he doesnt have much hype and perfromance. let see if laxus or erza solo one of them, then we will know dragon eileen is above them by reasonable amount
not really. basically if enchnace erza is not interested in jellal, then he could handle her
then we know you are bais. selective powercreep effect
nope, we saw aconologia trying to resist eileen nuke
i aint the one claiming Suzaku is stronger than human Acno tier lol
plot. even ROT acnologia cant kill erza.
same for me. if suzaku can one shot dragon eileen, i am going to need to see it.
i believe its pof eos erza
pof eos erza>>>>>suzaku
fire is physical
revealing what, her hand? acnologia was revealing he was dragon magic
lucy and laxus are relevant because they are not fodders now.
i wonder how much it was
he doesnt have much hype and perfromance. let see if laxus or erza solo one of them, then we will know dragon eileen is above them by reasonable amount
How does that indicate bias? Some powercreep is high, some is low. Alvarez is on the higher end, 100YQ seems to be even greater.
And we saw Acnologia try to dodge Jellal's attacks.
Sure, that was Mashima.
Suzakua has superior feats in defeating Selene.
Ridiculous. Suzaku's feats against Selene are objectively superior to any character bar Natsu. Neither Eileen nor August have accomplished anything even remotely close to what he did.
I disagree.
Revealing her dragon form.
Sure and in the same way Lucy isn't fodder, Brandish isn't fodder. There is use for them.
Who knows. Eileen will prob do something in the near future.
He's hyped as human Acno tier, defeated Selene and oneshot both Erza and Natsu. He has all the hype and performance anyone could ever need.
If Erza or Laxus solo one of them, they're not only beating Eileen because of Slayer advantage, they're just outright more powerful than she is.
it shows your biasness because you literally use whatever to make your argument to your liking. alvarzec was on higher end, then gmg. 100YQ might not have any.
Just like you made your jellal above erza for defeating someone far weaker, you came out of nowwhere to say 100YQ has a huge power jump. that is it
Ridiculous. Suzaku's feats against Selene are objectively superior to any character bar Natsu. Neither Eileen nor August have accomplished anything even remotely close to what he did.
when did other characters have this opportunity. how can we compare fairly
acno vs eileen happened. and we know even human selene to sh!t human acno because of him eating magic
we know nothing of selene.
i know why you disagree. when it comes to the character you wank. you accpet only their their strength, for those who you think are fodder, you need to pull bs out to make them weaker somehow
He's hyped as human Acno tier, defeated Selene and oneshot both Erza and Natsu. He has all the hype and performance anyone could ever need.
If Erza or Laxus solo one of them, they're not only beating Eileen because of Slayer advantage, they're just outright more powerful than she is.
selene allowed her self to lose. dont know where he was hyped to be acno tier. everyone and their mothers can one shot erza and natsu depending on the context.
how do you make stupid like this, i never understand. if he loses to one of them that just mean him one shotting erza and natsu wasnt anything special and selene was not performing anywhere near human acno level.
if selene lost for real, and dragon weakness is the only thing that put eileen out, then we will see suzaku or his equal one shotting dragon selene
if that does not happen, one is untrue, either selene was pretending or dragon weakness is a thing you invented to dehype the bejesus out of eileen.
while all you need for jellal (a character you apparently dislike) to beat someone far weakrr than erza, to be considered above her.
it shows your biasness because you literally use whatever to make your argument to your liking. alvarzec was on higher end, then gmg. 100YQ might not have any.
Just like you made your jellal above erza for defeating someone far weaker, you came out of nowwhere to say 100YQ has a huge power jump. that is it
what acnologia couldnt dodge jellal?
nope.
compared to what
when did other characters have this opportunity. how can we compare fairly
acno vs eileen happened. and we know even human selene to sh!t human acno because of him eating magic
we know nothing of selene.
i know why you disagree. when it comes to the character you wank. you accpet only their their strength, for those who you think are fodder, you need to pull bs out to make them weaker somehow
why would she need to block natsu with her hand to turn into a dragon, she could have no sold it then turn into a dragon
brandish is someone, who can with gajeel help, make dragon gods eat mud.
