravity can suck even Devil Fruit powers, I expect it to be able to suck Haki too.
Well, haki and devil fruits are completely different and we don't really know if the devil fruit negation works through absorbing....
 

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I'm not sure how Luffy could prevent Blackbeard from puling him with gravity but i do believe that haki would prevent Blackbeard from taking Luffy's powers.

From what i understand, for Blackbeard to take aways someone's ability, he needs to touch them and imho haki should work like a barrier that prevents direct contact and in that way protects the user from Blackbeard's power.
I don't think haki can work, otherwise why wouldn't Luffy use haki to overcome his weakness to water? More like, haki hardens the skin or object it covers, no? But then, invisible armor... but then, I still doubt haki works like a barrier that can prevent direct contact. If true, then masters of haki wouldn't need to fear the sea.
 

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quickest solution would be for luffy to make friends with magellan and then he can drop blackbeard again with poison ;)
 

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IIf true, then masters of haki wouldn't need to fear the sea.
Yeah, that's a good point, didn't think about that...
 

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All my money would go to a "red hawk"variance just to avenge Ace.

I dont even think Luffy will need a special moveset. He already proved to be able to hurt BB and with G4 he should be able to dodge most of his attacks. The only problem is his gravity->quake combo, but even then he needs to get caught first.
 

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I don't think haki can work, otherwise why wouldn't Luffy use haki to overcome his weakness to water? More like, haki hardens the skin or object it covers, no? But then, invisible armor... but then, I still doubt haki works like a barrier that can prevent direct contact. If true, then masters of haki wouldn't need to fear the sea.
Well Haki works separately from DF. It can act as a barrier as well. Didn't Rayleigh show something like that when the elephant charged him? And coating with Haki might allow Luffy retain his elasticity. DD made a comment about how luffy's body was still elastic in gear 4, even to the point that DD's own attacks simply bounced off.

As for how Luffy will fight BB, well the latter needs to make contact to negate the fruit. And contact seems to be via his hands because WB was able to use quakes on him when he grabbed his neck. It'll be a matter of Luffy alternating between Haki and his DF for the most part. If he hits BB with the latter touching him, there shouldn't be a problem. That's a lot easier said than done though, especially considering BB is quite a tank. It takes a lot to harm the guy and even then it doesn't seem to be enough.
 

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Well Haki works separately from DF. It can act as a barrier as well. Didn't Rayleigh show something like that when the elephant charged him? And coating with Haki might allow Luffy retain his elasticity. DD made a comment about how luffy's body was still elastic in gear 4, even to the point that DD's own attacks simply bounced off.

As for how Luffy will fight BB, well the latter needs to make contact to negate the fruit. And contact seems to be via his hands because WB was able to use quakes on him when he grabbed his neck. It'll be a matter of Luffy alternating between Haki and his DF for the most part. If he hits BB with the latter touching him, there shouldn't be a problem. That's a lot easier said than done though, especially considering BB is quite a tank. It takes a lot to harm the guy and even then it doesn't seem to be enough.
It does, but I'm not sure if it's as good a barrier as thought to be, otherwise devil fruit users would have no reason to fear the water if they could master haki. So I don't think haki prevents direct contact, so it won't help Luffy here. Luffy most likely did something unique with his haki that allowed him to combine its strength with its devil fruit, or he probably can control it the way he did to give him elasticity. I just can't see it working like a shield against Blackbeard.

Unless Luffy masters Gear 4 (and probably goes further with the Gears/haki), I can't see him beating Blackbeard. Blackbeard was able to beat Ace, take on Whitebeard (despite disadvantage), and survive Magellan. Interestingly, it'd be cool to see Luffy pick up a weapon, at least against Blackbeard.
 

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I don't think Haki acts as a barrier in the literal sense. As the name "hardening" suggests, it hardens your skin, muscles and everything, but it's still your body.
 

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I would also question the extent to which haki can actually prevent you from being physically touched. We have seen it at work but so far it seems to work as a short burst so to speak. Other than that it probably won't prevent physical contact altogether. Even if it worked like that at all it would still be only the weaker version of haki. Hardening makes the actual body harder, it in no form or degree would prevent contact. And if it is only the weaker version of haki that would allow this form of protection it probably won't be a big deal anyways.
 

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It was never mentioned in the manga that Luffy knows BB stole WB's power so I guess it will be a surprise for him and also a boost for the battle in order to revenge Ace's captain.
At this point I think BB already have any kind of intangible logia making him harder to fight even with haki.
I wouldn't like Luffy fighting with BB with 300 people helping him, I want a fight just like against Rob Lucci 1 on 1 at full power.
The final battle will be Luffy at full power with haki and all vs Chimera BB with lots of devil fruit but at the end Luffy will win because BB will have so many DF and coudn't have mastered any of them, just the yami yami.
 

