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[kkck]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Utter BS. If they think Netero is enough then they believed Netero is the still the strongest combatant they have. Read the whole arc carefully. Just because someone did a heroic sacrifice doesn't mean he wasn't the strongest.

They clearly didn't think netero was enough since they implanted a powerful bomb to his heart right? Would they sacrifice the strongest? As for whether netero was the strongest, I kinda have my doubts. Netero was the president so I would think he was the best they could get at the moment. Also, there is no guarantee other hunters would even accept the mission nor that they would be able to get a hold of them. Take gin, even after relentless hunting his son cannot get a hold of him nor even a shred of a clue about his whereabouts. Also, choosing netero does not necessarily mean he was the strongest -it does speak for him though-.

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

They clearly didn't think netero was enough since they implanted a powerful bomb to his heart right? Would they sacrifice the strongest?

It was Netero's plan. When Caruto told him even the Royal Guards are stronger than he is he made sure he'd be able to take out the King. Besides, the Hunter Association WILL sacrifice their strongest - it's politics. The board members want to be in control, because they always get shunted by the president's decisions. That's why Netero's popularity has been declining as the election day drew near.

 

[gehad]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

It was Netero's plan. When Caruto told him even the Royal Guards are stronger than he is he made sure he'd be able to take out the King. Besides, the Hunter Association WILL sacrifice their strongest - it's politics. The board members want to be in control, because they always get shunted by the president's decisions. That's why Netero's popularity has been declining as the election day drew near.

Yeah the bomb was Netero's plan , but it was discussed between Novu & Morau once that the hunter committee wanted to get rid of Netero anyway & that they want a new president & stuff like that so they hired him on that mission . Netero is strong , but he isn't the strongest out there , not now at least & about him being enough , the ants were severely underestimated from the beginning , ever since Kaito died & they took them lightly so knowing that Netero was enough or not wasn't even possible at that time .

 

[EbaForeva]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Geez, you guys took what Netero said seriously. Do you think he'd be elected chairman for the past few decades if he isn't hellish strong? He was playing humble when he said he's past his prime, and there are alot of people who's stronger than he is. Because if that is true, why didn't he take them to East Goruto?

Firstly, there's no detail in the manga that states that to become and be reelected as the chairman of the Hunter Association a person needs to be the strongest Nen user. When Netero was first chosen as the head of the HA being the strongest might have been a requirement, but later on, it must have been his achievements and influence on other hunters that were the determinants.

Secondly, it was said in the manga that some fellows in the Board of the HA disliked Netero and didn't want him to be accompanied by all the hunters he recommended in the extermination mission.

Thirdly, it's very hard to find the whereabouts of the very best Nen users like Gon's father.

Fourthly, whether he was just acting modest saying that he was no longer the best we don't know, but unless it's said otherwise, that sentence of his is the only legit evidence to judge his power in comparison to other human Nen users'. Everything else is just speculation.

Another thing , it was mentioned that Zeno & Silva could stand a chance against the king . I don't think so , Zeno's ability isn't as fast as Netero's also Silva's ability seems to be launching a nen blast or something which won't be that effective at all to the king & in terms of normal strength they don't stand a chance either . If a 3rd nen user could be with them it could make a huge difference though !

I tried to but couldn't find anything in the manga that referred to how Zeno and Silva would fare against the King.

 

[Raad]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Netero is obviously not the strongest out there. Among the Zaoldyeck I think at least Silva could be stronger than him, remember that age plays a role and Silva is still at him prime, remember also how he finished Zitoh, he made a huge hole without any effort (at least apparently!).
About Gin I'm personally tired of hearing about him rescuing the team and the reasons are pretty clear i think...
PS: Looks like nexgear's geeks are gathering again!

 

[BurnSchulz]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Geez, you guys took what Netero said seriously. Do you think he'd be elected chairman for the past few decades if he isn't hellish strong? He was playing humble when he said he's past his prime, and there are alot of people who's stronger than he is. Because if that is true, why didn't he take them to East Goruto?

