If Luffy will use weapon in future... What it will be???

[Deo_df]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

I can see Luffys need for a weapon, however his df ability seems to conflict with the use of a sword or even a type of spear. He seems to fluid, perhaps a chain based weapon that can change shape as Luffy does? I'm not really sure of the chain based weapon types but they seem to suit the crazy rubber man in my opinion

 

[Schabrak]

repetition - weapon

The vicious circle of the forum is showing up again. Exactly same topic with same arguments just a couple of pages later. :P

Luffy needed a spear staff when he was young and couldn't use his powers to defeat monster and animals. We already had a discussion about him using a pirving weapon and I will repeat my opinion. It would be to brutal and a staff would may be a homage to Son Goku/Dragonball, but wouldn't make any sense, as he's already got the power to stretch within him. :P

The pipe he used as a kid should be enough homage to DB and Oda shouldn't exaggerate it any more. And there is no way for Luffy ever using a sword for real fighting, since even within Shanks Top3 nobody but himself was shown to use a sword. Swordmanship is such a defined fighting style, with both Zoro and Brook using it, there shouldn't be a third crew member doing it too.

 

[vpyr]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

I can see Luffys need for a weapon, however his df ability seems to conflict with the use of a sword or even a type of spear. He seems to fluid, perhaps a chain based weapon that can change shape as Luffy does? I'm not really sure of the chain based weapon types but they seem to suit the crazy rubber man in my opinion

Would be an option. Maybe just some chains? sometimes used like a whip, other times just wrapped around his hands for brute strenght?
Maybe he will gain a rubber-spear^^ or like in hxh or naruto he can form a blade tip out of haki at his hands

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

Everyone seems to be missing my point. The whole point of the weapon. Is to fight when his Devils fruit ability is 'Sealed'. I'm not combining his Gomu Gomu/Gears with a weapon. I'm simply saying he needs a way to fight without his devils fruit power. The ability to 'seal' DF powers i doubt is going to belong solely to whitebeard I predict more opponents with similar capabilities 'Seal of DF' users.
I predict that there will be a:
A Martial Art, DF Power and Haki ability all centered around 'Sealing' DF Powers. Its been one of the complaints Oda has been constant with throughout the series. DF Users are weak without their powers.

 

[fistsofrage]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

Well the weapon that suits luffy the best is definitely a spear. It would go well with his gomu gomu gatling, and other techniques.

 

[Schabrak]

Haki usage ~ fighting strength

Once again, why would Oda let Luffy use a pircing weapon?

And most of the strong DF users are also strong without using them/themself. E.g. Brook can't even use his DF, as it's already used, Boa is powerful without using it, Kuma is, the admirals can take punches too, Croco seems to be the only odd one in the collection of NW pirates looking weak without his powers. It's not like the DF attacks are getting weaker against haki, they can just be stopped through COA and only to such extreme cases like with Sentoumaru, when he is in full control of it. He's a highly graded guardian within the Navy/WG.

Luffy learning haki removes the need to use external weapons, as he will be able to counter other haki users with COA to fight normally and should be able to fight "that" DF even without full control of his powers. It may help him being able to use it even though he is facing the shadow fruit, who knows. He is definitely strong even without his powers like Ace was, having trained his body all his life, like Lucci or his brothers have.

Which martial art is sealing DF powers? Fishmen Karate is without a doubt an effective combat technique, but only really sealing when in combination with water. Not even COA is sealing, it just enables the users to touch them like solid objects or stopping them like a fortress/shield.

 

[GoE]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

if luffy have to use some kind of weapon, i think it will be like spike gloves with rubber base that can stretch if he use gear 3.

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

Think of luffy's Fighting Style. All his attacks are base around Gomu Gomu. Even if he once trained as a kid in regular fighting it has been years since he would have needed to. Secondly without 'Gears' which would come from the negation of his rubber power he would be in serious trouble vs someone who could Negate DF powers. And I wouldn't put it past the WG to create things that do just that. I'm not saying what his weapon will be I'm just saying that he will need some other way to fight in the event his DF ability is sealed.
These are a few possible options.
Knuckles
Knives
Staff
Spear/Naganata
Sword
Chain/Flail/Rope weapons.

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Once again, why would Oda let Luffy use a pircing weapon?

And most of the strong DF users are also strong without using them/themself. E.g. Brook can't even use his DF, as it's already used, Boa is powerful without using it, Kuma is, the admirals can take punches too, Croco seems to be the only odd one in the collection of NW pirates looking weak without his powers. It's not like the DF attacks are getting weaker against haki, they can just be stopped through COA and only to such extreme cases like with Sentoumaru, when he is in full control of it. He's a highly graded guardian within the Navy/WG.