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I don't think Haki acts as a barrier in the literal sense. As the name "hardening" suggests, it hardens your skin, muscles and everything, but it's still your body.
Agree with this, it's still a part of the body.

Even if Haki did provide a barrier, Blackbeard's Vortex would still latch on to any individual leaving them open to an attack from the Gura Gura no Mi.

As far as I can see, there's only one way to defeat Blackbeard, and that's by being overwhelmingly powerful.

If the Whitebeard fight is analysed, Blackbeard was relatively fresh while Whitebeard wasn't. Whitebeard hit him twice with the Gura Gura no Mi, and Blackbeard was completely open for attack, and needed to be saved by his subordinates. Unless Luffy's physical power is comparable to Whitebeard at the moment he fights Blackbeard, it may be impossible to put him down.
 

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BB can't negate weapons,they're somewhat unchanged by his Yami Yami no Mi, so they could always be an option as Whitebeard proved with his Bisento.

Since BB's body draws in damage, Luffy's aim should be to overwhelm him with attacks that exceed his threshold.

BB's ability only works when he's actually holding on to his opponent.

We all saw how Whitebeard almost defeated Blackbeard with his unrivalled power. Had Whitebeard been able to continuously deal damage being that he already on the verge of death, he'd have won.

It comes down to how much Luffy's attacks can overwhelm BB and for how long they can leave him open to more attacks as we saw Whitebeard do.
Blackbeard took a Quake Punch to the head and a Bisento slash across the chest despite suffering extra damage only for him to go "Zehahaha!" The only time Blackbeard has been in a true pinch is against Magellan, a rather dubious scene when Oda was suffering hiccups in his writing style.
 

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Blackbeard took a Quake Punch to the head and a Bisento slash across the chest despite suffering extra damage only for him to go "Zehahaha!" The only time Blackbeard has been in a true pinch is against Magellan, a rather dubious scene when Oda was suffering hiccups in his writing style.
That slash did incapacitate him, and created the opening for Whitebeard to deal the Quake Punch. What would have the result been had he been able to deal a 2nd punch? We do not know, but it could possibly have turned the tides completely, but Whitebeard was simply too exhausted (which is an understatement) to do any more than that.

Magellan's ability isn't explicitly more powerful than Whitebeard's Quake attack. It's not possible to compare an attack that works at microscopic biological level to an attack that works through force. Would be like trying to compare a dose of cyanide to the strength of a physical attack, they work too differently to be compared.

Poison is not force, it physiologically compromises any organism, even Whitebeard or any other elite Pirate would have fell if poisoned by Magellan, he just has an ability that no living organism is immune to. It's like fighting against sickness, no amount of brute force or strength could deter its effect. As we even learn, the Pirate King Roger couldn't defeat his illness, it's just the inevitable work of nature.

Caesar's ablity to create vacuums, anyone deprived off oxygen, no matter who they were, would lose consciousness. Magellan and Caesar's abilities are extremely powerful, they don't even need to be individually strong to poes a threat, their abilities compromise the body on a chemical level.

Personally wouldn't regard Blackberad falling to Magellan's poison as a hiccup, in terms of physiology and how biological organisms react, it's consistent that no one, no matter how powerful they were, should be able to defy the ramifications of attacks that compromise one's physiology and work at a chemical level.
 
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Luffy's Conqueror Haki will play a big role in their battle. Also, I see an "Ace Revenge Scenario" where Luffy(Ace shown with Luffy) will use his ultimate attack which is a Red Hawk infused Gattling King Kong Gun or Gattling Giant Pistol, that way we can see how Fire(light) defeats darkness. Also, if the BB pirates defeat Dragon/ Revolutionary Army, I can see Luffy fighting alongside Sabo who both would like to avenge for their brother&father's loss.
 

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BB is a beast even without any of his DFs , he injured Shanks badly and he killed one of WB best crews just by his base power .

Luffy barely could beat Doffy who already was weakened and was using one of his strongest techniques in other way ...
and BB has an special and strong body as well ...
 

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We need to think about BB's awakening as well, maybe his darkness could be expended far out negating df users' abilities just like his hand contact df users' bodies. Then not to mention quake df would cancel out any physical attacks independent of distance.

Luffy will need more than G4 and his haki in order to beat BB, his CC doesn't KO BB like some people think. The fact that BB > Marco really means something because I still see Luffy < Marco, of course most people will disagree but Marco has stayed in NW far too long to fall into such simple attacks.
 
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