Because their unreachable, like Gin for Example?


And Netero only said Gin was one of the 5 greatest Nen-Experts in the World. For me that doesnt automaticly mean that he is one of the 5 strongest, but one of the 5 Persons with great and perfectly developed techniques.
We didnt even know what this technique is good for, it doesnt even automaticly be usefull for fights.
Remember Gin was one of the Designers of Greed Island, and i personally dont belive that a strong fighting technique alone is enough to do that.
Well ok there were more persons who build greed island, but dont expect too much from Gin and especially his fighting power.
I believe that he is strong, but i wont believe that his nen-technique is for fighting, and killing, only.
Because he is a professional Hunter who loves the animals and who wants to keep nature alive, not to destroy it.
And if i were about to keep something, i wouldnt even develop a technique which is suitable only for destruction.


Get what i mean?

Neteros Technique was a fighting Class technique, and this fits totally to his personality. He trained his fighting power for years, and mastered unbelievable powers.
Even if he was old, and his good times were most likely over for years, his technique was for fighting enemies.

So to beat the King there were 3 possibilities only.
1. A technique or fighting strengh wich is greater as neteros and wich will destroy the king. - Very unlikely (for me)
2. A technique wich is tricky with tricky rules what will let the King in a big disadvantage (Like Hakoware) - wich is very likely i think, because Hunter X Hunter isnt Dragonball Z so it doenst only have to be Stronger Faster Better to win aggainst strong enemies.

3. And the third one is, that the king will defeat himself. This point is hard to explain, but think about all of the kings psychologic developments, expecially with kumogi. Maybe his memory comes back and somehow he cant take it...
Even if i am unable to explain what exactly i mean, because i cant find a suitable example, this point is not that unlikely to me. All his developments cant turn into nothing just because his memorys left (for now)...
So we must focus on how this will develop from now on.

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

What I don't understand is this: How come most of you are fixated with Ging as the best hunter alive?

Remember Gin was one of the Designers of Greed Island, and i personally dont belive that a strong fighting technique alone is enough to do that.

I have to agree with you there. But to have mastery over nen makes it applicable to anything you can think of - Take Razor for example. He was a convicted murderer, clearly powerful enough to become a one-man team, feared by the Ryodan, yet he can use his nen as a method of transport for the G.I. game.

Netero is obviously not the strongest out there. Among the Zaoldyeck I think at least Silva could be stronger than him, remember that age plays a role and Silva is still at him prime, remember also how he finished Zitoh, he made a huge hole without any effort (at least apparently!).

Impossible. The Zaoldyeck knows their limits, and in that capacity Silva resides. That is why Silva allowed Killua to travel with Gon, because he knew Killua will become the strongest person the clan has ever had. And don't forget, the room in which Novu sends captured ants at the beginning of the extermination arc - remember Netero wasn't even using nen then.

What can that mean? It may mean Netero has fully mastered all aspects of his abilities, his Hyakku Kannon the very embodiment of the school he teaches, attacking at faster than the speed of sound, hitting with such power, even the Zero merits attention - he channeled his very life force into the attack.

That is the strength of the strongest man who lived. Anyways his time was over, and his successors have made a good contingency plan - since they didn't put Netero above winning, they now have the card which matters most - even if they know it or not.