that would mean like we already now, very little magic power is enough for df nebel
selene allowed her self to lose. dont know where he was hyped to be acno tier. everyone and their mothers can one shot erza and natsu depending on the context.
how do you make stupid like this, i never understand. if he loses to one of them that just mean him one shotting erza and natsu wasnt anything special and selene was not performing anywhere near human acno level.
if selene lost for real, and dragon weakness is the only thing that put eileen out, then we will see suzaku or his equal one shotting dragon selene
if that does not happen, one is untrue, either selene was pretending or dragon weakness is a thing you invented to dehype the bejesus out of eileen.
while all you need for jellal (a character you apparently dislike) to beat someone far weakrr than erza, to be considered above her.
Lmao, bias? Are you still going on about that? You have no leg to stand on here. You'll literally ignore what's stated about August and Eileen and claim Eileen is superior. You'll literally call Eileen's durability great for facing PoF Erza and PoF Erza's offense great for hurting Eileen, while simultaneously claiming August's durability is shit for being forced into suicide by PoF Gildarts, and PoF Erza>>>PoF Gildarts because she hurt Eileen. You're the poster child for bias.
And are you telling me you don't think Alvarez was a large jump?
He got hit.
Mashima literally states Dragon Gods are Acno tier. Then goes onto state Suzaku is on their human level. You're arguing with the manga at this point.
Exactly. Compared to what? Eileen has done literally nothing that comes close to this. Best she's done is high diff Erza and Wendy.
Natsu vs nerfed God Seed Aldaron. Suzaku did as well against Selene as Natsu did vs Aldaron.
So could Acno. Why did he dodge Jellal's first attacks? Literally no reason to. Even less than Selene blocking Natsu.
And accomplish literally nothing in the process, despite him being nerfed by his seeds. Lucy was more vital against Acnologia than anyone bar maybe Wendy.
So? Even if she only had enough MP left for one attack, that just means she can oneshot df Nebal. Not especially impressive.
I said human Acno tier.
Selene allowed herself to lose because she didn't go dragon form, per her statement.
I'm literally just restating the manga. Is the manga stupid? Sure. But it is what it is.
Not at all. Dragon Weakness can be what beat Eileen and fail to beat Selene easily. They're not the same character any more than END and Mard Geer are. This isn't something I've invented, Erza is weaker than Eileen, both before and after the fight that's just the way it is. The fact that you're not willing to accept that alone says plenty.
Lmao, bias? Are you still going on about that? You have no leg to stand on here. You'll literally ignore what's stated about August and Eileen and claim Eileen is superior. You'll literally call Eileen's durability great for facing PoF Erza and PoF Erza's offense great for hurting Eileen, while simultaneously claiming August's durability is shit for being forced into suicide by PoF Gildarts, and PoF Erza>>>PoF Gildarts because she hurt Eileen. You're the poster child for bias.
And are you telling me you don't think Alvarez was a large jump?
lets replace erza with natsu here and gildarts with erza
so if pof natsu can be >> pof erza, why cant pof erza be >> pof gildarts?
did we not see erza over power eileen top tier move? did we not see dragon eileen casual move. did we see gildarts over power august top tier move? did we see august causal moves?
and then talk about poster child of bais.
august and eileen are equal, that is what was stated.
alverzec jump was huge. natsu came in and burned the entire stadium, could hear from across town, and one shot bluenote.
gmg jump was good too. we saw natsu vs max.
we have nothing for current arc, nothing. and you think its even bigger than alverzec arc jump. lol
mishma also said ajeel > team natsu and jura>mira+erza. i am just not gonna jump on the hype train like you. i will wait. and then even agree power creep. i am just waiting
look acno ate jellal attack o show he is dragon of magic. you think everyone and their mothers can no sell iron fist. i am just saying that is not the case. selene did not no sell it.
I said human Acno tier.
Selene allowed herself to lose because she didn't go dragon form, per her statement.
I'm literally just restating the manga. Is the manga stupid? Sure. But it is what it is.