Luffy learning haki removes the need to use external weapons, as he will be able to counter other haki users with COA to fight normally and should be able to fight "that" DF even without full control of his powers. It may help him being able to use it even though he is facing the shadow fruit, who knows. He is definitely strong even without his powers like Ace was, having trained his body all his life, like Lucci or his brothers have.

Which martial art is sealing DF powers? Fishmen Karate is without a doubt an effective combat technique, but only really sealing when in combination with water. Not even COA is sealing, it just enables the users to touch them like solid objects or stopping them like a fortress/shield.

-Peoples Prejudice against a 'piercing weapon' is foolish first of all even Zoro who uses three swords and a 'killing' style hardly every kills anyone.
Edit Added this last bit:
I see no reason for Oda to rule out Luffy using a a 'piercing weapon'. After all tons of Oda's cover pages have Luffy wearing/holding a sword so Oda has definately thought about it. A Knuckle as a weapon seems very anti-climactic, firstly it does nothing for range and they only way a Knuckle Weapon would be useful is pared with his Gomu Gomu ability. A Staff although plausible seems unlikely to me for a few reasons. One Nami uses a staff and it would seem kind of inappropriate to give Luffy the same weapon as a girl not to mention one of the weakest members of his crew. Secondly the symbolism King and swords have gone hand in hand in history since forever. People seem to see Luffy using his Gomu Gomu fruit in comparison with his weapon. I see him pulling out said weapon only when his ability fails/is rendered useless.
- I'm not saying there is currently a style that Seals DF users, but I'm saying its well within the realm of possibilities because Oda's 'Sea Stone' negates peoples powers. And Blackbeards 'Darkness/Gravity' Negates peoples powers/sucks them from the body of the user. Haki can hurt people w/ DF abilities but what is to stop someone from projecting 'Haki' to negate DF abilities? If haki can be used to make Logia tangible it is also reasonable to assume that someone skilled enough in Haki could project it to seal the DF abilities.

 

[jacek185]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

i think luffy will use a sword just like shanks i think in the end of one piece luffy will fight with coby and coby will also learn to use a sword now coby and luffy fight with their fists so why not at the end fight with swords ? that is possible and now he is training with Silvers Rayleigh and he is using a sword ;] so he can learn from him that too

 

[Schabrak]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

Well yes, you stated there being a martial art sealing DF, it's up there on this page. :] Think of those few situations Luffy would actually encounter such enemies. The Boa sisters existence is a fact showing, that power and haki can overcome other people using COA haki themself, so there is no need to use a weapon.
There is just no way, that Luffy will ever use a weapon to such a degree that he would be able fight against experienced and skilled combatants in the next couple of weeks after leaving the remote island. Firstly he has no reason to use a sword in those two years to train. Secondly swordmanship is like a religion to real swordman like Zoro. It's like spitting on his whole life as one, if Luffy were just to use one in those 1% of fights he would not be able to use one. Just as it would downgrade every ability from all the mugiwaras. What do you think that whole 2 years training session and the last couple of chapters[those words from the strawhats] were implying? Zorro and the rest of the Nakama will stand in front of him and help him in that certain situation. It seem to me that you didn't understand the last chapters imo.

About Roger using a weapon. Well he seemed to be an all-around fighter, not prefering much, as he had both on this belt, just as Blackbeard is, who still mostly uses his fist/DF combo.

 

[johnnyb7]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

If Luffy uses a weapon it'll be a staff in my opinion. I can't see him using any kind of sharp weapon, he just seems to be more of a straight up ass kicking character haha.

 

[damane08]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

I personally don't think that Luffy needs any kind of weapons... ever.

The way that Luffy fights demands that he has the use of both hands, giving him any kind of weapon will not improve his fighting style.... it'll completely change it.
He most certainly doesn't need a weapon to deal with logias, he needs to learn how to control COA haki.
Instead of training with a weapon I'm thinking that he should probably spend all that time strengthening his COA haki... it seems more important to me, considering that the two years that they are taking to train isn't even enough time to properly master haki and to be honest you don't just take up a weapon and think that you're gonna be any good with it, learning how to use it well takes time.

Marco and Joz are two guys who did extremely well against the admirals and they didn't use weapons and we can't forget Garp, who is living proof that you don't need any kind of weapon to go against logias.... you need really strong COA haki.

Luffy should remain weaponless.... anything else will take away some of the appeal from his fighting style imo. but that's my opinion and how i see things.

 

[fistsofrage]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

The reason why I believe Luffy needs a weapon is because i don't want him to become another Garp of the fists, i want him to exceed Garp and surprise him. If Luffy wants to fight Shanks, he'll need a weapon, and since Raleigh has a sword, I wouldn't be surprised if he trains luffy in weapon combat. Don't forget the scar Blackbeard gave Shanks, which means not only does he have destructive hand-to-hand combat skills, but blackbeard also has a weapon of some sort that we have yet to see.