 

[brigid001]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

hey guys. i've been lurking around on these forums for a bit but never actually posted anything lol i enjoy reading all the interesting discusions. well i'd just like to say i recently just got back into hxh. i watched the anime a long time ago and loved it. i knew the manga was ongoing but i heard it had a lot of hiatuses so i postponed it for awhile. but i'm glad i picked it back up. i've actually quite enjoyed the chimera ant arc and i look forward to every chapter only some other 2 shounen manga which i won't get into but i really love this manga and i hope to have some great discussions. oh yea what did u guys all think of the hxh anime? i thought it was pretty awesome and i hope another ova is made for this arc in the future. it seems both togash's works got awesome anime adaptions

 

[IamJacky]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

why do you guys keep arguing who is stronger or who MAY be stronger? The fact is that no matter how strong a human nen user is, he's not going to beat the King period.

and for the sake of the argument, Netero is by far the strongest human we've seen in action, to argue that there is someone out there stronger than him is pointless, because the King owned Netero, and I doubt any other Nen user will own Netero like the King did, to say that there's someone stronger out there is pretty much turning this series into Dragon Ballz or Naruto - enemy strong, main character trains and become stronger, and then stronger enemy shows, blah blah blah.

And there probably won't be another bomb killing the King; for those of you who say: "how about a specialty nen like Hakoware or Kurapika's chain? that might beat King." - I don't think so, before Hakoware renders the King bankrupt, which may take a couple of days, the King has already wiped out the whole crew; Kurapika's chain will not capture the King EVEN if the chain was designed for the King because the guy is way too powerful physically. EVEN if it worked, it'd be lame, because then Netero's death would not be justified, why 1v1 when there was a better tactic?

And then to argue about Netero being one of the top five, even if it matters, Netero is clearly stronger than the Spiders and Killua's family; maybe not Killua's father, and that's only because we don't really know just how strong he is, but Killua's dad and Netero are are very much likely equal in power. (whatever you say, Killua's dad ain't gonna own Netero like the King did.)

Age? who cares? did you see what Netero did? even with his limbs torn off he still put up the fight, such a badass - why would Togashi do that if Netero wasn't one of the strongest? why woudln't Zero work on King? because Togashi wants to tell us, that human can NOT beat the King, he is the pinnacle of life as he said it, if Netero wasn't one of the strongest human alive, then Togashi wouldn't put that much emphasis on Netero would he?

Not that I think anyone will show up, but even if someone does show up, what they can do BEST is retreat. So how do you end this Arc? What happens if the bad guy can't be beat? well that is the genius of this arc, In my opinion, the only logical story line that follows to the end of this arc lies in KOMUGI and the King himself, with some twist with Pufu that we currently see.

 

[Host Samurai]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

well that is the genius of this arc, In my opinion, the only logical story line that follows to the end of this arc lies in KOMUGI and the King himself, with some twist with Pufu that we currently see.

I think Pufu is probably out of the three Royal Guards the first, who's going to die soon. http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/301-77/7
The only way how the Hunters can defeat the King lies in Meleoron's God's Accomplice ability in order to catch him off guard and kill him at the same time.

 

[kkck]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

And there probably won't be another bomb killing the King; for those of you who say: "how about a specialty nen like Hakoware or Kurapika's chain? that might beat King." - I don't think so, before Hakoware renders the King bankrupt, which may take a couple of days, the King has already wiped out the whole crew; Kurapika's chain will not capture the King EVEN if the chain was designed for the King because the guy is way too powerful physically. EVEN if it worked, it'd be lame, because then Netero's death would not be justified, why 1v1 when there was a better tactic?

At least about the hakoware part you are severely mistaken, it would not take anywhere near to days. It would not even come close to 6 hours. It kinda depends on a bunch of things though. If hakoware starts with 200-500 then it would take between 2 and 3 hours for the king to go bankrupt -made the calculations assuming the king has 2000000 worth of nen(I would think he is nowhere near that though)-. Of course knuckle and co surviving that time against the king is severely unlikely and borderline impossible. Still, if they manage to device some sort of strategy there is an infinitely small possibility they would pull it off. It's a shame knuckle didn't get hakoware on the king before his fight with netero. In that scenario the hundreds of thousands of hits the king took would have forced the king bankrupt easily. Of course knuckle would have had to be close to the king for that to work but still...