Not at all. Dragon Weakness can be what beat Eileen and fail to beat Selene easily. They're not the same character any more than END and Mard Geer are. This isn't something I've invented, Erza is weaker than Eileen, both before and after the fight that's just the way it is. The fact that you're not willing to accept that alone says plenty.
why? END and mard arent same. one is demon, one is some weird hybrid and not explored at all. bloodman would be a better example
unlike selene and eileen. they are both dragons. and difference is only in power. if someone weaker than human eileen can one shot her dragon form, someone around human selen should definelty one shot dragon selene
tell me how can your hypothesis of dragon eileen can be proven or dis proven
i am willing to accept that pof erza did infact over power deus sema. are you willing to accept that. if erza can over power eileen top tier move she can wreck her too. just like gildarts vs bluenote black hole. or if some attack over powers jura mt fuji, i can see that attack will wreck jura too.
i dont see why dragon weakness need to be here at all. nothing in those panels suggest eileen was weak to ds, she just seems resistance to non ds magic.
dude you just said there is no consistencey in power scalling in fairy tail. and yet you think mishma is going to sh!t on one of the main, or family members
hell you shouldnt even be shocked if dragon eileen and dragon selene fight for a while
i told you before, search for an excuse for the good guys. any excuse to make them stronger. because mishma has to do something for the good guys to win
Irene could land blows on Acno but due to magic immunity/resistance or whatever we couldn't really get a good gauge of her AP against god tiers. Leaning towards Selene. If all else fails, BFR gg
lets replace erza with natsu here and gildarts with erza
so if pof natsu can be >> pof erza, why cant pof erza be >> pof gildarts?
did we not see erza over power eileen top tier move? did we not see dragon eileen casual move. did we see gildarts over power august top tier move? did we see august causal moves?
and then talk about poster child of bais.
august and eileen are equal, that is what was stated.
alverzec jump was huge. natsu came in and burned the entire stadium, could hear from across town, and one shot bluenote.
gmg jump was good too. we saw natsu vs max.
we have nothing for current arc, nothing. and you think its even bigger than alverzec arc jump. lol
was he trying to dodge too?
mishma also said ajeel > team natsu and jura>mira+erza. i am just not gonna jump on the hype train like you. i will wait. and then even agree power creep. i am just waiting
selene might have been acting. putting suzaku far below you are ranking him
again selene might be acting. we will find out by the end of selene arc
look acno ate jellal attack o show he is dragon of magic. you think everyone and their mothers can no sell iron fist. i am just saying that is not the case. selene did not no sell it.
extremely small about of magic of eileen man. it means like bluenote causally one shotting gmg juvia or something
and i am waiting. i am open to anything, but will wait till the end of the arc atleast
why? END and mard arent same. one is demon, one is some weird hybrid and not explored at all. bloodman would be a better example
unlike selene and eileen. they are both dragons. and difference is only in power. if someone weaker than human eileen can one shot her dragon form, someone around human selen should definelty one shot dragon selene
tell me how can your hypothesis of dragon eileen can be proven or dis proven
i am willing to accept that pof erza did infact over power deus sema. are you willing to accept that. if erza can over power eileen top tier move she can wreck her too. just like gildarts vs bluenote black hole. or if some attack over powers jura mt fuji, i can see that attack will wreck jura too.
i dont see why dragon weakness need to be here at all. nothing in those panels suggest eileen was weak to ds, she just seems resistance to non ds magic.
For one, Erza isn't Natsu. She doesn't have the Flame of Emotion.
Secondly, because theres nothing suggesting she is. You arbitrarily rank August's durability low because Gildarts forced him to suicide, instead of ranking Gildarts offense high like you do with Erza for what she did to Eileen. Instead you use a double standard to claim "oh, PoF Erza is just>>>Gildarts because August's durability is trash, so forcing him to suicide isn't as good a feat as cutting Eileen". No reason for it, just bias. Gildarts literally blitzed and shredded August, it's a better feat than smashing Deus Sema.
Nothing he says, after seeing Suzaku solo a human Acno tier. The disingenuousness is astounding.
Yes?
True. And if that's the case the power creep isn't as big. If she wasn't though, it is.