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

@Schabrak & XxDrEvilxX
I think people misunderstand weapons in general. Learning a weapon does take years if you start from scratch. Building the desired 'reflex' speed, battle experience and strength required to wield a weapon properly takes time.
However in Luffy's case he already has the battle reflexes, experience and strength. Most martial arts that incorporate weapons into their teachings teach them only after the student has shown himself worthy in hand-to-hand combat. Not to mention that Luffy/Zoro learned the cp9 skills after a single encounter with them. A skill that took them years to master Luffy and Zoro master in the few hours between their first encounter and their second.
All things considered I don't think it is a giant leap for Luffy to pick up the basics of fighting with a weapon and develop it along with his other skills. Luffy, although it isn't widely thought of in the OP world, is a prodigy in the fact that he can learn and adapt battle tactics. He has fought along side Zoro who is arguably one of the futures most powerful swordsman. If he chooses to learn a weapon I doubt he will have much trouble doing so.

 

[Lord.Strife]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

Luffy should have not a weapon but some hand and wrist armour the the form of some glove. that way he can block with COA and armour and still retain his own fightin style.

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

Luffy should have not a weapon but some hand and wrist armour the the form of some glove. that way he can block with COA and armour and still retain his own fightin style.

The whole point of him having a weapon is so he can still fight if his fighting style is sealed. Combining a Weapon with his current fighting style is not really an option and will be very anti-climactic. And this weapon will go with him wherever he goes but its not like he is going to be pulling it out during every fight. Primarily is fighting style will stay the same as it was before with the addition of Haki and whatever other abilities he develops. The weapon will be mostly decoration until his 'Gomu Gomu' ability is sealed.

 

[Schabrak]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

You ignored some part of my post. How would it look like if Luffy were able to fight strong opponents, stronger than Zoro in his case, without the proper training like Zorro had. Swordmanship in this case is not just swinging your sword with strength or reflexes, it's an art for Zorro that he trained all his life, he's using techniques that he trains every day of his life. Luffy just should not be able to beat somebody on his level with a sword, if it takes Zorro more than a minute to win over some of his caliber. If you say, that he's not as strong without his DF powers, he should not be as agile too, as his whole fighting style is based on his rubber body.

Luffy is only able to use a soru-like move in 2. Gear state, not soru itself, as he's not able to stay in the air.

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

I didn't specify 'sword' Actually ive been thinking a staff would probably be best. Staff is the simplest weapon to understand and use in martial arts but it is far from the weakest. If the staff was flexible it would give Luffy a simile of his power and be easier for him to comprehend. A Staff or a Spear. Wouldn't offend any of his crew or make their abilities seem less potent seeing as Nami uses her staff to control weather more than to fight. And staffs and spears have similar basics behind their attacks. So it could be either or.
Not to mention you see him using a 'pipe' in the flash backs.

 

[Zoro #1]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

I didn't specify 'sword' Actually ive been thinking a staff would probably be best. Staff is the simplest weapon to understand and use in martial arts but it is far from the weakest. If the staff was flexible it would give Luffy a simile of his power and be easier for him to comprehend. A Staff or a Spear. Wouldn't offend any of his crew or make their abilities seem less potent seeing as Nami uses her staff to control weather more than to fight. And staffs and spears have similar basics behind their attacks. So it could be either or.
Not to mention you see him using a 'pipe' in the flash backs.

Yeah agree that it should be just a simple staff. Though it not as much of weapon as a sword or a spear or gun it still packs a punch if a person wielding it knows how to use it correctly.

 

[elitefox]

Re: One Piece 597 Discussion / 598 Prediction Thread

I personally don't think that Luffy needs any kind of weapons... ever.

The way that Luffy fights demands that he has the use of both hands, giving him any kind of weapon will not improve his fighting style.... it'll completely change it.
He most certainly doesn't need a weapon to deal with logias, he needs to learn how to control COA haki.
Instead of training with a weapon I'm thinking that he should probably spend all that time strengthening his COA haki... it seems more important to me, considering that the two years that they are taking to train isn't even enough time to properly master haki and to be honest you don't just take up a weapon and think that you're gonna be any good with it, learning how to use it well takes time.

Marco and Joz are two guys who did extremely well against the admirals and they didn't use weapons and we can't forget Garp, who is living proof that you don't need any kind of weapon to go against logias.... you need really strong COA haki.

Luffy should remain weaponless.... anything else will take away some of the appeal from his fighting style imo. but that's my opinion and how i see things.

lol he shoots stronger than canons lol

I wonder if he incorporates haki with it, maybe not because luffy and crew can stop it