 

[EbaForeva]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

We can be sure that there's absolutely no way for the remaining good guys in the palace to beat the King. I think they'll have to use Komugi to buy some time then retreat and come back w/ reinforcements to fight him. The King's Nen level must be huge by now, 2,000,000 Hakoware points shouldn't be too farfetched considering Yupi alone had 400,000 points, but if the humankind can form a team of Nen users w/ sick specialized spell-type Nen abilities, which are not necessarily purely meant for combat, like enhancing the effectiveness of other Nen abilities by 20% or something like that, I think they will be able to take down the King.

 

[Dive]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Kurapika's chain will not capture the King EVEN if the chain was designed for the King because the guy is way too powerful physically.

The chain can only break through brute force, since once it's wrapped around the opponent, it turns them into Zetsu state, so no Nen can be used to enhance strength. And I doubt in terms of physical strength, the King could break it. Uvo was the strongest in terms of physical strength within the Spiders, and he couldn't break it. Only person I could see actually breaking it would be someone like Razor.

 

[IamJacky]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

At least about the hakoware part you are severely mistaken, it would not take anywhere near to days. It would not even come close to 6 hours. It kinda depends on a bunch of things though. If hakoware starts with 200-500 then it would take between 2 and 3 hours for the king to go bankrupt -made the calculations assuming the king has 2000000 worth of nen(I would think he is nowhere near that though)-. Of course knuckle and co surviving that time against the king is severely unlikely and borderline impossible. Still, if they manage to device some sort of strategy there is an infinitely small possibility they would pull it off.

Yes you are right, I didn't really calculate, but at any rate, like you said, it is very, very unlikely that the remaining good guys will survive until the King goes bankrupt.

How many hits does it take for the King to kill/disable one good guy? One; how many good guys can really dodge/block the King's blow? Judging from the fight with King vs Netero....None. Maybe Killua with his lightening technique or God's Accomplice they can evade it, but then Yupi is aware of God's Accomplice ability AND he's also aware of Hakoware, he may not know what that is exactly, but at the very least he knows Knuckle is the owner of that technique, and this information given to the King may be vital to the good guys, IF they decide to fight the King.

It's a shame knuckle didn't get hakoware on the king before his fight with netero. In that scenario the hundreds of thousands of hits the king took would have forced the king bankrupt easily. Of course knuckle would have had to be close to the king for that to work but still...

That's true, but then it'd be a very, very different scenario - I think King would act differently if something hit him out of no where and Potclean shows up with some numbers on the head.

The chain can only break through brute force, since once it's wrapped around the opponent, it turns them into Zetsu state, so no Nen can be used to enhance strength. And I doubt in terms of physical strength, the King could break it. Uvo was the strongest in terms of physical strength within the Spiders, and he couldn't break it. Only person I could see actually breaking it would be someone like Razor.

Yes and that is exactly my point, I believe the King CAN break the chain with his brute force, even if Kurapika's chain is designed for the King. I don't know about Razor breaking it, but I disagree with the Razor > King (physical strength) thing, I mean, picture this, the King vs. Razor in arm wrestling, no nen allowed, what's going to happen?

I have no proof that in the following images the King wasn't using Nen, but judging from the looks, it sure looked like he was using solely physical strength:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/04/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/05/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/10/

 

[Wowzers]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Just one little (additional) problem with using Hakoware on the king... Don't you have to do at least some damage to the king for him to start to borrow... otherwise the interest calculation won't start. I don't think there is anyone there who could do damage to him. Netero went all out and did so little damage (lets ignore the nuke), I find it hard to believe any of the remaining team could do anything to him.

 

[hunter71485]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Hey I got a question (which apparently nobody has noticed):

How come Pufu and Meruem saw Hakoware when Knuckles used it in conjunction with God's Accomplice? Does it not work on doubles?

 

[IamJacky]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Hey I got a question (which apparently nobody has noticed):

How come Pufu and Meruem saw Hakoware when Knuckles used it in conjunction with God's Accomplice? Does it not work on doubles?