And why did he dodge?
Who knows.
END and Mard Geer are as similar as Selene and Eileen are. Eileen is a "hybrid" as you claim that became a dragon. END is a "hybrid" that became a demon.
Huh?
No, it's closer to Wendy stopping Dimaria's full powered attack. Eileen was clearly portrayed as superior. This is obvious.
Literally everything suggests she is weak to DS. The entire function of slayer magic for one. Eileen laughing at Erza before Slayer magic and then being shocked when Wendy gave it to her. The very fact that it was used in the first place. All suggest she's weak to DS. This claim right here, is as dumb as claiming that nothing suggests Mard Geer is weak to Slayer magic. It's literally the same.
For one, Erza isn't Natsu. She doesn't have the Flame of Emotion.
Secondly, because theres nothing suggesting she is. You arbitrarily rank August's durability low because Gildarts forced him to suicide, instead of ranking Gildarts offense high like you do with Erza for what she did to Eileen. Instead you use a double standard to claim "oh, PoF Erza is just>>>Gildarts because August's durability is trash, so forcing him to suicide isn't as good a feat as cutting Eileen". No reason for it, just bias. Gildarts literally blitzed and shredded August, it's a better feat than smashing Deus Sema.
and gildarts isnt erza.
which is it, can erza do everything natsu can, or can erza can do things that gildarts cant.
you seems to be going dumber as you go forward. i can rank erza offense based on deus sema, i can base, dragon eileen offense based on her claw strike. what can you do other other than make arbitrary nonsense. oh, jellal farted, that is above smashing deus sema
END and Mard Geer are as similar as Selene and Eileen are. Eileen is a "hybrid" as you claim that became a dragon. END is a "hybrid" that became a demon.
Huh?
No, it's closer to Wendy stopping Dimaria's full powered attack. Eileen was clearly portrayed as superior. This is obvious.
Literally everything suggests she is weak to DS. The entire function of slayer magic for one. Eileen laughing at Erza before Slayer magic and then being shocked when Wendy gave it to her. The very fact that it was used in the first place. All suggest she's weak to DS. This claim right here, is as dumb as claiming that nothing suggests Mard Geer is weak to Slayer magic. It's literally the same.
what.
your claim are going more into retardation
eileen story was that to fight dragons, they needed dragon magic. otherwise they cant hurt them. eileen destroyed her life for it.
nothing in this suggests, that eileen is weak to ds. she is not resistant to it, unlike normal magic, just like dragons. that is all.
Irene could land blows on Acno but due to magic immunity/resistance or whatever we couldn't really get a good gauge of her AP against god tiers. Leaning towards Selene. If all else fails, BFR gg
and gildarts isnt erza.
which is it, can erza do everything natsu can, or can erza can do things that gildarts cant.
you seems to be going dumber as you go forward. i can rank erza offense based on deus sema, i can base, dragon eileen offense based on her claw strike. what can you do other other than make arbitrary nonsense. oh, jellal farted, that is above smashing deus sema
i will wait, you can wank
so basically eilene is less weak to ds than selene?
not when erza was smashing deus sema.
what.
your claim are going more into retardation
eileen story was that to fight dragons, they needed dragon magic. otherwise they cant hurt them. eileen destroyed her life for it.
nothing in this suggests, that eileen is weak to ds. she is not resistant to it, unlike normal magic, just like dragons. that is all.
Sure, Erza can do things that Gildarts can't. She can requip for example, that's her magic. Just like Natsu's magic is flame of emotion.
Except Deus Sema is literally featless as is Eileen's durability. You rank her tough because you want to rank Erza tough. You rank August weak because you don't want Gildarts to be as powerful. In short, you're a hypocrite.
Literally just restating the manga.
Dunno, depends what Selene tanks in the future. Can't imagine she can do much worse though lmao.
No, her story was that Dragons were too powerful, not that they couldn't hurt them without DS. The gap between them and humans was enormous, just like the gap between Mard and Tartaros Gray was enormous. Just like the gap between Eileen and Erza is enormous, Mashima makes this plainly obvious and we both know it.