That's a good point; I think either that or God's Accomplice is released.

Just one little (additional) problem with using Hakoware on the king... Don't you have to do at least some damage to the king for him to start to borrow... otherwise the interest calculation won't start. I don't think there is anyone there who could do damage to him. Netero went all out and did so little damage (lets ignore the nuke), I find it hard to believe any of the remaining team could do anything to him.

You don't really need to do damage to initiate Hakoware, because Knuckle is really "lending" the amount of Nen to the opponent; as long as the Nen is not returned to Knuckle, the interest accumulates.

 

[EbaForeva]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I have no proof that in the following images the King wasn't using Nen, but judging from the looks, it sure looked like he was using solely physical strength:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/04/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/05/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/10/

The King likely knew how to use Nen at the very moment he was born, he's like a Nen being:
http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/214/06/
Another circumstantial evidence is that in an earlier chapter Pitou showed that he could use Nen right after hatching out, even before knowing what it was. The King is the supreme being in the Ants' hierachy, so there's no reason he should have been slower than Pitou when it comes to utilizing Nen.
This's not to say that without Nen he's physically weaker than Razor. There's no direct evidence regarding the King's physicality but if lowly ants could crush huge trees w/o using Nen, the King should still be considered a monster even if he's forced into a Zetsu condition.

 

[gehad]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Oh well , using Hakoware would be a smart move , but 2 to 3 hours if not more than that is more than plenty of time for the king to wipe 15 hunters at their level . Don't forget that all of the fighting that occurred roughly took an hour , I don't think that anyone would survive for 3 hours when the king is around . Another point is , even if the king's nen is sealed so WHAT , its not like we've seen him use a nen ability or something , with his strength & his rough body for defense i guess that non of the hunters of the team using nen would be able to par with him . He's a bit overpowered & that's what i hate about him so the solution to all this mess will be something unpredictable .

 

[BurnSchulz]

Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

We can be sure that there's absolutely no way for the remaining good guys in the palace to beat the King. I think they'll have to use Komugi to buy some time then retreat and come back w/ reinforcements to fight him. The King's Nen level must be huge by now, 2,000,000 Hakoware points shouldn't be too farfetched considering Yupi alone had 400,000 points, but if the humankind can form a team of Nen users w/ sick specialized spell-type Nen abilities, which are not necessarily purely meant for combat, like enhancing the effectiveness of other Nen abilities by 20% or something like that, I think they will be able to take down the King.

In My opinion Nen-Level-discussions are worse than the "Powerlevel" discussions about Dragonball Z long time ago...

It does not matter if Goku had a powerlevel of 4.000.000 or 10.000.000 in Super Sayajin State vs. Freezer or not...
And in Hunter X Hunter the ammount of Nen-Level or Hakoware-Points will never be a reason to win against the King...

You know why?

Because Hunter X Hunter is better than just "Be more powerfull than your enemy to defeat".
Hunter X Hunter shows ways to be able to change people or use tricky techniques that can bring huge advantages over enemies.

Or sometimes its just a matter of Strategie, not power alone..

For Example:

Gon won against Genrusu, even if gensuru was far Stronger and an High Class Nen-Specialist, Gon won because they had a well thought Strategie, that no powerlevel or "Nen-level" contest can compare with.

And even if the King is the strongest one in HxH World now, there will be People, a team, with a perfect strategie to win against.

Hunter X Hunter is better than just a Contest about power, and THAT is the reason i like it so much.
Hunter X Hunter is more like a Contest about "Who is smarter" or "who has the better technique/strategy" AND dont underestimate the role of the psychic state of people.

In my eyes the Psychic state of the King is crumbeled, it has obviously something to do with his memories. Im looking forward to see what will happen after he see komugi again, that will be for sure the Key to be succsessfull over the king!






I hope this post will not be erased this time, even if my english is obviously not perfect ...